I recently have learned of the closing of 'The Scooter Store',
stopping the sale of its battery-powered motorized chairs.
Wouldn't you know, we have one. And wouldn't you know, it has stopped
running. Seems the batteries will no longer take a charge from the
supplied charger, and probably are dead, needing replacement.

I have contacted a so-called 'Precision Repair Network' at
http://www.precisionrepairnetwork.co...on-status.html
in an attempt to get the chair repaired (batteries replaced), but even
though their response was positive, and they indicated they would get
back to me, they have not.

The dormant chair is no longer of any use to my handicapped wife of
course. Has anyone out there had similar trouble? Or maybe can
suggest something for me to do? Maybe I can change the two batteries
myself, if I could find a source? Anyone had any luck in that area?

Thanks for your time.

Wei

wrote in message
...

I recently have learned of the closing of 'The Scooter Store',
stopping the sale of its battery-powered motorized chairs.
Wouldn't you know, we have one. And wouldn't you know, it has stopped
running. Seems the batteries will no longer take a charge from the
supplied charger, and probably are dead, needing replacement.

Most N.American cities of 1 million population support
at least one specialist battery store, which can usually
provide replacement batteries for anything from a hearing
aid to a battleship.
--
Don Phillipson
Carlsbad Springs
(Ottawa, Canada)

On 6/26/14, 4:42 AM, wrote:
I recently have learned of the closing of 'The Scooter Store',
stopping the sale of its battery-powered motorized chairs.
Wouldn't you know, we have one. And wouldn't you know, it has stopped
running. Seems the batteries will no longer take a charge from the
supplied charger, and probably are dead, needing replacement.

I have contacted a so-called 'Precision Repair Network' at
http://www.precisionrepairnetwork.co...on-status.html
in an attempt to get the chair repaired (batteries replaced), but even
though their response was positive, and they indicated they would get
back to me, they have not.

The dormant chair is no longer of any use to my handicapped wife of
course. Has anyone out there had similar trouble? Or maybe can
suggest something for me to do? Maybe I can change the two batteries
myself, if I could find a source? Anyone had any luck in that area?

Thanks for your time.

Wei

I wonder if primecell would be any help. They rebuild batteries.
There is also something called mto battery.

On Thu, 26 Jun 2014 06:45:41 -0500, Dean Hoffman
" wrote:

On 6/26/14, 4:42 AM, wrote:
I recently have learned of the closing of 'The Scooter Store',
stopping the sale of its battery-powered motorized chairs.
Wouldn't you know, we have one. And wouldn't you know, it has stopped
running. Seems the batteries will no longer take a charge from the
supplied charger, and probably are dead, needing replacement.

I have contacted a so-called 'Precision Repair Network' at
http://www.precisionrepairnetwork.co...on-status.html
in an attempt to get the chair repaired (batteries replaced), but even
though their response was positive, and they indicated they would get
back to me, they have not.

The dormant chair is no longer of any use to my handicapped wife of
course. Has anyone out there had similar trouble? Or maybe can
suggest something for me to do? Maybe I can change the two batteries
myself, if I could find a source? Anyone had any luck in that area?

Thanks for your time.

Wei

I wonder if primecell would be any help. They rebuild batteries.
There is also something called mto battery.


Thanks all. I do wonder tho, if the charger is any good. My meter
seems to show zero output but that may mean nothing since there was np
load.

I'll check the battery info you guys supplied/

Wei

On Thursday, June 26, 2014 10:10:33 AM UTC-4, wrote:
On Thu, 26 Jun 2014 06:45:41 -0500, Dean Hoffman

" wrote:



On 6/26/14, 4:42 AM, wrote:

I recently have learned of the closing of 'The Scooter Store',

stopping the sale of its battery-powered motorized chairs.

Wouldn't you know, we have one. And wouldn't you know, it has stopped

running. Seems the batteries will no longer take a charge from the

supplied charger, and probably are dead, needing replacement.



I have contacted a so-called 'Precision Repair Network' at

http://www.precisionrepairnetwork.co...on-status.html

in an attempt to get the chair repaired (batteries replaced), but even

though their response was positive, and they indicated they would get

back to me, they have not.



The dormant chair is no longer of any use to my handicapped wife of

course. Has anyone out there had similar trouble? Or maybe can

suggest something for me to do? Maybe I can change the two batteries

myself, if I could find a source? Anyone had any luck in that area?



Thanks for your time.



Wei



I wonder if primecell would be any help. They rebuild batteries.

There is also something called mto battery.





Thanks all. I do wonder tho, if the charger is any good. My meter

seems to show zero output but that may mean nothing since there was np

load.



I'll check the battery info you guys supplied/



Wei

Some "smart" chargers do not charge if they don't sense that a battery is connected. I've had that cause problems for me with totally dead batteries.

I'm inclined to think that any combination of deep cycle batteries that result in the correct voltage and you can fit in the space will work.

"Dean Hoffman " wrote:
On 6/26/14, 4:42 AM, wrote:
I recently have learned of the closing of 'The Scooter Store',
stopping the sale of its battery-powered motorized chairs.
Wouldn't you know, we have one. And wouldn't you know, it has stopped
running. Seems the batteries will no longer take a charge from the
supplied charger, and probably are dead, needing replacement.

