I was just going through some 2005 photos and found one I took at work.
Some of my crewmen setting up a battery room.



https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.n...58483055_o.jpg



I was a service engineer at Enersys-Delaware


BTW: That is only half the room, there was an identical setup on the
other side.

philo wrote:
I was just going through some 2005 photos and found one I took at work.
Some of my crewmen setting up a battery room.



https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.n...58483055_o.jpg




I was a service engineer at Enersys-Delaware


BTW: That is only half the room, there was an identical setup on the
other side.
Hi,
Many of them but not really large in size. telco Switching plant battery
bank had lot bigger wet batteries.

On 01/05/2014 06:31 PM, Tony Hwang wrote:
philo wrote:
I was just going through some 2005 photos and found one I took at work.
Some of my crewmen setting up a battery room.



https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.n...58483055_o.jpg





I was a service engineer at Enersys-Delaware


BTW: That is only half the room, there was an identical setup on the
other side.
Hi,
Many of them but not really large in size. telco Switching plant battery
bank had lot bigger wet batteries.



Yep. IIRC it was around 1988 when Exide sold a stationary battery bank
to a power utility in California. The cells were approx 12" square and
there were something like 5000 of them. It was called the "mile long
battery".


Side note: Enersys-Delaware was spun off from Yuasa-Exide. Yuasa bought
a five year controlling interest in Exide. Prior to that , Yuasa-Exide
bought out the independent distributor I had originally worked for.


After the "spin-off" , Enerysy-Delaware manufacturered Exide batteries
and chargers but were /not/ allowed to use the name "Exide".


Those who owned the name "Exide" did not have a product...so they in
turn purchased Gould National Battery (which previously had purchased
Chloride Battery).

Since the distributor I originally worked for was a Chloride
distributor...having never changed jobs....after 38 years I ended up
working for a company that originally was a competitor.


It is a difficult story to explain to my friends so I just tell them:


Thing of it this way: "General Motors now builds Fords

and Ford Motor Company now builds Chevys."

On Sun, 05 Jan 2014 18:24:46 -0600, philo* wrote:

I was just going through some 2005 photos and found one I took at work.
Some of my crewmen setting up a battery room.



https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.n...58483055_o.jpg



I was a service engineer at Enersys-Delaware


BTW: That is only half the room, there was an identical setup on the
other side.

It looks like they're set up to do something, not just wait until
they're needed. What do they do?

On 01/06/2014 04:13 AM, micky wrote:
On Sun, 05 Jan 2014 18:24:46 -0600, philo wrote:

I was just going through some 2005 photos and found one I took at work.
Some of my crewmen setting up a battery room.



https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.n...58483055_o.jpg



I was a service engineer at Enersys-Delaware


BTW: That is only half the room, there was an identical setup on the
other side.

It looks like they're set up to do something, not just wait until
they're needed. What do they do?




Those are batteries for forklift trucks. The battery extractor is the
item you see at the back of the photo. It can extract a battery from a
forklift and go up four levels to retrieve one.

Propane forklifts are rarely used in warehouses any more and are mostly
used for extremely large loads, OTOH: The batteries pictured here are
merely average size. They can be as large as 4000# and require a
completely different system to install and extract.

On 1/5/2014 7:24 PM, philo wrote:
I was just going through some 2005 photos and found one I took at work.
Some of my crewmen setting up a battery room.



https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.n...58483055_o.jpg




I was a service engineer at Enersys-Delaware


BTW: That is only half the room, there was an identical setup on the
other side.

Are they wired for action, or just being warehoused?

--
..
Christopher A. Young
Learn about Jesus
www.lds.org
..

On 01/06/2014 07:35 AM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
On 1/5/2014 7:24 PM, philo wrote:
I was just going through some 2005 photos and found one I took at work.
Some of my crewmen setting up a battery room.



https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.n...58483055_o.jpg





I was a service engineer at Enersys-Delaware


BTW: That is only half the room, there was an identical setup on the
other side.

Are they wired for action, or just being warehoused?




That is the charging station. Chargers on top...batteries on the bottom
four rows. The forklift drivers have their batteries changed when they
are at 80% discharge.

On 1/6/2014 8:52 AM, philo wrote:
On 01/06/2014 07:35 AM, Stormin Mormon wrote:

https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.n...58483055_o.jpg

Are they wired for action, or just being warehoused?




That is the charging station. Chargers on top...batteries on the bottom
four rows. The forklift drivers have their batteries changed when they
are at 80% discharge.

Ah, that's interesting. The only time I've
worked with battery fork lift, had to drive
the lift to the charger, and plug in the big
cable. I guess one was a Clark, and had on
board charger. Plug into 110 VAC socket.

Looks like extra bother, to pull the battery
out for charging.

