I first heard about this a couple years ago and the whole
concept sounded a bit dubious. Apparently the guy responsible
for the Ipod design at Apple started a company to make a
thermostat. It's a beautiful design, a retro, round thermostat
that look really cool. But, even upon first hearing about it,
I was a bit skeptical. It has motion sensors in it and it's
supposed to come up with a setback schedule based on how it
learns your temp settings and occupancy patterns. It was
a thermostat for those too lazy to spend 15 mins figuring out
how to program one of the typical digital ones. For me,
it made little sense. But, I could see it being used in
say vacation rental properties.

Recently, I got a little more cuious and started to check it
out. Anyone that's interested in a good laugh, should see
the reviews at Amazon. What a cluster f**. From reading
the reviews, apparently some of the major problems a

It lacks a hold button. So, this thing that makes up schedules
on it's own, can set the temp to whatever it pleases and
you can't just set a temp and select to hold it. Could
anyone be so dumb as to not include that? And they've
been told for years now that customers say that's a big
problem. You come home from work sick, set it to 72 and
then it just proceeds to do whatever it wants and you
don't even know what it plans to do. So, 30 mins later,
it could be back to 60F and without checking it constantly,
you wouldn't even know.

In the interests of widespread compatibility, they pretend
it can work with systems that don't have a wire for power.
So, they try to steal power to charge the battery from the
wires coming from the furnace. That was probably OK when
everyone had an old furnace with a Xformer and relay. But
now furnaces have circuit boards that use little current.
Net result, the battery doesn;t get charged. And in an
attempt to charge it, the Nest apparently fires up the
HVAC even when it's not needed. but even that doesn't
appear to work.

To try to fit 10lbs of stuff into a 2 lb little round
thermostat, apparently they put FET transistors into
the base, instead of using relays like most thermostats.
The FETS are apparently failing all over the place and
when they fail, they fail ON. So, you have many people
reporting that the Nest has either the heat or the AC
on constantly. Some have BOTH on at the same time!
There are reports of people coming home when it's 20F
outside and finding their AC running. And this from
a widget that was gonna save you money.

Then there is the self-heating problem. It has wifi
built in, which I'd want in a new thermostat. But,
cramming that 10 lbs of stuff into a 2 lb bag apparently
has resulted in the unit self-heating. So people are
saying that the house is 75 but the thermostat thinks
it's 80, so it's running the AC.

Then there is the issue that since it's wifi connected,
Nest can download new software to it at any time and
you have no option to decline. Apparently they just
did such a download, and it drained people's batteries
so the thing no longer worked. Would you not have an
option to be able to choose when you do an upgrade on
a mission critical device?

It;s really an unbelievable example of making something
cute without regard for reliability. IMO, it's a bunch
of hippies with no HVAC experience trying to trick people
into something that's cool for $250.

And to top it off, Google just bought this pile of crap
for $2bil. Unbelievable.

On Monday, January 27, 2014 10:53:43 AM UTC-5, wrote:
I first heard about this a couple years ago and the whole

concept sounded a bit dubious. Apparently the guy responsible

for the Ipod design at Apple started a company to make a

thermostat. It's a beautiful design, a retro, round thermostat

that look really cool. But, even upon first hearing about it,

I was a bit skeptical. It has motion sensors in it and it's

supposed to come up with a setback schedule based on how it

learns your temp settings and occupancy patterns. It was

a thermostat for those too lazy to spend 15 mins figuring out

how to program one of the typical digital ones. For me,

it made little sense. But, I could see it being used in

say vacation rental properties.



Recently, I got a little more cuious and started to check it

out. Anyone that's interested in a good laugh, should see

the reviews at Amazon. What a cluster f**. From reading

the reviews, apparently some of the major problems a



It lacks a hold button. So, this thing that makes up schedules

on it's own, can set the temp to whatever it pleases and

you can't just set a temp and select to hold it. Could

anyone be so dumb as to not include that? And they've

been told for years now that customers say that's a big

problem. You come home from work sick, set it to 72 and

then it just proceeds to do whatever it wants and you

don't even know what it plans to do. So, 30 mins later,

it could be back to 60F and without checking it constantly,

you wouldn't even know.



In the interests of widespread compatibility, they pretend

it can work with systems that don't have a wire for power.

So, they try to steal power to charge the battery from the

wires coming from the furnace. That was probably OK when

everyone had an old furnace with a Xformer and relay. But

now furnaces have circuit boards that use little current.

Net result, the battery doesn;t get charged. And in an

attempt to charge it, the Nest apparently fires up the

HVAC even when it's not needed. but even that doesn't

appear to work.



To try to fit 10lbs of stuff into a 2 lb little round

thermostat, apparently they put FET transistors into

the base, instead of using relays like most thermostats.

The FETS are apparently failing all over the place and

when they fail, they fail ON. So, you have many people

reporting that the Nest has either the heat or the AC

on constantly. Some have BOTH on at the same time!

There are reports of people coming home when it's 20F

outside and finding their AC running. And this from

a widget that was gonna save you money.



Then there is the self-heating problem. It has wifi

built in, which I'd want in a new thermostat. But,

cramming that 10 lbs of stuff into a 2 lb bag apparently

has resulted in the unit self-heating. So people are

saying that the house is 75 but the thermostat thinks

it's 80, so it's running the AC.



Then there is the issue that since it's wifi connected,

Nest can download new software to it at any time and

you have no option to decline. Apparently they just

did such a download, and it drained people's batteries

so the thing no longer worked. Would you not have an

option to be able to choose when you do an upgrade on

a mission critical device?



It;s really an unbelievable example of making something

cute without regard for reliability. IMO, it's a bunch

of hippies with no HVAC experience trying to trick people

into something that's cool for $250.



