I have a tile roof, 5:12 slope...about 70 squares of Monier, "Villa",
flashed concrete tile mudded on to hot mopped 90# over the 30# dry in. It
was put on in 1996, cost was approximately $200/square for tile,
installation of tile and the 90# hot mop. The tiles themselves were
approximately half the total.

That price was approximately the going rate here but probably less than in
much of the country as the area I live in is on the inexpensive side.

All was well until 4 -5 years ago when a leak developed. Had a roofer out
to fix it - at a cost of $1500 - and all was well for a couple of years
until another leak develped in the same area. No roofer this time, I used
a JOAT I have used for numerous things and of whom I think highly because
he is both knowledgeable and extremely conscientious. He fixed it,
finding that the valley metal in the leak area had not been properly
installed in the first place.

A bit later, another leak developled n an area far away from the first.
The JOAT fixed it too, finding that the underlay in the area was badly
deteriorated.

I have had a couple of other intermitant leaks too, in different areas,
when there is both heavy rain and strong winds. Since I am frugal and
those appear to have been associated with unusual circumstances, they have
not been addressed.

Well, new leaks have now developed in the fixed areas. My best guess is
that the underlay has succumbed to the heat from the Florida sun and that
I may be faced with a total tearoff and new roof covering. Thing is, I
don't KNOW that.

I had a roofer out to check things but his only interest was in doing a
new clay tile roof, not exploring alternatives. He was took measurements
and was going to send prices for concrete and steel but I have not heard
from him. Given that he was muttering about $1000/square for clay tile
and there is no way in hell I am going to lay out $70,000 for a roof, I am
interested in alternatives. Things I have considered...

1. Tear off, install new and hopefully better membrane, replace original
tile (which is in good shape). The problem is, the tile is no longer made
and there would be a certain amount of breakage during the tearoff. I
have a small amount of unused tiles but less than a square and it isn't
likely that would be nearly enough; I might be able to find more tiles in
some roofer's boneyard but that is iffy.

2. Do the above but use old tiles on one or more sides, new different ones
on the others. It is not appealing to me esthetically and the only
monetary saving would be the price of the new tiles not needed to replace
old ones.

3. Metal. My preference is for clay, followed by concrete but standing
seam metal has some definite advantages. There is one in particular that
mimics the look of clay/concrete tiles that I like well enough. The
decision would be purely monetary...is metal that much less than the
others? I found one site via Google that gives recent examples in the
range of $450 to $250 per square, installed, all materials and labor.
Accurate?
file://localhost/D:/Downloads/Tile%20roof/Metal%20Roofing%20Cost%20Examples%20_%20Ask%20the% 20Builder.mht

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That was mostly background, now more specific questions.

1. I am just getting into this and expect to be talking to numerous
roofers. I know there are good, conscientous contractors; I also know
that there are those who cut corners and whose prices vary according to
how much they think the market will bear. The usual suggestion to
differentiate one from another is to get references; problem is, those
references rarely have the expertise to tell good from bad. Longevity is
another, Any other ways?

2. I am not totally sure that the underlay is shot. The only way I can
think of to check is to examine the sheathing from the underside and to
pull up random tiles. Any other suggestions?

3. Given my 1996 cost and adjusting for inflation, I would expect a total
price in the $22,000- $25,000 range for the same/similar material. Plus
the tearoff. I find contractors are generally reluctant to break down the
various costs in their bids but it would be very helpful to me to have an
idea of the tearoff cost.

4. As stated previously, the one contractor was talking about $70,000 for
the job with clay tiles. Obviously, that greatly exceeded what I was
expecting. My question is, are clay tiles that much more than concrete
tiles? If not, have prices so greatly exceeded inflation? It would be
helpful if I knew the actual prices of both clay and concrete tiles. I
have not been able to determine that form web searches, just the complete
cost with tile, labor and other material (underlay, bird stops, etc).

