By Natalie Rodriguez, This Old House online

"TOH helps you identify all those architectural "thingamajigs" and
"whadya-call-its" you find around the house"

http://www.thisoldhouse.com/toh/photos/0,,20425634,00.html

Picture click through 21 of them.

On Mon, 02 Sep 2013 17:18:48 -0700, Oren wrote:

By Natalie Rodriguez, This Old House online

"TOH helps you identify all those architectural "thingamajigs" and
"whadya-call-its" you find around the house"

http://www.thisoldhouse.com/toh/photos/0,,20425634,00.html

Picture click through 21 of them.

Picture No. 13 shows the "Kite Winder," the middle of a set of three
wedge-shaped stair steps, or winders, that together make a 90-degree
turn.

Why are there four wedge shaped steps in the picture, not just three?

On Mon, 02 Sep 2013 19:40:51 -0500, Gordon Shumway
wrote:

On Mon, 02 Sep 2013 17:18:48 -0700, Oren wrote:

By Natalie Rodriguez, This Old House online

"TOH helps you identify all those architectural "thingamajigs" and
"whadya-call-its" you find around the house"

http://www.thisoldhouse.com/toh/photos/0,,20425634,00.html

Picture click through 21 of them.

Picture No. 13 shows the "Kite Winder," the middle of a set of three
wedge-shaped stair steps, or winders, that together make a 90-degree
turn.

Why are there four wedge shaped steps in the picture, not just three?

I'll hazard a guess. The bottom four steps are 22.5-degree cuts?

Picture No. 17 was of interest to me.

On 9/2/13 7:18 PM, Oren wrote:
By Natalie Rodriguez, This Old House online

"TOH helps you identify all those architectural "thingamajigs" and
"whadya-call-its" you find around the house"

http://www.thisoldhouse.com/toh/photos/0,,20425634,00.html

Picture click through 21 of them.

#3, check throat. It never would've occurred to me what the purpose
of that is.

On Mon, 02 Sep 2013 21:08:43 -0500, Dean Hoffman
" wrote:

On 9/2/13 7:18 PM, Oren wrote:
By Natalie Rodriguez, This Old House online

"TOH helps you identify all those architectural "thingamajigs" and
"whadya-call-its" you find around the house"

http://www.thisoldhouse.com/toh/photos/0,,20425634,00.html

Picture click through 21 of them.

#3, check throat. It never would've occurred to me what the purpose
of that is.

Me neither. In a recent show when TOH made custom windows sills with
custom ordered molding blades, they cut the check throat on a table
saw. The light went off and it made perfect sense.

In article ,
Dean Hoffman " wrote:

On 9/2/13 7:18 PM, Oren wrote:
By Natalie Rodriguez, This Old House online

"TOH helps you identify all those architectural "thingamajigs" and
"whadya-call-its" you find around the house"

http://www.thisoldhouse.com/toh/photos/0,,20425634,00.html

Picture click through 21 of them.

#3, check throat. It never would've occurred to me what the purpose
of that is.

so when does a gablet become a gable?

That TOH magazine article was written by someone who doesn't work in the drywall or plastering business, and is getting his words out of a dictionary that no drywall or plastering contractors use.

What TOH calls a "scuncheon", almost everyone else in the world calls a "return".

Whenever a wall is thicker than the door frame or window frame that's installed in it, you need to finish the exposed interior of the wall in an aesthetically acceptable way, and that's the job of the "return". You can have interior or exterior returns depending on how the window or door is installed.

This is the first time I've ever heard of a return being called a "scuncheon". If you google "scuncheon" you do indeed get a definition that matches a window return. But, teaching people that it's called a "scuncheon" when everyone in the business calls it a "return", is not helpful in my view. Having homeowners using different terminology than the contractors they're trying to deal with makes a difficult situation even harder for all concerned.

Window Returns - Drywall - Contractor Talk

New wood window returns and casing

Window returns with Trim-Tex Super L-bead - Drywall Finishing - Drywall Talk

I didn't look at any of the other pictures because I know that freelance writers will offer articles to DIY magazines to publish. The freelance writer gets paid for his article, but it doesn't mean he knows what he's talking about or that everything in the article is correct. If the freelance writer that wrote that article for TOH Online had spent any time in the drywall or plastering business, he'd call it a return just like everyone else does.

PS:

Here is what Trim-Tex Super L Bead looks like:

http://trim-tex.com/product_images/3710.jpg

If your return is an interior return, then you're going to need a corner bead around the window anyway. Trim-Tex makes the Super L Bead specifically for the the situation where you're installing a window designed for 2X4 stud walls into an exterior wall framed with 2X6 lumber. Window manufacturers will typically offer "trim kits" specifically for that situation so that the return around the window nicely matches the window itself. But Trim Tex makes their Super L bead as a generic return/ corner bead that can be used with anyone's windows.

Trim-Tex makes VINYL drywalling supplies. I LOVE their vinyl corner bead, and I wouldn't install anything else in my building. I'd sooner throw away metal corner bead than install it in my building because in my view, metal corner bead is just a pain in the butt waiting to happen.

