The 51'st state (the Disabled state) now ranks as the 8'th largest state
of the USA.

How's that recovery go'in eh?

================

(CNSNews.com) - The total number of people in the United States now
receiving federal disability benefits hit a record 10,978,040 in May, up
from 10,962,532 million in April, according to newly released data from
the Social Security Administration.

The 10,978,040 disability beneficiaries in the United States now exceed
the population of all but seven states. For example, there are more
Americans collecting disability today than there are people living in
Georgia, Michigan, North Carolina, New Jersey or Virginia.

The record 10,978,040 total disability beneficiaries in May, included a
record 8,877,921 disabled workers (up from 8,865,586 in April), a record
1,939,687 children of disabled workers (up from 1,936,236 in April), and
160,432 spouses of disabled workers.

May was the 196th straight month that the number of American workers
collecting federal disability payments increased. The last time the
number of Americans collecting disability decreased was in January 1997.
That month the number of workers taking disability dropped by 249
people—from 4,385,623 in December 1996 to 4,385,374 in January 1997.

As the overall number of American workers collecting disability has
increased, the ratio of full-time workers to disability-collecting
workers has decreased.

In December 1968, 1,295,428 American workers collected disability and,
according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, 65,630,000 worked
full-time. Thus, there were about 51 full-time workers for each worker
collecting disability. In May 2013, with a record 8,877,921 American
workers collecting disability and 116,053,000 working full-time, there
were only 13 Americans working full-time for each worker on disability.

According to the latest Census Bureau population estimates, if
disability were a state in the union it would rank eighth in population,
coming in after Ohio but ahead of Georgia.

On May 30, 7:01*am, Marco Rubio wrote:
The 51'st state (the Disabled state) now ranks as the 8'th largest state
of the USA.

How's that recovery go'in eh?

================

(CNSNews.com) - The total number of people in the United States now
receiving federal disability benefits hit a record 10,978,040 in May, up
from 10,962,532 million in April, according to newly released data from
the Social Security Administration.

The 10,978,040 disability beneficiaries in the United States now exceed
the population of all but seven states. For example, there are more
Americans collecting disability today than there are people living in
Georgia, Michigan, North Carolina, New Jersey or Virginia.

The record 10,978,040 total disability beneficiaries in May, included a
record 8,877,921 disabled workers (up from 8,865,586 in April), a record
1,939,687 children of disabled workers (up from 1,936,236 in April), and
160,432 spouses of disabled workers.

May was the 196th straight month that the number of American workers
collecting federal disability payments increased. The last time the
number of Americans collecting disability decreased was in January 1997.
That month the number of workers taking disability dropped by 249
people from 4,385,623 in December 1996 to 4,385,374 in January 1997.

As the overall number of American workers collecting disability has
increased, the ratio of full-time workers to disability-collecting
workers has decreased.

In December 1968, 1,295,428 American workers collected disability and,
according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, 65,630,000 worked
full-time. Thus, there were about 51 full-time workers for each worker
collecting disability. In May 2013, with a record 8,877,921 American
workers collecting disability and 116,053,000 working full-time, there
were only 13 Americans working full-time for each worker on disability.

According to the latest Census Bureau population estimates, if
disability were a state in the union it would rank eighth in population,
coming in after Ohio but ahead of Georgia.

One of the worst agencies is the VA. 9 out of 10 retired military are
drawing disability of some type even though most never had injuries
related to military service. They are more related to old age,
smoking, drinking, drugs, sports, traffic injuries, or lack of
insurance, all of which the VA should not pay for.

"Red" wrote in message
...
One of the worst agencies is the VA. 9 out of 10 retired military are
drawing disability of some type even though most never had injuries
related to military service. They are more related to old age,
smoking, drinking, drugs, sports, traffic injuries, or lack of
insurance, all of which the VA should not pay for.

