On Thursday, June 19, 2014 3:43:38 AM UTC-4, Julie Bove wrote:
"Not@home" wrote in message

...

Julie Bove wrote:

Has this become very common lately? I know that dollar stores have

always sold Chinese crap and I have avoided that. But recently I

ordered an extra wall plug in for our Iphone 5's and it wasn't an Apple

product. Ordered from Ebay. Never again. The thing was a joke! The

prongs on it looked weird and wouldn't even go into the outlet.



Just now I needed to order a new GE stove burner. Seems that the same

thing is happening over at Amazon. I had seen on the news that there

have been complaints of knockoffs. Well, it seems that they are doing

it with stove burners. Show a picture of the genuine GE thing but

that's not what people are getting. At least that's what the reviews

say.



I once had a burner go bad in an old apartment. Not sure how old the

stove was. Probably pretty old. I had walked into the other room when

all of a sudden I heard what sounded like one of those whistling

fireworks. Whistling Pete/Piccolo Pete. I looked towards the noise, saw

blue sparks hitting the ceiling, then heard a "bang". All went silent.

No more sparks, but I then hear water. It was water leaking out of my

pan that I was boiling pasta in. Somehow the very tip (outside of coil)

became super heated and literally blew right off, shooting sparks and

shooting a hole in my pan! Landlord fixed the stove for me.



But after witnessing that, there is no way I am taking a chance on a

Chinese knockoff. I ordered straight from GE where I know I am getting

the right thing.



Now that I think of it, it's not just electrical things. I ordered what

I thought were Tom's shoes from their outlet. What I got was a joke.

Tiny shoes that maybe appeared from a distance to be that brand but were

very poorly made.



This is frustrating, especially if I need something that I can't find in

a store and have to get online. Anyone else been burned by bogus

parts? Or other things?



What makes you think the part you ordered from GE won't turn out to have

been made in China?



I may well have been. But my point is... If I order straight from GE, I

presume they will send me a GE part. It is wrong for a seller on Amazon to

say that they are selling genuine GE parts when they are in fact some sort

of generic thing that may not work with your stove.

You have the Amazon link so we can all take a look?

On 6/18/2014 1:24 PM, Not@home wrote:

What makes you think the part you ordered from GE won't turn out to
have been made in China?

If it is sold by GE, it will meet their specifications regardless of
where it was manufactured. If it is sold by a third party, you have no
way of knowing if it meets GE's OEM specs. Also, items purchased from
GE will be warranted by GE. Items marketed as GE parts but sold by
third parties will not be warranted by GE if GE cannot verify that the
parts are genuine GE OEM.

A few years back a major facility in my part of the country solicited
bids for an industrial electrical component manufactured by GE. My
brother sells electrical materials for GE, and thus has the guaranteed
lowest price from the manufacturing plant for these items. No one can
get it for less, so he took it for granted he'd be awarded the bid. To
his astonishment, he didn't get it - because the facility told him a
local small hardware store had submitted a bid for this multi-thousand
dollar part for only a few hundred dollars. My brother verified that
the manufacturing plant had not produced the item. He warned the
facility that regardless of the hardware store's claim that it was
genuine GE, they believed it was not, and without proof, they would
not warrant the product. Sure enough, the part soon failed, and the
facility tried to get GE to replace it. GE's response was that they
don't warrant counterfeit Chinese knockoffs, which this obviously was,
since it wasn't produced by the legit GE manufacturing plant.

On 6/19/2014 12:35 PM, Guv Bob wrote:
"Ralph Mowery" wrote in message
m...

"Tony Hwang" wrote in message
...
, Frigidaire is not top tier product to begin with. I never
owned one.

From about 1955 ot 1965 my dad worked on them for a store and
they were good quality then,but at some point they went down
hill.

They were still good into the 80's and later. Looks they opened a
plant in Mexico in 2005. I'm sure that's where my 2007 range model
was made. Thanks to all the free-trading legislators for sending
our jobs south of the border.

From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frigidaire....