I did find some individual prices via alibaba.com for Chinese
tiles...prices from $2-3 to $9.00 per square meter (about 9 sq.ft) but FOB
China.

5. About metal, steel or aluminum? Prices for material?

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"dadiOH" wrote in message
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I have a tile roof, 5:12 slope...about 70 squares of Monier, "Villa",
flashed concrete tile mudded on to hot mopped 90# over the 30# dry in. It
was put on in 1996, cost was approximately $200/square for tile,
installation of tile and the 90# hot mop. The tiles themselves were
approximately half the total.


I only have a couple thoughts for you.


1. You might hire an ex-roofer as your consultant to make sure the roofer
you hire does the job right. Your consultant will have no interest in
allowing the roofer to take short cuts. I know a commercial roofer that
quit doing roofing work and just serves as an inexpensive
consultant/go-between.

2. If you need to buy more non-matching tiles, you might consider using them
as a "rim" around the bottom or top of the roof, so it looks like you are
doing something intentional. Or throw them in sort of randomly to break up
the monotony. It could end up looking nice even with the mismatched tiles.

I will watch this tread for other interesting replies. Good luck!

Pico Rico wrote:
"dadiOH" wrote in message
...
I have a tile roof, 5:12 slope...about 70 squares of Monier, "Villa",
flashed concrete tile mudded on to hot mopped 90# over the 30# dry in. It
was put on in 1996, cost was approximately $200/square for tile,
installation of tile and the 90# hot mop. The tiles themselves were
approximately half the total.


I only have a couple thoughts for you.


1. You might hire an ex-roofer as your consultant to make sure the roofer
you hire does the job right. Your consultant will have no interest in
allowing the roofer to take short cuts. I know a commercial roofer that
quit doing roofing work and just serves as an inexpensive
consultant/go-between.

2. If you need to buy more non-matching tiles, you might consider using them
as a "rim" around the bottom or top of the roof, so it looks like you are
doing something intentional. Or throw them in sort of randomly to break up
the monotony. It could end up looking nice even with the mismatched tiles.

I will watch this tread for other interesting replies. Good luck!


Hi,
Are tiles Hurricane proof? I live in a Cul-de-Sac with 7 houses. My
house is located at one end and when I needed new roofing replacing
shakes, I chose to go with Rolled steel
tiles coated with ceramic and granules and installed in 2005 by a crew
from Ukraine who
were experienced with this specific tiles. Took about a week. A house at
the other end of
Cul-de-Sac had concrete tiles installed about same time, Now he is
having some problems with some tiles showing hair line cracks and very
minor leaks, our roof is still intact, no problem of any sort so far. It
came with a 50 year transferable guarantee . This tiles are German
origin, been used in all over europe for many years.
Concrete/Clay tiles are heavy and it is hung on lattrice interlocking
together. Steel times are interlocked and screwed down with SS screws.
Either roof cost was ~25K CAD back
then. I still think I made a right choice.

"Tony Hwang" wrote in message


Hi,
Are tiles Hurricane proof?

Hi, Tony..."hurricane proof" is relative. These have been through four
hurricanes - all in 2004 - without direct damage from the storms. There
was minor damage - a handful of tiles - after the first due to falling
branches. That storm had gusts in excess of 120mph, sustained of about
85mph. It also created mountains of tree debris...we had a stack to be
hauled away that was 300' long by as high as we could stack it (6-7') by
the same wide. We also burned a somewhat smaller amount.

In addition to the debris, we had three large oaks blown over, one of
which is still living, albeit in a generally horizontal position

I live in a Cul-de-Sac with 7 houses. My
house is located at one end and when I needed new roofing replacing
shakes, I chose to go with Rolled steel
tiles coated with ceramic and granules and installed in 2005 by a crew
from Ukraine who
were experienced with this specific tiles. Took about a week. A house at
the other end of
Cul-de-Sac had concrete tiles installed about same time, Now he is
having some problems with some tiles showing hair line cracks and very
minor leaks, our roof is still intact, no problem of any sort so far. It
came with a 50 year transferable guarantee . This tiles are German
origin, been used in all over europe for many years.