I know a man that started receiving VA disability about 2 years ago for
mental problems. He was in the army during the Viet Nam action. He never
left the states. Found out how easy it is to collect mental disabiltiy, so
he applied for it. The VA said that it was the stress factor that he might
have had to go over seas that was causing his problems.

I worked with this man most every day. He seemed as normal as anyone else
that was around 60 years old. He even bragged about how easy it was for
him to get the benifits.

While I never was drafted or was in the military , I am thinking about
applying due to the fact that I may have been drafted...

On May 30, 9:34*am, "Ralph Mowery" wrote:
"Red" wrote in message

...

One of the worst agencies is the VA. *9 out of 10 retired military are
drawing disability of some type even though most never had injuries
related to military service. *They are more related to old age,
smoking, drinking, drugs, sports, traffic injuries, or lack of
insurance, all of which the VA should not pay for.

I know a man that started receiving VA disability about 2 years ago for
mental problems. *He was in the army during the Viet Nam action. *He never
left the states. *Found out how easy it is to collect mental disabiltiy, so
he applied for it. *The VA said that it was the stress factor that he might
have had to go over seas that was causing his problems.

I worked with this man most every day. *He seemed as normal as anyone else
that was around 60 years old. * He even bragged about how easy it was for
him to get the benifits.

While I never was drafted or was in the military , I am thinking about
applying due to the fact that I may have been drafted...

And I know one very well who joined the navy, was in for 3 months, and
asked to get out because he didn't like it. They let him. Now 20
years later VA is providing his housing, half his utilities, food, and
is looking for a job for him. Like he really earned that aid!

On Thursday, May 30, 2013 12:04:25 PM UTC-5, wrote:


What would you libs do? Send a cake to Bin Laden and

the taliban



He wouldn't eat much would he?

Here in Canada, in order to qualify for a government disability pension, you have to have a disability that seriously impairs your physical or mental health.

My building is a "two and a half story walk-up", meaning it's got three levels but the basement is sunk half way into the ground, making it a "2 1/2 story" building, and there's no elevator, so it's a "walk up".

I regularily get people applying for rent on the top floor that give their source of income as "disability".

Now, if a person can fill in an application for rent form, correctly identifying their previous two addresses and the respective landlords at those two locations, then they can think well enough not to be considered mentally disabled, and if they can climb 4 flights of 7 steps each to get to the top floor of my building, they're not seriously physically disabled either. Or, at least one would expect a physically disabled person wouldn't be interested in renting an apartment on the top floor of a building with no elevator.

I'm wondering whether I should contact their case workers to inform them that this recipient is applying to rent an apartment where they'd have to climb 28 steps every time they go to their apartment and see if that perks the case worker's attention. (?) I'm thinking that if a person was seriously disabled, they wouldn't be interested in an apartment like that.

On May 30, 9:43*pm, nestork wrote:
Here in Canada, in order to qualify for a government disability pension,
you have to have a disability that seriously impairs your physical or
mental health.

Same here in the USA. IT's just that today almost anything can
qualify,
if you know how to work the system. I saw some guy in his 20s on The
People Court TV show last year. During his case, it came up that he
was on SSI. His disability? Attention Deficit Disorder..... Like
there
is no job that he could do? He was obviously capable of presenting
his case in court, so how disabled could he be?





My building is a "two and a half story walk-up", meaning it's got three
levels but the basement is sunk half way into the ground, making it a "2
1/2 story" building, and there's no elevator, so it's a "walk up".

I regularily get people applying for rent on the top floor that give
their source of income as "disability".

Now, if a person can fill in an application for rent form, correctly
identifying their previous two addresses and the respective landlords at
those two locations, then they can think well enough not to be
considered mentally disabled, and if they can climb 4 flights of 7 steps
each to get to the top floor of my building, they're not seriously
physically disabled either. *Or, at least one would expect a physically
disabled person wouldn't be interested in renting an apartment on the
top floor of a building with no elevator.