A new cooktop manufacturing facility will be located in the Frank
C. Pidgeon Industrial park, southwest of Memphis. The facility will
be built to LEED certification standards. Workers will manufacture
the company’s Electrolux ICON®, Electrolux® and Frigidaire® product
lines, including drop-in/slide-in ranges, wall ovens, specialty
free standing ranges and cook tops. Construction is expected to
begin in early 2011 with production to begin in mid-2012.

Electrolux/Fridgidaire also operates a manufacturing facility for
free standing gas and electric ranges in Springfield, Tennessee.
The Springfield facility currently employs about 2,900 people.

It also operates a large manufacturing facility in Northern Mexico
since 2005.[5]


Umm...you know that Electrolux is a Swedish multinational, right? And
they've owned Frigidaire since 1986. Before then, Frigidaire was owned
by GM.

Julie Bove wrote: Jeff

My husband once wanted to buy a watch for his mom. He told the clerk
that he wanted one made in the USA. She just sort of blinked at him.
Said there were none.

I don't really even care where things are made. I know that the USA
doesn't produce much any more and if it is produced here, it's likely to
be very expensive.

I just don't want people selling things and claiming them to be
something that they're not.
Hi,
As a poor amateur watch collector, My every day watch is Casio Wave tech
run by solar power with radio controlled guts. For dress watch all I
have are old Tudor, Zenith, Longine, Omega, Hamilton, etc. No thanks for
Rolex(most over priced used car sales man's watch. LOL!)

"Ralph Mowery" wrote in message m...

"Tony Hwang" wrote in message
...
,
Frigidaire is not top tier product to begin with.
I never owned one.

From about 1955 ot 1965 my dad worked on them for a store and they were good
quality then,but at some point they went down hill.

They were still good into the 80's and later. Looks they opened a plant in Mexico in 2005. I'm sure that's where my 2007 range model was made. Thanks to all the free-trading legislators for sending our jobs south of the border.

From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frigidaire....

A new cooktop manufacturing facility will be located in the Frank C. Pidgeon Industrial park, southwest of Memphis. The facility will be built to LEED certification standards. Workers will manufacture the company’s Electrolux ICON®, Electrolux® and Frigidaire® product lines, including drop-in/slide-in ranges, wall ovens, specialty free standing ranges and cook tops. Construction is expected to begin in early 2011 with production to begin in mid-2012.

Electrolux/Fridgidaire also operates a manufacturing facility for free standing gas and electric ranges in Springfield, Tennessee. The Springfield facility currently employs about 2,900 people.

It also operates a large manufacturing facility in Northern Mexico since 2005.[5]

"Guv Bob" wrote in
m:

Umm...then thanks to all the free-trading legislators for allowing a
foreign company to close a US plant and sending our jobs south of the
border.


"..our jobs.."??

They don't belong to us. They go to the location able to produce the
product most efficiently. Because of government regulatory burdens, high
taxes and unions; that isn't the U.S. anymore. If those jobs didn't go
south, I wouldn't be able to afford the products any more.

I hope more jobs go south.

"Moe DeLoughan" wrote in message ...
On 6/19/2014 12:35 PM, Guv Bob wrote:
"Ralph Mowery" wrote in message
m...

"Tony Hwang" wrote in message
...
, Frigidaire is not top tier product to begin with. I never
owned one.

From about 1955 ot 1965 my dad worked on them for a store and
they were good quality then,but at some point they went down
hill.

They were still good into the 80's and later. Looks they opened a
plant in Mexico in 2005. I'm sure that's where my 2007 range model
was made. Thanks to all the free-trading legislators for sending
our jobs south of the border.

From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frigidaire....

A new cooktop manufacturing facility will be located in the Frank
C. Pidgeon Industrial park, southwest of Memphis. The facility will
be built to LEED certification standards. Workers will manufacture
the company’s Electrolux ICON®, Electrolux® and Frigidaire® product
lines, including drop-in/slide-in ranges, wall ovens, specialty
free standing ranges and cook tops. Construction is expected to
begin in early 2011 with production to begin in mid-2012.

Electrolux/Fridgidaire also operates a manufacturing facility for
free standing gas and electric ranges in Springfield, Tennessee.
The Springfield facility currently employs about 2,900 people.

