My oil heater starts but dont stay on & my green light keeps flashing. It's set to reach a certain temperature & once it below that temperature the heater is suppose to reach that set temperature but it starts up &goes out after a few seconds.

wrote in
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My oil heater starts but dont stay on & my green light keeps
flashing. It's set to reach a certain temperature & once it
below that temperature the heater is suppose to reach that set
temperature but it starts up &goes out after a few seconds.


Check to make sure the flue isn't blocked. This was the cause of my furnace shutting down a
few years ago:
http://milmac.com/BlockedFlue.jpg

On 12/23/2014 05:26 AM, wrote:
My oil heater starts but dont stay on & my green light keeps flashing. It's set to reach a certain temperature & once it below that temperature the heater is suppose to reach that set temperature but it starts up &goes out after a few seconds.





First thing to do is replace the ceramic insulators, they can develop
small cracks.

If that does not clear things up, your transformer is probably bad

philo wrote:
On 12/23/2014 05:26 AM, wrote:
My oil heater starts but dont stay on & my green light keeps
flashing. It's set to reach a certain temperature & once it below
that temperature the heater is suppose to reach that set temperature
but it starts up &goes out after a few seconds.




First thing to do is replace the ceramic insulators, they can develop
small cracks.

If that does not clear things up, your transformer is probably bad

I'd think if the transformer was bad it wouldn't light at all . Sounds
more like a malf in the flame sensor circuitry to me .

--
Snag

On Tue, 23 Dec 2014 09:36:44 -0600, "Terry Coombs"
wrote:

philo wrote:
On 12/23/2014 05:26 AM, wrote:
My oil heater starts but dont stay on & my green light keeps
flashing. It's set to reach a certain temperature & once it below
that temperature the heater is suppose to reach that set temperature
but it starts up &goes out after a few seconds.




First thing to do is replace the ceramic insulators, they can develop
small cracks.

If that does not clear things up, your transformer is probably bad

I'd think if the transformer was bad it wouldn't light at all . Sounds
more like a malf in the flame sensor circuitry to me .

I agree with this. The transformer should be fine since it does light.
The flame sensor has an element which is a photo-cell. If it sees light
(from the flame), it keeps burning. Those photo-cells can get filthy
from soot and crud. They need to be cleaned. Or the photo-cell or
another part of the flame sensor could be bad.

You could also be starving for fuel, if the inline oil filter is partly
clogged. When was that last changed?

I had an oil furnace in the past, and was glad to get rid of it. They
are always a struggle to keep working. If you're handy, pull the burner
out of the furnace and clean the sensor. Otherwise you may need to call
a professional. Oil furnaces are tough for the average home owner to
repair.

The oil filter change should be done yearly, so I'd do that either way,
if it has not been done in awhile.

One other thing, a pro will automatically change the nozzle. The spray
pattern has a lot of effect on how it burns. So, if you pull the burner
out, change the nozzle. You MUST use the correct one. They are rated
by the amount of oil used. (My old furnace was .75), and they are also
rated to the spray angle/pattern. Just match the numbers on the new one
to the old one.

On 12/23/2014 09:36 AM, Terry Coombs wrote:
philo wrote:
On 12/23/2014 05:26 AM, wrote:
My oil heater starts but dont stay on & my green light keeps
flashing. It's set to reach a certain temperature & once it below
that temperature the heater is suppose to reach that set temperature
but it starts up &goes out after a few seconds.




First thing to do is replace the ceramic insulators, they can develop
small cracks.

If that does not clear things up, your transformer is probably bad

I'd think if the transformer was bad it wouldn't light at all . Sounds
more like a malf in the flame sensor circuitry to me .




I'd say the more likely problem is the electrode insulators or possibly
just a dirty flame sensor.

Yes. Not likely the transformer is bad but a small possibility of a
broken/intermittent internal connection

On Tue, 23 Dec 2014 03:26:00 -0800 (PST), wrote:

My oil heater starts but dont stay on & my green light keeps flashing. It's set to reach a certain temperature & once it below that temperature the heater is suppose to reach that set temperature but it starts up &goes out after a few seconds.

How many is a few? Time it, at least twice, and tell us how long it
takes to go out each time.

By oil heater, dp you mean a full-size furnace, that heats the whole
house or apartment?

There are a lot of things that can cause your problem.

When is the last time the furnace was serviced? The last time the
nozzle was changed. They don't last more than 2 years and should be
replaced every year. They are only 6 or 8 dollars on-line, inc.
shipping, but make sure you buy the one speiified on the name plate
inside your furnace. And be careful unscrewing that you don't hit and
brake the insultators. A smallish wrench is needed for the inside hex,
like a 6" crescent wrench.

Do you have a round door you can lift up? Get in the habit of using a
long screwdriver, so you won't burn yourself when it's hot, and lift up
the door before it starts. Do you see a flame or the light from a
flame coming from where the flame would be? (not just a little light
from a continous spark) Does the light last the same length of time as
the furnace stays on before it goes out. Please get back to us with
the answer to these questions, yes or no, and we'll give you more
advice.

Do you hear the roar of the fire before it goes off?

Or just the small sound of a spark? Well, the spark you probably can't
hear because the fan and oil pump make more noise that it does.

Does it just try again to start on its own or do you have to push the
red button?

About how old is the furnace?

You can see several wires connected to the control board (in the box
with the red button)? If your furnace is new enough to have a
cadmium light sensor, and only the very old ones don't, you can test the
sensor by disconnecting one of the wires to the control unit, Get back
to me.

You can also test the ignition transformer before you buy a new one.
Unscrew the bolt or whatever is holding it down on a side that does not
have a hinge. Then press the red button to reset it, wait 30 or 50 more
seconds until it tries to start up again, and whenever it tries to start
up again, test the transformer by laying a long screwdriver witha well
insultated handle (and you should touch only the handle--keep your hand
at least 3/4" from the metal shaft) .... Lay the screwdriver on one of
the big contacts that the transformer has and then get the end of the
screwdriver very close to the other one. You should see a contnouse
spark from the other one to the tip of the screwdriver. Pull t he
screwdriver gradually away from the other one and the spark should get
longer, at least a half inch. If it's 1/2 inch or even 1/4 the furnace
should worlk, but the transformer is marginal. Let us know the r esults
if you do the test.

The electrodes might not be adjusted correctly.

The insulators might be giving the spark an easier path than jumping the
gap that ignites the oil but the service men have only replaced my
insultators twice in 30 years, and that might been routine maintenance.
They never came when the furnace was not working. All those times I
fixed it myself.

If you have an oil filter, it might be clogged. It's the size of a
car's oil filter, somewhere on the line between the tank and the
furnace. I don't have one so there is no filter to clog, but aiui the
filter element should be replaced every year, at least every two. If
you replace the filter, you may have to bleed the oil line so many save
the filter for last.