I have contacted a so-called 'Precision Repair Network' at
http://www.precisionrepairnetwork.co...on-status.html
in an attempt to get the chair repaired (batteries replaced), but even
though their response was positive, and they indicated they would get
back to me, they have not.

The dormant chair is no longer of any use to my handicapped wife of
course. Has anyone out there had similar trouble? Or maybe can
suggest something for me to do? Maybe I can change the two batteries
myself, if I could find a source? Anyone had any luck in that area?

Thanks for your time.

Wei

I wonder if primecell would be any help. They rebuild batteries.
There is also something called mto battery.
Hi,
Look at his email address, Is he in Taiwan? First we have find out
whether it is charging or battery problem.

On 6/26/2014 5:42 AM, wrote:
I recently have learned of the closing of 'The Scooter Store',
stopping the sale of its battery-powered motorized chairs.
Wouldn't you know, we have one. And wouldn't you know, it has stopped
running. Seems the batteries will no longer take a charge from the
supplied charger, and probably are dead, needing replacement.

I have contacted a so-called 'Precision Repair Network' at
http://www.precisionrepairnetwork.co...on-status.html
in an attempt to get the chair repaired (batteries replaced), but even
though their response was positive, and they indicated they would get
back to me, they have not.

The dormant chair is no longer of any use to my handicapped wife of
course. Has anyone out there had similar trouble? Or maybe can
suggest something for me to do? Maybe I can change the two batteries
myself, if I could find a source? Anyone had any luck in that area?

Thanks for your time.

Wei


Since most of us have never had reason to dig into one of these machines,
telling us what sort of battery pack it uses would be quite helpful. What
is the voltage? Is a current capacity shown? What markings are on the
outside? Can you post a photo somewhere?

If they are sealed lead-acid batteries (which I suspect) then there are
only a certain number of sizes and terminal configurations and all of them
are available online from various suppliers. If the battery packs are
Nickle-Cadmium or Nickel metal hydride then some rebuilding service will
probably be your best bet -- the cells that make up the battery packs come
in a limited number of sizes and any decent rebuild shop will have or have
access to all of them. Of course, if the charger is not working having good
battery packs won't help much so, if you can't check out the charger
yourself, some outside help might be called for. Some of the more
intelligent chargers demand that they be connected to the proper load
before they will do anything.

On Thu, 26 Jun 2014 09:25:59 -0600, Tony Hwang
wrote:

"Dean Hoffman " wrote:
On 6/26/14, 4:42 AM, wrote:
I recently have learned of the closing of 'The Scooter Store',
stopping the sale of its battery-powered motorized chairs.
Wouldn't you know, we have one. And wouldn't you know, it has stopped
running. Seems the batteries will no longer take a charge from the
supplied charger, and probably are dead, needing replacement.

I have contacted a so-called 'Precision Repair Network' at
http://www.precisionrepairnetwork.co...on-status.html
in an attempt to get the chair repaired (batteries replaced), but even
though their response was positive, and they indicated they would get
back to me, they have not.

The dormant chair is no longer of any use to my handicapped wife of
course. Has anyone out there had similar trouble? Or maybe can
suggest something for me to do? Maybe I can change the two batteries
myself, if I could find a source? Anyone had any luck in that area?

Thanks for your time.

Wei

I wonder if primecell would be any help. They rebuild batteries.
There is also something called mto battery.
Hi,
Look at his email address, Is he in Taiwan? First we have find out
whether it is charging or battery problem.


Good catch! I confess this OP is a Mandarin-speaking US caucasian.
Full name Wei-Lien-Shi. How 'bout that?

Anyhow - I can't locate my manual for this power chair, but
examination of the tags/labels tells me it is a Pride Mobility
Products model TSS300 (actual model # AE244000 or A24030-9C).
Its motor is tagged 24UDC. The batteries seem to be labelled model
BATLIQ1017, and are 5"W X 7"L X 6"H . I assume they are 12V.

I have found what seems to be the cheapest battery at
http://www.amazon.com/Pride-TSS-300-.../dp/B009DKFSQY

Can you tell me what NB terminals are? My chair's battery posts are
90 degrees different that those in the pic. But the cables might be
long enuff.

And a possible charger at
http://www.amazon.com/ELEASMB5713-EL.../dp/B00H950SSI

But my charger might turn out to be okay, once I get good batteries.

Hsieh-hsieh (thanks)
Wei

On Thu, 26 Jun 2014 14:38:26 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 26 Jun 2014 09:25:59 -0600, Tony Hwang
wrote:

"Dean Hoffman " wrote:
On 6/26/14, 4:42 AM, wrote:
I recently have learned of the closing of 'The Scooter Store',
stopping the sale of its battery-powered motorized chairs.
Wouldn't you know, we have one. And wouldn't you know, it has stopped
running. Seems the batteries will no longer take a charge from the
supplied charger, and probably are dead, needing replacement.

I have contacted a so-called 'Precision Repair Network' at
http://www.precisionrepairnetwork.co...on-status.html
in an attempt to get the chair repaired (batteries replaced), but even
though their response was positive, and they indicated they would get
back to me, they have not.