It also operates a large manufacturing facility in Northern Mexico
since 2005.[5]


Umm...you know that Electrolux is a Swedish multinational, right? And
they've owned Frigidaire since 1986. Before then, Frigidaire was owned
by GM.

Umm...then thanks to all the free-trading legislators for allowing a foreign company to close a US plant and sending our jobs south of the border.

On 6/19/2014 1:51 PM, Zaky Waky wrote:
"Guv Bob" wrote in
m:

Umm...then thanks to all the free-trading legislators for allowing a
foreign company to close a US plant and sending our jobs south of the
border.


"..our jobs.."??

They don't belong to us. They go to the location able to produce the
product most efficiently. Because of government regulatory burdens, high
taxes and unions; that isn't the U.S. anymore. If those jobs didn't go
south, I wouldn't be able to afford the products any more.

If you had a union advocating for your pay to have kept up over the
years, you'd have retained your ability to afford quality
American-built products. Instead, you're participating in the race to
the bottom.


I hope more jobs go south.


You first. Whatever you do for a living, somebody somewhere else can
do it for less. By your own standards, you're not entitled to a living
wage, so walk the walk, buddy.

On 19 Jun 2014 18:51:35 GMT, Zaky Waky wrote:

"Guv Bob" wrote in
om:

Umm...then thanks to all the free-trading legislators for allowing a
foreign company to close a US plant and sending our jobs south of the
border.


"..our jobs.."??

They don't belong to us. They go to the location able to produce the
product most efficiently. Because of government regulatory burdens, high
taxes and unions; that isn't the U.S. anymore. If those jobs didn't go
south, I wouldn't be able to afford the products any more.

I hope more jobs go south.

Unfortunately, the more jobs that go "south" the tax burden for those
still working will become greater and greater. At some point you
won't be able to afford those products even at their lower prices.

That's the Reader's Digest definition of socialism.

I think what you meant to say was "I hope that ass hole from Kenya
goes south to play golf and never returns." Right?

On Thursday, June 19, 2014 4:52:07 PM UTC-4, Moe DeLoughan wrote:
On 6/19/2014 1:51 PM, Zaky Waky wrote:

"Guv Bob" wrote in

m:



Umm...then thanks to all the free-trading legislators for allowing a

foreign company to close a US plant and sending our jobs south of the

border.





"..our jobs.."??



They don't belong to us. They go to the location able to produce the

product most efficiently. Because of government regulatory burdens, high

taxes and unions; that isn't the U.S. anymore. If those jobs didn't go

south, I wouldn't be able to afford the products any more.



If you had a union advocating for your pay to have kept up over the

years, you'd have retained your ability to afford quality

American-built products. Instead, you're participating in the race to

the bottom.


You mean like how the unions in Detroit advocated and bankrupted GM? While
non union plants from MB, Honda, BMW and other foreign car companies
build cars here in the USA profitably, employing more than GM?







I hope more jobs go south.





You first. Whatever you do for a living, somebody somewhere else can

do it for less. By your own standards, you're not entitled to a living

wage, so walk the walk, buddy.

Non sequitur noted. In the case of Detroit, the unions burdened them
with a labor cost 2X what MB, BMW, Honda, etc are paying right here in
the USA. The results were predictable. Not that it's all the unions
fault, but when you have a labor cost 2X the competition, it is like
trying to swim with lead boots on.

On Thursday, June 19, 2014 2:34:40 PM UTC-4, Guv Bob wrote:
"Moe DeLoughan" wrote in message ...

On 6/19/2014 12:35 PM, Guv Bob wrote:

"Ralph Mowery" wrote in message

m...



"Tony Hwang" wrote in message

...

, Frigidaire is not top tier product to begin with. I never

owned one.



From about 1955 ot 1965 my dad worked on them for a store and

they were good quality then,but at some point they went down

hill.



They were still good into the 80's and later. Looks they opened a

plant in Mexico in 2005. I'm sure that's where my 2007 range model

was made. Thanks to all the free-trading legislators for sending

our jobs south of the border.