--
..
Christopher A. Young
Learn about Jesus
www.lds.org
..

On 01/06/2014 08:04 AM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
On 1/6/2014 8:52 AM, philo wrote:
On 01/06/2014 07:35 AM, Stormin Mormon wrote:

https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.n...58483055_o.jpg


Are they wired for action, or just being warehoused?




That is the charging station. Chargers on top...batteries on the bottom
four rows. The forklift drivers have their batteries changed when they
are at 80% discharge.

Ah, that's interesting. The only time I've
worked with battery fork lift, had to drive
the lift to the charger, and plug in the big
cable. I guess one was a Clark, and had on
board charger. Plug into 110 VAC socket.

Looks like extra bother, to pull the battery
out for charging.



These trucks are run 24/7 so the batteries need to be changed about
every eight hours or so. The chargers use 460v 3phase.

I was in the battery room when the warehouse experienced a momentary
power failure. The chargers are designed to restart randomly over a five
minute period after such a failure. It would not be good if they all
started at once!


Our company also sold a special "quick charge" battery and charger in
situations where it would be impractical to change batteries.

The driver would just put the battery on the charger whenever the truck
was not being used. The chargers and batteries had two sets of cables on
them...each set could be up to 250 amps (for 500 amps total).


The first time I had to work on one of them I got a bit nervous.

The chargers obviously can be turned off...but in the case of changing a
battery connector you have to be careful!



http://www.enersysmp.com/express.asp



Much to my surprise, the batteries did last as long as their warranty
period. I thought for sure they'd "burn out" in a year or two.

On 1/5/2014 7:50 PM, philo wrote:
https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.n...58483055_o.jpg
Yep. IIRC it was around 1988 when Exide sold a stationary battery bank
to a power utility in California. The cells were approx 12" square and
there were something like 5000 of them. It was called the "mile long
battery".


Side note: Enersys-Delaware was spun off from Yuasa-Exide. Yuasa bought
a five year controlling interest in Exide. Prior to that , Yuasa-Exide
bought out the independent distributor I had originally worked for.


After the "spin-off" , Enerysy-Delaware manufacturered Exide batteries
and chargers but were /not/ allowed to use the name "Exide".


Those who owned the name "Exide" did not have a product...so they in
turn purchased Gould National Battery (which previously had purchased
Chloride Battery).

Since the distributor I originally worked for was a Chloride
distributor...having never changed jobs....after 38 years I ended up
working for a company that originally was a competitor.


It is a difficult story to explain to my friends so I just tell them:


Thing of it this way: "General Motors now builds Fords

and Ford Motor Company now builds Chevys."

Post-merger names
http://www.netjeff.com/humor/item.cg...post.merge.txt

In the wake of the Exxon/Mobile deal and the AOL/Netscape
deal, here are the latest mergers we can expect to see
in the coming months:

Hale Business Systems, Mary Kay Cosmetics, Fuller Brush and W.R. Grace
companies will merge to become - Hale, Mary, Fuller Grace

Polygram Records, Warner Brothers and Keebler Crackers will merge to
become - Polly-Warner-Cracker

3M and Goodyear will merge to become - MMMGood

John Deere and Abitibi-Price will merge to become - Deere Abi

Zippo Manufacturing, Audi Motors, Dofasco, and Dakota Mining will
merge to become - Zip Audi Do Da

Honeywell, Imasco and Home Oil will merge to become - Honey Im Home

Knott's Berry farm and the National Organization of Women will merge
to become - Knott NOW

On 1/6/2014 9:18 AM, philo wrote:
These trucks are run 24/7 so the batteries need to be changed about
every eight hours or so. The chargers use 460v 3phase.

I was in the battery room when the warehouse experienced a momentary
power failure. The chargers are designed to restart randomly over a five
minute period after such a failure. It would not be good if they all
started at once!


Our company also sold a special "quick charge" battery and charger in
situations where it would be impractical to change batteries.

The driver would just put the battery on the charger whenever the truck
was not being used. The chargers and batteries had two sets of cables on
them...each set could be up to 250 amps (for 500 amps total).


The first time I had to work on one of them I got a bit nervous.

The chargers obviously can be turned off...but in the case of changing a
battery connector you have to be careful!



http://www.enersysmp.com/express.asp



Much to my surprise, the batteries did last as long as their warranty
period. I thought for sure they'd "burn out" in a year or two.



Well, with three shifts running the forks, I can see
it's easier to swap em out to charger. The fork lifts
I've run have been used a couple hours a day. not all
day and all night.

--
..
Christopher A. Young
Learn about Jesus
www.lds.org
..