And to top it off, Google just bought this pile of crap

for $2bil. Unbelievable.

Forgot to include the link to the 1900 reviews at Amazon:


http://www.amazon.com/Nest-Learning-...owViewpoints=1

How something this crappy can have a 4 star rating at Amazon
is another interesting question.....

wrote:
On Monday, January 27, 2014 10:53:43 AM UTC-5, wrote:
I first heard about this a couple years ago and the whole

concept sounded a bit dubious. Apparently the guy responsible

for the Ipod design at Apple started a company to make a

thermostat. It's a beautiful design, a retro, round thermostat

that look really cool. But, even upon first hearing about it,

I was a bit skeptical. It has motion sensors in it and it's

supposed to come up with a setback schedule based on how it

learns your temp settings and occupancy patterns. It was

a thermostat for those too lazy to spend 15 mins figuring out

how to program one of the typical digital ones. For me,

it made little sense. But, I could see it being used in

say vacation rental properties.



Recently, I got a little more cuious and started to check it

out. Anyone that's interested in a good laugh, should see

the reviews at Amazon. What a cluster f**. From reading

the reviews, apparently some of the major problems a



It lacks a hold button. So, this thing that makes up schedules

on it's own, can set the temp to whatever it pleases and

you can't just set a temp and select to hold it. Could

anyone be so dumb as to not include that? And they've

been told for years now that customers say that's a big

problem. You come home from work sick, set it to 72 and

then it just proceeds to do whatever it wants and you

don't even know what it plans to do. So, 30 mins later,

it could be back to 60F and without checking it constantly,

you wouldn't even know.



In the interests of widespread compatibility, they pretend

it can work with systems that don't have a wire for power.

So, they try to steal power to charge the battery from the

wires coming from the furnace. That was probably OK when

everyone had an old furnace with a Xformer and relay. But

now furnaces have circuit boards that use little current.

Net result, the battery doesn;t get charged. And in an

attempt to charge it, the Nest apparently fires up the

HVAC even when it's not needed. but even that doesn't

appear to work.



To try to fit 10lbs of stuff into a 2 lb little round

thermostat, apparently they put FET transistors into

the base, instead of using relays like most thermostats.

The FETS are apparently failing all over the place and

when they fail, they fail ON. So, you have many people

reporting that the Nest has either the heat or the AC

on constantly. Some have BOTH on at the same time!

There are reports of people coming home when it's 20F

outside and finding their AC running. And this from

a widget that was gonna save you money.



Then there is the self-heating problem. It has wifi

built in, which I'd want in a new thermostat. But,

cramming that 10 lbs of stuff into a 2 lb bag apparently

has resulted in the unit self-heating. So people are

saying that the house is 75 but the thermostat thinks

it's 80, so it's running the AC.



Then there is the issue that since it's wifi connected,

Nest can download new software to it at any time and

you have no option to decline. Apparently they just

did such a download, and it drained people's batteries

so the thing no longer worked. Would you not have an

option to be able to choose when you do an upgrade on

a mission critical device?



It;s really an unbelievable example of making something

cute without regard for reliability. IMO, it's a bunch

of hippies with no HVAC experience trying to trick people

into something that's cool for $250.



And to top it off, Google just bought this pile of crap

for $2bil. Unbelievable.

Forgot to include the link to the 1900 reviews at Amazon:


http://www.amazon.com/Nest-Learning-...owViewpoints=1

How something this crappy can have a 4 star rating at Amazon
is another interesting question.....

Hi,
You have to read reviews with grain of salt.
I even suspect there are paid professional reviewers
praising junk products. On the other hand some good stuffs
are rated low because buyer(s) not smart enough to
use the product properly. I think technology advancement
makes people dumber. I am afraid down the road Google will even own some
government(s), LOL!

"Tony Hwang" wrote in message
...
praising junk products. On the other hand some good stuffs
are rated low because buyer(s) not smart enough to
use the product properly. I think technology advancement
makes people dumber. I am afraid down the road Google will even own some
government(s), LOL!

The techology does seem to have dumbed down people doing some simple tasks.
Just try and have them makc change at a store if the computers are down.
Some don;t even seem to be able to take cash as so many just swipe a card
now.
Google probably has as much money pass through it as many small countries.
Could probably buy some of them.

I understand some in Texas are wanting to cut the state into thirds and get
a few more congressmen.



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On Mon, 27 Jan 2014 07:53:43 -0800 (PST), "
wrote:

Then there is the issue that since it's wifi connected,
Nest can download new software to it at any time and
you have no option to decline.

A poster recently said here, he gets advertisements on his Nest.

Next is ordering milk and eggs when the refrigerator notes things are
getting low.

See "The Internet of Things"

"Connected devices can communicate with consumers, transmit data back
to companies, and compile data for third parties such as researchers,
health care providers, or even other consumers, who can measure how
their product usage compares with that of their neighbors."

http://www.ftc.gov/news-events/events-calendar/2013/11/internet-things-privacy-and-security-connected-world

Spit

posted for all of us...

And I know how to SNIP


I first heard about this a couple years ago and the whole
concept sounded a bit dubious. Apparently the guy responsible
for the Ipod design at Apple started a company to make a
thermostat. It's a beautiful design, a retro, round thermostat
that look really cool. But, even upon first hearing about it,
I was a bit skeptical. It has motion sensors in it and it's
supposed to come up with a setback schedule based on how it
learns your temp settings and occupancy patterns. It was
a thermostat for those too lazy to spend 15 mins figuring out
how to program one of the typical digital ones. For me,
it made little sense. But, I could see it being used in
say vacation rental properties.