I am familiar with them. They are an option. They are made in the US
too.

Concrete/Clay tiles are heavy and it is hung on lattrice interlocking
together.

That's one way. Another way is to use mortar under them (foam too, more
common now). I chose not to use battens because I really hate the thought
of all those nails holding them down...nails which are penetrating the
membrane which is what actually keeps the rain out.

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20 years seems poor service for the Monier roof.
I know it is often said "the membrane which is what actually keeps the rain
out" but I question that.
In Hawaii, Monier [generally the flat concrete] tiles were installed per
manufacturer's specs without a membrane for decades and still work well.
[Spec added membranes only in the 1990's.]
In Europe, Asia, plenty of clay tiled roofs without membranes have worked
well for centuries.
Not that I would skimp on adding the membrane, but I think a properly
installed tile roof should do the trick without the membrane. I have seen
issues develope when the house has shifted a bit over the years [common in
Hawaii], causing the tiles to get out of alignment. Around here it would be
common to be able to remove, stack on the roof, add a membrane for extra
assurrance and replace with little or no loss of the tiles. Not a big or
expensive job.


"dadiOH" wrote in message
...
"Tony Hwang" wrote in message


Hi,
Are tiles Hurricane proof?

Hi, Tony..."hurricane proof" is relative. These have been through four
hurricanes - all in 2004 - without direct damage from the storms. There
was minor damage - a handful of tiles - after the first due to falling
branches. That storm had gusts in excess of 120mph, sustained of about
85mph. It also created mountains of tree debris...we had a stack to be
hauled away that was 300' long by as high as we could stack it (6-7') by
the same wide. We also burned a somewhat smaller amount.

In addition to the debris, we had three large oaks blown over, one of
which is still living, albeit in a generally horizontal position

I live in a Cul-de-Sac with 7 houses. My
house is located at one end and when I needed new roofing replacing
shakes, I chose to go with Rolled steel
tiles coated with ceramic and granules and installed in 2005 by a crew
from Ukraine who
were experienced with this specific tiles. Took about a week. A house at
the other end of
Cul-de-Sac had concrete tiles installed about same time, Now he is
having some problems with some tiles showing hair line cracks and very
minor leaks, our roof is still intact, no problem of any sort so far. It
came with a 50 year transferable guarantee . This tiles are German
origin, been used in all over europe for many years.

I am familiar with them. They are an option. They are made in the US
too.

Concrete/Clay tiles are heavy and it is hung on lattrice interlocking
together.

That's one way. Another way is to use mortar under them (foam too, more
common now). I chose not to use battens because I really hate the thought
of all those nails holding them down...nails which are penetrating the
membrane which is what actually keeps the rain out.

--

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"John Keiser" wrote in message


20 years seems poor service for the Monier roof.

I agree. In fact, I should probably talk to them about it.

I know it is often said "the membrane which is what actually keeps the
rain out" but I question that.
In Hawaii, Monier [generally the flat concrete] tiles were installed per
manufacturer's specs without a membrane for decades and still work well.

OK. Of course, there were also a lot of single wall houses built too ala
Q.C. Lum, Blackfield and numerous others. That's why I never owned a house
during my 40 years in Honolulu...what I could afford I didn't want, what I
wanted I couldn't afford. C'est la vie...

[Spec added membranes only in the 1990's.]
In Europe, Asia, plenty of clay tiled roofs without membranes have
worked
well for centuries.
Not that I would skimp on adding the membrane, but I think a properly
installed tile roof should do the trick without the membrane. I have
seen
issues develope when the house has shifted a bit over the years [common
in
Hawaii], causing the tiles to get out of alignment.

Around here it would
be common to be able to remove, stack on the roof, add a membrane for
extra assurrance and replace with little or no loss of the tiles. Not a
big or expensive job.

That's a good thought and one that had not occured to me. Thank you,
John.

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