On Tue, 23 Dec 2014 13:26:49 -0600, wrote:

On Tue, 23 Dec 2014 09:36:44 -0600, "Terry Coombs"
wrote:

philo wrote:
On 12/23/2014 05:26 AM, wrote:
My oil heater starts but dont stay on & my green light keeps
flashing. It's set to reach a certain temperature & once it below
that temperature the heater is suppose to reach that set temperature
but it starts up &goes out after a few seconds.




First thing to do is replace the ceramic insulators, they can develop
small cracks.

If that does not clear things up, your transformer is probably bad

I'd think if the transformer was bad it wouldn't light at all . Sounds
more like a malf in the flame sensor circuitry to me .

I agree with this. The transformer should be fine since it does light.

I don't think we know that it lights. It may just stay on until the
usually 45 seccond start-up time expires. "On" meaning the motor runs
and powers the fan and the pump, but we don't know there is a flame.

The flame sensor has an element which is a photo-cell. If it sees light
(from the flame), it keeps burning. Those photo-cells can get filthy
from soot and crud. They need to be cleaned. Or the photo-cell or
another part of the flame sensor could be bad.

You could also be starving for fuel, if the inline oil filter is partly
clogged. When was that last changed?

I had an oil furnace in the past, and was glad to get rid of it. They
are always a struggle to keep working. If you're handy, pull the burner
out of the furnace and clean the sensor.

FTR, the burner is a lot bigger than that. Maybe you mean the nozzle
assembly.

Otherwise you may need to call
a professional. Oil furnaces are tough for the average home owner to
repair.

But if you're going to have one for 7 years or more it can be woth the
effort to learn..

The oil filter change should be done yearly, so I'd do that either way,
if it has not been done in awhile.

One other thing, a pro will automatically change the nozzle. The spray
pattern has a lot of effect on how it burns. So, if you pull the burner
out, change the nozzle. You MUST use the correct one. They are rated
by the amount of oil used. (My old furnace was .75), and they are also
rated to the spray angle/pattern. Just match the numbers on the new one
to the old one.

That should work, but one of the servicemen replaced a nozzle for me
with a different one, hollow instead of solid. Maybe he had the idea
hollow would be better, or maybe he didn't have a solid one in his
toolbox. It did work for at least a year, but maybe not as well as the
right one. It might be better to wipe the dirt off the metal plate
with the model number, etc. That should include the nozzle spec.

On Tue, 23 Dec 2014 03:26:00 -0800 (PST), wrote:

My oil heater starts but dont stay on & my green light keeps flashing. It's set to reach a certain temperature & once it below that temperature the heater is suppose to reach that set temperature but it starts up &goes out after a few seconds.

The best page I've seen online to fix oil furnaces:

http://inspectapedia.com/heat/Oil_Burner_Wont_Run.htm

Very very very very thorough. No use of fancy tools required. Not a
reference to them


If you ever want to do almost complete maintenance, however, you'll have
to get a wet-dry vac that accepts soot filters. For Shop=Vac under its
name or other names, that's everything but the tiny one and what used to
be the smallest one.

For Ridgid, as of a few years ago, they didn't have soot filters by that
name. They have fine dust filters or something like that, but the box
and label made no reference to soot, which I think might be even finer
than "fine".

If you don't use a fine enough filter, It will suck up the soot and blow
it out the other end, all over the room.

But I think there's no chance that's your problem now. When I had too
much soot in my flu, it made CO and set off the CO detector, but the
furnace rand and it made heat. .

On Tue, 23 Dec 2014 23:57:35 -0500, micky
wrote:

On Tue, 23 Dec 2014 03:26:00 -0800 (PST), wrote:

My oil heater starts but dont stay on & my green light keeps flashing. It's set to reach a certain temperature & once it below that temperature the heater is suppose to reach that set temperature but it starts up &goes out after a few seconds.

The best page I've seen online to fix oil furnaces:

http://inspectapedia.com/heat/Oil_Burner_Wont_Run.htm

This is what he says about ignition transformers, a little different
from what I said. Don't forget that this is in the context of having
already deterimined that there is no ignition. Also scroll down to his
list of sub-pages.

"Test the ignition transformer for spark (old timers know a screwdriver
trick; if the flame is blue and reaches mostly across the gap of the
transformer springs with the screwdriver an inch or so away, the
transformer is probably ok.

Watch out: this is very high voltage: you could be shocked or killed -
this old-timer's trick is not officially recommended and our service
tech declined to be photographed performing this step. Other,
recommended oil burner ignition transformer test procedures are provided
by the manufacturer.

If the transformer is weak the spark will be dead, not bridge the gap to
the screwdriver, or not extend to at least 3/4 the width between the
contact springs, or will be orange not blue in color.
If the transformer does not check out, replace it.***
If the transformer looks OK check closely the ignition leads including
for cracked shorting ceramic insulators in the burner assembly or an
improper or improper gap or damaged electrodes. You already looked to be
sure the electrodes were not bridged with soot and crud, right?"


***Back to me. Still if there is a spark not quite this good, the spark
might be good enough and another problem might be the main problem


Very very very very thorough. No use of fancy tools required. Not a
reference to them


If you ever want to do almost complete maintenance, however, you'll have
to get a wet-dry vac that accepts soot filters. For Shop=Vac under its
name or other names, that's everything but the tiny one and what used to
be the smallest one.

For Ridgid, as of a few years ago, they didn't have soot filters by that
name. They have fine dust filters or something like that, but the box
and label made no reference to soot, which I think might be even finer
than "fine".

If you don't use a fine enough filter, It will suck up the soot and blow
it out the other end, all over the room.

But I think there's no chance that's your problem now. When I had too
much soot in my flu, it made CO and set off the CO detector, but the
furnace rand and it made heat. .

On Tue, 23 Dec 2014 23:45:44 -0500, micky
wrote:

I don't think we know that it lights. It may just stay on until the
usually 45 seccond start-up time expires. "On" meaning the motor runs
and powers the fan and the pump, but we don't know there is a flame.


There has to be some sort of "flame door". A little (usually round)
door to open and see the flame. Open that door and watch what happens
as it starts. Do you see a flame?

This is what you need to do first.

Basically you have two things happening in an oil furnace.

The oil comes from the tank, thru a filter, and to a pump in the
furnace. Then it goes to the nozzle and sprays (like a nozzle on a
garden hose) It should be a fine spray.

Next is ignition. The transformer creates the high voltage. The
electrodes and insulators send a high voltage spark across the oil spray
and ignites it.

That's pretty much how they work. If you ever held a cig lighter in the
spray coming out of a can of spray paint, there will be a huge flame.
(I'm not suggesting you do that). But that pretty much sums up how an
oil furnace works.