The dormant chair is no longer of any use to my handicapped wife of
course. Has anyone out there had similar trouble? Or maybe can
suggest something for me to do? Maybe I can change the two batteries
myself, if I could find a source? Anyone had any luck in that area?

Thanks for your time.

Wei

I wonder if primecell would be any help. They rebuild batteries.
There is also something called mto battery.
Hi,
Look at his email address, Is he in Taiwan? First we have find out
whether it is charging or battery problem.


Good catch! I confess this OP is a Mandarin-speaking US caucasian.
Full name Wei-Lien-Shi. How 'bout that?

Anyhow - I can't locate my manual for this power chair, but
examination of the tags/labels tells me it is a Pride Mobility
Products model TSS300 (actual model # AE244000 or A24030-9C).
Its motor is tagged 24UDC. The batteries seem to be labelled model
BATLIQ1017, and are 5"W X 7"L X 6"H . I assume they are 12V.

I have found what seems to be the cheapest battery at
http://www.amazon.com/Pride-TSS-300-.../dp/B009DKFSQY

Can you tell me what NB terminals are? My chair's battery posts are
90 degrees different that those in the pic. But the cables might be
long enuff.

And a possible charger at
http://www.amazon.com/ELEASMB5713-EL.../dp/B00H950SSI

But my charger might turn out to be okay, once I get good batteries.

Hsieh-hsieh (thanks)
Wei

PS
I found the manual at

http://lib.store.yahoo.net/lib/used-...pdf-manual.pdf

and printed it.


Hsieh-hsieh (thanks)
Wei

On 6/26/2014 2:42 AM, wrote:
I recently have learned of the closing of 'The Scooter Store',
stopping the sale of its battery-powered motorized chairs.
Wouldn't you know, we have one. And wouldn't you know, it has stopped
running. Seems the batteries will no longer take a charge from the
supplied charger, and probably are dead, needing replacement.

I have contacted a so-called 'Precision Repair Network' at
http://www.precisionrepairnetwork.co...on-status.html
in an attempt to get the chair repaired (batteries replaced), but even
though their response was positive, and they indicated they would get
back to me, they have not.

The dormant chair is no longer of any use to my handicapped wife of
course. Has anyone out there had similar trouble? Or maybe can
suggest something for me to do? Maybe I can change the two batteries
myself, if I could find a source? Anyone had any luck in that area?

Thanks for your time.

Since the scooter almost certainly uses Sealed Lead Acid batteries, you
can buy these from a number of resellers.
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00BUH0OC6/

Look for a place with free shipping.

Check that the charger is putting out current as well.

wrote:
On Thu, 26 Jun 2014 09:25:59 -0600, Tony Hwang
wrote:

"Dean Hoffman " wrote:
On 6/26/14, 4:42 AM, wrote:
I recently have learned of the closing of 'The Scooter Store',
stopping the sale of its battery-powered motorized chairs.
Wouldn't you know, we have one. And wouldn't you know, it has stopped
running. Seems the batteries will no longer take a charge from the
supplied charger, and probably are dead, needing replacement.

I have contacted a so-called 'Precision Repair Network' at
http://www.precisionrepairnetwork.co...on-status.html
in an attempt to get the chair repaired (batteries replaced), but even
though their response was positive, and they indicated they would get
back to me, they have not.

The dormant chair is no longer of any use to my handicapped wife of
course. Has anyone out there had similar trouble? Or maybe can
suggest something for me to do? Maybe I can change the two batteries
myself, if I could find a source? Anyone had any luck in that area?

Thanks for your time.

Wei

I wonder if primecell would be any help. They rebuild batteries.
There is also something called mto battery.
Hi,
Look at his email address, Is he in Taiwan? First we have find out
whether it is charging or battery problem.


Good catch! I confess this OP is a Mandarin-speaking US caucasian.
Full name Wei-Lien-Shi. How 'bout that?

Anyhow - I can't locate my manual for this power chair, but
examination of the tags/labels tells me it is a Pride Mobility
Products model TSS300 (actual model # AE244000 or A24030-9C).
Its motor is tagged 24UDC. The batteries seem to be labelled model
BATLIQ1017, and are 5"W X 7"L X 6"H . I assume they are 12V.

I have found what seems to be the cheapest battery at
http://www.amazon.com/Pride-TSS-300-.../dp/B009DKFSQY

Can you tell me what NB terminals are? My chair's battery posts are
90 degrees different that those in the pic. But the cables might be
long enuff.

And a possible charger at
http://www.amazon.com/ELEASMB5713-EL.../dp/B00H950SSI

But my charger might turn out to be okay, once I get good batteries.

Hsieh-hsieh (thanks)
Wei

��?!
If I were you, I'd take the batteries out or disconnect the terminals
and try to charge them with another battery charger. What's the voltage
on them? Two batteries in series or parallel wired?

Tony Hwang wrote:
wrote:
On Thu, 26 Jun 2014 09:25:59 -0600, Tony Hwang
wrote:

"Dean Hoffman " wrote:
On 6/26/14, 4:42 AM, wrote:
I recently have learned of the closing of 'The Scooter Store',
stopping the sale of its battery-powered motorized chairs.
Wouldn't you know, we have one. And wouldn't you know, it has stopped
running. Seems the batteries will no longer take a charge from the
supplied charger, and probably are dead, needing replacement.