Recently, I got a little more cuious and started to check it
out. Anyone that's interested in a good laugh, should see
the reviews at Amazon. What a cluster f**. From reading
the reviews, apparently some of the major problems a

It lacks a hold button. So, this thing that makes up schedules
on it's own, can set the temp to whatever it pleases and
you can't just set a temp and select to hold it. Could
anyone be so dumb as to not include that? And they've
been told for years now that customers say that's a big
problem. You come home from work sick, set it to 72 and
then it just proceeds to do whatever it wants and you
don't even know what it plans to do. So, 30 mins later,
it could be back to 60F and without checking it constantly,
you wouldn't even know.

In the interests of widespread compatibility, they pretend
it can work with systems that don't have a wire for power.
So, they try to steal power to charge the battery from the
wires coming from the furnace. That was probably OK when
everyone had an old furnace with a Xformer and relay. But
now furnaces have circuit boards that use little current.
Net result, the battery doesn;t get charged. And in an
attempt to charge it, the Nest apparently fires up the
HVAC even when it's not needed. but even that doesn't
appear to work.

To try to fit 10lbs of stuff into a 2 lb little round
thermostat, apparently they put FET transistors into
the base, instead of using relays like most thermostats.
The FETS are apparently failing all over the place and
when they fail, they fail ON. So, you have many people
reporting that the Nest has either the heat or the AC
on constantly. Some have BOTH on at the same time!
There are reports of people coming home when it's 20F
outside and finding their AC running. And this from
a widget that was gonna save you money.

Then there is the self-heating problem. It has wifi
built in, which I'd want in a new thermostat. But,
cramming that 10 lbs of stuff into a 2 lb bag apparently
has resulted in the unit self-heating. So people are
saying that the house is 75 but the thermostat thinks
it's 80, so it's running the AC.

Then there is the issue that since it's wifi connected,
Nest can download new software to it at any time and
you have no option to decline. Apparently they just
did such a download, and it drained people's batteries
so the thing no longer worked. Would you not have an
option to be able to choose when you do an upgrade on
a mission critical device?

It;s really an unbelievable example of making something
cute without regard for reliability. IMO, it's a bunch
of hippies with no HVAC experience trying to trick people
into something that's cool for $250.

And to top it off, Google just bought this pile of crap
for $2bil. Unbelievable.

The third line of your post sums it up.

--
Tekkie

Oren posted for all of us...

And I know how to SNIP

so the gov't can measure how
their product usage compares with that of their neighbors."


I hope it keeps track of the birth control
products so the f* mess can be figured out.

--
Tekkie

On Mon, 27 Jan 2014 07:53:43 -0800 (PST), "
wrote:

I first heard about this a couple years ago and the whole
concept sounded a bit dubious. Apparently the guy responsible
for the Ipod design at Apple started a company to make a
thermostat. It's a beautiful design, a retro, round thermostat
that look really cool. But, even upon first hearing about it,
I was a bit skeptical. It has motion sensors in it and it's
supposed to come up with a setback schedule based on how it
learns your temp settings and occupancy patterns. It was
a thermostat for those too lazy to spend 15 mins figuring out
how to program one of the typical digital ones. For me,
it made little sense. But, I could see it being used in
say vacation rental properties.

I have one. Though I bought because our other house was vacant and I
wanted to keep tabs on it for the Winter. I would have used the
remote features in the Summer, too.

Recently, I got a little more cuious and started to check it
out. Anyone that's interested in a good laugh, should see
the reviews at Amazon. What a cluster f**. From reading
the reviews, apparently some of the major problems a

It's amazing how some people will yammer on about what they have no
clue about.

It lacks a hold button. So, this thing that makes up schedules
on it's own, can set the temp to whatever it pleases and
you can't just set a temp and select to hold it. Could
anyone be so dumb as to not include that? And they've
been told for years now that customers say that's a big
problem. You come home from work sick, set it to 72 and
then it just proceeds to do whatever it wants and you
don't even know what it plans to do. So, 30 mins later,
it could be back to 60F and without checking it constantly,
you wouldn't even know.

Wrong. Set it to "Away". Program "Away" to anything you want.

In the interests of widespread compatibility, they pretend
it can work with systems that don't have a wire for power.
So, they try to steal power to charge the battery from the
wires coming from the furnace. That was probably OK when
everyone had an old furnace with a Xformer and relay. But
now furnaces have circuit boards that use little current.
Net result, the battery doesn;t get charged. And in an
attempt to charge it, the Nest apparently fires up the
HVAC even when it's not needed. but even that doesn't
appear to work.

Wrong. My system has been on once in five months.

To try to fit 10lbs of stuff into a 2 lb little round
thermostat, apparently they put FET transistors into
the base, instead of using relays like most thermostats.
The FETS are apparently failing all over the place and
when they fail, they fail ON. So, you have many people
reporting that the Nest has either the heat or the AC
on constantly. Some have BOTH on at the same time!
There are reports of people coming home when it's 20F
outside and finding their AC running. And this from
a widget that was gonna save you money.

No experience with that here. It's been flawless.

Then there is the self-heating problem. It has wifi
built in, which I'd want in a new thermostat. But,
cramming that 10 lbs of stuff into a 2 lb bag apparently
has resulted in the unit self-heating. So people are
saying that the house is 75 but the thermostat thinks
it's 80, so it's running the AC.

More uneducated nonsense.

Then there is the issue that since it's wifi connected,
Nest can download new software to it at any time and
you have no option to decline. Apparently they just
did such a download, and it drained people's batteries
so the thing no longer worked. Would you not have an
option to be able to choose when you do an upgrade on
a mission critical device?

That part is true. I'm not happy, now that Google bought the company.
I'm considering whether to buy another or scrap the whole thing for an
alternative.

It;s really an unbelievable example of making something
cute without regard for reliability. IMO, it's a bunch
of hippies with no HVAC experience trying to trick people
into something that's cool for $250.

People will bitch about anything. You bitch about what you have no
knowledge of.