There is one other system, and that is the circuit board and flame
sensor, which allow it to burn if it sees a flame, or shuts it down if
there is no flame after some seconds. If that was not used, the furnace
would keep pumping unburned oil into the fire pot, and you'd soon have
inches of oil in the fire pot which would eventually run out of the
furnace and make a huge mess, if not cause a house fire.

Since you know th motor runs, you dont have a blown fuse and are you
getting a spark? Is the oil spraying in the firepot? Is the flame
sensor not allowing it to keep running (often due to a dirty sensor.

Again, check for clogged filter, change nozzle, and check for a spark.

So,
1. Check for spark
2. check to see if the oil is getting into the furnace and spraying.
3. Check for a flame sensor problem, which wont allow it to keep running

Just like working on a car. You need ignition and fuel.

Do you know, if you remove the whole burner assembly, short across the
thermostat wires, connect to a fuel oil source, and connect it to an
outlet, you can burn them ouside of the furnace?

DONT DO IT INDOORS.
IN FACT, I DONT SUGGEST DOING IT AT ALL.
(However I have done it outdoors, and know a guy who used to use one of
them to heat metal for forging).

---
Maybe someone else can answer this. The oil furnaces I worked on were
in the 60's thru the 80's. Back then the circuitry was pretty simple.
But I never worked on anything newer. Do the newer oil filters have a
lot of computerized stuff?????

On Tue, 23 Dec 2014 23:45:44 -0500, micky
wrote:


FTR, the burner is a lot bigger than that. Maybe you mean the nozzle
assembly.


You CAN remove the whole burner assembly. There should be 2 to 4 bolts
around the round ring that holds it to the furnace. Remove them, remove
the fuel line (and plug it), remove the AC wiring and the thermostat
wires, The burner assy will pull right out. It's really not that hard
to do.

Before you do all of this, make sure there is oil getting to the fuel
pump. Just loosen the fuel line. Have a jar or can handy and see if
oil flows out of the fuel line...... There should be a bleeder too.
Kind of like the bleeders on car brakes. Use that to see if there is
oil instead of loosening the line.

Of the oil tank was empty. You might just have an air locked line. My
furnace used to do that regularly if i let the tank go empty.
BLEED BLEED BLEED it.....

On Wednesday, December 24, 2014 12:10:23 AM UTC-5, micky wrote:
Anyone notice that while you're all trying to fix the guy's
furnace based on one basically nonsensical sentence, he's gone MIA?
Maybe it's now too cold to type. More likely another troll.

On Wed, 24 Dec 2014 04:42:21 -0800 (PST), trader_4
wrote:

On Wednesday, December 24, 2014 12:10:23 AM UTC-5, micky wrote:
Anyone notice that while you're all trying to fix the guy's
furnace based on one basically nonsensical sentence, he's gone MIA?

His post was vague, but not nonsensical. Lots of people don't fully
explain the situation when they first post.

As to MIA, it's only one day and 7 hours since his first post. Maybe
he worked all day yesterday, shopped after work for hours, and had to go
to work today. Lots of possible reasons why he hasn't posted back.

Or maybe he'll never get back to us because he's rude. Lots of posters
don't bother to post back. Most are not trolls.

Maybe it's now too cold to type. More likely another troll.

Trolls are those who try to rile up the readers. Nothing he said was
like that.

Lots of people go without heat for a while, hoping to fix something
themselves. They use lots of clothes, room heaters, boiling water, and
electric blankets, and if they don't live in northern Minnesota they can
go for a week or longer trying to fix their furnace on their own.

On Wed, 24 Dec 2014 06:31:50 -0600, wrote:

On Tue, 23 Dec 2014 23:45:44 -0500, micky
wrote:

I don't think we know that it lights. It may just stay on until the
usually 45 seccond start-up time expires. "On" meaning the motor runs
and powers the fan and the pump, but we don't know there is a flame.


There has to be some sort of "flame door". A little (usually round)
door to open and see the flame. Open that door and watch what happens
as it starts. Do you see a flame?

This is what you need to do first.

Basically you have two things happening in an oil furnace.

The oil comes from the tank, thru a filter, and to a pump in the
furnace. Then it goes to the nozzle and sprays (like a nozzle on a
garden hose) It should be a fine spray.

Next is ignition. The transformer creates the high voltage. The
electrodes and insulators send a high voltage spark across the oil spray
and ignites it.

That's pretty much how they work. If you ever held a cig lighter in the
spray coming out of a can of spray paint, there will be a huge flame.
(I'm not suggesting you do that).

I did this with an abandoned can of hair spray and a long kitchen match.
once. But I was young and stupid then. I'm not suggesting anyone else
do Iit.

But that pretty much sums up how an
oil furnace works.

There is one other system, and that is the circuit board and flame
sensor, which allow it to burn if it sees a flame, or shuts it down if
there is no flame after some seconds. If that was not used, the furnace
would keep pumping unburned oil into the fire pot, and you'd soon have
inches of oil in the fire pot which would eventually run out of the
furnace and make a huge mess, if not cause a house fire.

Since you know th motor runs, you dont have a blown fuse and are you
getting a spark? Is the oil spraying in the firepot? Is the flame
sensor not allowing it to keep running (often due to a dirty sensor.

Again, check for clogged filter, change nozzle, and check for a spark.

So,
1. Check for spark
2. check to see if the oil is getting into the furnace and spraying.
3. Check for a flame sensor problem, which wont allow it to keep running

Just like working on a car. You need ignition and fuel.

Do you know, if you remove the whole burner assembly, short across the
thermostat wires, connect to a fuel oil source, and connect it to an
outlet, you can burn them ouside of the furnace?

DONT DO IT INDOORS.
IN FACT, I DONT SUGGEST DOING IT AT ALL.
(However I have done it outdoors, and know a guy who used to use one of
them to heat metal for forging).

---
Maybe someone else can answer this. The oil furnaces I worked on were
in the 60's thru the 80's. Back then the circuitry was pretty simple.
But I never worked on anything newer. Do the newer oil filters have a
lot of computerized stuff?????

The filters are not computerized, but you probably meant furnaces. ;-)

What many or all have that mine, from 1979, doesn't have is an oil pump
solenoid valve, I think it's called. When the power to the burner
turns off (but before the power to the air circulating fan cuts out) ,
the solenoid is also de-energized, the valve closes, and that prevents
what must some kind of residual pressure from forcing or letting more
oil into the firebox, oil that won't be ignited because the power to the
burner is off and there is no spark**. I'm sure the absence of this
valve is not a problem for most furnaces without it, but that the valve
is a big help for some of them.

**My neighbor who has been asking my help, first with his bathtub faucet
and now with his furnace, was surprised to hear that the spark ran all
the time in an oil furnace. He had thought of it like a propane
torch, a gas range, or iiuc a gas furnace, where the electric spark is
just for starting the fire. . (Sometimes he really seems to need my
help, but he's never accepted my offers to look at his furnace. I've
seen his hall and his kitchen and they're both decorated and spotless.
I wonder what he's ashamed of in the furnace room.)