Yep.




I'm wondering whether I should contact their case workers to inform them
that this recipient is applying to rent an apartment where they'd have
to climb 28 steps every time they go to their apartment and see if that
perks the case worker's attention. (?) *I'm thinking that if a person
was seriously disabled, they wouldn't be interested in an apartment like
that.

--
nestork

With the govt bureaucracy, it's unlikely to do any good. There are
plenty of stories of people reporting far worse and nothing happens.
A classic was elderly people on 60 Minutes, telling how they have
been receiving copies of fraudulent bills that had been submitted to
Medicare for wheelchairs, beds, treatments..... none of which they
had ever received. Despite their reporting it all to Medicare, the
bills just keep coming. Florida is the hotbed of that now.
Criminals
that used to deal drugs figured out this is just as productive, if not
more so and if they catch you the sentence is a fraction of what
you would get for drug crimes.

In article ,
Malcom \"Mal\" Reynolds wrote:
[...]
seems to me that if a corp pays little or no taxes (as in the case of
Apple) they are living off the public

But Apple (et al) don't MAKE the tax laws, they just FOLLOW them. If you have
a beef, it is with CONGRESS that DOES make the laws :-(

--
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
| Brian Gordon -- brian dot gordon at cox dot net |
+ Bass: Lexington "Main Street Harmonizers" chorus +
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

In article ,
(Brian Gordon) wrote:

In article ,
Malcom \"Mal\" Reynolds wrote:
[...]
seems to me that if a corp pays little or no taxes (as in the case of
Apple) they are living off the public

But Apple (et al) don't MAKE the tax laws, they just FOLLOW them. If you have
a beef, it is with CONGRESS that DOES make the laws :-(

But those people who get benefits don't make the laws, they follow them.
If you have a beef, it is with CONGRESS, not the people who follow the
law

On Jun 2, 3:12*pm, "Malcom \"Mal\" Reynolds" atlas-
wrote:
In article ,
(Brian Gordon) wrote:

In article ,
Malcom \"Mal\" Reynolds wrote:
* * * [...]
seems to me that if a corp pays little or no taxes (as in the case of
Apple) they are living off the public

But Apple (et al) don't MAKE the tax laws, they just FOLLOW them. *If you have
a beef, it is with CONGRESS that DOES make the laws :-(

But those people who get benefits don't make the laws, they follow them.
If you have a beef, it is with CONGRESS, not the people who follow the
law

Not quite. When people who can work are on welfare for generation
after generation, having 7 kids out of wedlock, instead of getting a
job
and using a condom, then I have a problem with them and the govt
program that allows it.

In article
,
" wrote:

On Jun 2, 3:12*pm, "Malcom \"Mal\" Reynolds" atlas-
wrote:
In article ,
(Brian Gordon) wrote:

In article
, Malcom
\"Mal\" Reynolds wrote:
* * * [...]
seems to me that if a corp pays little or no taxes (as in the
case of Apple) they are living off the public

But Apple (et al) don't MAKE the tax laws, they just FOLLOW them.
*If you have a beef, it is with CONGRESS that DOES make the laws
:-(

But those people who get benefits don't make the laws, they follow
them. If you have a beef, it is with CONGRESS, not the people who
follow the law

Not quite. When people who can work are on welfare for generation
after generation, having 7 kids out of wedlock, instead of getting a
job and using a condom, then I have a problem with them and the govt
program that allows it.

If only you lipstick conservatives felt that way about the financial
institutions that continue to game the system

On 06/02/2013 02:12 PM, wrote:

On Jun 2, 3:12 pm, "Malcom \"Mal\" Reynolds" atlas-
wrote:
In article ,
(Brian Gordon) wrote:

In article
, Malcom
\"Mal\" Reynolds wrote:
[...] seems to me that if a corp pays little or no taxes (as in
the case of Apple) they are living off the public

But Apple (et al) don't MAKE the tax laws, they just FOLLOW them.
If you have a beef, it is with CONGRESS that DOES make the laws
:-(

But those people who get benefits don't make the laws, they follow
them. If you have a beef, it is with CONGRESS, not the people who
follow the law

Not quite. When people who can work are on welfare for generation
after generation, having 7 kids out of wedlock, instead of getting a
job and using a condom, then I have a problem with them and the govt
program that allows it.