And to top it off, Google just bought this pile of crap
for $2bil. Unbelievable.

$3B, but who's counting.

On Mon, 27 Jan 2014 11:49:29 -0800, Oren wrote:

On Mon, 27 Jan 2014 07:53:43 -0800 (PST), "
wrote:

Then there is the issue that since it's wifi connected,
Nest can download new software to it at any time and
you have no option to decline.

A poster recently said here, he gets advertisements on his Nest.

When did you start believing what "posters recently said here"?

I like my Nest. I *don't* like Google owning them.

On Mon, 27 Jan 2014 21:05:16 -0500, wrote:

On Mon, 27 Jan 2014 11:49:29 -0800, Oren wrote:

On Mon, 27 Jan 2014 07:53:43 -0800 (PST), "
wrote:

Then there is the issue that since it's wifi connected,
Nest can download new software to it at any time and
you have no option to decline.

A poster recently said here, he gets advertisements on his Nest.

When did you start believing what "posters recently said here"?

I like my Nest. I *don't* like Google owning them.

Where did I say I believed? Point me to it.

SMS (?) is the poster that made the comment. Ask him about messages HE
said he received on his stupid-assed Nest.

Do a Google search for the fairly recent thread article,

Because you bought into the early concept of Nest, doesn't mean
others did.

On Monday, January 27, 2014 9:02:59 PM UTC-5, wrote:
On Mon, 27 Jan 2014 07:53:43 -0800 (PST), "

wrote:



I first heard about this a couple years ago and the whole

concept sounded a bit dubious. Apparently the guy responsible

for the Ipod design at Apple started a company to make a

thermostat. It's a beautiful design, a retro, round thermostat

that look really cool. But, even upon first hearing about it,

I was a bit skeptical. It has motion sensors in it and it's

supposed to come up with a setback schedule based on how it

learns your temp settings and occupancy patterns. It was

a thermostat for those too lazy to spend 15 mins figuring out

how to program one of the typical digital ones. For me,

it made little sense. But, I could see it being used in

say vacation rental properties.



I have one. Though I bought because our other house was vacant and I

wanted to keep tabs on it for the Winter. I would have used the

remote features in the Summer, too.



There are many other thermostats that have that capability, including
the Honeywell VisionPro. After reading those reviews on Amazon, the
Nest is the last think I'd ever rely on at someplace that's vacant.
Read all the Amazon reviews where either the heat was full on or
the AC, or both. And by full on, I don't mean up to some max temp
of 85, 90, etc. I mean the thing was shorted so the furnace was
running 100% of the time.




Recently, I got a little more cuious and started to check it

out. Anyone that's interested in a good laugh, should see

the reviews at Amazon. What a cluster f**. From reading

the reviews, apparently some of the major problems a



It's amazing how some people will yammer on about what they have no

clue about.



Who would those people be? There are 1900 reviews of the Nest
on Amazon written by people who own or owned them. Some of
the very first ones that come up are by HVAC techs that install
them. Many are also by people who say they are experienced with
electroncs, furnaces, etc. and what they are reporting sounds
credible, unless you think some newbie knows what a FET is and
how it's different than a relay. And the complaints are
remarkably similar, eg that they
use FETS on the backplate that fail, leaving the system on full
heat or cool, etc. That the batteries die because it can't steal
power from their system and then the wifi drops, etc.
That there is no hold button, etc.

Oh, I understand another nice feature is that like Apple
products, it has a battery that's supposed to last 5 years or
so and that you can't replace. That's nice on a $250 thermostat.
Can't replace the battery, so you do what? Just wait until
it dies one fine day in winter? Get a new one every 2 years so
you have confidence it will keep working?




It lacks a hold button. So, this thing that makes up schedules

on it's own, can set the temp to whatever it pleases and

you can't just set a temp and select to hold it. Could

anyone be so dumb as to not include that? And they've

been told for years now that customers say that's a big

problem. You come home from work sick, set it to 72 and

then it just proceeds to do whatever it wants and you

don't even know what it plans to do. So, 30 mins later,

it could be back to 60F and without checking it constantly,

you wouldn't even know.



Wrong. Set it to "Away". Program "Away" to anything you want.



Why should you have to "program" the away temp? If it's
currently 70F, the thermostat is set to 70F, then with any
other thermostat I've ever seen, including the $20 ones,
you just push a button and it stays at the current temp.
And if next time you want it to hold the current temp,
you don't have to program what away is set to again.
If it's 65 and you want it to stay 65, you just push the
button that says "hold".





In the interests of widespread compatibility, they pretend

it can work with systems that don't have a wire for power.

So, they try to steal power to charge the battery from the

wires coming from the furnace. That was probably OK when

everyone had an old furnace with a Xformer and relay. But

now furnaces have circuit boards that use little current.

Net result, the battery doesn;t get charged. And in an

attempt to charge it, the Nest apparently fires up the

HVAC even when it's not needed. but even that doesn't

appear to work.



Wrong. My system has been on once in five months.



Did you read all the posts on Amazon? Because yours works
doesn't mean they all work, with all types, brands of
furnaces. There are a whole range of failures, from it would
not work with their system out of the box, to it worked for
just a few days, to it failed after a few months. Maybe your
time is coming.





To try to fit 10lbs of stuff into a 2 lb little round

thermostat, apparently they put FET transistors into

the base, instead of using relays like most thermostats.

The FETS are apparently failing all over the place and

when they fail, they fail ON. So, you have many people

reporting that the Nest has either the heat or the AC

on constantly. Some have BOTH on at the same time!

There are reports of people coming home when it's 20F

outside and finding their AC running. And this from

a widget that was gonna save you money.



No experience with that here. It's been flawless.



