JPOST.COM STAFF
07/20/2014 13:18 Full story w/photos at JerusalemPost.com


"The IDF announced on Sunday that it was setting up a field hospital for wounded Palestinians at the Erez border crossing between Israel and the Gaza Strip.

Hospital to begin functioning at 8 p.m.; IDF says will serve mainly women and children and will include a delivery room.

(Photo) Fighting terrorists who move around in ambulances

IDF to hold fire in Gaza's Shejaia *despite Hamas breaking humanitarian truce*.

Meanwhile, dozens of wounded IDF soldiers were brought from the fighting in Gaza to a number of hospitals across Israel on Sunday morning.

Fifteen soldiers were brought to the Rabin Medical Center-Beilinson Campus in Petah Tikva. Four were in serious condition and eleven were in light to moderate condition.

Two lightly injured soldiers were brought to Hadassah University Medical Center in Jerusalem's Ein Kerem.

Three soldiers were brought in moderate condition to Soroka Medical Center in Beersheba. Two others were brought to Soroka with light wounds. Since the ground operation in Gaza began, eleven wounded soldiers have been evacuated to Soroka.

Four wounded soldiers were brought to Sheba Medical Center, Tel Hashomer. Two of the evacuees were in serious condition, one was in serious to moderate condition and another was in moderate condition. Since the beginning of the ground operation twelve soldiers were evacuated to Sheba.

In total, 53 wounded Israeli soldiers have been hospitalized from the fighting in Gaza, Israel Radio reported."

HB

On Sun, 20 Jul 2014 10:23:45 -0700 (PDT), Higgs Boson
wrote:

In total, 53 wounded Israeli soldiers have been hospitalized from the fighting in Gaza, Israel Radio reported."

SO WHAT?! Let them kill everyone of those sons-a-bitches. War wounded
are to be respected.

Being a Jew yourself; have you considered fighting for the IDF?

"you libs"

On Sunday, July 20, 2014 11:18:59 AM UTC-7, Oren wrote:
On Sun, 20 Jul 2014 10:23:45 -0700 (PDT), Higgs Boson

wrote:



In total, 53 wounded Israeli soldiers have been hospitalized from the fighting in Gaza, Israel Radio reported."

SO WHAT?! Let them kill everyone of those sons-a-bitches. War wounded
are to be respected.



Being a Jew yourself; have you considered fighting for the IDF?



"you libs"

How many times have YOU volunteered with the IDF in Israel? (don't bother asking ME how many times I have been Over There...)

HB

On Sun, 20 Jul 2014 11:27:29 -0700 (PDT), Higgs Boson
wrote:

On Sunday, July 20, 2014 11:18:59 AM UTC-7, Oren wrote:
On Sun, 20 Jul 2014 10:23:45 -0700 (PDT), Higgs Boson

wrote:



In total, 53 wounded Israeli soldiers have been hospitalized from the fighting in Gaza, Israel Radio reported."

SO WHAT?! Let them kill everyone of those sons-a-bitches. War wounded
are to be respected.



Being a Jew yourself; have you considered fighting for the IDF?



"you libs"

How many times have YOU volunteered with the IDF in Israel? (don't bother asking ME how many times I have been Over There...)

HB

My question is about your decision to fight with the IDF, along side
of them. Not about your visits in Israel.

"you libs"

Tell us about your experience. Did you serve in American armed forces?
Nope!

"you libs"

On Sunday, July 20, 2014 2:38:05 PM UTC-4, Oren wrote:
On Sun, 20 Jul 2014 11:27:29 -0700 (PDT), Higgs Boson

wrote:



On Sunday, July 20, 2014 11:18:59 AM UTC-7, Oren wrote:

On Sun, 20 Jul 2014 10:23:45 -0700 (PDT), Higgs Boson



wrote:







In total, 53 wounded Israeli soldiers have been hospitalized from the fighting in Gaza, Israel Radio reported."



SO WHAT?! Let them kill everyone of those sons-a-bitches. War wounded

are to be respected.







Being a Jew yourself; have you considered fighting for the IDF?







"you libs"



How many times have YOU volunteered with the IDF in Israel? (don't bother asking ME how many times I have been Over There...)



HB



My question is about your decision to fight with the IDF, along side

of them. Not about your visits in Israel.



"you libs"



Tell us about your experience. Did you serve in American armed forces?

Nope!



"you libs"

I read the post several times and I'm still not sure what exactly the point
was, which side HB is on, etc. Which actually isn't unusual.

On 7/20/2014 2:43 PM, trader_4 wrote:
On Sunday, July 20, 2014 2:38:05 PM UTC-4, Oren wrote:
On Sun, 20 Jul 2014 11:27:29 -0700 (PDT), Higgs Boson

wrote:



On Sunday, July 20, 2014 11:18:59 AM UTC-7, Oren wrote:

On Sun, 20 Jul 2014 10:23:45 -0700 (PDT), Higgs Boson



wrote:







In total, 53 wounded Israeli soldiers have been hospitalized from the fighting in Gaza, Israel Radio reported."



