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All the TV home repair shows recommend connecting
plumbing fixtures and clothes washers through steel braided
supply lines, but I noticed the hose inside those lines is just
unreinforced clear vinyl.

Are there steel braided lines they really less likely to break and flood
my house than regular lines made of just nylon reinforced rubber?
I ended up using soft copper tubing because I wasn't sure, but
copper wouldn't be practical for a dishwasher. So are there steel
braided supply lines that have reinforced hoses in them?
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All the TV home repair shows recommend connecting

plumbing fixtures and clothes washers through steel braided

supply lines, but I noticed the hose inside those lines is just

unreinforced clear vinyl.



Are there steel braided lines they really less likely to break and flood

my house than regular lines made of just nylon reinforced rubber?

I ended up using soft copper tubing because I wasn't sure, but

copper wouldn't be practical for a dishwasher. So are there steel

braided supply lines that have reinforced hoses in them?



I see the same thing, that various sources are recommending them.
Even if the inside is a traditional type hose material, I think the
steel braiding is there to prevent a sudden, catastrophic blowout.

If you prefer copper, why can't you use it for a dishwasher? It's
been used for decades for that. Mine uses it. The connection is
near the front, so you can hook it up after the unit is in place.
Line goes underneath, no problem.
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For connecting a clothes washer, I wouldn't use anything except the braided stainless steel supply hose.

For connecting a bathroom sink faucet, I have used standard Quest plastic "flexitubes" like these:

http://www.nibco.com/resources/products/600/NP45F.jpg

for over 25 years and still use them on all 21 bathroom sinks.

Now, I use braided stainless steel on my three clothes washers and all 21 toilets, but I still use the solid plastic flexitubes on all my bathroom sinks.

What's critical is that you use the braided stainless steel on your washing machines, and the dish washer is debatable. The reason for this is that when fabric reinforced rubber hoses rupture, it's often because the supply hose has been rubbing against something sharp or abrasive behind the washer. That could be the sharp edge on the washer or dryer cabinet, or just the rough surface of a cast brass stand pipe p-trap. The shaking of the washing machine as it agitates or spins is enough for anything sharp or rough that it's rubbing against to gradually compromise the hose's ability to contain the 40 to 60 psi water pressure that's trypical today.

Stainless steel is very much harder than ordinary mild steel, which is what the cabinets of appliances are made of, or cast brass. So, if a braided stainless steel supply hose is rubbing against the sharp edge on a mild steel washer or dryer cabinet, or the rough surface of a cast brass P-trap, it's that sharp edge or rough brass that will get worn down, not the stainless steel.

So, when it comes to plumbing fixtures like sinks and toilets, it doesn't matter what you use because those supply hoses never rub against anything except perhaps themselves if they're formed into a loop.

It only really matters when you're talking washing machines because washing machines like to dance around the laundry room floor when they're spinning with something heavy like a rug or pillows in them. And, every time you put the machine back in place, the supply hoses are going to be moved, and they might be rubbing against something now that they weren't rubbing against before.

Dish washers are debatable. Dish washers that are built into the cabinets are screwed to those cabinets, but don't dance around even if they weren't screwed to the cabinets, and so the hose is going to stay in whatever position it was originally put in.
Still, cuz the hose is outta sight, I'd lean toward using a braided stainless steel supply hose there too.

When it comes to kitchen and bathroom sinks and toilets, the ONLY reason I use the braided stainless steel is because I find them fast and easy to install, and they can be used over and over again (unlike the plastic supply tubes). When it comes to bathrooms sinks, I find that there's just too much going on under a bathroom sink when I use braided stainless steel supply hoses, with both of them twisted into a loop, so I prefer to use the solid plastic supply tubes there. In the case of kitchen sinks and toilets, those hoses are more "outta sight", and so the clutter of two braided stainless steel supply hoses under a kitchen sink or under a toilet tank is not so visible, and so I use the braided stainless steel there as well.

So, on everything but washing machines, the answer to your question is NO or MAYBE. But, I wouldn't use anything except a braided stainless steel supply hose on a washer.

Hope this helps.

PS: Every appliance parts store will sell braided stainless steel supply hoses for clothes washers, dish washers and fridge ice makers in various lengths. Be sure to use a brass or stainless steel strainer washer to strain dirt out of the water going into your appliance.

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All the TV home repair shows recommend connecting
plumbing fixtures and clothes washers through steel braided
supply lines, but I noticed the hose inside those lines is just
unreinforced clear vinyl.