Hmmm, your experience with one, versus 1900 reports on Amazon.
Which has more relevance? And even your doesn't have a hold
button.




Then there is the self-heating problem. It has wifi

built in, which I'd want in a new thermostat. But,

cramming that 10 lbs of stuff into a 2 lb bag apparently

has resulted in the unit self-heating. So people are

saying that the house is 75 but the thermostat thinks

it's 80, so it's running the AC.



More uneducated nonsense.


It's been reported by many people on Amazon. Did you even
read the reports? People have documented it, using thermometers.
The house is 64, the thermostat is set to and thinks it's 70,
because it is 70 at the themostat.






Then there is the issue that since it's wifi connected,

Nest can download new software to it at any time and

you have no option to decline. Apparently they just

did such a download, and it drained people's batteries

so the thing no longer worked. Would you not have an

option to be able to choose when you do an upgrade on

a mission critical device?



That part is true. I'm not happy, now that Google bought the company.

I'm considering whether to buy another or scrap the whole thing for an

alternative.



Oh my, if it works so well, why would you do that?



It;s really an unbelievable example of making something

cute without regard for reliability. IMO, it's a bunch

of hippies with no HVAC experience trying to trick people

into something that's cool for $250.



People will bitch about anything. You bitch about what you have no

knowledge of.



I'm not the one bitching, idiot. I just referred anyone who is
interested to the 1900 reviews by people on Amazon and some of
the major issues many people are reporting. Not just one or two
people, but many people describing the exact problem.

There's even ones there complaining about the
Nest not having a hold button. They said 400 people have made
that complaint on the Nest customer forum. Nest even responded
to that complaint on Amazon. They didn't deny that it has no
hold feature or offer a way around it. They said they are always
looking at improvements, please post your comments on our website.
Another reviewer says 400 people have posted that for years and
Nest still hasn't done anything. Let's see, you build a thermostat,
but you're too dumb to know people need a "hold" button.

Tekkie® wrote:

The third line of your post sums it up.

Then why did you have to be a moron and full-quote the entire post -
instead of just the third line?

Home|Guy "Home"@.guy,com wrote in :

Tekkie® wrote:

The third line of your post sums it up.

Then why did you have to be a moron and full-quote the entire post -
instead of just the third line?


Because he *is* a moron, and that's what morons do.

wrote in message
...

I first heard about this a couple years ago and the whole

problem. You come home from work sick, set it to 72 and
then it just proceeds to do whatever it wants and you
don't even know what it plans to do. So, 30 mins later,
it .
The FETS are apparently failing all over the place and
when they fail, they fail ON. So, you have many people
reporting that the Nest has either the heat or the AC
on constantly. Some have BOTH on at the same time!
There are reports of people coming home when it's 20F
outside and finding their AC running. And this from
a widget that was gonna save you money.

Snip

I use a thermostat called Ultra Bought them several years ago. Running 6
zones on hot water heat and 1 zone on AC. Can set for 4 changes a day and
vary the changes for each day. Have had no problems . If I recall they cost
less than $40. WW

On Mon, 27 Jan 2014 19:57:16 -0800, Oren wrote:

On Mon, 27 Jan 2014 21:05:16 -0500, wrote:

On Mon, 27 Jan 2014 11:49:29 -0800, Oren wrote:

On Mon, 27 Jan 2014 07:53:43 -0800 (PST), "
wrote:

Then there is the issue that since it's wifi connected,
Nest can download new software to it at any time and
you have no option to decline.

A poster recently said here, he gets advertisements on his Nest.

When did you start believing what "posters recently said here"?

I like my Nest. I *don't* like Google owning them.

Where did I say I believed? Point me to it.

You repeated it. That, alone, gives it some credence. ;-)

SMS (?) is the poster that made the comment. Ask him about messages HE
said he received on his stupid-assed Nest.

Do a Google search for the fairly recent thread article,

Because you bought into the early concept of Nest, doesn't mean
others did.

I "bought into" it because it solved a problem (house vacant for maybe
a year). I don't really care what others "bought into". If you don't
want the features, no skin off my nose. I'm not a lefty.

On Tue, 28 Jan 2014 05:26:46 -0800 (PST), "
wrote:

On Monday, January 27, 2014 9:02:59 PM UTC-5, wrote:
On Mon, 27 Jan 2014 07:53:43 -0800 (PST), "

wrote:



I first heard about this a couple years ago and the whole

concept sounded a bit dubious. Apparently the guy responsible

for the Ipod design at Apple started a company to make a

thermostat. It's a beautiful design, a retro, round thermostat

that look really cool. But, even upon first hearing about it,

I was a bit skeptical. It has motion sensors in it and it's

supposed to come up with a setback schedule based on how it

learns your temp settings and occupancy patterns. It was

a thermostat for those too lazy to spend 15 mins figuring out

how to program one of the typical digital ones. For me,

it made little sense. But, I could see it being used in

say vacation rental properties.



I have one. Though I bought because our other house was vacant and I

wanted to keep tabs on it for the Winter. I would have used the

remote features in the Summer, too.



There are many other thermostats that have that capability, including
the Honeywell VisionPro. After reading those reviews on Amazon, the
Nest is the last think I'd ever rely on at someplace that's vacant.
Read all the Amazon reviews where either the heat was full on or
the AC, or both. And by full on, I don't mean up to some max temp
of 85, 90, etc. I mean the thing was shorted so the furnace was
running 100% of the time.

So what? If your holiness doesn't want one, don't buy one. Good God,
what a ****in' idiot!

snipped a waste of time

On Tue, 28 Jan 2014 09:51:01 -0700, "WW"
wrote:



wrote in message
...