SO WHAT?! Let them kill everyone of those sons-a-bitches. War wounded

are to be respected.







Being a Jew yourself; have you considered fighting for the IDF?







"you libs"



How many times have YOU volunteered with the IDF in Israel? (don't bother asking ME how many times I have been Over There...)



HB



My question is about your decision to fight with the IDF, along side

of them. Not about your visits in Israel.



"you libs"



Tell us about your experience. Did you serve in American armed forces?

Nope!



"you libs"

I read the post several times and I'm still not sure what exactly the point
was, which side HB is on, etc. Which actually isn't unusual.


HB's a stranger to his own mind.

Did you forget your OT in the woefully non-descript subject line?

The largesse of Israelis setting up hospitals to minister to the people they
wounded is close to parent killers saying "have mercy, we're orphans!"

These punishing attacks haven't stopped the rockets in the past. Why would
anyone think they would now?

Israel loses a little more support all over the world whenever it engages in
lop-sided battles against Palestinian civilians. Every child killed gets to
be a martyr for the jihadis.

Israel needs a new strategy because this one is not only not working, it's
working against them.

SH


"Higgs Boson" wrote in message
...
JPOST.COM STAFF
07/20/2014 13:18 Full story w/photos at JerusalemPost.com


"The IDF announced on Sunday that it was setting up a field hospital for
wounded Palestinians at the Erez border crossing between Israel and the Gaza
Strip.

"trader_4" wrote in message news:974cb953-

stuff snipped

I read the post several times and I'm still not sure what exactly the
point
was, which side HB is on, etc. Which actually isn't unusual.

I am guessing that it's to show the Israeli's compassion and their
willingness to treat their enemies' wounds. If so, there are a number of
problems with that assertion. Primarily, if you were a wounded Israeli
soldier, would you want to be treated by a Gazan doctor? Prolly not.

--
Bobby G.

On Sunday, July 20, 2014 11:43:12 AM UTC-7, trader_4 wrote:
On Sunday, July 20, 2014 2:38:05 PM UTC-4, Oren wrote:

On Sun, 20 Jul 2014 11:27:29 -0700 (PDT), Higgs Boson



wrote:







On Sunday, July 20, 2014 11:18:59 AM UTC-7, Oren wrote:



On Sun, 20 Jul 2014 10:23:45 -0700 (PDT), Higgs Boson




wrote:

[...]
I read the post several times and I'm still not sure what exactly the point

was, which side HB is on, etc.

Pointing out that Israel is treating wounded civilians in the midst of hostilities (Jewish ethics) Would Hamas do the same?

HB

On Sunday, July 20, 2014 1:01:30 PM UTC-7, Sherlock.Homes wrote:
Did you forget your OT in the woefully non-descript subject line?

Yes, sorry.



The largesse of Israelis setting up hospitals to minister to the people they

wounded is close to parent killers saying "have mercy, we're orphans!

Not at all. It's Jewish ethics.



These punishing attacks haven't stopped the rockets in the past. Why would

anyone think they would now?

What would YOU do?

Israel loses a little more support all over the world whenever it engages in

lop-sided battles against Palestinian civilians.

Battle is against the fanatic Hamas thugs who place their own people in harm's way. Every child killed gets to be a martyr for the jihadis.

They are very good at milking what the US calls "collateral damage" to appeal to a world which knows only the last 5 minutes of any question, not the 1300 years leading up to now.

There is ample scholarship for those who wish to learn.

HB





Israel needs a new strategy because this one is not only not working, it's

working against them.



SH





"Higgs Boson" wrote in message

...

JPOST.COM STAFF

07/20/2014 13:18 Full story w/photos at JerusalemPost.com





"The IDF announced on Sunday that it was setting up a field hospital for

wounded Palestinians at the Erez border crossing between Israel and the Gaza

Strip.

On 7/20/2014 4:30 PM, Higgs Boson wrote:

Pointing out that Israel is treating wounded
civilians in the midst of hostilities (Jewish
ethics) Would Hamas do the same?

HB


According to Bridgitte Gabriel, no. Much
different, Hamas would kill the wounded
along with shouts of joy.

--
..
Christopher A. Young
Learn about Jesus
www.lds.org
..

On Sunday, July 20, 2014 4:01:30 PM UTC-4, Sherlock.Homes wrote:
Did you forget your OT in the woefully non-descript subject line?



The largesse of Israelis setting up hospitals to minister to the people they

wounded is close to parent killers saying "have mercy, we're orphans!"



These punishing attacks haven't stopped the rockets in the past. Why would

anyone think they would now?