Are there steel braided lines they really less likely to break and flood
my house than regular lines made of just nylon reinforced rubber?
I ended up using soft copper tubing because I wasn't sure, but
copper wouldn't be practical for a dishwasher. So are there steel
braided supply lines that have reinforced hoses in them?



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All the TV home repair shows recommend connecting
plumbing fixtures and clothes washers through steel braided
supply lines, but I noticed the hose inside those lines is just
unreinforced clear vinyl.

Are there steel braided lines they really less likely to break and flood
my house than regular lines made of just nylon reinforced rubber?
I ended up using soft copper tubing because I wasn't sure, but
copper wouldn't be practical for a dishwasher. So are there steel
braided supply lines that have reinforced hoses in them?


The braiding IS the reinforcing.
Avoid like the plague, especially upstairs where a leak could be a greater
catastrophy.
(Usually at night when water pressure is highest)
At some point they let go.

They are for mickey mouse plumbers that can't make the pipework fit.


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“Are there steel braided lines they really less likely to break and flood
my house than regular lines made of just nylon reinforced rubber?”

Steel or metal is always better than nylon, plastic or rubber.

“I ended up using soft copper tubing because I wasn't sure, but
copper wouldn't be practical for a dishwasher.”

Soft copper tubing was all everyone used to use on dishwashers for fifty years. I like to flare the ends and use flare fittings instead of compression myself. If you use soft copper for faucets you need to use a lockridge tool if you know what that is. I stopped using soft copper though because I don’t trust the Chinese quality control. Those water heater copper connectors used to last longer than the water heater until they started making them with thinner copper.
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On Thursday, August 29, 2013 9:00:26 PM UTC-4, wrote:
All the TV home repair shows recommend connecting

plumbing fixtures and clothes washers through steel braided

supply lines, but I noticed the hose inside those lines is just

unreinforced clear vinyl.



Are there steel braided lines they really less likely to break and flood

my house than regular lines made of just nylon reinforced rubber?

I ended up using soft copper tubing because I wasn't sure, but

copper wouldn't be practical for a dishwasher. So are there steel

braided supply lines that have reinforced hoses in them?



I see the same thing, that various sources are recommending them.
Even if the inside is a traditional type hose material, I think the
steel braiding is there to prevent a sudden, catastrophic blowout.


Exactly. The stainless braid keeps the rubber inside from developing
a bulge. It might develop a leak but it won't suddenly rupture, like
an aneurysm.

If you prefer copper, why can't you use it for a dishwasher? It's
been used for decades for that. Mine uses it. The connection is
near the front, so you can hook it up after the unit is in place.
Line goes underneath, no problem.


The last one I installed specified stainless braided hose. There was
no room to get one's fingers underneath to connect anything after it
was installed. Nice dishwasher (Electrolux); more vertical space than
other models. Very quiet, too. We'll replace the one (contractor's
crap) in this house with one, in a year or so.


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All the TV home repair shows recommend connecting

plumbing fixtures and clothes washers through steel braided

supply lines, but I noticed the hose inside those lines is just

unreinforced clear vinyl.



Are there steel braided lines they really less likely to break and flood

my house than regular lines made of just nylon reinforced rubber?

I ended up using soft copper tubing because I wasn't sure, but

copper wouldn't be practical for a dishwasher.


Naive civilian wants to know WHY copper wouldn't be practical for a dishwasher

HB


So are there steel

braided supply lines that have reinforced hoses in them?




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I don't see any good reason why flexible 3/8 inch copper tubing wouldn't work equally well for a dish washer water supply line.

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'Higgs Boson[_2_ Wrote:
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Naive civilian wants to know WHY copper wouldn't be practical for a
dishwasher


I don't see any good reason why flexible 3/8 inch copper tubing wouldn't
work equally well for a dish washer water supply line.


Afaik no one has used the word flexible before, and on google there
seems to be two main choices for that word, corrugated copper tubing
shaped like an accordian, like what is used for gas lines at a stove,
and soft copper tubing that is a smooth tube but can be bent by hand.

I think Higgs meant the second.

Which did you mean?
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On 8/29/2013 9:00 PM, wrote:
All the TV home repair shows recommend connecting
plumbing fixtures and clothes washers through steel braided
supply lines, but I noticed the hose inside those lines is just
unreinforced clear vinyl.