From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frigidaire....



A new cooktop manufacturing facility will be located in the Frank

C. Pidgeon Industrial park, southwest of Memphis. The facility will

be built to LEED certification standards. Workers will manufacture

the company's Electrolux ICON(R), Electrolux(R) and Frigidaire(R) product

lines, including drop-in/slide-in ranges, wall ovens, specialty

free standing ranges and cook tops. Construction is expected to

begin in early 2011 with production to begin in mid-2012.



Electrolux/Fridgidaire also operates a manufacturing facility for

free standing gas and electric ranges in Springfield, Tennessee.

The Springfield facility currently employs about 2,900 people.



It also operates a large manufacturing facility in Northern Mexico

since 2005.[5]





Umm...you know that Electrolux is a Swedish multinational, right? And

they've owned Frigidaire since 1986. Before then, Frigidaire was owned

by GM.



Umm...then thanks to all the free-trading legislators for allowing a foreign company to close a US plant and sending our jobs south of the border.

In the quote above it clearly says that the company is building a
new factory here in the USA, near Memphis to build ovens, ranges, etc.
It's not like they have abandoned the USA.
But I guess you'd rather have a govt that has proven itself incompetent
in virtually everything it undertakes, figure out where the right place
to build kitchen appliances is. They lost $500mil down the Solyndra
rat hole, when they figured out where to build solar panels. Or Ener1,
that they sunk $120mil into to build car batteries, it's bankrupt, closed
and the money is gone too. There's a long, long list of similar failures,
if you care to look. And best of all, they were all structured with
typical big govt brilliance. If the company is a success, the owners
reap all the rewards, the govt gets nothing. If the company fails, the govt loses everything. What great business minds! They shouldn't be building
ovens, they should be sticking their heads in ovens.

"trader_4" wrote in message
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On Thursday, June 19, 2014 3:41:40 AM UTC-4, Julie Bove wrote:
"Jeff Wisnia" wrote in message

...





Julie Bove wrote:

Has this become very common lately? I know that dollar stores have

always sold Chinese crap and I have avoided that. But recently I

ordered an extra wall plug in for our Iphone 5's and it wasn't an
Apple

product. Ordered from Ebay. Never again. The thing was a joke! The

prongs on it looked weird and wouldn't even go into the outlet.

snipped



Last Sunday (Father's Day) all the greeting cards I received were

Hallmark's, but the last line of the fine print on the back of each one

said it was manufactured in China.



Jeff



My husband once wanted to buy a watch for his mom. He told the clerk
that

he wanted one made in the USA. She just sort of blinked at him. Said
there

were none.



I don't really even care where things are made. I know that the USA
doesn't

produce much any more and if it is produced here, it's likely to be very

expensive.



I just don't want people selling things and claiming them to be something

that they're not.

If you have a link to this Amazon listing, I'm sure we'd all be
interested in seeing it. From what you've said, I believe what
you're saying is:

1 - You didn't actually buy a burner there, just read reviews.

2 - The listing shows a picture of a GE burner, but the one they
ship is not GE.

It would be interesting to see the whole thing, in context. If
they are doing what is claimed, then people should be complaining
to Amazon, asking for their money back, etc. And if they don't
correct it, Amazon should shut them down.

As for the USA not making much of anything, that's not true. We are
the second largest manufacturer in the world, with China only recently
having past us. Just because we don't make cheap consumer products,
doesn't mean we aren't building computers, microprocessors, airplanes,
power plants, etc.

Let me see if I can find it again.

Here is one that claims it is an exact replacement.

http://www.amazon.com/Exact-Replacem...ge+6%22+burner

Here's another.

http://www.amazon.com/GE-WB30M1-Burn...ge+6%22+burner

No reviews on this one but clearly not GE.

http://www.amazon.com/GE-Kenmore-Rep...ge+6%22+burner

Here's another.

There are many more. So many more that opted not to buy this from Amazon at
all.

"Tony Hwang" wrote in message
...
Julie Bove wrote: Jeff

My husband once wanted to buy a watch for his mom. He told the clerk
that he wanted one made in the USA. She just sort of blinked at him.
Said there were none.