They don't have to stop them for enternity, but they do have to respond.
What would you think an American president and military would do if
terrorists that are in control of the Canadian govt, were firing hundreds
of rockets into the USA? What would we do if they kidnapped 3 American
teenagers, killed them, and the leaders saluted the actions? Please
answer that with a view to 99% of US presidents, the present one, of course,
excepted.




Israel loses a little more support all over the world whenever it engages in

lop-sided battles against Palestinian civilians. Every child killed gets to

be a martyr for the jihadis.



Israel needs a new strategy because this one is not only not working, it's

working against them.


Easy to say, but impossible from a practical standpoint to do. You're
dealing with terrorist fanatics that don't have the values that most of
the civilized world does. They won't even accept the most basic of
steps toward peace, like Israel's right to exist. Israel of course accepts
the right of the Palestinians to exist. And every overture that Israel
has made, eg withdrawing unilaterally from Gaza, has only been met by
more violence and aggression.

On 7/20/2014 8:39 PM, trader_4 wrote:
Easy to say, but impossible from a practical standpoint to do. You're
dealing with terrorist fanatics that don't have the values that most of
the civilized world does. They won't even accept the most basic of
steps toward peace, like Israel's right to exist. Israel of course accepts
the right of the Palestinians to exist. And every overture that Israel
has made, eg withdrawing unilaterally from Gaza, has only been met by
more violence and aggression.


What has worked in the past, with radical Muslims?
Must have been some time in history, which can
provide guidance.

--
..
Christopher A. Young
Learn about Jesus
www.lds.org
..

On 7/20/2014 8:39 PM, trader_4 wrote:
Easy to say, but impossible from a practical standpoint to do. You're
dealing with terrorist fanatics that don't have the values that most of
the civilized world does. They won't even accept the most basic of
steps toward peace, like Israel's right to exist. Israel of course accepts
the right of the Palestinians to exist. And every overture that Israel
has made, eg withdrawing unilaterally from Gaza, has only been met by
more violence and aggression.


I'll admit, that I'm astounded at the level of
restraint Israel has shown. I'm not sure I'm
strong enough to do that.

--
..
Christopher A. Young
Learn about Jesus
www.lds.org
..

On Monday, July 21, 2014 3:59:32 AM UTC-7, Stormin Mormon wrote:
On 7/20/2014 8:39 PM, trader_4 wrote:

Easy to say, but impossible from a practical standpoint to do. You're

dealing with terrorist fanatics that don't have the values that most of

the civilized world does. They won't even accept the most basic of

steps toward peace, like Israel's right to exist. Israel of course accepts

the right of the Palestinians to exist. And every overture that Israel

has made, eg withdrawing unilaterally from Gaza, has only been met by

more violence and aggression.





I'll admit, that I'm astounded at the level of

restraint Israel has shown. I'm not sure I'm

strong enough to do that.

It's very tough on the Israeli leadership. ANYTHING they do is going to meet with condemnation from the conditioned-reflex response of the overt and covert Jew-haters world-wide, esp. our "cousins" the BBC and the Guardian.

Plus internal opposition from the milder, but still incomprehensible Israeli version of the far-far-far-far-Left crazies that abound in every "developed" country and some under-developed. These people, like the extremes on the far-far-far-far-Right, live in their own universe;forget reality.

Considering the 1300-year record of the Arabs fighting each other when they're not invading countries and giving the population the choice of conversion, "dhimmi" status or death,* today's "Dry Bones" cartoon is especially apt.

The establishment of the State of Israel was a mistake.

For hundreds of years the jews lived together with arabs in relative peace.

Now, a hunk of arab land, formerly called "Palestine" was taken from the Palestinians and given to the Jews to form the State of Israel.

And now, the jews live together with the arabs in a state of ongoing warfare where no one is safe, neither soldier nor civilian. And, that situation has persisted for over 50 years now.

There are more cell phones per capita in Israel than in any other country in the world. That's because every time a bomb goes off or a rocket comes down somewhere, everyone is phoning their friends and relatives to check that they're OK.

How much more blood needs to be spilled before we recognize that the formation of the state of Israel by taking land from the Palestinians was a mistake, and the best option for all concerned would be a return to the situation that existed before WWII, where jews were a people without a country just like gypsies. Jews thrived in Europe and America without a homeland, but it is true that they were persecuted in eastern Europe. In Eastern Europe, jews were not allowed to own land, and as a result, they had to learn skills and trades to make a living, instead of farm. What was seen as a hindrance turned out to be a blessing because Jewish tradesmen would teach their sons and daughters their trades, and those children became very successful selling their skills to non-Jews.

The problem is that the more settlements Israel builds, the more infrastructure they stand to lose by returning that land to the Palestinians.

On Monday, July 21, 2014 2:27:32 PM UTC-4, nestork wrote:
The establishment of the State of Israel was a mistake.