Are there steel braided lines they really less likely to break and flood
my house than regular lines made of just nylon reinforced rubber?
I ended up using soft copper tubing because I wasn't sure, but
copper wouldn't be practical for a dishwasher. So are there steel
braided supply lines that have reinforced hoses in them?


Steel is all that I would think of using....one experience with a flood
was enough. Fortunately, we were home when the washer hose let go, and
two rooms were flooded before we could stop the water. Complicated by
water shooting all over the wall behind the washer, I couldn't reach
back to shut off the water there because it was also hitting the elec.
plug for the dryer....didn't want to stand in water and touch either
machine. Even with the water shut off at the main entry, in our condo
it took a while for the pipes to drain. Since we had just finished
remodeling the kitchen and put a brand new oriental rug in the D.R., the
next quest was for a big vacuum. With my hysteria, hubby was only too
happy to rush out and rent a super vac with a squeegee that slurped the
floor dry. No damage done.
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On Sat, 31 Aug 2013 08:37:10 -0400, Norminn
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On 8/29/2013 9:00 PM, wrote:
All the TV home repair shows recommend connecting
plumbing fixtures and clothes washers through steel braided
supply lines, but I noticed the hose inside those lines is just
unreinforced clear vinyl.

Are there steel braided lines they really less likely to break and flood
my house than regular lines made of just nylon reinforced rubber?
I ended up using soft copper tubing because I wasn't sure, but
copper wouldn't be practical for a dishwasher. So are there steel
braided supply lines that have reinforced hoses in them?


Steel is all that I would think of using....one experience with a flood
was enough. Fortunately, we were home when the washer hose let go, and
two rooms were flooded before we could stop the water. Complicated by
water shooting all over the wall behind the washer, I couldn't reach
back to shut off the water there because it was also hitting the elec.
plug for the dryer....didn't want to stand in water and touch either
machine.


That makes a lot of sense.

Even with the water shut off at the main entry, in our condo
it took a while for the pipes to drain. Since we had just finished
remodeling the kitchen and put a brand new oriental rug in the D.R., the
next quest was for a big vacuum. With my hysteria, hubby was only too
happy to rush out and rent a super vac with a squeegee that slurped the
floor dry. No damage done.


Norminn, for all your hysteria, you have to be the only woman in 10
miles who would say after that that there was no damage done.

A lot of people would think they need a new dining room table and all
kinds of other things.


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On Saturday, August 31, 2013 3:19:06 AM UTC-4, micky wrote:
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'Higgs Boson[_2_ Wrote:


;3114692']


Naive civilian wants to know WHY copper wouldn't be practical for a


dishwasher






I don't see any good reason why flexible 3/8 inch copper tubing wouldn't


work equally well for a dish washer water supply line.




Afaik no one has used the word flexible before, and on google there

seems to be two main choices for that word, corrugated copper tubing

shaped like an accordian, like what is used for gas lines at a stove,

and soft copper tubing that is a smooth tube but can be bent by hand.



I've never seen a corrugated copper tubing used for connecting
a stove. In fact, I've never seen corrugated copper tubing period.
The concept would seem to be pointless, as regular copper tubing
is flexible. And if you corrugated copper tubing to make it more
flexible, it would seem to me it would be halfway to failure before
you started to use it. The corrugated gas pipes I have seen have
been stainless steel tubing. And the copper tubing I've seen used
in the past with any gas equipment has been the regular type.



I think Higgs meant the second.


I think so too. And that is commonly used to connect dishwashers.





Which did you mean?


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On Saturday, August 31, 2013 3:19:06 AM UTC-4, micky wrote:
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'Higgs Boson[_2_ Wrote:


;3114692']


Naive civilian wants to know WHY copper wouldn't be practical for a


dishwasher






I don't see any good reason why flexible 3/8 inch copper tubing wouldn't


work equally well for a dish washer water supply line.




Afaik no one has used the word flexible before, and on google there

seems to be two main choices for that word, corrugated copper tubing

shaped like an accordian, like what is used for gas lines at a stove,

and soft copper tubing that is a smooth tube but can be bent by hand.



I've never seen a corrugated copper tubing used for connecting
a stove. In fact, I've never seen corrugated copper tubing period.
The concept would seem to be pointless, as regular copper tubing
is flexible. And if you corrugated copper tubing to make it more
flexible, it would seem to me it would be halfway to failure before
you started to use it. The corrugated gas pipes I have seen have
been stainless steel tubing. And the copper tubing I've seen used
in the past with any gas equipment has been the regular type.