I don't really even care where things are made. I know that the USA
doesn't produce much any more and if it is produced here, it's likely to
be very expensive.

I just don't want people selling things and claiming them to be
something that they're not.
Hi,
As a poor amateur watch collector, My every day watch is Casio Wave tech
run by solar power with radio controlled guts. For dress watch all I have
are old Tudor, Zenith, Longine, Omega, Hamilton, etc. No thanks for
Rolex(most over priced used car sales man's watch. LOL!)

I either wear Timex or some cheap clearance item that is either seasonal or
has a cat on it.

"trader_4" wrote in message
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On Thursday, June 19, 2014 3:43:38 AM UTC-4, Julie Bove wrote:
"Not@home" wrote in message

...

Julie Bove wrote:

Has this become very common lately? I know that dollar stores have

always sold Chinese crap and I have avoided that. But recently I

ordered an extra wall plug in for our Iphone 5's and it wasn't an
Apple

product. Ordered from Ebay. Never again. The thing was a joke! The

prongs on it looked weird and wouldn't even go into the outlet.



Just now I needed to order a new GE stove burner. Seems that the same

thing is happening over at Amazon. I had seen on the news that there

have been complaints of knockoffs. Well, it seems that they are doing

it with stove burners. Show a picture of the genuine GE thing but

that's not what people are getting. At least that's what the reviews

say.



I once had a burner go bad in an old apartment. Not sure how old the

stove was. Probably pretty old. I had walked into the other room
when

all of a sudden I heard what sounded like one of those whistling

fireworks. Whistling Pete/Piccolo Pete. I looked towards the noise,
saw

blue sparks hitting the ceiling, then heard a "bang". All went
silent.

No more sparks, but I then hear water. It was water leaking out of my

pan that I was boiling pasta in. Somehow the very tip (outside of
coil)

became super heated and literally blew right off, shooting sparks and

shooting a hole in my pan! Landlord fixed the stove for me.



But after witnessing that, there is no way I am taking a chance on a

Chinese knockoff. I ordered straight from GE where I know I am
getting

the right thing.



Now that I think of it, it's not just electrical things. I ordered
what

I thought were Tom's shoes from their outlet. What I got was a joke.

Tiny shoes that maybe appeared from a distance to be that brand but
were

very poorly made.



This is frustrating, especially if I need something that I can't find
in

a store and have to get online. Anyone else been burned by bogus

parts? Or other things?



What makes you think the part you ordered from GE won't turn out to
have

been made in China?



I may well have been. But my point is... If I order straight from GE, I

presume they will send me a GE part. It is wrong for a seller on Amazon
to

say that they are selling genuine GE parts when they are in fact some
sort

of generic thing that may not work with your stove.

You have the Amazon link so we can all take a look?

I put several links up in another post but here is one:

http://www.amazon.com/General-Electr...ge+6%22+burner

In article ,
Moe DeLoughan wrote:

On 6/19/2014 1:51 PM, Zaky Waky wrote:
"Guv Bob" wrote in
m:


If you had a union advocating for your pay to have kept up over the
years, you'd have retained your ability to afford quality
American-built products. Instead, you're participating in the race to
the bottom.
You do realize that every UAW plant (for instance) has a two tier
wage structure with new hires getting substantially less than the older
dudes or that they would have 5 years. Unions by no means assure you
have a job if the market forces aren't correct.
--
³Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive,
but what they conceal is vital.²
‹ Aaron Levenstein

On 6/18/2014 9:43 PM, wrote:

Hi,
Frigidaire is not top tier product to begin with.
I never owned one.
Used to be, 50 years ago.


Used to be a brand owned by GM when GM was a reputable company. Now it
is just a name that as been owned by a half dozen corporations.My
company used to supply them and they made the same product under a half
dozen brand names.

On Thursday, June 19, 2014 8:02:18 PM UTC-4, Julie Bove wrote:
"trader_4" wrote in message

...

On Thursday, June 19, 2014 3:41:40 AM UTC-4, Julie Bove wrote:

"Jeff Wisnia" wrote in message



...