On 01/06/2014 08:22 AM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
:

Hale Business Systems, Mary Kay Cosmetics, Fuller Brush and W.R. Grace
companies will merge to become - Hale, Mary, Fuller Grace

Polygram Records, Warner Brothers and Keebler Crackers will merge to
become - Polly-Warner-Cracker

3M and Goodyear will merge to become - MMMGood

John Deere and Abitibi-Price will merge to become - Deere Abi

Zippo Manufacturing, Audi Motors, Dofasco, and Dakota Mining will
merge to become - Zip Audi Do Da

Honeywell, Imasco and Home Oil will merge to become - Honey Im Home

Knott's Berry farm and the National Organization of Women will merge
to become - Knott NOW





LOL


When I was a kid, Mad Magazine came up with some great logos depicting
very interesting mergers.


My favorite was the Dutch Boy paint/ Sherwin Williams merger


The boy was sitting on top of the earth with paint being spilled over
his head!

On 1/6/2014 9:30 AM, philo wrote:
Knott's Berry farm and the National Organization of Women will merge
to become - Knott NOW

LOL


When I was a kid, Mad Magazine came up with some great logos depicting
very interesting mergers.

My favorite was the Dutch Boy paint/ Sherwin Williams merger

The boy was sitting on top of the earth with paint being spilled over
his head!

I miss the old Mad magazines. They are probably still
in business, busy lampooning all those who need be
less serious about themselves. And back in the day,
they didn't need to be sexual about everything.

--
..
Christopher A. Young
Learn about Jesus
www.lds.org
..

On 01/06/2014 08:27 AM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
X


Much to my surprise, the batteries did last as long as their warranty
period. I thought for sure they'd "burn out" in a year or two.



Well, with three shifts running the forks, I can see
it's easier to swap em out to charger. The fork lifts
I've run have been used a couple hours a day. not all
day and all night.




Yep. In a single shift operation just one battery per truck is needed.
Most of my customers ran at least two shifts and many were 24/7

That is what I especially liked about my job: I typically started at 4
or 5 am and since I did not have to deal with traffic got a lot of work
done and got home in the early afternoon.
Of course if there was an "emergency" I had to go back to work, but that
did not happen more than once a week.


Probably the funniest thing that happened to me was I had a train a new
employee one day. At ten AM I got /exceedingly/ tired and said, "I am
really sorry but I just have to go home and go to sleep." He sure looked
at me funny. I apologized and said that I just did not know what was the
matter...until I realized I had started at midnight!

We both had a good laugh and I don't think I ever got to work that early
again!

On 01/06/2014 08:39 AM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
On 1/6/2014 9:30 AM, philo wrote:
Knott's Berry farm and the National Organization of Women will merge
to become - Knott NOW

LOL


When I was a kid, Mad Magazine came up with some great logos depicting
very interesting mergers.

My favorite was the Dutch Boy paint/ Sherwin Williams merger

The boy was sitting on top of the earth with paint being spilled over
his head!

I miss the old Mad magazines. They are probably still
in business, busy lampooning all those who need be
less serious about themselves. And back in the day,
they didn't need to be sexual about everything.




I guess they are still around but I have not seen one in years.

As a kid, it woke me up and caused me to start questioning things in
both the advertising and political arenas.

On Mon, 06 Jan 2014 06:55:54 -0600, philo* wrote:

On 01/06/2014 04:13 AM, micky wrote:
On Sun, 05 Jan 2014 18:24:46 -0600, philo wrote:

I was just going through some 2005 photos and found one I took at work.
Some of my crewmen setting up a battery room.



https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.n...58483055_o.jpg



I was a service engineer at Enersys-Delaware


BTW: That is only half the room, there was an identical setup on the
other side.

It looks like they're set up to do something, not just wait until
they're needed. What do they do?




Those are batteries for forklift trucks. The battery extractor is the
item you see at the back of the photo. It can extract a battery from a
forklift and go up four levels to retrieve one.

Propane forklifts are rarely used in warehouses any more and are mostly
used for extremely large loads, OTOH: The batteries pictured here are
merely average size. They can be as large as 4000# and require a
completely different system to install and extract.

Good to know. Thanks.

On 1/6/14 8:39 AM, Stormin Mormon wrote:

I miss the old Mad magazines. They are probably still
in business, busy lampooning all those who need be
less serious about themselves. And back in the day,
they didn't need to be sexual about everything.

It's still around:

http://www.madmagazine.com

So is The Onion:

http://www.theonion.com

And there is The People's Cube:

http://thepeoplescube.com

On 01/06/2014 03:43 PM, Dean Hoffman wrote:
On 1/6/14 8:39 AM, Stormin Mormon wrote:

I miss the old Mad magazines. They are probably still
in business, busy lampooning all those who need be
less serious about themselves. And back in the day,
they didn't need to be sexual about everything.