Free high resolution close up photo of a small section of flexible
copper pipe or tubing. This particular pipe is corrugated or grooved.
Free picture for any use.
http://www.photos-public-domain.com/...pipe-close-up/



I think Higgs meant the second.


I think so too. And that is commonly used to connect dishwashers.


I wanted to know if Nestork meant something different by adding the
word flexible, when others had used "soft".




Which did you mean?


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On 8/31/2013 9:18 AM, micky wrote:
On Sat, 31 Aug 2013 08:37:10 -0400, Norminn
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On 8/29/2013 9:00 PM, wrote:
All the TV home repair shows recommend connecting
plumbing fixtures and clothes washers through steel braided
supply lines, but I noticed the hose inside those lines is just
unreinforced clear vinyl.

Are there steel braided lines they really less likely to break and flood
my house than regular lines made of just nylon reinforced rubber?
I ended up using soft copper tubing because I wasn't sure, but
copper wouldn't be practical for a dishwasher. So are there steel
braided supply lines that have reinforced hoses in them?


Steel is all that I would think of using....one experience with a flood
was enough. Fortunately, we were home when the washer hose let go, and
two rooms were flooded before we could stop the water. Complicated by
water shooting all over the wall behind the washer, I couldn't reach
back to shut off the water there because it was also hitting the elec.
plug for the dryer....didn't want to stand in water and touch either
machine.


That makes a lot of sense.

Even with the water shut off at the main entry, in our condo
it took a while for the pipes to drain. Since we had just finished
remodeling the kitchen and put a brand new oriental rug in the D.R., the
next quest was for a big vacuum. With my hysteria, hubby was only too
happy to rush out and rent a super vac with a squeegee that slurped the
floor dry. No damage done.


Norminn, for all your hysteria, you have to be the only woman in 10
miles who would say after that that there was no damage done.


Well, we had about 1" of water in the kitchen, adjoining the laundry
room, and I didn't want to think of the plywood cabinets with brand new
facing beginning to expand or warp, hence my degree of hysteria ) My
husbands always move fast when I am approaching hysteria....that
particular one divorced me. Fine with me.

A lot of people would think they need a new dining room table and all
kinds of other things.

Done, about a year before the flood. New tile and paint job in D.R. We
were pretty much done with renewing/replacing/refreshing....hubby got
mad when I tore up faded, old wool carpet in guest room without his
permission. I had been pretty much out of the habit of seeking
permission for about ... oh, 40 years.
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'Higgs Boson[_2_ Wrote:
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Naive civilian wants to know WHY copper wouldn't be practical for a
dishwasher


I don't see any good reason why flexible 3/8 inch copper tubing wouldn't
work equally well for a dish washer water supply line.


Some dishwasher give no room underneath to work (maximize interior
space). Connecting the tubing after installation is impossible. The
supply can't be connected before installation because there is too
much chance of kinking the supply line, without knowing it's kinked.
Stainless is the best alternative.

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I wanted to know if Nestork meant something different by adding the
word flexible, when others had used "soft".

Which did you mean?
No, I meant soft copper tubing that comes in rolls, not lengths.

It's just that I never use the stuff, and so the correct terminology never came to mind.


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Some dishwasher give no room underneath to work (maximize interior
space). Connecting the tubing after installation is impossible. The
supply can't be connected before installation because there is too
much chance of kinking the supply line, without knowing it's kinked.
Stainless is the best alternative.
I hooked up both sister's dish washers, and both of them had a kick plate at the front of the machine that could be removed to allow access to the motor and pump under the dish washer. In both cases, the water valve was right at the front of the machine (just behind the kick plate) so that you had good access to the water valve for connecting a water supply line to it. One sister had a Maytag Performa dish washer, which was a builder's brand, and I forget what the other sister had.

Braided stainless steel would certainly be a bit easier because of it's greater flexibility, but there's no reason why soft copper tubing wouldn't work well and last just as long. You just have to make a compression connection, that's all.

Perhaps what would sway my choice the most is that with a braided stainless steel water supply, you can disconnect and reconnect the supply tube to the water valve a gazillion times, but you can't do that more than a few times with a compression connection without concern that the connection is going to leak even when fully tightened. I don't know if the braided stainless steel dish washer supply hoses are different, but other stainless steel supply hoses have a gasket built right into the 3/8 end that seals off any leaks, whereas with a 3/8 inch compression fitting relies entirely on metal-to-metal contacts to prevent water leaks, and I'd trust a gasket to stop a leak better than metal-to-metal contacts.
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Some dishwasher give no room underneath to work (maximize interior
space). Connecting the tubing after installation is impossible. The
supply can't be connected before installation because there is too
much chance of kinking the supply line, without knowing it's kinked.
Stainless is the best alternative.