I have contacted a so-called 'Precision Repair Network' at
http://www.precisionrepairnetwork.co...on-status.html
in an attempt to get the chair repaired (batteries replaced), but even
though their response was positive, and they indicated they would get
back to me, they have not.

The dormant chair is no longer of any use to my handicapped wife of
course. Has anyone out there had similar trouble? Or maybe can
suggest something for me to do? Maybe I can change the two batteries
myself, if I could find a source? Anyone had any luck in that area?

Thanks for your time.

Wei

I wonder if primecell would be any help. They rebuild batteries.
There is also something called mto battery.
Hi,
Look at his email address, Is he in Taiwan? First we have find out
whether it is charging or battery problem.


Good catch! I confess this OP is a Mandarin-speaking US caucasian.
Full name Wei-Lien-Shi. How 'bout that?

Anyhow - I can't locate my manual for this power chair, but
examination of the tags/labels tells me it is a Pride Mobility
Products model TSS300 (actual model # AE244000 or A24030-9C).
Its motor is tagged 24UDC. The batteries seem to be labelled model
BATLIQ1017, and are 5"W X 7"L X 6"H . I assume they are 12V.

I have found what seems to be the cheapest battery at
http://www.amazon.com/Pride-TSS-300-.../dp/B009DKFSQY

Can you tell me what NB terminals are? My chair's battery posts are
90 degrees different that those in the pic. But the cables might be
long enuff.

And a possible charger at
http://www.amazon.com/ELEASMB5713-EL.../dp/B00H950SSI


But my charger might turn out to be okay, once I get good batteries.

Hsieh-hsieh (thanks)
Wei

��?!
If I were you, I'd take the batteries out or disconnect the terminals
and try to charge them with another battery charger. What's the voltage
on them? Two batteries in series or parallel wired?

Hi,
NB terminal means type of terminal w/o binding, clip on type.

On Thursday, June 26, 2014 3:49:53 PM UTC-4, Tony Hwang wrote:
Tony Hwang wrote:

wrote:

On Thu, 26 Jun 2014 09:25:59 -0600, Tony Hwang

wrote:



"Dean Hoffman " wrote:

On 6/26/14, 4:42 AM, wrote:

I recently have learned of the closing of 'The Scooter Store',

stopping the sale of its battery-powered motorized chairs.

Wouldn't you know, we have one. And wouldn't you know, it has stopped

running. Seems the batteries will no longer take a charge from the

supplied charger, and probably are dead, needing replacement.



I have contacted a so-called 'Precision Repair Network' at

http://www.precisionrepairnetwork.co...on-status.html

in an attempt to get the chair repaired (batteries replaced), but even

though their response was positive, and they indicated they would get

back to me, they have not.



The dormant chair is no longer of any use to my handicapped wife of

course. Has anyone out there had similar trouble? Or maybe can

suggest something for me to do? Maybe I can change the two batteries

myself, if I could find a source? Anyone had any luck in that area?



Thanks for your time.



Wei



I wonder if primecell would be any help. They rebuild batteries.

There is also something called mto battery.

Hi,

Look at his email address, Is he in Taiwan? First we have find out

whether it is charging or battery problem.





Good catch! I confess this OP is a Mandarin-speaking US caucasian.

Full name Wei-Lien-Shi. How 'bout that?



Anyhow - I can't locate my manual for this power chair, but

examination of the tags/labels tells me it is a Pride Mobility

Products model TSS300 (actual model # AE244000 or A24030-9C).

Its motor is tagged 24UDC. The batteries seem to be labelled model

BATLIQ1017, and are 5"W X 7"L X 6"H . I assume they are 12V.



I have found what seems to be the cheapest battery at

http://www.amazon.com/Pride-TSS-300-.../dp/B009DKFSQY



Can you tell me what NB terminals are? My chair's battery posts are

90 degrees different that those in the pic. But the cables might be

long enuff.



And a possible charger at

http://www.amazon.com/ELEASMB5713-EL.../dp/B00H950SSI





But my charger might turn out to be okay, once I get good batteries.



Hsieh-hsieh (thanks)

Wei



��?!

If I were you, I'd take the batteries out or disconnect the terminals

and try to charge them with another battery charger. What's the voltage

on them? Two batteries in series or parallel wired?



Hi,

NB terminal means type of terminal w/o binding, clip on type.

All these typically use some number of batteries in series. The controllers and chargers are pretty common across a lot of these units. They tend to be 24, 36, or 48 volt set ups. Also similar to stuff found in electric golf carts. I agree about charging the batteries directly, you can charge the individual batteries one at a time. I would disconnect a lead before doing that.

On Thu, 26 Jun 2014 13:44:59 -0600, Tony Hwang
wrote:

wrote:
On Thu, 26 Jun 2014 09:25:59 -0600, Tony Hwang
wrote:

"Dean Hoffman " wrote:
On 6/26/14, 4:42 AM, wrote:
I recently have learned of the closing of 'The Scooter Store',
stopping the sale of its battery-powered motorized chairs.
Wouldn't you know, we have one. And wouldn't you know, it has stopped
running. Seems the batteries will no longer take a charge from the
supplied charger, and probably are dead, needing replacement.