Survivors take advantage of whatever contributes to their survival. I
blame the government, not the companies or people who take advantage of
the laws. While I have contempt for welfare recipients, I blame congress
for enabling -- even encouraging -- them to be subnormal humans.

--
Cheers, Bev
"A friend is someone who puts the needs of others above their own.
Find one of those people and take advantage of him." --Rat

On 5/30/2013 8:43 PM, nestork wrote:
Here in Canada, in order to qualify for a government disability pension,
you have to have a disability that seriously impairs your physical or
mental health.

My building is a "two and a half story walk-up", meaning it's got three
levels but the basement is sunk half way into the ground, making it a "2
1/2 story" building, and there's no elevator, so it's a "walk up".

I regularily get people applying for rent on the top floor that give
their source of income as "disability".

Now, if a person can fill in an application for rent form, correctly
identifying their previous two addresses and the respective landlords at
those two locations, then they can think well enough not to be
considered mentally disabled, and if they can climb 4 flights of 7 steps
each to get to the top floor of my building, they're not seriously
physically disabled either. Or, at least one would expect a physically
disabled person wouldn't be interested in renting an apartment on the
top floor of a building with no elevator.

I'm wondering whether I should contact their case workers to inform them
that this recipient is applying to rent an apartment where they'd have
to climb 28 steps every time they go to their apartment and see if that
perks the case worker's attention. (?) I'm thinking that if a person
was seriously disabled, they wouldn't be interested in an apartment like
that.


One of the problems I have that is part of what defines my disability is
both shoulders are torn up and I'm told they need replacing. Of course I
wouldn't go for a top floor apartment since both of my knees
are wrecked too. But if someone is visually impaired and has otherwise
good knees and legs, they can still be disabled but quite able to climb
stairs. I climb stairs when I can because I need the exercise but I
can't always do it. Besides when my external defibrillator goes off, I
have to sit or lay down, that could be difficult on a long flight of
stairs. ^_^

TDD

On 5/30/2013 12:02 PM, gpsman wrote:
On May 30, 9:04 am, "
wrote:

Well, that's exactly what you'd expect isn't it? The more
govt programs that hand out money, the more people will
come.

False premise, more people whose claims are legitimate but which have
been denied for years may be entering the system.

The not-far-from-accurate joke around the disabled community is that
your first application is always rejected.


It's not a joke, been there done that. I didn't want Social Security
Disability. All I wanted was some help with medical care but after I
was turned away from the county hospital, I became sicker and sicker
until I could only work a few days a week. I was turned down too and
a lawyer went to bat for me getting me on disability and Medicaid. I
supposed it came just in time, I had a massive heart attack the 10th
of May and spent 19 days in the hospital. The paramedics saved my life
and there is no way I could ever thank them enough for what they did
for me. It turns out I had several problems that could have been
mitigated if I had received care when I tried to get it but I have the
wrong skin color and I'm not a Mexican. I'm just glad to be alive. o_O

TDD

clipped

It's not a joke, been there done that. I didn't want Social Security
Disability. All I wanted was some help with medical care but after I
was turned away from the county hospital, I became sicker and sicker
until I could only work a few days a week. I was turned down too and
a lawyer went to bat for me getting me on disability and Medicaid. I
supposed it came just in time, I had a massive heart attack the 10th
of May and spent 19 days in the hospital. The paramedics saved my life
and there is no way I could ever thank them enough for what they did
for me. It turns out I had several problems that could have been
mitigated if I had received care when I tried to get it but I have the
wrong skin color and I'm not a Mexican. I'm just glad to be alive. o_O