The new control boxes have the same connection screws as the old ones,
but one or both of the mechanical parts of the control panel may have
been replaced by semiconductors. Also they have an LED that goes on
(or maybe off) when the control panel is in lockout.

And the new ignition transformers aren't even called transformers
anymore, aiui, because either they have parts in addition to the
transformer or they use some other, semiconductor method to up the
voltage. Look at the profile of the one that Home Depot sells online.
It's lower, and might show some lights too, iirc.

Maybe adding remote control via the internet to furnaces has only
affected the thermostat, but maybe it's brought extra parts to the
furnace control box too. I don't know. But if you get one without
remote features, I think it's not that different from the ones you
worked on.

On Tue, 23 Dec 2014 03:26:00 -0800 (PST),
wrote:

My oil heater starts but dont stay on & my green light keeps flashing. It's set to reach a certain temperature & once it below that temperature the heater is suppose to reach that set temperature but it starts up &goes out after a few seconds.

Thanks for sharing.

On 12/24/2014 2:15 PM, Oren wrote:
On Tue, 23 Dec 2014 03:26:00 -0800 (PST),
wrote:

My oil heater starts but dont stay on & my green light keeps flashing. It's set to reach a certain temperature & once it below that temperature the heater is suppose to reach that set temperature but it starts up &goes out after a few seconds.

Thanks for sharing.

Your father and I love you.

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Learn about Jesus
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On Wednesday, December 24, 2014 1:29:34 PM UTC-5, micky wrote:
On Wed, 24 Dec 2014 04:42:21 -0800 (PST), trader_4
wrote:

On Wednesday, December 24, 2014 12:10:23 AM UTC-5, micky wrote:
Anyone notice that while you're all trying to fix the guy's
furnace based on one basically nonsensical sentence, he's gone MIA?

His post was vague, but not nonsensical. Lots of people don't fully
explain the situation when they first post.

I think it is nonsensical, when someone who obviously has no
clue whatever, starts asking what to do about an oil furnace that
keeps tripping the safety shutdown. If you don't even have a clue,
can't begin to formulate a question, you should have sense enough to
call for service.




As to MIA, it's only one day and 7 hours since his first post. Maybe
he worked all day yesterday, shopped after work for hours, and had to go
to work today. Lots of possible reasons why he hasn't posted back.

Sure, so feel free to keep speculating without a clue. My car won't
run. Please help me!





Or maybe he'll never get back to us because he's rude. Lots of posters
don't bother to post back. Most are not trolls.


Most don't make ridiculous posts like that either.



Maybe it's now too cold to type. More likely another troll.

Trolls are those who try to rile up the readers. Nothing he said was
like that.


It's certainly got folks here riled up, making wild guesses
with nothing to go on. Real sound ones too:

"How many is a few? Time it, at least twice, and tell us how long it
takes to go out each time. "

The guy appears clueless, do you really think it's a good
idea to be telling him to keep pushing the reset button, trying to
restart an oil burner, filling it with more oil? Or how to start
testing it:

"Lay the screwdriver on one of
the big contacts that the transformer has and then get the end of the
screwdriver very close to the other one. You should see a contnouse
spark from the other one to the tip of the screwdriver."

Come to think of it, maybe the reason he's not reporting back is
you killed him.

On Thu, 25 Dec 2014 03:51:06 -0800 (PST), trader_4
wrote:

On Wednesday, December 24, 2014 1:29:34 PM UTC-5, micky wrote:
On Wed, 24 Dec 2014 04:42:21 -0800 (PST), trader_4
wrote:

On Wednesday, December 24, 2014 12:10:23 AM UTC-5, micky wrote:
Anyone notice that while you're all trying to fix the guy's
furnace based on one basically nonsensical sentence, he's gone MIA?

His post was vague, but not nonsensical. Lots of people don't fully
explain the situation when they first post.

I think it is nonsensical, when someone who obviously has no
clue whatever, starts asking what to do about an oil furnace that
keeps tripping the safety shutdown. If you don't even have a clue,
can't begin to formulate a question, you should have sense enough to
call for service.

That attitude is what I think is nonsensical. Lots of people don't
know what they're doing until they start doing it.



As to MIA, it's only one day and 7 hours since his first post. Maybe
he worked all day yesterday, shopped after work for hours, and had to go
to work today. Lots of possible reasons why he hasn't posted back.

Sure, so feel free to keep speculating without a clue. My car won't
run. Please help me!

He gave a lot more details than that.




Or maybe he'll never get back to us because he's rude. Lots of posters
don't bother to post back. Most are not trolls.


Most don't make ridiculous posts like that either.

I don't think it was ridiculous. If you don't like it, don't answer.


Maybe it's now too cold to type. More likely another troll.

Trolls are those who try to rile up the readers. Nothing he said was
like that.


It's certainly got folks here riled up, making wild guesses
with nothing to go on. Real sound ones too:

That's not what I meant by riled up. Did you really think it was?

"How many is a few? Time it, at least twice, and tell us how long it
takes to go out each time. "

The guy appears clueless, do you really think it's a good
idea to be telling him to keep pushing the reset button, trying to
restart an oil burner, filling it with more oil? Or how to start
testing it:

If part of my answer was bad, that does't make the OP a troll. When
you post something silly does that make the OP in that thread a troll?

"Lay the screwdriver on one of
the big contacts that the transformer has and then get the end of the
screwdriver very close to the other one. You should see a contnouse
spark from the other one to the tip of the screwdriver."

Come to think of it, maybe the reason he's not reporting back is
you killed him.

You're a trip.

micky wrote:
On Thu, 25 Dec 2014 03:51:06 -0800 (PST), trader_4
wrote:

On Wednesday, December 24, 2014 1:29:34 PM UTC-5, micky wrote:
On Wed, 24 Dec 2014 04:42:21 -0800 (PST), trader_4
wrote:

On Wednesday, December 24, 2014 12:10:23 AM UTC-5, micky wrote:
Anyone notice that while you're all trying to fix the guy's
furnace based on one basically nonsensical sentence, he's gone MIA?

His post was vague, but not nonsensical. Lots of people don't fully
explain the situation when they first post.

I think it is nonsensical, when someone who obviously has no
clue whatever, starts asking what to do about an oil furnace that
keeps tripping the safety shutdown. If you don't even have a clue,
can't begin to formulate a question, you should have sense enough to
call for service.

That attitude is what I think is nonsensical. Lots of people don't
know what they're doing until they start doing it.



As to MIA, it's only one day and 7 hours since his first post.
Maybe he worked all day yesterday, shopped after work for hours,
and had to go to work today. Lots of possible reasons why he
hasn't posted back.

Sure, so feel free to keep speculating without a clue. My car won't
run. Please help me!

He gave a lot more details than that.