On 09/03/2013 02:37 AM, nestork wrote:

That TOH magazine article was written by someone who doesn't work in the
drywall or plastering business, and is getting his words out of a
dictionary that no drywall or plastering contractors use.

Is there an official dictionary for contractors?


What TOH calls a "scuncheon", almost everyone else in the world calls a
"return".


Do they call it a "return" in China? India? Japan? Mexico?

On 9/3/2013 2:37 AM, nestork wrote:
This is the first time I've ever heard of a return being called a
"scuncheon".

A tradesman could prolly charge 25% more for installing a scuncheon.

On 9/3/2013 1:37 AM, nestork wrote:
'Oren[_2_ Wrote:
;3116011']
Picture No. 17 was of interest to me.


That TOH magazine article was written by someone who doesn't work in the
drywall or plastering business, and is getting his words out of a
dictionary that no drywall or plastering contractors use.

What TOH calls a "scuncheon", almost everyone else in the world calls a
"return".

Whenever a wall is thicker than the door frame or window frame that's
installed in it, you need to finish the exposed interior of the wall in
an aesthetically acceptable way, and that's the job of the "return".
You can have interior or exterior returns depending on how the window or
door is installed.

This is the first time I've ever heard of a return being called a
"scuncheon". If you google "scuncheon" you do indeed get a definition
that matches a window return. But, teaching people that it's called a
"scuncheon" when everyone in the business calls it a "return", is not
helpful in my view. Having homeowners using different terminology than
the contractors they're trying to deal with makes a difficult situation
even harder for all concerned.

'Window Returns - Drywall - Contractor Talk'
(http://www.contractortalk.com/f49/window-returns-42322/)

'New wood window returns and casing' (http://tinyurl.com/lcnlo8b)

'Window returns with Trim-Tex Super L-bead - Drywall Finishing - Drywall
Talk' (http://tinyurl.com/kcnb7fx)

I didn't look at any of the other pictures because I know that freelance
writers will offer articles to DIY magazines to publish. The freelance
writer gets paid for his article, but it doesn't mean he knows what he's
talking about or that everything in the article is correct. If the
freelance writer that wrote that article for TOH Online had spent any
time in the drywall or plastering business, he'd call it a return just
like everyone else does.


I don't do much with drywall except, cut holes in it, patch it and yell
at the drywall contractor for tearing up my wires. I just call those odd
architectural details, "thingamajigs". ^_^

TDD

On Tue, 3 Sep 2013 08:37:17 +0200, nestork
wrote:


'Oren[_2_ Wrote:
;3116011']
Picture No. 17 was of interest to me.


That TOH magazine article was written by someone who doesn't work in the
drywall or plastering business, and is getting his words out of a
dictionary that no drywall or plastering contractors use.


I'd think the editors would read the submitted article before
publication and correct it the term was wrong.

What TOH calls a "scuncheon", almost everyone else in the world calls a
"return".


"Return" is not found in a drywall glossary I checked. Perhaps it's
jargon.

http://www.buyezrip.com/Drywall-Glossary.htm

A return is used in wood trimming / molding - like ends on a stairway
rail, etc.

A contractor glossary shows:

"Return. - 1. Any surface turned back from the face of a principal
surface. 2. The ending of a small splash wall or a wainscot at right
angle to the major wall. 3. The continuation of a molding or finish of
any kind in a different direction. 4. In HVAC, a term for the
return-air duct of a forced air heating/cooling system. 5. The
continuation in a different direction of the face of a building or any
member. "

Reveal. - The side of an opening, as a window or door jamb.

[R] Page 11

http://www.contractorschoolonline.com/Construction-Glossary.aspx

Whenever a wall is thicker than the door frame or window frame that's
installed in it, you need to finish the exposed interior of the wall in
an aesthetically acceptable way, and that's the job of the "return".
You can have interior or exterior returns depending on how the window or
door is installed.

This is the first time I've ever heard of a return being called a
"scuncheon". If you google "scuncheon" you do indeed get a definition
that matches a window return. But, teaching people that it's called a
"scuncheon" when everyone in the business calls it a "return", is not
helpful in my view. Having homeowners using different terminology than
the contractors they're trying to deal with makes a difficult situation
even harder for all concerned.


I would have called it a "reveal", but I never really worried about
it.

'Window Returns - Drywall - Contractor Talk'
(http://www.contractortalk.com/f49/window-returns-42322/)

'New wood window returns and casing' (http://tinyurl.com/lcnlo8b)

'Window returns with Trim-Tex Super L-bead - Drywall Finishing - Drywall
Talk' (http://tinyurl.com/kcnb7fx)

I didn't look at any of the other pictures because I know that freelance
writers will offer articles to DIY magazines to publish. The freelance
writer gets paid for his article, but it doesn't mean he knows what he's
talking about or that everything in the article is correct. If the
freelance writer that wrote that article for TOH Online had spent any
time in the drywall or plastering business, he'd call it a return just
like everyone else does.

Perhaps "return" is just a trade jargon term, but really an
"scuncheon".

On Tue, 03 Sep 2013 06:08:30 -0500, The Daring Dufas
wrote:

I just call those odd
architectural details, "thingamajigs". ^_^

A window could have a stool and apron g