TDD



Dufas, what you describe of your experience is what has been going on
for decades.........folks who get no medical care until their condition
is severe and very, very expensive. What folks don't realize is that
they are being "robbed" in many ways by NOT having a single payer
system. So we wouldn't get a hip replacement or bypass surgery for six
months as opposed to next week? Big damn deal...lose some weight,
research alternative treatments and you might find you don't really need
it, or may not benefit from it, or might even die from it. Those with
true emergencies probably get it done right away. Canada has a great
malpractice system.

Last time I went in for a physical, the doc offered to sell me a
colonoscopy (I have no risk factors or family history of colon cancer).
He didn't even do the "complete physical" he charged Medicare for, nor
did he take my history to find out what risk factors I actually have.
There is a drug store on every street corner and ads by pharm companies
running constantly.....without side effects of over-prescribed drugs or
unnecessary surgery, a lot of docs would have to find a second job.

Socialism has no place in the USA. We're a constitutional
republic.
..
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
..
..
"Norminn" wrote in message m...

What folks don't realize is that
they are being "robbed" in many ways by NOT having a single payer
system.

On Jun 4, 11:23*am, Norminn wrote:
clipped







It's not a joke, been there done that. I didn't want Social Security
Disability. All I wanted was some help with medical care but after I
was turned away from the county hospital, I became sicker and sicker
until I could only work a few days a week. I was turned down too and
a lawyer went to bat for me getting me on disability and Medicaid. I
supposed it came just in time, I had a massive heart attack the 10th
of May and spent 19 days in the hospital. The paramedics saved my life
and there is no way I could ever thank them enough for what they did
for me. It turns out I had several problems that could have been
mitigated if I had received care when I tried to get it but I have the
wrong skin color and I'm not a Mexican. I'm just glad to be alive. o_O

TDD

Dufas, what you describe of your experience is what has been going on
for decades.........folks who get no medical care until their condition
is severe and very, very expensive. *What folks don't realize is that
they are being "robbed" in many ways by NOT having a single payer
system.

Single payer has nothing to do with the above.


*So we wouldn't get a hip replacement or bypass surgery for six
months as opposed to next week? *Big damn deal...lose some weight,
research alternative treatments

I see, so according to you with a single payer system people
will be having to wait for 6 months to get treatment. And I don't
know of any credible medical authority that believes weight loss
is an alternatve to bypass surgery. Good grief!




and you might find you don't really need
it, or may not benefit from it, or might even die from it.

More likely you're going to die on the 6 month waiting list.




Those with
true emergencies probably get it done right away.

How comforting. If you have a true emergency, which
obviously doesn't include bypasses, you "probably" get
treated right away. What happens to the other 20, 40%?




Canada has a great
malpractice system.

Last time I went in for a physical, the doc offered to sell me a
colonoscopy (I have no risk factors or family history of colon cancer).

So, what's supposed to be wrong with that?


* He didn't even do the "complete physical" he charged Medicare for, nor
did he take my history to find out what risk factors I actually have.

If you're doctor doesn't know your history, your risk factors, then
it's time to find another doctor.



There is a drug store on every street corner and ads by pharm companies
running constantly.....without side effects of over-prescribed drugs or
unnecessary surgery, a lot of docs would have to find a second job.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Most of those doctors are part of Medicare, your own, which you
obviously don't like, included. Medicare is a single payer system.
So, what exactly is your point again?

The Daring Dufas wrote in news:kokqqp
:

One of the problems I have that is part of what defines my disability is
both shoulders are torn up and I'm told they need replacing. Of course I
wouldn't go for a top floor apartment since both of my knees
are wrecked too.

No wonder why you have so much time to spend here. You don't have to work.
Just collect welfare.