Julie Bove wrote:



Has this become very common lately? I know that dollar stores have



always sold Chinese crap and I have avoided that. But recently I



ordered an extra wall plug in for our Iphone 5's and it wasn't an

Apple



product. Ordered from Ebay. Never again. The thing was a joke! The



prongs on it looked weird and wouldn't even go into the outlet.



snipped







Last Sunday (Father's Day) all the greeting cards I received were



Hallmark's, but the last line of the fine print on the back of each one



said it was manufactured in China.







Jeff







My husband once wanted to buy a watch for his mom. He told the clerk

that



he wanted one made in the USA. She just sort of blinked at him. Said

there



were none.







I don't really even care where things are made. I know that the USA

doesn't



produce much any more and if it is produced here, it's likely to be very



expensive.







I just don't want people selling things and claiming them to be something



that they're not.



If you have a link to this Amazon listing, I'm sure we'd all be

interested in seeing it. From what you've said, I believe what

you're saying is:



1 - You didn't actually buy a burner there, just read reviews.



2 - The listing shows a picture of a GE burner, but the one they

ship is not GE.



It would be interesting to see the whole thing, in context. If

they are doing what is claimed, then people should be complaining

to Amazon, asking for their money back, etc. And if they don't

correct it, Amazon should shut them down.



As for the USA not making much of anything, that's not true. We are

the second largest manufacturer in the world, with China only recently

having past us. Just because we don't make cheap consumer products,

doesn't mean we aren't building computers, microprocessors, airplanes,

power plants, etc.



Let me see if I can find it again.



Here is one that claims it is an exact replacement.



http://www.amazon.com/Exact-Replacem...ge+6%22+burner



For the above, it says in the title "Exact Replacement". To me that only
means that it conforms to the correct form, fit and function. And in
the description it clearly says "Generic Ers30m1 Ge Range Surface Elements"
Generic sure doesn't mean GE to me.

It's like buying a heater hose for a 2005 Honda. If it's says
exact replacement, it means the hose fits, nothing special needs to
be done. It doesn't mean it came from Honda.





Here's another.



http://www.amazon.com/GE-WB30M1-Burn...ge+6%22+burner



That one shows the GE logo in the crude pic and also says "genuine GE"
and "by GE"in the description. If that was not a real GE part, then I agree, it's fraud. People should complain and Amazon should boot them.





No reviews on this one but clearly not GE.



http://www.amazon.com/GE-Kenmore-Rep...ge+6%22+burner



That one also says "by GE", so I'd say if it's not, then it's
fraud too.





There are many more. So many more that opted not to buy this from Amazon at

all.

I don't blame you. I have no problem buying a decent aftermarket part.
In autos it's done all the time. Independent repair shops use aftermarket
parts all the time. Most are perfectly fine and cost half what the
genuine BMW or whatever would cost. Some are even made by the same
manufacturer. But when they try to trick you into believing that it's
a real GE and it's not, I say it's fraud. Of those ads, the first was
honest. the other two, if they are not real GE, then I say it's fraud.

On 6/19/2014 12:49 PM, Moe DeLoughan wrote:



Umm...you know that Electrolux is a Swedish multinational, right? And
they've owned Frigidaire since 1986. Before then, Frigidaire was owned
by GM.



Don't forget they other brands and owners. Edison Electric,
White-Westinghouse, Husqvarna.

Julie Bove wrote:

I either wear Timex or some cheap clearance item that is either seasonal
or has a cat on it.

Hello Kitty?

| Beware of any appliances or parts these days. Most if not all are made
| overseas.
|
I had to get a replacement "sparker" for a gas stove
recently. It works fine. I also got a similar thing for our
furnace. But I bought both from dealers that specialize
in such things and have phone numbers. I would never
buy anything from Amazon or EBay.

"trader_4" wrote in message
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On Thursday, June 19, 2014 8:02:18 PM UTC-4, Julie Bove wrote:
"trader_4" wrote in message

...

On Thursday, June 19, 2014 3:41:40 AM UTC-4, Julie Bove wrote:

"Jeff Wisnia" wrote in message



...