I have contacted a so-called 'Precision Repair Network' at
http://www.precisionrepairnetwork.co...on-status.html
in an attempt to get the chair repaired (batteries replaced), but even
though their response was positive, and they indicated they would get
back to me, they have not.

The dormant chair is no longer of any use to my handicapped wife of
course. Has anyone out there had similar trouble? Or maybe can
suggest something for me to do? Maybe I can change the two batteries
myself, if I could find a source? Anyone had any luck in that area?

Thanks for your time.

Wei

I wonder if primecell would be any help. They rebuild batteries.
There is also something called mto battery.
Hi,
Look at his email address, Is he in Taiwan? First we have find out
whether it is charging or battery problem.


Good catch! I confess this OP is a Mandarin-speaking US caucasian.
Full name Wei-Lien-Shi. How 'bout that?

Anyhow - I can't locate my manual for this power chair, but
examination of the tags/labels tells me it is a Pride Mobility
Products model TSS300 (actual model # AE244000 or A24030-9C).
Its motor is tagged 24UDC. The batteries seem to be labelled model
BATLIQ1017, and are 5"W X 7"L X 6"H . I assume they are 12V.

I have found what seems to be the cheapest battery at
http://www.amazon.com/Pride-TSS-300-.../dp/B009DKFSQY

Can you tell me what NB terminals are? My chair's battery posts are
90 degrees different that those in the pic. But the cables might be
long enuff.

And a possible charger at
http://www.amazon.com/ELEASMB5713-EL.../dp/B00H950SSI

But my charger might turn out to be okay, once I get good batteries.

Hsieh-hsieh (thanks)
Wei

???!
If I were you, I'd take the batteries out or disconnect the terminals
and try to charge them with another battery charger. What's the voltage
on them? Two batteries in series or parallel wired?


Series I think (24V from two 12V).

Wei

On Thu, 26 Jun 2014 13:49:53 -0600, Tony Hwang
wrote:

Tony Hwang wrote:
wrote:
On Thu, 26 Jun 2014 09:25:59 -0600, Tony Hwang
wrote:

"Dean Hoffman " wrote:
On 6/26/14, 4:42 AM, wrote:
I recently have learned of the closing of 'The Scooter Store',
stopping the sale of its battery-powered motorized chairs.
Wouldn't you know, we have one. And wouldn't you know, it has stopped
running. Seems the batteries will no longer take a charge from the
supplied charger, and probably are dead, needing replacement.

I have contacted a so-called 'Precision Repair Network' at
http://www.precisionrepairnetwork.co...on-status.html
in an attempt to get the chair repaired (batteries replaced), but even
though their response was positive, and they indicated they would get
back to me, they have not.

The dormant chair is no longer of any use to my handicapped wife of
course. Has anyone out there had similar trouble? Or maybe can
suggest something for me to do? Maybe I can change the two batteries
myself, if I could find a source? Anyone had any luck in that area?

Thanks for your time.

Wei

I wonder if primecell would be any help. They rebuild batteries.
There is also something called mto battery.
Hi,
Look at his email address, Is he in Taiwan? First we have find out
whether it is charging or battery problem.


Good catch! I confess this OP is a Mandarin-speaking US caucasian.
Full name Wei-Lien-Shi. How 'bout that?

Anyhow - I can't locate my manual for this power chair, but
examination of the tags/labels tells me it is a Pride Mobility
Products model TSS300 (actual model # AE244000 or A24030-9C).
Its motor is tagged 24UDC. The batteries seem to be labelled model
BATLIQ1017, and are 5"W X 7"L X 6"H . I assume they are 12V.

I have found what seems to be the cheapest battery at
http://www.amazon.com/Pride-TSS-300-.../dp/B009DKFSQY

Can you tell me what NB terminals are? My chair's battery posts are
90 degrees different that those in the pic. But the cables might be
long enuff.

And a possible charger at
http://www.amazon.com/ELEASMB5713-EL.../dp/B00H950SSI


But my charger might turn out to be okay, once I get good batteries.

Hsieh-hsieh (thanks)
Wei

???!
If I were you, I'd take the batteries out or disconnect the terminals
and try to charge them with another battery charger. What's the voltage
on them? Two batteries in series or parallel wired?

Hi,
NB terminal means type of terminal w/o binding, clip on type.

Oh

On Thu, 26 Jun 2014 14:21:25 -0700 (PDT), jamesgang
wrote:




Hi,

NB terminal means type of terminal w/o binding, clip on type.

All these typically use some number of batteries in series. The controllers and chargers are pretty common across a lot of these units. They tend to be 24, 36, or 48 volt set ups. Also similar to stuff found in electric golf carts. I agree about charging the batteries directly, you can charge the individual batteries one at a time. I would disconnect a lead before doing that.


I was thinking - Can't I remove the two supposedly dead batteries from
the chair and try charging them individually with my car 12V charger?
That would tell me whether they will hold a charge wouldn't it?