I first heard about this a couple years ago and the whole

problem. You come home from work sick, set it to 72 and
then it just proceeds to do whatever it wants and you
don't even know what it plans to do. So, 30 mins later,
it .
The FETS are apparently failing all over the place and
when they fail, they fail ON. So, you have many people
reporting that the Nest has either the heat or the AC
on constantly. Some have BOTH on at the same time!
There are reports of people coming home when it's 20F
outside and finding their AC running. And this from
a widget that was gonna save you money.

Snip

I use a thermostat called Ultra Bought them several years ago. Running 6
zones on hot water heat and 1 zone on AC. Can set for 4 changes a day and
vary the changes for each day. Have had no problems . If I recall they cost
less than $40. WW

Is connected to your router via WiFi? If so, maybe I'm interested.

On Tuesday, January 28, 2014 6:12:08 PM UTC-5, wrote:
On Tue, 28 Jan 2014 09:51:01 -0700, "WW"

wrote:







wrote in message

...



I first heard about this a couple years ago and the whole



problem. You come home from work sick, set it to 72 and

then it just proceeds to do whatever it wants and you

don't even know what it plans to do. So, 30 mins later,

it .

The FETS are apparently failing all over the place and

when they fail, they fail ON. So, you have many people

reporting that the Nest has either the heat or the AC

on constantly. Some have BOTH on at the same time!

There are reports of people coming home when it's 20F

outside and finding their AC running. And this from

a widget that was gonna save you money.



Snip



I use a thermostat called Ultra Bought them several years ago. Running 6

zones on hot water heat and 1 zone on AC. Can set for 4 changes a day and

vary the changes for each day. Have had no problems . If I recall they cost

less than $40. WW



Is connected to your router via WiFi? If so, maybe I'm interested.

What, google's broken? There are lots of thermostats that
are wifi now and that work, unlike apparently the Nest.

wrote in message
...
On Mon, 27 Jan 2014 07:53:43 -0800 (PST), "
wrote:

I first heard about this a couple years ago and the whole
concept sounded a bit dubious. Apparently the guy responsible
for the Ipod design at Apple started a company to make a
thermostat. It's a beautiful design, a retro, round thermostat
that look really cool. But, even upon first hearing about it,
I was a bit skeptical. It has motion sensors in it and it's
supposed to come up with a setback schedule based on how it
learns your temp settings and occupancy patterns. It was
a thermostat for those too lazy to spend 15 mins figuring out
how to program one of the typical digital ones. For me,
it made little sense. But, I could see it being used in
say vacation rental properties.

I have one. Though I bought because our other house was vacant and I
wanted to keep tabs on it for the Winter. I would have used the
remote features in the Summer, too.

Recently, I got a little more cuious and started to check it
out. Anyone that's interested in a good laugh, should see
the reviews at Amazon. What a cluster f**. From reading
the reviews, apparently some of the major problems a

It's amazing how some people will yammer on about what they have no
clue about.

It lacks a hold button. So, this thing that makes up schedules
on it's own, can set the temp to whatever it pleases and
you can't just set a temp and select to hold it. Could
anyone be so dumb as to not include that? And they've
been told for years now that customers say that's a big
problem. You come home from work sick, set it to 72 and
then it just proceeds to do whatever it wants and you
don't even know what it plans to do. So, 30 mins later,
it could be back to 60F and without checking it constantly,
you wouldn't even know.

Wrong. Set it to "Away". Program "Away" to anything you want.

In the interests of widespread compatibility, they pretend
it can work with systems that don't have a wire for power.
So, they try to steal power to charge the battery from the
wires coming from the furnace. That was probably OK when
everyone had an old furnace with a Xformer and relay. But
now furnaces have circuit boards that use little current.
Net result, the battery doesn;t get charged. And in an
attempt to charge it, the Nest apparently fires up the
HVAC even when it's not needed. but even that doesn't
appear to work.

Wrong. My system has been on once in five months.

To try to fit 10lbs of stuff into a 2 lb little round
thermostat, apparently they put FET transistors into
the base, instead of using relays like most thermostats.
The FETS are apparently failing all over the place and
when they fail, they fail ON. So, you have many people
reporting that the Nest has either the heat or the AC
on constantly. Some have BOTH on at the same time!
There are reports of people coming home when it's 20F
outside and finding their AC running. And this from
a widget that was gonna save you money.

No experience with that here. It's been flawless.

Then there is the self-heating problem. It has wifi
built in, which I'd want in a new thermostat. But,
cramming that 10 lbs of stuff into a 2 lb bag apparently
has resulted in the unit self-heating. So people are
saying that the house is 75 but the thermostat thinks
it's 80, so it's running the AC.

More uneducated nonsense.

Then there is the issue that since it's wifi connected,
Nest can download new software to it at any time and
you have no option to decline. Apparently they just
did such a download, and it drained people's batteries
so the thing no longer worked. Would you not have an
option to be able to choose when you do an upgrade on
a mission critical device?

That part is true. I'm not happy, now that Google bought the company.
I'm considering whether to buy another or scrap the whole thing for an
alternative.

It;s really an unbelievable example of making something
cute without regard for reliability. IMO, it's a bunch
of hippies with no HVAC experience trying to trick people
into something that's cool for $250.

People will bitch about anything. You bitch about what you have no
knowledge of.

And to top it off, Google just bought this pile of crap
for $2bil. Unbelievable.

$3B, but who's counting.

I have one too -- with none of the problems described above.

If the thermostat fails and fails in the heat-on position, that is what I
would want in the middle of winter where I would have frozen pipes and water
damage if it failed in the heat-off position. If I was home when it failed I
certainly would notice. If it failed in the air conditioning mode on
position, I may not notice for a while because my system often will normally
run 24/7 in a heat wave.