Julie Bove wrote:



Has this become very common lately? I know that dollar stores have



always sold Chinese crap and I have avoided that. But recently I



ordered an extra wall plug in for our Iphone 5's and it wasn't an

Apple



product. Ordered from Ebay. Never again. The thing was a joke!
The



prongs on it looked weird and wouldn't even go into the outlet.



snipped







Last Sunday (Father's Day) all the greeting cards I received were



Hallmark's, but the last line of the fine print on the back of each
one



said it was manufactured in China.







Jeff







My husband once wanted to buy a watch for his mom. He told the clerk

that



he wanted one made in the USA. She just sort of blinked at him. Said

there



were none.







I don't really even care where things are made. I know that the USA

doesn't



produce much any more and if it is produced here, it's likely to be
very



expensive.







I just don't want people selling things and claiming them to be
something



that they're not.



If you have a link to this Amazon listing, I'm sure we'd all be

interested in seeing it. From what you've said, I believe what

you're saying is:



1 - You didn't actually buy a burner there, just read reviews.



2 - The listing shows a picture of a GE burner, but the one they

ship is not GE.



It would be interesting to see the whole thing, in context. If

they are doing what is claimed, then people should be complaining

to Amazon, asking for their money back, etc. And if they don't

correct it, Amazon should shut them down.



As for the USA not making much of anything, that's not true. We are

the second largest manufacturer in the world, with China only recently

having past us. Just because we don't make cheap consumer products,

doesn't mean we aren't building computers, microprocessors, airplanes,

power plants, etc.



Let me see if I can find it again.



Here is one that claims it is an exact replacement.



http://www.amazon.com/Exact-Replacem...ge+6%22+burner



For the above, it says in the title "Exact Replacement". To me that only
means that it conforms to the correct form, fit and function. And in
the description it clearly says "Generic Ers30m1 Ge Range Surface
Elements"
Generic sure doesn't mean GE to me.

It's like buying a heater hose for a 2005 Honda. If it's says
exact replacement, it means the hose fits, nothing special needs to
be done. It doesn't mean it came from Honda.

That could be but people did say that it is in fact not an exact replacement
as it doesn't fit right.





Here's another.



http://www.amazon.com/GE-WB30M1-Burn...ge+6%22+burner



That one shows the GE logo in the crude pic and also says "genuine GE"
and "by GE"in the description. If that was not a real GE part, then I
agree, it's fraud. People should complain and Amazon should boot them.





No reviews on this one but clearly not GE.



http://www.amazon.com/GE-Kenmore-Rep...ge+6%22+burner



That one also says "by GE", so I'd say if it's not, then it's
fraud too.





There are many more. So many more that opted not to buy this from Amazon
at

all.

I don't blame you. I have no problem buying a decent aftermarket part.
In autos it's done all the time. Independent repair shops use aftermarket
parts all the time. Most are perfectly fine and cost half what the
genuine BMW or whatever would cost. Some are even made by the same
manufacturer. But when they try to trick you into believing that it's
a real GE and it's not, I say it's fraud. Of those ads, the first was
honest. the other two, if they are not real GE, then I say it's fraud.

Yep. I agree. Alas, I saw this so many times on Amazon that I just
wouldn't go that route.

"rbowman" wrote in message
...
Julie Bove wrote:

I either wear Timex or some cheap clearance item that is either seasonal
or has a cat on it.

Hello Kitty?

I've had two!

"Moe DeLoughan" wrote in message
...
On 6/18/2014 1:24 PM, Not@home wrote:

What makes you think the part you ordered from GE won't turn out to
have been made in China?

If it is sold by GE, it will meet their specifications regardless of where
it was manufactured. If it is sold by a third party, you have no way of
knowing if it meets GE's OEM specs. Also, items purchased from GE will be
warranted by GE. Items marketed as GE parts but sold by third parties will
not be warranted by GE if GE cannot verify that the parts are genuine GE
OEM.