Or maybe he'll never get back to us because he's rude. Lots of
posters don't bother to post back. Most are not trolls.


Most don't make ridiculous posts like that either.

I don't think it was ridiculous. If you don't like it, don't answer.


Maybe it's now too cold to type. More likely another troll.

Trolls are those who try to rile up the readers. Nothing he said
was like that.


It's certainly got folks here riled up, making wild guesses
with nothing to go on. Real sound ones too:

That's not what I meant by riled up. Did you really think it was?

"How many is a few? Time it, at least twice, and tell us how long
it takes to go out each time. "

The guy appears clueless, do you really think it's a good
idea to be telling him to keep pushing the reset button, trying to
restart an oil burner, filling it with more oil? Or how to start
testing it:

If part of my answer was bad, that does't make the OP a troll. When
you post something silly does that make the OP in that thread a troll?

"Lay the screwdriver on one of
the big contacts that the transformer has and then get the end of the
screwdriver very close to the other one. You should see a contnouse
spark from the other one to the tip of the screwdriver."

Come to think of it, maybe the reason he's not reporting back is
you killed him.

You're a trip.

No he's not , he's an asshole . I've seen nothing but sniping from T4 , and
have serious doubts about his ability to "home repair" anything but his own
ego .

--
Snag

On Saturday, December 27, 2014 1:04:59 PM UTC-5, micky wrote:
On Thu, 25 Dec 2014 03:51:06 -0800 (PST), trader_4
wrote:

On Wednesday, December 24, 2014 1:29:34 PM UTC-5, micky wrote:
On Wed, 24 Dec 2014 04:42:21 -0800 (PST), trader_4
wrote:

On Wednesday, December 24, 2014 12:10:23 AM UTC-5, micky wrote:
Anyone notice that while you're all trying to fix the guy's
furnace based on one basically nonsensical sentence, he's gone MIA?

His post was vague, but not nonsensical. Lots of people don't fully
explain the situation when they first post.

I think it is nonsensical, when someone who obviously has no
clue whatever, starts asking what to do about an oil furnace that
keeps tripping the safety shutdown. If you don't even have a clue,
can't begin to formulate a question, you should have sense enough to
call for service.

That attitude is what I think is nonsensical. Lots of people don't
know what they're doing until they start doing it.

Sure, and to keep pushing the reset button on an oil burner,
as you suggested, is a good place to start learning.







As to MIA, it's only one day and 7 hours since his first post. Maybe
he worked all day yesterday, shopped after work for hours, and had to go
to work today. Lots of possible reasons why he hasn't posted back.

Sure, so feel free to keep speculating without a clue. My car won't
run. Please help me!

He gave a lot more details than that.

No he didn't. You must be imagining things. Go back and read it.






Or maybe he'll never get back to us because he's rude. Lots of posters
don't bother to post back. Most are not trolls.


Most don't make ridiculous posts like that either.

I don't think it was ridiculous. If you don't like it, don't answer.

Who appointed you hall monitor?




Maybe it's now too cold to type. More likely another troll.

Trolls are those who try to rile up the readers. Nothing he said was
like that.


It's certainly got folks here riled up, making wild guesses
with nothing to go on. Real sound ones too:

That's not what I meant by riled up. Did you really think it was?

I think he was a troll.



"How many is a few? Time it, at least twice, and tell us how long it
takes to go out each time. "

The guy appears clueless, do you really think it's a good
idea to be telling him to keep pushing the reset button, trying to
restart an oil burner, filling it with more oil? Or how to start
testing it:

If part of my answer was bad, that does't make the OP a troll. When
you post something silly does that make the OP in that thread a troll?

It often does.




"Lay the screwdriver on one of
the big contacts that the transformer has and then get the end of the
screwdriver very close to the other one. You should see a contnouse
spark from the other one to the tip of the screwdriver."

Come to think of it, maybe the reason he's not reporting back is
you killed him.

You're a trip.


And you're a dangerous idiot. Somebody shows up here, basically says
my furnace starts and only runs for a few seconds, shows no indication
of having *any* technical knowledge of dealing with an oil burner
and you tell him to keep pushing the reset button and take a screwdriver,
put it across a high voltage transformer.

Good grief.

On Saturday, December 27, 2014 6:22:50 PM UTC-5, Terry Coombs wrote:
micky wrote:
On Thu, 25 Dec 2014 03:51:06 -0800 (PST), trader_4
wrote:

On Wednesday, December 24, 2014 1:29:34 PM UTC-5, micky wrote:
On Wed, 24 Dec 2014 04:42:21 -0800 (PST), trader_4
wrote:

On Wednesday, December 24, 2014 12:10:23 AM UTC-5, micky wrote:
Anyone notice that while you're all trying to fix the guy's
furnace based on one basically nonsensical sentence, he's gone MIA?

His post was vague, but not nonsensical. Lots of people don't fully
explain the situation when they first post.

I think it is nonsensical, when someone who obviously has no
clue whatever, starts asking what to do about an oil furnace that
keeps tripping the safety shutdown. If you don't even have a clue,
can't begin to formulate a question, you should have sense enough to
call for service.

That attitude is what I think is nonsensical. Lots of people don't
know what they're doing until they start doing it.



As to MIA, it's only one day and 7 hours since his first post.
Maybe he worked all day yesterday, shopped after work for hours,
and had to go to work today. Lots of possible reasons why he
hasn't posted back.

Sure, so feel free to keep speculating without a clue. My car won't
run. Please help me!

He gave a lot more details than that.




Or maybe he'll never get back to us because he's rude. Lots of
posters don't bother to post back. Most are not trolls.


Most don't make ridiculous posts like that either.

I don't think it was ridiculous. If you don't like it, don't answer.


Maybe it's now too cold to type. More likely another troll.

Trolls are those who try to rile up the readers. Nothing he said
was like that.


It's certainly got folks here riled up, making wild guesses
with nothing to go on. Real sound ones too:

That's not what I meant by riled up. Did you really think it was?

"How many is a few? Time it, at least twice, and tell us how long
it takes to go out each time. "

The guy appears clueless, do you really think it's a good
idea to be telling him to keep pushing the reset button, trying to
restart an oil burner, filling it with more oil? Or how to start
testing it:

If part of my answer was bad, that does't make the OP a troll. When
you post something silly does that make the OP in that thread a troll?

"Lay the screwdriver on one of
the big contacts that the transformer has and then get the end of the
screwdriver very close to the other one. You should see a contnouse
spark from the other one to the tip of the screwdriver."

Come to think of it, maybe the reason he's not reporting back is
you killed him.

You're a trip.

No he's not , he's an asshole . I've seen nothing but sniping from T4 , and
have serious doubts about his ability to "home repair" anything but his own
ego .

--
Snag

I have serious doubts about you too. You jump in defending your buddy Micky, who told someone who obviously is totally clueless to put a screwdriver across a high voltage transformer in an oil burner. Yeah, I'm the problem here. Go figure. Luckily for the poster, he's probably a troll.