On Wed, 29 Jan 2014 13:51:53 -0500, "EXT"
wrote:


wrote in message
.. .
On Mon, 27 Jan 2014 07:53:43 -0800 (PST), "
wrote:

I first heard about this a couple years ago and the whole
concept sounded a bit dubious. Apparently the guy responsible
for the Ipod design at Apple started a company to make a
thermostat. It's a beautiful design, a retro, round thermostat
that look really cool. But, even upon first hearing about it,
I was a bit skeptical. It has motion sensors in it and it's
supposed to come up with a setback schedule based on how it
learns your temp settings and occupancy patterns. It was
a thermostat for those too lazy to spend 15 mins figuring out
how to program one of the typical digital ones. For me,
it made little sense. But, I could see it being used in
say vacation rental properties.

I have one. Though I bought because our other house was vacant and I
wanted to keep tabs on it for the Winter. I would have used the
remote features in the Summer, too.

Recently, I got a little more cuious and started to check it
out. Anyone that's interested in a good laugh, should see
the reviews at Amazon. What a cluster f**. From reading
the reviews, apparently some of the major problems a

It's amazing how some people will yammer on about what they have no
clue about.

It lacks a hold button. So, this thing that makes up schedules
on it's own, can set the temp to whatever it pleases and
you can't just set a temp and select to hold it. Could
anyone be so dumb as to not include that? And they've
been told for years now that customers say that's a big
problem. You come home from work sick, set it to 72 and
then it just proceeds to do whatever it wants and you
don't even know what it plans to do. So, 30 mins later,
it could be back to 60F and without checking it constantly,
you wouldn't even know.

Wrong. Set it to "Away". Program "Away" to anything you want.

In the interests of widespread compatibility, they pretend
it can work with systems that don't have a wire for power.
So, they try to steal power to charge the battery from the
wires coming from the furnace. That was probably OK when
everyone had an old furnace with a Xformer and relay. But
now furnaces have circuit boards that use little current.
Net result, the battery doesn;t get charged. And in an
attempt to charge it, the Nest apparently fires up the
HVAC even when it's not needed. but even that doesn't
appear to work.

Wrong. My system has been on once in five months.

To try to fit 10lbs of stuff into a 2 lb little round
thermostat, apparently they put FET transistors into
the base, instead of using relays like most thermostats.
The FETS are apparently failing all over the place and
when they fail, they fail ON. So, you have many people
reporting that the Nest has either the heat or the AC
on constantly. Some have BOTH on at the same time!
There are reports of people coming home when it's 20F
outside and finding their AC running. And this from
a widget that was gonna save you money.

No experience with that here. It's been flawless.

Then there is the self-heating problem. It has wifi
built in, which I'd want in a new thermostat. But,
cramming that 10 lbs of stuff into a 2 lb bag apparently
has resulted in the unit self-heating. So people are
saying that the house is 75 but the thermostat thinks
it's 80, so it's running the AC.

More uneducated nonsense.

Then there is the issue that since it's wifi connected,
Nest can download new software to it at any time and
you have no option to decline. Apparently they just
did such a download, and it drained people's batteries
so the thing no longer worked. Would you not have an
option to be able to choose when you do an upgrade on
a mission critical device?

That part is true. I'm not happy, now that Google bought the company.
I'm considering whether to buy another or scrap the whole thing for an
alternative.

It;s really an unbelievable example of making something
cute without regard for reliability. IMO, it's a bunch
of hippies with no HVAC experience trying to trick people
into something that's cool for $250.

People will bitch about anything. You bitch about what you have no
knowledge of.

And to top it off, Google just bought this pile of crap
for $2bil. Unbelievable.

$3B, but who's counting.

I have one too -- with none of the problems described above.

If the thermostat fails and fails in the heat-on position, that is what I
would want in the middle of winter where I would have frozen pipes and water
damage if it failed in the heat-off position. If I was home when it failed I
certainly would notice. If it failed in the air conditioning mode on
position, I may not notice for a while because my system often will normally
run 24/7 in a heat wave.

My downstairs systems (the Nest is on the upstairs) often runs 24/7 in
the Winter. If it's below 20F, or so, at night it's all it can do to
keep up. The night it was 7F it dropped 3F from the set point.

On Tue, 28 Jan 2014 18:03:11 -0800 (PST), "
wrote:

On Tuesday, January 28, 2014 6:12:08 PM UTC-5, wrote:
On Tue, 28 Jan 2014 09:51:01 -0700, "WW"

wrote:







wrote in message

...



I first heard about this a couple years ago and the whole



problem. You come home from work sick, set it to 72 and

then it just proceeds to do whatever it wants and you

don't even know what it plans to do. So, 30 mins later,

it .

The FETS are apparently failing all over the place and

when they fail, they fail ON. So, you have many people

reporting that the Nest has either the heat or the AC

on constantly. Some have BOTH on at the same time!

There are reports of people coming home when it's 20F

outside and finding their AC running. And this from

a widget that was gonna save you money.



Snip



I use a thermostat called Ultra Bought them several years ago. Running 6

zones on hot water heat and 1 zone on AC. Can set for 4 changes a day and

vary the changes for each day. Have had no problems . If I recall they cost

less than $40. WW



Is connected to your router via WiFi? If so, maybe I'm interested.

What, google's broken? There are lots of thermostats that
are wifi now and that work, unlike apparently the Nest.

You ****in' illiterate idiot. I was asking if his $40 thermostat was
wifi connected.

Nat Gas up over 10% today, maybe Google knows more than we thought,
http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=UNG&...=on&z=l&q=l&c=

On Wednesday, January 29, 2014 3:12:49 PM UTC-5, wrote:
On Tue, 28 Jan 2014 18:03:11 -0800 (PST), "

wrote:



On Tuesday, January 28, 2014 6:12:08 PM UTC-5, wrote:

On Tue, 28 Jan 2014 09:51:01 -0700, "WW"



wrote:















wrote in message



...