I hooked up both sister's dish washers,


It must be late. I read the line above as sister's death wishes.

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Some dishwasher give no room underneath to work (maximize interior
space). Connecting the tubing after installation is impossible. The
supply can't be connected before installation because there is too
much chance of kinking the supply line, without knowing it's kinked.
Stainless is the best alternative.


I hooked up both sister's dish washers, and both of them had a kick
plate at the front of the machine that could be removed to allow access
to the motor and pump under the dish washer. In both cases, the water
valve was right at the front of the machine (just behind the kick plate)
so that you had good access to the water valve for connecting a water
supply line to it. One sister had a Maytag Performa dish washer, which
was a builder's brand, and I forget what the other sister had.


Right. Some have oodles of space underneath to work. Some don't. The
higher-end tend not to. They want to squeeze every square inch (and
particularly every vertical fraction of an inch) into interior space
and insulation. Contractor grade units are trivial to install.

Braided stainless steel would certainly be a bit easier because of it's
greater flexibility, but there's no reason why soft copper tubing
wouldn't work well and last just as long. You just have to make a
compression connection, that's all.


It'll last, alright, if it's installed correctly. Unfortunately, you
often can't tell if it gets kinked when the machine is slid back. It's
not usually such a problem with a 'fridge because you can see it as
it's slid back. It still happens, though.

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How safe is the water coming through braided steel lines (what is the risk of chemicals leaking into the water from the inner plastic tubing)?
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How safe is the water coming through braided steel lines (what is the risk of chemicals leaking into the water from the inner plastic tubing)?


I don't see where it would present a problem. No worse than any other
plastic that is used for water supply.

BTW, my last house was built in 1948 and had a lead water main from the
street into the house. No one living there ever had a problem, nor did
anyone from the other few hundred houses built that way.


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On Thu, 10 Oct 2013 15:23:47 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

On 10/10/2013 1:41 PM, dave wrote:
How safe is the water coming through braided steel lines (what is the risk of chemicals leaking into the water from the inner plastic tubing)?


I don't see where it would present a problem. No worse than any other
plastic that is used for water supply.

BTW, my last house was built in 1948 and had a lead water main from the
street into the house. No one living there ever had a problem, nor did
anyone from the other few hundred houses built that way.


Most of that just depends on the pH of the water.
Hard water with a high pH will coat the inside of the pipe and
sequester the lead to some extent. If you have mildly acidic water,
the lead is coming along for the ride.

All that said, most lead is actually traced back to kids eating paint.




I think the stainless steel braided lines have a rubber or plastic
interior anyway. I just installed one a few days ago but did not examine
it closely.


If it is stainless steel all the way through it's fine.

Stainless steel fixtures and work areas in the food industry are usually
a requirement.


BTW: My house was built in 1898 and the incoming water line is lead.

I had my water tested and was told first to use NO water for 12 hours so
it could stand in the pipes ...then a water sample was taken. Next a
second sample was taken after I just let the water run until cold.


The first sample had a tiny trace of lead in it...but the 2nd was lead
free. I was told that the simple act of flushing a toilet was enough to
clear the lines.

As a precaution though I put a filter on the kitchen sink and have a
filtered spigot.


Side note: Most of my adult life I have been living in old apartments
which were certainly fed by lead pipes. ...and finally:
For my job...I worked with industrial batteries which are made of
lead...so I was required to have lead tests every six months.
My lead level was almost immeasurable...certainly well below anything to
think about.
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The first sample had a tiny trace of lead in it...but the 2nd was lead
free. I was told that the simple act of flushing a toilet was enough to
clear the lines.


I get up in the middle of the night just to clear the water lines.
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On 10/10/2013 05:14 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
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The first sample had a tiny trace of lead in it...but the 2nd was lead
free. I was told that the simple act of flushing a toilet was enough to
clear the lines.


I get up in the middle of the night just to clear the water lines.



Yep...due to my age and the inflexibity of my bladder I am usually up at
4am. No lead accumulating in my water lines


Now a BIG QUIZ for anyone interested:



I figured it was about time I replaced that leaky water hose. Even
though the hardware store had one of the correct length...why did
Philo's brain select this one?