On 12/27/2014 7:11 PM, trader_4 wrote:
On Saturday, December 27, 2014 6:22:50 PM UTC-5, Terry Coombs wrote:

No he's not , he's an asshole . I've seen nothing but sniping from T4 , and
have serious doubts about his ability to "home repair" anything but his own
ego .

--
Snag

I have serious doubts about you too. You jump in defending your buddy Micky, who told someone who obviously is totally clueless to put a screwdriver across a high voltage transformer in an oil burner. Yeah, I'm the problem here. Go figure. Luckily for the poster, he's probably a troll.


Maybe the OP is dead, and crispy carbonized,
which is why we've not heard back?

-
..
Christopher A. Young
Learn about Jesus
www.lds.org
..

trader_4 wrote:
On Saturday, December 27, 2014 6:22:50 PM UTC-5, Terry Coombs wrote:
micky wrote:

You're a trip.

No he's not , he's an asshole . I've seen nothing but sniping from
T4 , and have serious doubts about his ability to "home repair"
anything but his own ego .

--
Snag

I have serious doubts about you too. You jump in defending your
buddy Micky, who told someone who obviously is totally clueless to
put a screwdriver across a high voltage transformer in an oil burner.
Yeah, I'm the problem here. Go figure. Luckily for the poster, he's
probably a troll.

I was neither defending Micky nor his advice , I was talking about you .
I've yet to see you actually offer an idea , but have read your negative
comments about everybody else's . The post after mine is a perfect example .
Selected quotes :

"No he didn't. You must be imagining things. Go back and read it.
Who appointed you hall monitor?
I think he was a troll.
And you're a dangerous idiot.

Not a single alternative presented . Just criticism .
--
Snag

On Sunday, December 28, 2014 8:49:00 AM UTC-5, Terry Coombs wrote:
trader_4 wrote:
On Saturday, December 27, 2014 6:22:50 PM UTC-5, Terry Coombs wrote:
micky wrote:

You're a trip.

No he's not , he's an asshole . I've seen nothing but sniping from
T4 , and have serious doubts about his ability to "home repair"
anything but his own ego .

--
Snag

I have serious doubts about you too. You jump in defending your
buddy Micky, who told someone who obviously is totally clueless to
put a screwdriver across a high voltage transformer in an oil burner.
Yeah, I'm the problem here. Go figure. Luckily for the poster, he's
probably a troll.

I was neither defending Micky nor his advice , I was talking about you .

I see. So dangerous advice to someone, who if they are for real is
obviously clueless, is irrelevant and you don't comment on that.
But me, suggesting the guy was a troll, well that's important to you.
Go figure.


I've yet to see you actually offer an idea , but have read your negative
comments about everybody else's . The post after mine is a perfect example .
Selected quotes :


As I posted, I think the poster is a troll and any advice will be
going into space.
The fact that he replied to a decade old thread and hasn't been heard from
besides that one post, suggests I'm right.
Some of you apparently can't tolerate that opinion.


"No he didn't. You must be imagining things. Go back and read it.
Who appointed you hall monitor?
I think he was a troll.
And you're a dangerous idiot.

Not a single alternative presented . Just criticism .
--
Snag

I did present an alternative. Don't listen to Micky and stick a
screwdriver across the high voltage xformer. Don't keep pushing
the reset button. That alone could have
saved his life, if he's for real. Or someone else's life that reads this
years later. The other alternative is so obvious I would think even you
could figure it out. When you're clueless, call a service pro to fix your faulty oil burner. Happy now?

trader_4 wrote:
On Sunday, December 28, 2014 8:49:00 AM UTC-5, Terry Coombs wrote:
trader_4 wrote:
On Saturday, December 27, 2014 6:22:50 PM UTC-5, Terry Coombs wrote:
micky wrote:

You're a trip.

No he's not , he's an asshole . I've seen nothing but sniping from
T4 , and have serious doubts about his ability to "home repair"
anything but his own ego .

--
Snag

I have serious doubts about you too. You jump in defending your
buddy Micky, who told someone who obviously is totally clueless to
put a screwdriver across a high voltage transformer in an oil
burner. Yeah, I'm the problem here. Go figure. Luckily for the
poster, he's probably a troll.

I was neither defending Micky nor his advice , I was talking about
you .

I see. So dangerous advice to someone, who if they are for real is
obviously clueless, is irrelevant and you don't comment on that.
But me, suggesting the guy was a troll, well that's important to you.
Go figure.


I've yet to see you actually offer an idea , but have read your
negative comments about everybody else's . The post after mine is a
perfect example . Selected quotes :


As I posted, I think the poster is a troll and any advice will be
going into space.
The fact that he replied to a decade old thread and hasn't been heard
from
besides that one post, suggests I'm right.
Some of you apparently can't tolerate that opinion.


"No he didn't. You must be imagining things. Go back and read it.
Who appointed you hall monitor?
I think he was a troll.
And you're a dangerous idiot.

Not a single alternative presented . Just criticism .
--
Snag

I did present an alternative. Don't listen to Micky and stick a
screwdriver across the high voltage xformer. Don't keep pushing
the reset button. That alone could have
saved his life, if he's for real. Or someone else's life that reads
this
years later. The other alternative is so obvious I would think even
you
could figure it out. When you're clueless, call a service pro to fix
your faulty oil burner. Happy now?

Well , that is more in line with what I like to see posted . There is so
much talent in this group , I have learned a lot stuff I didn't know . And
expect to learn more . As one of the guys in one of my email lists says
"Together we are smarter than any one of us alone . "
You said above that he was responding to a thread that's 10 years old , I
saw no indication this isn't a current problem with the OP . Where did you
get that idea ? Not sniping , just curious .
--
Snag

On Sunday, December 28, 2014 9:49:07 AM UTC-5, Terry Coombs wrote:


I did present an alternative. Don't listen to Micky and stick a
screwdriver across the high voltage xformer. Don't keep pushing
the reset button. That alone could have
saved his life, if he's for real. Or someone else's life that reads
this
years later. The other alternative is so obvious I would think even
you
could figure it out. When you're clueless, call a service pro to fix
your faulty oil burner. Happy now?

Well , that is more in line with what I like to see posted .


I'm so happy it now meets with your approval. That means so much to me.



There is so
much talent in this group

I guess that excludes me, you said I was an asshole.


I have learned a lot stuff I didn't know . And
expect to learn more . As one of the guys in one of my email lists says
"Together we are smarter than any one of us alone . "
You said above that he was responding to a thread that's 10 years old , I
saw no indication this isn't a current problem with the OP . Where did you
get that idea ? Not sniping , just curious .
--
Snag


The OP that started the thread was back in Nov 2000:


jce

11/17/00

Hoping for help with an oil furnace that won't stay running...
Background info...