Wei

wrote:
On Thu, 26 Jun 2014 13:44:59 -0600, Tony Hwang
wrote:

wrote:
On Thu, 26 Jun 2014 09:25:59 -0600, Tony Hwang
wrote:

"Dean Hoffman " wrote:
On 6/26/14, 4:42 AM, wrote:
I recently have learned of the closing of 'The Scooter Store',
stopping the sale of its battery-powered motorized chairs.
Wouldn't you know, we have one. And wouldn't you know, it has stopped
running. Seems the batteries will no longer take a charge from the
supplied charger, and probably are dead, needing replacement.

I have contacted a so-called 'Precision Repair Network' at
http://www.precisionrepairnetwork.co...on-status.html
in an attempt to get the chair repaired (batteries replaced), but even
though their response was positive, and they indicated they would get
back to me, they have not.

The dormant chair is no longer of any use to my handicapped wife of
course. Has anyone out there had similar trouble? Or maybe can
suggest something for me to do? Maybe I can change the two batteries
myself, if I could find a source? Anyone had any luck in that area?

Thanks for your time.

Wei

I wonder if primecell would be any help. They rebuild batteries.
There is also something called mto battery.
Hi,
Look at his email address, Is he in Taiwan? First we have find out
whether it is charging or battery problem.


Good catch! I confess this OP is a Mandarin-speaking US caucasian.
Full name Wei-Lien-Shi. How 'bout that?

Anyhow - I can't locate my manual for this power chair, but
examination of the tags/labels tells me it is a Pride Mobility
Products model TSS300 (actual model # AE244000 or A24030-9C).
Its motor is tagged 24UDC. The batteries seem to be labelled model
BATLIQ1017, and are 5"W X 7"L X 6"H . I assume they are 12V.

I have found what seems to be the cheapest battery at
http://www.amazon.com/Pride-TSS-300-.../dp/B009DKFSQY

Can you tell me what NB terminals are? My chair's battery posts are
90 degrees different that those in the pic. But the cables might be
long enuff.

And a possible charger at
http://www.amazon.com/ELEASMB5713-EL.../dp/B00H950SSI

But my charger might turn out to be okay, once I get good batteries.

Hsieh-hsieh (thanks)
Wei

???!
If I were you, I'd take the batteries out or disconnect the terminals
and try to charge them with another battery charger. What's the voltage
on them? Two batteries in series or parallel wired?


Series I think (24V from two 12V).

Wei

Hi,
They may be both bad or only one is bad.

On 6/26/2014 6:55 PM, wrote:

I was thinking - Can't I remove the two supposedly dead batteries from
the chair and try charging them individually with my car 12V charger?
That would tell me whether they will hold a charge wouldn't it?

Wei


Yes, I certainly would do that.

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On Thu, 26 Jun 2014 22:02:24 -0400, Stormin Mormon
wrote:

On 6/26/2014 6:55 PM, wrote:

I was thinking - Can't I remove the two supposedly dead batteries from
the chair and try charging them individually with my car 12V charger?
That would tell me whether they will hold a charge wouldn't it?

Wei


Yes, I certainly would do that.

Let ya know

Wei

On Thursday, June 26, 2014 6:55:37 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Thu, 26 Jun 2014 14:21:25 -0700 (PDT), jamesgang

wrote:









Hi,



NB terminal means type of terminal w/o binding, clip on type.



All these typically use some number of batteries in series. The controllers and chargers are pretty common across a lot of these units. They tend to be 24, 36, or 48 volt set ups. Also similar to stuff found in electric golf carts. I agree about charging the batteries directly, you can charge the individual batteries one at a time. I would disconnect a lead before doing that.





I was thinking - Can't I remove the two supposedly dead batteries from

the chair and try charging them individually with my car 12V charger?

That would tell me whether they will hold a charge wouldn't it?



Wei

You don't have to remove them, just disconnect the positive leads.

On 06/26/14 05:42 am, wrote:

I recently have learned of the closing of 'The Scooter Store',
stopping the sale of its battery-powered motorized chairs.
Wouldn't you know, we have one. And wouldn't you know, it has stopped
running. Seems the batteries will no longer take a charge from the
supplied charger, and probably are dead, needing replacement.

I have contacted a so-called 'Precision Repair Network' at
http://www.precisionrepairnetwork.co...on-status.html
in an attempt to get the chair repaired (batteries replaced), but even
though their response was positive, and they indicated they would get
back to me, they have not.

The dormant chair is no longer of any use to my handicapped wife of
course. Has anyone out there had similar trouble? Or maybe can
suggest something for me to do? Maybe I can change the two batteries
myself, if I could find a source? Anyone had any luck in that area?

Thanks for your time.

I think The Scooter Store might have been one of those outfits that was
always advertising "free" scooters on TV -- not free to Medicare, of
course -- and the Feds finally caught up with them for over-billing and
for providing scooters to people who didn't really need them; perhaps
they had some less-than-ethical physicians on the payroll too.

Try here for replacement batteries:

http://www.chromebattery.com/wheelchair-batteries.html

I've bought replacement batteries for uninterruptible power supplies
from them. No problems so far.

Perce

On Fri, 27 Jun 2014 05:52:05 -0700 (PDT), jamesgang
wrote:


I was thinking - Can't I remove the two supposedly dead batteries from

the chair and try charging them individually with my car 12V charger?

