Concrete floor. Metal ring well fastened directly to floor. Ring surrounded by ceramic tile approximately 5/16 inches high. Because of this height do I need to add a second wax ring seal or is one enough?
All replies appreciated.
Ivan Veg vary

On 1/13/2014 2:26 PM, Ivan Vegvary wrote:
Concrete floor. Metal ring well fastened directly to floor. (snipped because of length)
All replies appreciated.
Ivan Veg vary


Just grab an X-Tra thick wax ring and that should be it.

On Mon, 13 Jan 2014 12:26:22 -0800 (PST), Ivan Vegvary
wrote:

Concrete floor. Metal ring well fastened directly to floor. Ring surrounded by ceramic tile approximately 5/16 inches high. Because of this height do I need to add a second wax ring seal or is one enough?
All replies appreciated.
Ivan Veg vary

Check into the newer "waxless toilet seal".

http://www.amazon.com/s/?ie=UTF8&keywords=waxless+toilet+seal&tag=mh0b-20&index=aps&hvadid=3521150479&ref=pd_sl_4m7ttrfl5 2_e

On Mon, 13 Jan 2014 12:26:22 -0800 (PST), Ivan Vegvary
wrote:

Concrete floor. Metal ring well fastened directly to floor. Ring surrounded by ceramic tile approximately 5/16 inches high. Because of this height do I need to add a second wax ring seal or is one enough?
All replies appreciated.
Ivan Veg vary
I would NEVER use 2 rings - they make extra thisk rings for that
exact situation

On Mon, 13 Jan 2014 16:47:59 -0800, Oren wrote:

On Mon, 13 Jan 2014 12:26:22 -0800 (PST), Ivan Vegvary
wrote:

Concrete floor. Metal ring well fastened directly to floor. Ring surrounded by ceramic tile approximately 5/16 inches high. Because of this height do I need to add a second wax ring seal or is one enough?
All replies appreciated.
Ivan Veg vary

Check into the newer "waxless toilet seal".

http://www.amazon.com/s/?ie=UTF8&keywords=waxless+toilet+seal&tag=mh0b-20&index=aps&hvadid=3521150479&ref=pd_sl_4m7ttrfl5 2_e
I actually like them better than wax too..

On Mon, 13 Jan 2014 20:03:16 -0500, wrote:

On Mon, 13 Jan 2014 16:47:59 -0800, Oren wrote:
....
Check into the newer "waxless toilet seal".

http://www.amazon.com/s/?ie=UTF8&keywords=waxless+toilet+seal&tag=mh0b-20&index=aps&hvadid=3521150479&ref=pd_sl_4m7ttrfl5 2_e
I actually like them better than wax too..

I tried to use one years ago. It was a shallow slope in the drain
line, which did not allow me to seat the seal down far enough.

I have not ruled them out for the future. Love the fact that they can
be used again and again.

On Monday, January 13, 2014 12:26:22 PM UTC-8, Ivan Vegvary wrote:
Concrete floor. Metal ring well fastened directly to floor. Ring surrounded by ceramic tile approximately 5/16 inches high. Because of this height do I need to add a second wax ring seal or is one enough?

All replies appreciated.

Ivan Veg vary

Waxless seals rule. I don't understand why anyone would ever use a wax ring anymore.

Harry K

On Monday, January 13, 2014 8:02:41 PM UTC-5, wrote:
On Mon, 13 Jan 2014 12:26:22 -0800 (PST), Ivan Vegvary

wrote:



Concrete floor. Metal ring well fastened directly to floor. Ring surrounded by ceramic tile approximately 5/16 inches high. Because of this height do I need to add a second wax ring seal or is one enough?

All replies appreciated.

Ivan Veg vary

I would NEVER use 2 rings - they make extra thisk rings for that

exact situation

+1

And the boxes at the stores should tell you what spacing
they will accomodate.

On Mon, 13 Jan 2014 21:28:22 -0800 (PST), Harry K
wrote:

On Monday, January 13, 2014 12:26:22 PM UTC-8, Ivan Vegvary wrote:
Concrete floor. Metal ring well fastened directly to floor. Ring surrounded by ceramic tile approximately 5/16 inches high. Because of this height do I need to add a second wax ring seal or is one enough?

All replies appreciated.

Ivan Veg vary

Waxless seals rule. I don't understand why anyone would ever use a wax ring anymore.

Harry K
The one with the "funnel" to keep water and waste from the actual
seal is fantastic.

Concrete floor. Metal ring well fastened directly to floor. Ring
surrounded by ceramic tile approximately 5/16 inches high. Because of
this height do I need to add a second wax ring seal or is one enough?
All replies appreciated.

*They make closet ring extensions:
https://www.google.com/search?q=clos...iw=800&bih=466

I forget what it is, but a certain type of caulk must be used on the
extension where it seats on the closet flange.

You might also need extra long bolts which are available.

On 1/14/2014 12:28 AM, Harry K wrote:
On Monday, January 13, 2014 12:26:22 PM UTC-8, Ivan Vegvary wrote:
Concrete floor. Metal ring well fastened directly to floor. Ring surrounded by ceramic tile approximately 5/16 inches high. Because of this height do I need to add a second wax ring seal or is one enough?