I first heard about this a couple years ago and the whole







problem. You come home from work sick, set it to 72 and



then it just proceeds to do whatever it wants and you



don't even know what it plans to do. So, 30 mins later,



it .



The FETS are apparently failing all over the place and



when they fail, they fail ON. So, you have many people



reporting that the Nest has either the heat or the AC



on constantly. Some have BOTH on at the same time!



There are reports of people coming home when it's 20F



outside and finding their AC running. And this from



a widget that was gonna save you money.







Snip







I use a thermostat called Ultra Bought them several years ago. Running 6



zones on hot water heat and 1 zone on AC. Can set for 4 changes a day and



vary the changes for each day. Have had no problems . If I recall they cost



less than $40. WW







Is connected to your router via WiFi? If so, maybe I'm interested.



What, google's broken? There are lots of thermostats that

are wifi now and that work, unlike apparently the Nest.



You ****in' illiterate idiot. I was asking if his $40 thermostat was

wifi connected.

Heh, don't get all sore at me. I'm not the one that paid $250 for
a thermostat that doesn't have a simple hold button.

PS: You can get a real wifi thermostat for less than half that.

On Wed, 29 Jan 2014 14:02:27 -0800 (PST), "
wrote:

On Wednesday, January 29, 2014 3:12:49 PM UTC-5, wrote:
On Tue, 28 Jan 2014 18:03:11 -0800 (PST), "

wrote:



On Tuesday, January 28, 2014 6:12:08 PM UTC-5, wrote:

On Tue, 28 Jan 2014 09:51:01 -0700, "WW"



wrote:















wrote in message



...







I first heard about this a couple years ago and the whole







problem. You come home from work sick, set it to 72 and



then it just proceeds to do whatever it wants and you



don't even know what it plans to do. So, 30 mins later,



it .



The FETS are apparently failing all over the place and



when they fail, they fail ON. So, you have many people



reporting that the Nest has either the heat or the AC



on constantly. Some have BOTH on at the same time!



There are reports of people coming home when it's 20F



outside and finding their AC running. And this from



a widget that was gonna save you money.







Snip







I use a thermostat called Ultra Bought them several years ago. Running 6



zones on hot water heat and 1 zone on AC. Can set for 4 changes a day and



vary the changes for each day. Have had no problems . If I recall they cost



less than $40. WW







Is connected to your router via WiFi? If so, maybe I'm interested.



What, google's broken? There are lots of thermostats that

are wifi now and that work, unlike apparently the Nest.



You ****in' illiterate idiot. I was asking if his $40 thermostat was

wifi connected.

Heh, don't get all sore at me. I'm not the one that paid $250 for
a thermostat that doesn't have a simple hold button.

You continuously prove that you're illiterate but this is one of the
times you show how stupid you really are.

PS: You can get a real wifi thermostat for less than half that.

For $40, dummy? Try reading.

Ralph Mowery wrote:
"Tony Hwang" wrote in message
...
praising junk products. On the other hand some good stuffs
are rated low because buyer(s) not smart enough to
use the product properly. I think technology advancement
makes people dumber. I am afraid down the road Google will even own some
government(s), LOL!

The techology does seem to have dumbed down people doing some simple tasks.
Just try and have them makc change at a store if the computers are down.
Some don;t even seem to be able to take cash as so many just swipe a card
now.
Google probably has as much money pass through it as many small countries.
Could probably buy some of them.

I understand some in Texas are wanting to cut the state into thirds and get
a few more congressmen.

As does some in California, but into 6 states.
http://preview.tinyurl.com/psdjfks
How would they initialize North California and South California? NC and
SC are already taken by the Carolinas.



--
Bill
In Hamptonburgh, NY
In the original Orange County. Est. 1683
To email, remove the double zeros after @

On 1/31/2014 5:48 PM, willshak wrote:
Ralph Mowery wrote:
"Tony Hwang" wrote in message
...
praising junk products. On the other hand some good stuffs
are rated low because buyer(s) not smart enough to
use the product properly. I think technology advancement
makes people dumber. I am afraid down the road Google will even own
some government(s), LOL!

The techology does seem to have dumbed down people doing some simple
tasks. Just try and have them makc change at a store if the computers
are down. Some don;t even seem to be able to take cash as so many just
swipe a card now.
Google probably has as much money pass through it as many small
countries.
Could probably buy some of them.

I understand some in Texas are wanting to cut the state into thirds
and get a few more congressmen.

As does some in California, but into 6 states.
http://preview.tinyurl.com/psdjfks
How would they initialize North California and South California? NC and
SC are already taken by the Carolinas.




Rename them Dumb and Dumber.

On 1/31/2014 9:06 PM, Steve F. wrote:
On 1/31/2014 5:48 PM, willshak wrote:
As does some in California, but into 6 states.
http://preview.tinyurl.com/psdjfks
How would they initialize North California and South California? NC and
SC are already taken by the Carolinas.

Rename them Dumb and Dumber.

How about NM and SM, for North Mexifornia,
and South Mexifornia. Naah, NM is New
Mexico. This will take some thought.


--
..
Christopher A. Young
Learn about Jesus
www.lds.org
..

On Fri, 31 Jan 2014 21:23:06 -0500, Stormin Mormon
wrote:

On 1/31/2014 9:06 PM, Steve F. wrote:
On 1/31/2014 5:48 PM, willshak wrote:
As does some in California, but into 6 states.
http://preview.tinyurl.com/psdjfks
How would they initialize North California and South California? NC and
SC are already taken by the Carolinas.

Rename them Dumb and Dumber.

How about NM and SM, for North Mexifornia,
and South Mexifornia. Naah, NM is New
Mexico. This will take some thought.

NBC and MBC? (North Baja California and Middle Baja California)