That would tell me whether they will hold a charge wouldn't it?



Wei

You don't have to remove them, just disconnect the positive leads.


I removed the two batteries and put them on charge individually with
my 12V 10A car charger. The max charge I can get on each was
something like 6.7V and 7.8V. I put them back into the chair and
connected the wiring and tested the voltage across both batteries, and
got 14.6V. Sounds like what I should expect.

I connected the charger that came with the chair and connected it to
the chair, and found the voltage across both batteries is 27.2V Sounds
reasonable. Since before I could get no reading in this mode, I think
I can now assume that was because the batteries were completely dead,
and that probably my charger is really okay. Another thing, the chair
now at least responds to the controller, if only to flash red and
yellow. Nothing more. No chair movement of course.

I am leaving the charger connected to the chair for a while to see if
the battery voltage increases. I'm betting it won't, and that I
should probably just get two new batteries. That 14.6V is simply not
enuff to do anything.

Agree?

Thanks

Wei

wrote:
On Fri, 27 Jun 2014 05:52:05 -0700 (PDT), jamesgang
wrote:


I was thinking - Can't I remove the two supposedly dead batteries from

the chair and try charging them individually with my car 12V charger?

That would tell me whether they will hold a charge wouldn't it?



Wei

You don't have to remove them, just disconnect the positive leads.


I removed the two batteries and put them on charge individually with
my 12V 10A car charger. The max charge I can get on each was
something like 6.7V and 7.8V. I put them back into the chair and

Hi,
Is it 6.7V and 7.8V? or 6.7A and 7.8A? if it was really voltage reading
that means battery some battery cell(s) are shot. That's why voltage
reading is lot less than 12V. If it were Ampere reading when charging is
complete it'll drop to near zero. Read the voltage when you tried
operate the scooter?

connected the wiring and tested the voltage across both batteries, and
got 14.6V. Sounds like what I should expect.

I connected the charger that came with the chair and connected it to
the chair, and found the voltage across both batteries is 27.2V Sounds
reasonable. Since before I could get no reading in this mode, I think
I can now assume that was because the batteries were completely dead,
and that probably my charger is really okay. Another thing, the chair
now at least responds to the controller, if only to flash red and
yellow. Nothing more. No chair movement of course.

I am leaving the charger connected to the chair for a while to see if
the battery voltage increases. I'm betting it won't, and that I
should probably just get two new batteries. That 14.6V is simply not
enuff to do anything.

Agree?

Thanks

Wei

wrote in message

stuff snipped

I removed the two batteries and put them on charge individually with
my 12V 10A car charger. The max charge I can get on each was
something like 6.7V and 7.8V. stuff snipped

I should probably just get two new batteries. That 14.6V is simply not
enuff to do anything.

Agree?

Yes. I've worked with a number of scooters and powerchairs and the symptoms
you describe literally scream "dying batteries." Many scooters have a
voltage circuit that cuts power to the electric motor if the combined
voltage of the two batteries drops below 22V or so. You'll hear a clicking
sound, not unlike a car with a dead battery, if there's not enough juice to
power the scooter. I've found that even without being used, the gel
batteries used in scooters often don't last more that five years.

Is there a date stamp on either battery? If they're over 5 years old don't
expect them to ever charge to a higher voltage than what you are seeing now.
In fact, expect the opposite. Each time you discharge and recharge them.
they'll come back with an incrementally lower voltage. I keep the dying
batteries around because even at 7 or 8 volts, they'll still power a small
LED light for days. And as you've noticed, two of them in series will even
power a 12VDC when they're displaying the symptoms yours are.

Hope that helps.

--
Bobby G.

On Fri, 27 Jun 2014 18:26:16 -0600, Tony Hwang
wrote:

wrote:
On Fri, 27 Jun 2014 05:52:05 -0700 (PDT), jamesgang
wrote:


I was thinking - Can't I remove the two supposedly dead batteries from

the chair and try charging them individually with my car 12V charger?

That would tell me whether they will hold a charge wouldn't it?



Wei

You don't have to remove them, just disconnect the positive leads.


I removed the two batteries and put them on charge individually with
my 12V 10A car charger. The max charge I can get on each was
something like 6.7V and 7.8V. I put them back into the chair and

Hi,
Is it 6.7V and 7.8V? or 6.7A and 7.8A? if it was really voltage reading
that means battery some battery cell(s) are shot. That's why voltage
reading is lot less than 12V. If it were Ampere reading when charging is
complete it'll drop to near zero. Read the voltage when you tried
operate the scooter?

V. The amperage reading did drop to zero during the charge yesterday.

I left the chair off overnight, unplugged from the charger. At that
time, the voltage across the two batteries read 14.6V. This morning,
the voltage reads only 5.7V, and each battery reads only 2.6V and
3.1V. The chair no longer shows any life. No surprise there.
Seemingly, the batteries discharged 50% or so overnight, and now will
not even start the chair hand-controller, whereas last night it at
least tried to (with the higher voltage I had at that time).

BTW, I never said, but the batteries (and the chair) are about 3 years
old. The chair has sat unused for 2 of those 3 years. Big mistake I
think.