All replies appreciated.

Ivan Veg vary

Waxless seals rule. I don't understand why anyone would ever use a wax ring anymore.

Harry K


I can see a couple of reasons.

Tradition, old plumbers don't always want to switch from what works.

Cost, even though it is a $15,000 bathroom remodel the plumber saves a
buck.

They work. I have two toilets in my house. The downstairs was replaced
twice since the house was built 35 years go. The upstairs replaced just
this week and the ring worked well for all 35 years.

Based on past history, both of these toilets will still be in place when
I'm gone, so I don't really care what was used.

In my situation, the toilets stayed in place from installaction to the
time they were replaced. If you have to remove and re-install them
every couple of years I can see where it may make a difference.

On Tuesday, January 14, 2014 7:34:46 AM UTC-8, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 1/14/2014 12:28 AM, Harry K wrote:
Waxless seals rule. I don't understand why anyone would ever use a wax ring anymore.

Harry K

I can see a couple of reasons.

Tradition, old plumbers don't always want to switch from what works.

Cost, even though it is a $15,000 bathroom remodel the plumber saves a
buck.

Considering the time savings on installing them the waxless wins the economy argument.

They work. I have two toilets in my house. The downstairs was replaced
twice since the house was built 35 years go. The upstairs replaced just
this week and the ring worked well for all 35 years.

Waxless work also. I have never seen a report of a waxless failing - wax rings can and do fail.

Based on past history, both of these toilets will still be in place when
I'm gone, so I don't really care what was used.
In my situation, the toilets stayed in place from installaction to the

time they were replaced. If you have to remove and re-install them
every couple of years I can see where it may make a difference.

So you have never installed either a waxless or a wax ring I take it. Do it once and you will be convert to waxless.

Basically the only reason one, including plumbers, would use a wax ring anynmore is:

Tradition (old is better and I know them)
Some sort of problem with the piping that won't allow a waxless.

Harry K

On 1/14/2014 10:57 AM, Harry K wrote:

Cost, even though it is a $15,000 bathroom remodel the plumber saves a
buck.

Considering the time savings on installing them the waxless wins the economy argument.

Possibly if getting a flat rate for the job, but if you are getting paid
by the hour, longer is better.




So you have never installed either a waxless or a wax ring I take it. Do it once and you will be convert to waxless.

Basically the only reason one, including plumbers, would use a wax ring anynmore is:

Tradition (old is better and I know them)
Some sort of problem with the piping that won't allow a waxless.

Harry K


In my life, I've installed one wax ring, probably 25 years ago. I don't
recall having any type of problem or time drain to install it.

My toilet upstairs was just set yesterday and I don't know what he used
as I was not there. Based on my experience as a one time installer and
long time user/owner, I have no preference. Thinking back to my
previous house. we had a new toilet put in when we bought it and it was
still sitting in the same place 15 years later when we moved. Probably
was wax in 1966. It worked.

If you use them and have a preference, I'm OK with that, but nothing in
my experience shows different. They all have worked for as long as
needed. How do you improve on 100% performance?

Your experience if different so waxless is probably better for you.

Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 1/14/2014 10:57 AM, Harry K wrote:

Cost, even though it is a $15,000 bathroom remodel the plumber saves a
buck.

Considering the time savings on installing them the waxless wins the economy argument.

Possibly if getting a flat rate for the job, but if you are getting paid
by the hour, longer is better.




So you have never installed either a waxless or a wax ring I take it.
Do it once and you will be convert to waxless.

Basically the only reason one, including plumbers, would use a wax ring anynmore is:

Tradition (old is better and I know them)
Some sort of problem with the piping that won't allow a waxless.

Harry K


In my life, I've installed one wax ring, probably 25 years ago. I don't
recall having any type of problem or time drain to install it.

My toilet upstairs was just set yesterday and I don't know what he used
as I was not there. Based on my experience as a one time installer and
long time user/owner, I have no preference. Thinking back to my previous
house. we had a new toilet put in when we bought it and it was still
sitting in the same place 15 years later when we moved. Probably was wax
in 1966. It worked.

If you use them and have a preference, I'm OK with that, but nothing in
my experience shows different. They all have worked for as long as
needed. How do you improve on 100% performance?

Your experience if different so waxless is probably better for you.

I've lost track of how many wax rings I've installed. There have been
remodels of both bathrooms, one twice. There have been toilets that we
didn't like. There have been kids. Kids caused most of the issues by
dropping non-toilet-friendly items into the bowl, forcing an R&R. I always
kept a spare wax ring in the shop for those occasions. Beat running to the
store just to R&R a toilet.

I've only had one leaky toilet and it wasn't because of the wax ring, it
was because the cast iron flange cracked.

All that said, I didn't know about the wax less rings until recently, so I
can't speak to them, good or bad. The best I can say is that the next time
I need to pull a toilet, I'll consider a wax less ring, based on the
glowing reports I've heard about them.