Furnance was working until few days ago. (Electric on/off switch is on).
Approx. 3 days ago furnace shut down.
In attempt to restart furnance, I turned thermostat down fuel then up
full -- furnace did not turn on.
Topped up oil tank today.
In attempt to restart furnance, I turned thermostat down fuel then up
full -- furnace did not turn on.
Pressed reset button on side of furnace several times -- it kept kicking
off.(only button on the furnace where this option was possible). Each time
I hit the reset button, the furnace would turn on momentarily then stop.

Just my luck, it started snowing this a.m. !!!

Thanking you in advance for advice...

John




The post that started it up again was:




Dec 23

My oil heater starts but dont stay on & my green light keeps flashing. It's set to reach a certain temperature & once it below that temperature the heater is suppose to reach that set temperature but it starts up &goes out after a few seconds.




As I said, if you want to reply to that and give directions on what to
start screwing with to fix it, that's up to you. I might be an asshole,
but I can follow a thread.

trader_4 wrote:
On Sunday, December 28, 2014 9:49:07 AM UTC-5, Terry Coombs wrote:


I did present an alternative. Don't listen to Micky and stick a
screwdriver across the high voltage xformer. Don't keep pushing
the reset button. That alone could have
saved his life, if he's for real. Or someone else's life that reads
this
years later. The other alternative is so obvious I would think even
you
could figure it out. When you're clueless, call a service pro to fix
your faulty oil burner. Happy now?

Well , that is more in line with what I like to see posted .


I'm so happy it now meets with your approval. That means so much to
me.



There is so
much talent in this group

I guess that excludes me, you said I was an asshole.


I have learned a lot stuff I didn't know . And
expect to learn more . As one of the guys in one of my email lists
says "Together we are smarter than any one of us alone . "
You said above that he was responding to a thread that's 10 years
old , I saw no indication this isn't a current problem with the OP .
Where did you get that idea ? Not sniping , just curious .
--
Snag


The OP that started the thread was back in Nov 2000:


jce

11/17/00

Hoping for help with an oil furnace that won't stay running...
Background info...

Furnance was working until few days ago. (Electric on/off switch is
on).
Approx. 3 days ago furnace shut down.
In attempt to restart furnance, I turned thermostat down fuel then up
full -- furnace did not turn on.
Topped up oil tank today.
In attempt to restart furnance, I turned thermostat down fuel then up
full -- furnace did not turn on.
Pressed reset button on side of furnace several times -- it kept
kicking
off.(only button on the furnace where this option was possible).
Each time
I hit the reset button, the furnace would turn on momentarily then
stop.

Just my luck, it started snowing this a.m. !!!

Thanking you in advance for advice...

John




The post that started it up again was:




Dec 23

My oil heater starts but dont stay on & my green light keeps
flashing. It's set to reach a certain temperature & once it below
that temperature the heater is suppose to reach that set temperature
but it starts up &goes out after a few seconds.




As I said, if you want to reply to that and give directions on what to
start screwing with to fix it, that's up to you. I might be an
asshole,
but I can follow a thread.

I see no connection between the two threads . No reference to an earlier
post , no indication that I can see that this guy even knew such a post
existed . Just because it's about the same problem does not mean it's a
continuation of a former thread .
That hair shirt looks good on you .
--
Snag

On Sunday, December 28, 2014 10:24:11 AM UTC-5, Terry Coombs wrote:
trader_4 wrote:
On Sunday, December 28, 2014 9:49:07 AM UTC-5, Terry Coombs wrote:


I did present an alternative. Don't listen to Micky and stick a
screwdriver across the high voltage xformer. Don't keep pushing
the reset button. That alone could have
saved his life, if he's for real. Or someone else's life that reads
this
years later. The other alternative is so obvious I would think even
you
could figure it out. When you're clueless, call a service pro to fix
your faulty oil burner. Happy now?

Well , that is more in line with what I like to see posted .


I'm so happy it now meets with your approval. That means so much to
me.



There is so
much talent in this group

I guess that excludes me, you said I was an asshole.


I have learned a lot stuff I didn't know . And
expect to learn more . As one of the guys in one of my email lists
says "Together we are smarter than any one of us alone . "
You said above that he was responding to a thread that's 10 years
old , I saw no indication this isn't a current problem with the OP .
Where did you get that idea ? Not sniping , just curious .
--
Snag


The OP that started the thread was back in Nov 2000:


jce

11/17/00

Hoping for help with an oil furnace that won't stay running...
Background info...

Furnance was working until few days ago. (Electric on/off switch is
on).
Approx. 3 days ago furnace shut down.
In attempt to restart furnance, I turned thermostat down fuel then up
full -- furnace did not turn on.
Topped up oil tank today.
In attempt to restart furnance, I turned thermostat down fuel then up
full -- furnace did not turn on.
Pressed reset button on side of furnace several times -- it kept
kicking
off.(only button on the furnace where this option was possible).
Each time
I hit the reset button, the furnace would turn on momentarily then
stop.

Just my luck, it started snowing this a.m. !!!

Thanking you in advance for advice...

John




The post that started it up again was:




Dec 23

My oil heater starts but dont stay on & my green light keeps
flashing. It's set to reach a certain temperature & once it below
that temperature the heater is suppose to reach that set temperature
but it starts up &goes out after a few seconds.




As I said, if you want to reply to that and give directions on what to
start screwing with to fix it, that's up to you. I might be an
asshole,
but I can follow a thread.

I see no connection between the two threads . No reference to an earlier
post , no indication that I can see that this guy even knew such a post
existed . Just because it's about the same problem does not mean it's a
continuation of a former thread .
That hair shirt looks good on you .
--
Snag

My, you're confused:


Newsgroups: alt.home.repair

Message-ID:

Subject: Oil furnace won't stay running...

From:

Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2014 03:26:00 -0800 (PST)

In-Reply-To:



And when was the
post that drrcker replied to made:


Subject: Oil furnace won't stay running...

Newsgroups: alt.home.repair

References:

Message-ID:

X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155

Lines: 38

Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 02:35:35 GMT




There you have it. The drrckr poster of Dec 23, that resumed this old
thread, clearly replied to a thread started Nov 2000, where the last
post prior to drrckr was Nov 2000. It's exactly what I said, an old
thread going back to 2000. Who's the asshole now?

trader_4 wrote:
On Sunday, December 28, 2014 10:24:11 AM UTC-5, Terry Coombs wrote:
trader_4 wrote:
On Sunday, December 28, 2014 9:49:07 AM UTC-5, Terry Coombs wrote:


I did present an alternative. Don't listen to Micky and stick a
screwdriver across the high voltage xformer. Don't keep pushing
the reset button. That alone could have
saved his life, if he's for real. Or someone else's life that
reads this
years later. The other alternative is so obvious I would think
even you
could figure it out. When you're clueless, call a service pro to
fix your faulty oil burner. Happy now?