It's still around:

http://www.madmagazine.com

So is The Onion:

http://www.theonion.com

And there is The People's Cube:

http://thepeoplescube.com



I'm from Milwaukee and the Onion started here. They exist "on-line" only
now.

philo* posted for all of us...

And I know how to SNIP


I was just going through some 2005 photos and found one I took at work.
Some of my crewmen setting up a battery room.



https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.n...58483055_o.jpg



I was a service engineer at Enersys-Delaware


BTW: That is only half the room, there was an identical setup on the
other side.

Aww, come on. None of them say Sears Die-easy...

--
Tekkie

philo* posted for all of us...

And I know how to SNIP


I was just going through some 2005 photos and found one I took at work.
Some of my crewmen setting up a battery room.



https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.n...58483055_o.jpg



I was a service engineer at Enersys-Delaware


BTW: That is only half the room, there was an identical setup on the
other side.

Philo, who makes Interstate car batteries? Big
brand around here. Also used to be Deka batteries
near Reading, PA.

--
Tekkie

Anyone know who makes the Walmart batteries, they seem to get fairly consistent above average ratings by Consumer's Reports over many years?

On 01/07/2014 08:36 PM, Tekkie® wrote:
X

Philo, who makes Interstate car batteries? Big
brand around here. Also used to be Deka batteries
near Reading, PA.




I am pretty sure that the Interstate car batteries are made by Johnson
Controls which used to be Globe-Union right here in Milwaukee.

I was not involved with automotive batteries though so don't know that
much about who manufactures the individual brands.


There is also an Interstate industrial battery that is manufactured by
one the the companies now owned by Enersys.


Here are the previously independent companies now owned by Enersys:


Exide battery
General Battery
Hawker battery and charger
Douglas battery
Hertner charger


If Enersys wants something they just buy it.



One of the major lift truck manufacturers (Crown) always sold Enersys
batteries with their trucks unless the customer specified otherwise.
The president of Enerysy found out that Crown was going to try to bypass
us and buy their own battery company. (Douglas)

To avoid this he just bought Douglas Battery.

http://www.prnewswire.com/news-relea...-81556657.html



Enersys owns so many companies that half the competitors our office had
were just other companies selling a different division of Enersys.

On 01/07/2014 09:10 PM, wrote:
Anyone know who makes the Walmart batteries, they seem to get fairly consistent above average ratings by Consumer's Reports over many years?




Probably Johnson Control


Note:

For the most part all battery manufacturers have pretty decent standards
but any specific battery size usually has at least two or three
different "grades".


It is important to check the ampere-hour rating of the battery.

For the most part, they seem to be rated mostly by cold-cranking amps.
That is a number you can use for comparison if AH ratings are not available.


The number and the size of the battery plates is the determining factor.
IOW: You can have two batteries of the same physical size, but the
number of plates inside and their size can vary.

Rule of thumb:You can tell how good a battery is simply by picking it up.
The heavier it is , the better.

On 1/8/2014 8:43 AM, philo wrote:
On 01/07/2014 08:36 PM, Tekkie® wrote:
X

Philo, who makes Interstate car batteries? Big
brand around here. Also used to be Deka batteries
near Reading, PA.


I am pretty sure that the Interstate car batteries are made by Johnson
Controls which used to be Globe-Union right here in Milwaukee.
I was not involved with automotive batteries though so don't know that
much about who manufactures the individual brands.
There is also an Interstate industrial battery that is manufactured by
one the the companies now owned by Enersys.
Here are the previously independent companies now owned by Enersys:

Exide battery
General Battery
Hawker battery and charger
Douglas battery
Hertner charger

If Enersys wants something they just buy it.
One of the major lift truck manufacturers (Crown) always sold Enersys
batteries with their trucks unless the customer specified otherwise.
The president of Enerysy found out that Crown was going to try to bypass
us and buy their own battery company. (Douglas)
To avoid this he just bought Douglas Battery.

http://www.prnewswire.com/news-relea...-81556657.html

Enersys owns so many companies that half the competitors our office had
were just other companies selling a different division of Enersys.


There is a Crown Batter supply house just South of Birmingham where I
would purchase case lots of small AGM batteries for UPS units. Sadly
that location stopped handling the small batteries and now only handles
the big industrial batteries. ^_^

TDD

On 01/08/14 09:53 am, philo wrote:

Anyone know who makes the Walmart batteries, they seem to get fairly
consistent above average ratings by Consumer's Reports over many years?

Probably Johnson Control

That would be my guess too, as the "Energizer"-branded deep-cycle
batteries I bought at Sam's Club were made by Johnson Controls. I had
heard claims that they were and then emailed JC support to ask about the
appropriate float-charging voltage. They confirmed that they were the
manufacturer.

Perce