For hundreds of years the jews lived together with arabs in relative

peace.



Now, a hunk of arab land, formerly called "Palestine" was taken from the

Palestinians and given to the Jews to form the State of Israel.



And now, the jews live together with the arabs in a state of ongoing

warfare where no one is safe, neither soldier nor civilian. And, that

situation has persisted for over 50 years now.



There are more cell phones per capita in Israel than in any other

country in the world. That's because every time a bomb goes off or a

rocket comes down somewhere, everyone is phoning their friends and

relatives to check that they're OK.



How much more blood needs to be spilled before we recognize that the

formation of the state of Israel by taking land from the Palestinians

was a mistake, and the best option for all concerned would be a return

to the situation that existed before WWII, where jews were a people

without a country just like gypsies.

Most of the Jews came to Israel because they were discriminated against or
kicked out of Europe, even before WWII. The you had WWII and the European countries,
instead of assimilating them in the aftermath, they were very happy to
see the Jews go to Israel. And you can't blame the Jews for not wanting to
live in Germany or other parts of Europe where their parents were shoved into
ovens. So, with more Jews arriving in Israel, the UN saw fit to make it a
state. I believe it was actually the USSR that introduced the resolution.

LEt's say we accept your premise, that it was a mistake made 70 years ago.
How in the world do you expect to return to the situation that existed prior
to 1947? You have generations of Israeli citizens that have been born and grew
up in Israel. By what method do you expect to get these people who have never lived in Germany, Poland, Czech Republic, etc to go live there?

Good grief. Might as well say what happened to the Indians was a mistake
and we should turn the USA back over now. And just like the Jews, where
exactly would we all go?

On 07/21/2014 03:40 PM, trader_4 wrote:
On Monday, July 21, 2014 2:27:32 PM UTC-4, nestork wrote:
The establishment of the State of Israel was a mistake.



For hundreds of years the jews lived together with arabs in relative

peace.



Now, a hunk of arab land, formerly called "Palestine" was taken from the

Palestinians and given to the Jews to form the State of Israel.



And now, the jews live together with the arabs in a state of ongoing

warfare where no one is safe, neither soldier nor civilian. And, that

situation has persisted for over 50 years now.



There are more cell phones per capita in Israel than in any other

country in the world. That's because every time a bomb goes off or a

rocket comes down somewhere, everyone is phoning their friends and

relatives to check that they're OK.



How much more blood needs to be spilled before we recognize that the

formation of the state of Israel by taking land from the Palestinians

was a mistake, and the best option for all concerned would be a return

to the situation that existed before WWII, where jews were a people

without a country just like gypsies.

Most of the Jews came to Israel because they were discriminated against or
kicked out of Europe, even before WWII. The you had WWII and the European countries,
instead of assimilating them in the aftermath, they were very happy to
see the Jews go to Israel. And you can't blame the Jews for not wanting to
live in Germany or other parts of Europe where their parents were shoved into
ovens. So, with more Jews arriving in Israel, the UN saw fit to make it a
state. I believe it was actually the USSR that introduced the resolution.

LEt's say we accept your premise, that it was a mistake made 70 years ago.
How in the world do you expect to return to the situation that existed prior
to 1947? You have generations of Israeli citizens that have been born and grew
up in Israel. By what method do you expect to get these people who have never lived in Germany, Poland, Czech Republic, etc to go live there?

Good grief. Might as well say what happened to the Indians was a mistake
and we should turn the USA back over now. And just like the Jews, where
exactly would we all go?


Hi Trader_4,

1+

They literally had no where else to go.

-T

I agree that returning the situation to a pre-WWII situation would be darn near impossible. Jews have invested their lives in Israel; they've built houses there, they've cultivated the land and turned it into orchards, they've invested in the infrastructure there by providing good roads, clean water supplies and a modern sewer system. To simply say, "OK, that's it. You're all going back where you came. Drop the keys to your houses, shops and factories in the mail box when you leave." is something that's just isn't going to happen.

The result is that after 70 years, you have people who have built their homes there, established businesses there and have grown "roots" there. And that makes it more difficult to change the status quo with every generation that passes.

But, the bottom line here is that just because there doesn't seem to be any way out of this mess, it doesn't make it any less of a mistake. Had Eisenhower known what was going to happen over the course of the next 70 years, he'd stand shoulder to shoulder with me in saying that establishing that country of Israel by taking land from the Palestinians and giving it to the Jews was a great big mistake. As long as there is a Koran that calls upon all muslims to help in defending and protecting every other muslim from agression by a non-believer, and as long as there are muslims that abide by the word of the Koran, there will be war in the mid-East to force the non-believers out of Palestine. Who can say that establishing a nation of non-believers by taking land away from muslims in a muslim part of the world wasn't going to go down well with the muslims? It was a great big mistake.