Well , that is more in line with what I like to see posted .


I'm so happy it now meets with your approval. That means so much to
me.



There is so
much talent in this group

I guess that excludes me, you said I was an asshole.


I have learned a lot stuff I didn't know . And
expect to learn more . As one of the guys in one of my email lists
says "Together we are smarter than any one of us alone . "
You said above that he was responding to a thread that's 10 years
old , I saw no indication this isn't a current problem with the OP
. Where did you get that idea ? Not sniping , just curious .
--
Snag


The OP that started the thread was back in Nov 2000:


jce

11/17/00

Hoping for help with an oil furnace that won't stay running...
Background info...

Furnance was working until few days ago. (Electric on/off switch is
on).
Approx. 3 days ago furnace shut down.
In attempt to restart furnance, I turned thermostat down fuel then
up full -- furnace did not turn on.
Topped up oil tank today.
In attempt to restart furnance, I turned thermostat down fuel then
up full -- furnace did not turn on.
Pressed reset button on side of furnace several times -- it kept
kicking
off.(only button on the furnace where this option was possible).
Each time
I hit the reset button, the furnace would turn on momentarily then
stop.

Just my luck, it started snowing this a.m. !!!

Thanking you in advance for advice...

John




The post that started it up again was:




Dec 23

My oil heater starts but dont stay on & my green light keeps
flashing. It's set to reach a certain temperature & once it below
that temperature the heater is suppose to reach that set temperature
but it starts up &goes out after a few seconds.




As I said, if you want to reply to that and give directions on what
to start screwing with to fix it, that's up to you. I might be an
asshole,
but I can follow a thread.

I see no connection between the two threads . No reference to an
earlier post , no indication that I can see that this guy even knew
such a post existed . Just because it's about the same problem does
not mean it's a continuation of a former thread .
That hair shirt looks good on you .
--
Snag

My, you're confused:


Newsgroups: alt.home.repair

Message-ID:

Subject: Oil furnace won't stay running...

From:

Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2014 03:26:00 -0800 (PST)

In-Reply-To:



And when was the
post that drrcker replied to made:


Subject: Oil furnace won't stay running...

Newsgroups: alt.home.repair

References:

Message-ID:

X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155

Lines: 38

Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 02:35:35 GMT




There you have it. The drrckr poster of Dec 23, that resumed this old
thread, clearly replied to a thread started Nov 2000, where the last
post prior to drrckr was Nov 2000. It's exactly what I said, an old
thread going back to 2000. Who's the asshole now?

Why YOU are , of course . How many people are going to dig into the message
source to find that kind of information ? Most of us are going to take
things at face value , not go digging to find something to bitch about .
Oh , I see now I can check message sources too that you're using google
groups as an interface to usenet . Explains a lot . Are you too stupid to
use a real newsreader and usenet server for access ? Or just too lazy ?
--
Snag

On Sunday, December 28, 2014 12:14:38 PM UTC-5, Terry Coombs wrote:


Why YOU are , of course . How many people are going to dig into the message
source to find that kind of information ?

I didn't have to "dig" into anything. It's clearly displayed in the list
of posts and date when I first saw the new post.
I just "dug" into it, because you tried to claim there
was no evidence of the history of the thread. So, I provided the proof
you requested. I saw the full thread, the list of dates from day one.
Who's the asshole now?


Most of us are going to take
things at face value , not go digging to find something to bitch about .

That's pretty much what I did. Do you really think I went digging, to
find out the date of a post? That he restarted a thread from 2000,
combined with the nonsensical post, was why I pointed out that it might
be a troll. You and Micky took great offense to that. He's probably
as clueless to the history of the post as you are.


Oh , I see now I can check message sources too that you're using google
groups as an interface to usenet . Explains a lot . Are you too stupid to
use a real newsreader and usenet server for access ? Or just too lazy ?
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Snag

Now that's a classic. I can and did see the order of the posts, that the
earliest post was from 2000, that the thread ended in 2000, until this
guy showed up. You didn't and claimed it was a new thread.
And now you have the unmitigated gaul to try to slander
Google Groups? Maybe if you were using it, you wouldn't have made at
total ass of yourself, like you just did. It's incredible. I see the
thread in context, that it ended in 2000, you don't, and then you proceed
to slam what I use. I can see your problem, you don't learn from mistakes.

Good grief. You really, really are the new village idiot.

PS: Try to learn to trim posts too.

trader_4 wrote:
On Sunday, December 28, 2014 12:14:38 PM UTC-5, Terry Coombs wrote:


Why YOU are , of course . How many people are going to dig into the
message source to find that kind of information ?

I didn't have to "dig" into anything. It's clearly displayed in the
list of posts and date when I first saw the new post.
I just "dug" into it, because you tried to claim there
was no evidence of the history of the thread. So, I provided the proof
you requested. I saw the full thread, the list of dates from day
one. Who's the asshole now?


Most of us are going to take
things at face value , not go digging to find something to bitch
about .

That's pretty much what I did. Do you really think I went digging, to
find out the date of a post? That he restarted a thread from 2000,
combined with the nonsensical post, was why I pointed out that it
might
be a troll. You and Micky took great offense to that. He's probably
as clueless to the history of the post as you are.


Oh , I see now I can check message sources too that you're using
google groups as an interface to usenet . Explains a lot . Are you
too stupid to use a real newsreader and usenet server for access ?
Or just too lazy ? --
Snag

Now that's a classic. I can and did see the order of the posts, that
the earliest post was from 2000, that the thread ended in 2000, until
this
guy showed up. You didn't and claimed it was a new thread.
And now you have the unmitigated gaul to try to slander
Google Groups? Maybe if you were using it, you wouldn't have made at
total ass of yourself, like you just did. It's incredible. I see the
thread in context, that it ended in 2000, you don't, and then you
proceed to slam what I use. I can see your problem, you don't learn
from mistakes.

Good grief. You really, really are the new village idiot.

PS: Try to learn to trim posts too.

yawn

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Snag

Oren posted for all of us...



On Tue, 23 Dec 2014 03:26:00 -0800 (PST),
wrote:

My oil heater starts but dont stay on & my green light keeps flashing. It's set to reach a certain temperature & once it below that temperature the heater is suppose to reach that set temperature but it starts up &goes out after a few seconds.

Thanks for sharing.

Really, I think this topic has been posted at least three times lately.

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Tekkie *Please post a follow-up*

Maybe he simply got overwhelmed by the responses !!!
All I can say about the whole thing is this.... If you want to play around with transformers. and electrical currents without being a qualified professional , well I wouldn't advise others to do the same because there is always the danger of electric shock or worst case scenario, a spark can cause the oil to catch fire and next thing you know, the house has burnt down..
Be sensible and get someone in who knows what they are doing and be sure to get annual checkups to avoid the DIY mindset !!