A few years back a major facility in my part of the country solicited bids
for an industrial electrical component manufactured by GE. My brother
sells electrical materials for GE, and thus has the guaranteed lowest
price from the manufacturing plant for these items. No one can get it for
less, so he took it for granted he'd be awarded the bid. To his
astonishment, he didn't get it - because the facility told him a local
small hardware store had submitted a bid for this multi-thousand dollar
part for only a few hundred dollars. My brother verified that the
manufacturing plant had not produced the item. He warned the facility that
regardless of the hardware store's claim that it was genuine GE, they
believed it was not, and without proof, they would not warrant the
product. Sure enough, the part soon failed, and the facility tried to get
GE to replace it. GE's response was that they don't warrant counterfeit
Chinese knockoffs, which this obviously was, since it wasn't produced by
the legit GE manufacturing plant.

Yep. Which is why I went straight to GE.

Moe DeLoughan wrote in
:

Subject: Chinese knockoffs.
From: Moe DeLoughan
Newsgroups: alt.home.repair

On 6/19/2014 1:51 PM, Zaky Waky wrote:
"Guv Bob" wrote in
m:

Umm...then thanks to all the free-trading legislators for allowing a
foreign company to close a US plant and sending our jobs south of
the border.


"..our jobs.."??

They don't belong to us. They go to the location able to produce the
product most efficiently. Because of government regulatory burdens,
high taxes and unions; that isn't the U.S. anymore. If those jobs
didn't go south, I wouldn't be able to afford the products any more.

If you had a union advocating for your pay to have kept up over the
years, you'd have retained your ability to afford quality
American-built products.

You mean like in Detroit and soon many other cities?

On 6/19/2014 11:00 PM, Mayayana wrote:

I had to get a replacement "sparker" for a gas stove
recently. It works fine. I also got a similar thing for our
furnace. But I bought both from dealers that specialize
in such things and have phone numbers. I would never
buy anything from Amazon or EBay.



I've bought a lot of name brand from Amazon for years now and never had
a problem. I have a package coming today.

eBay can be a little scarier, but I did buy a couple of ASCO air valves
last month. They are $335 from a local dealer, but I got one from an
eBay dealer for $200. I went back and bought another as a spare. They
go bad on a 150 HP compressor every year or two.

Julie Bove wrote:


"rbowman" wrote in message
...
Julie Bove wrote:

I either wear Timex or some cheap clearance item that is either seasonal
or has a cat on it.

Hello Kitty?

I've had two!

I have a nice, pink Hello Kitty notebook that I take to meetings on the off
chance somebody might say something useful. Being a large, bearded, pony-
tailed biker nobody ever commented on my choice.

I did get a kick out of a news story a couple of years ago. If a cop in
Thailand screwed up he got to go and direct traffic wearing a Hello Kitty
armband. That plan backfired when the cops sort of liked their armbands.

On Fri, 20 Jun 2014 08:04:07 -0600, rbowman
wrote:

Hello Kitty?

I've had two!

I have a nice, pink Hello Kitty notebook that I take to meetings on the off
chance somebody might say something useful. Being a large, bearded, pony-
tailed biker nobody ever commented on my choice.

I did get a kick out of a news story a couple of years ago. If a cop in
Thailand screwed up he got to go and direct traffic wearing a Hello Kitty
armband. That plan backfired when the cops sort of liked their armbands.

_The Hello Kitty AR-15 Is Just So Damn Cute_

http://www.geekologie.com/2008/02/the-hello-kitty-ar15-is-just-s.php
--
I support a woman's right to choose whichever gun she wants

Oren wrote:

_The Hello Kitty AR-15 Is Just So Damn Cute_

http://www.geekologie.com/2008/02/the-hello-kitty-ar15-is-just-s.php

Even Nancy Pelosi could get into one of those. Hell, I don't even like ARs
and I want one.

On Fri, 20 Jun 2014 20:57:38 -0600, rbowman
wrote:

Oren wrote:

_The Hello Kitty AR-15 Is Just So Damn Cute_

http://www.geekologie.com/2008/02/the-hello-kitty-ar15-is-just-s.php

Even Nancy Pelosi could get into one of those. Hell, I don't even like ARs
and I want one.

1911 .45