The batteries seem quite expensive, but I guess I will have to spring
for two.

Thanks for helps

Wei


connected the wiring and tested the voltage across both batteries, and
got 14.6V. Sounds like what I should expect.

I connected the charger that came with the chair and connected it to
the chair, and found the voltage across both batteries is 27.2V Sounds
reasonable. Since before I could get no reading in this mode, I think
I can now assume that was because the batteries were completely dead,
and that probably my charger is really okay. Another thing, the chair
now at least responds to the controller, if only to flash red and
yellow. Nothing more. No chair movement of course.

I am leaving the charger connected to the chair for a while to see if
the battery voltage increases. I'm betting it won't, and that I
should probably just get two new batteries. That 14.6V is simply not
enuff to do anything.

Agree?

Thanks

Wei

On Saturday, June 28, 2014 7:26:35 AM UTC-4, wrote:
On Fri, 27 Jun 2014 18:26:16 -0600, Tony Hwang

wrote:



wrote:

On Fri, 27 Jun 2014 05:52:05 -0700 (PDT), jamesgang

wrote:





I was thinking - Can't I remove the two supposedly dead batteries from



the chair and try charging them individually with my car 12V charger?



That would tell me whether they will hold a charge wouldn't it?







Wei



You don't have to remove them, just disconnect the positive leads.





I removed the two batteries and put them on charge individually with

my 12V 10A car charger. The max charge I can get on each was

something like 6.7V and 7.8V. I put them back into the chair and



Hi,

Is it 6.7V and 7.8V? or 6.7A and 7.8A? if it was really voltage reading

that means battery some battery cell(s) are shot. That's why voltage

reading is lot less than 12V. If it were Ampere reading when charging is

complete it'll drop to near zero. Read the voltage when you tried

operate the scooter?



V. The amperage reading did drop to zero during the charge yesterday.



I left the chair off overnight, unplugged from the charger. At that

time, the voltage across the two batteries read 14.6V. This morning,

the voltage reads only 5.7V, and each battery reads only 2.6V and

3.1V. The chair no longer shows any life. No surprise there.

Seemingly, the batteries discharged 50% or so overnight, and now will

not even start the chair hand-controller, whereas last night it at

least tried to (with the higher voltage I had at that time).



BTW, I never said, but the batteries (and the chair) are about 3 years

old. The chair has sat unused for 2 of those 3 years. Big mistake I

think.



The batteries seem quite expensive, but I guess I will have to spring

for two.



Thanks for helps



Wei





connected the wiring and tested the voltage across both batteries, and

got 14.6V. Sounds like what I should expect.



I connected the charger that came with the chair and connected it to

the chair, and found the voltage across both batteries is 27.2V Sounds

reasonable. Since before I could get no reading in this mode, I think

I can now assume that was because the batteries were completely dead,

and that probably my charger is really okay. Another thing, the chair

now at least responds to the controller, if only to flash red and

yellow. Nothing more. No chair movement of course.



I am leaving the charger connected to the chair for a while to see if

the battery voltage increases. I'm betting it won't, and that I

should probably just get two new batteries. That 14.6V is simply not

enuff to do anything.



Agree?



Thanks



Wei



Yes, it's pretty hard on this type of battery to leave it uncharged. The plates sulfate. Given their age and condition they are shot. Anything that fits and is deep cycle would be ok. You could use a dual purpose marine battery but it won't last quite as long as the deep cycle. But maybe 4 years instead of 5 is ok in your circumstances. Or maybe you only need the thing for a few more years and can just put car batteries in it. Consider the battery cost plus there are various adapters out that that convert clamp on to stud terminal.

wrote:

The batteries seem quite expensive, but I guess I will have to spring
for two.

I've had good results using a BatteryMinder

http://www.amazon.com/BatteryMINDer-...00-Maintainer-
Desulfator/dp/B00D7HZ6FC

on the battery that sat in a seldom used pickup and was dead. I also use it
on the motorcycle batteries over the winter. It might take a couple of weeks
on a badly sulphated battery but I wasn't in a hurry.

If you try it, remember it's a 12 volt unit. I saw one report by someone who
tried to use it on the 24 volt battery pack for a bicycle instead of the
individual 12 volt cells and destroyed everything.

On Sat, 28 Jun 2014 12:04:13 -0600, rbowman
wrote:

wrote:

The batteries seem quite expensive, but I guess I will have to spring
for two.

I've had good results using a BatteryMinder

http://www.amazon.com/BatteryMINDer-...00-Maintainer-
Desulfator/dp/B00D7HZ6FC

on the battery that sat in a seldom used pickup and was dead. I also use it
on the motorcycle batteries over the winter. It might take a couple of weeks
on a badly sulphated battery but I wasn't in a hurry.

If you try it, remember it's a 12 volt unit. I saw one report by someone who
tried to use it on the 24 volt battery pack for a bicycle instead of the
individual 12 volt cells and destroyed everything.




I don't know if I should fool around with this or not. As expensive
as it is, I probably should just go ahead and buy two new batteries I
am searching for the cheapest pair with free shipping. Haven't found
best deal yet tho.

Thanks

Wei