Hint: It was not simply because a shorter hose would have a sharper bend
and possibly crack (eventually).




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On Thu, 10 Oct 2013 17:33:21 -0500, philo* wrote:



I figured it was about time I replaced that leaky water hose. Even
though the hardware store had one of the correct length...why did
Philo's brain select this one?

Hint: It was not simply because a shorter hose would have a sharper bend
and possibly crack (eventually).




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Possibilities:
It was the same price so you got more for your money
You liked the nice curve
The curve lessens water hammer
You for got the measurement so figured longer is better
You just had this lifelong desire for a longer hose (understandable)
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On Thu, 10 Oct 2013 16:04:27 -0500, philo* wrote:

On 10/10/2013 03:18 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 10 Oct 2013 15:23:47 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

On 10/10/2013 1:41 PM, dave wrote:
How safe is the water coming through braided steel lines (what is the risk of chemicals leaking into the water from the inner plastic tubing)?


I don't see where it would present a problem. No worse than any other
plastic that is used for water supply.

BTW, my last house was built in 1948 and had a lead water main from the
street into the house. No one living there ever had a problem, nor did
anyone from the other few hundred houses built that way.


Most of that just depends on the pH of the water.
Hard water with a high pH will coat the inside of the pipe and
sequester the lead to some extent. If you have mildly acidic water,
the lead is coming along for the ride.

All that said, most lead is actually traced back to kids eating paint.


Or leaded fuel residues


I think the stainless steel braided lines have a rubber or plastic
interior anyway. I just installed one a few days ago but did not examine
it closely.


If it is stainless steel all the way through it's fine.

Stainless steel fixtures and work areas in the food industry are usually
a requirement.


BTW: My house was built in 1898 and the incoming water line is lead.

I had my water tested and was told first to use NO water for 12 hours so
it could stand in the pipes ...then a water sample was taken. Next a
second sample was taken after I just let the water run until cold.


The first sample had a tiny trace of lead in it...but the 2nd was lead
free. I was told that the simple act of flushing a toilet was enough to
clear the lines.

As a precaution though I put a filter on the kitchen sink and have a
filtered spigot.


Side note: Most of my adult life I have been living in old apartments
which were certainly fed by lead pipes. ...and finally:
For my job...I worked with industrial batteries which are made of
lead...so I was required to have lead tests every six months.
My lead level was almost immeasurable...certainly well below anything to
think about.




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On Friday, 30 August 2013 02:00:26 UTC+1, wrote:
All the TV home repair shows recommend connecting
plumbing fixtures and clothes washers through steel braided
supply lines, but I noticed the hose inside those lines is just
unreinforced clear vinyl.

Are there steel braided lines they really less likely to break and flood
my house than regular lines made of just nylon reinforced rubber?
I ended up using soft copper tubing because I wasn't sure, but
copper wouldn't be practical for a dishwasher. So are there steel
braided supply lines that have reinforced hoses in them?


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On 8/27/17 3:51 PM, trader_4 wrote:
On Sunday, August 27, 2017 at 3:22:20 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Sun, 27 Aug 2017 11:49:01 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

On Friday, 30 August 2013 02:00:26 UTC+1, wrote:
All the TV home repair shows recommend connecting
plumbing fixtures and clothes washers through steel braided
supply lines, but I noticed the hose inside those lines is just
unreinforced clear vinyl.

Are there steel braided lines they really less likely to break and flood
my house than regular lines made of just nylon reinforced rubber?
I ended up using soft copper tubing because I wasn't sure, but
copper wouldn't be practical for a dishwasher. So are there steel
braided supply lines that have reinforced hoses in them?


No



No? I just bought some to install a sink faucet. They also have "flood safe" ones, where if there is an attempt at huge volume, eg a total burst, they shut off. I've heard of some people having problems with them here I think. Also, copper can be used with a dishwasher, that's what I have. Connection is made at bottom front, after its in.


Yeah, I installed flood-safe hoses on my washer several years ago and
soon after, it quit filling properly. I didn't connect the two events
and since the washer was real old, decided to replace rather than yet
another repair.

In casual conversation, the washer sales guy asked why were shopping for
a new one and I mentioned it stopped filling. He asked if I'd recently
installed flood-safe hoses. When I said yes, he asked if I still had the
old hoses around and I said I did. He said to try sticking them back on
and see if the problem went away.

It did- and I went back to the same store to buy new regular hoses from
the guy, thank him, and gave him a bottle of good bourbon.

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