"Stormin Mormon" wrote:

Socialism has no place in the USA. We're a constitutional
republic.

Which doesn't prohibit socialism. Look around you, we have many instances of
socialism in the USA. They're easier to find at the local level, but exist at
all levels of government and I'm not talking about just the Post Office.

-- Doug

On Jun 4, 1:41*pm, Douglas Johnson wrote:
"Stormin Mormon" wrote:
Socialism has no place in the USA. We're a constitutional
republic.

Which doesn't prohibit socialism. *Look around you, we have many instances of
socialism in the USA. *They're easier to find at the local level, but exist at
all levels of government and I'm not talking about just the Post Office.

-- Doug

Of course. Good to see you recognize it. Now will you join
in reducing it to the extent possible?

On 6/4/2013 1:41 PM, Douglas Johnson wrote:
"Stormin Mormon" wrote:

Socialism has no place in the USA. We're a constitutional
republic.

Which doesn't prohibit socialism. Look around you, we have many instances of
socialism in the USA. They're easier to find at the local level, but exist at
all levels of government and I'm not talking about just the Post Office.

-- Doug


Conservatism and socialism are the same thing...."the other guy gets
money". )

On 6/4/2013 12:56 PM, wrote:
On Jun 4, 1:41 pm, Douglas Johnson wrote:
"Stormin Mormon" wrote:
Socialism has no place in the USA. We're a constitutional
republic.

Which doesn't prohibit socialism. Look around you, we have many instances of
socialism in the USA. They're easier to find at the local level, but exist at
all levels of government and I'm not talking about just the Post Office.

-- Doug

Of course. Good to see you recognize it. Now will you join
in reducing it to the extent possible?


Christ, there's nothing more retarded than conservatives parroting
words they don't understand. These guys never took a poli-sci class in
their lives. They don't even know what's in their country's
constitution, not that it stops them from pretending to be political
pundits.

We had a Tea Party idiot serve one term as mayor in the city I live
in. After running up huge city debt and getting caught lying about it,
and getting the city embroiled in many lawsuits, she failed to get
re-elected. Her subsequent career has involved getting fellow Tea
Partiers to retain her as their lawyer and sue the city. For instance,
when the city for the first time ever charged street assessments to
rebuild the city streets, she got her Tea Party fools to file a
lawsuit. When the local paper asked them who should pay for new
streets if not the property owners, they said "the government" should
pay for them. That's the typical TeaTard IQ. Best part was, they won
their suit! - because the court found that the city hadn't followed
the law by using the statutory calculation to determine each property
owner's assessment. So the city re-calculated and discovered they'd
*under-assessed* the TeaTards, who ended up owing more all because
they'd sued to get out of paying their fair share.

This country came to be *because* the settlers understood the value
and necessity of helping one another. We'd never have made it
otherwise. Hell, Christianity preaches it. Nobody got to where they
are today without the help and/or financial support of other people,
and that includes all of the conservative politicians who, having
gotten their financial support to get their education, get jobs, raise
families, and end up in politics, now claim to despise that practice
and supposedly want to end it. I use the words 'claim' and
'supposedly' because the only difference between a liberal and
conservative is that liberals believe everyone is entitled to
assistance, conservatives think only _they_ are entitled to it. Case
in point: Michele Bachman, whose entire working career has consisted
of collecting gov't paychecks. And whose family collects gov't
subsidies, and whose husband's business depends on gov't payments.

On 6/4/2013 12:19 PM, JoeBro wrote:
The Daring Dufas wrote in news:kokqqp
:

One of the problems I have that is part of what defines my disability is
both shoulders are torn up and I'm told they need replacing. Of course I
wouldn't go for a top floor apartment since both of my knees
are wrecked too.

No wonder why you have so much time to spend here. You don't have to work.
Just collect welfare.


Not so, I was working right up to the time I died May 10th. 19 days in
the hospital and I'm getting stronger every day since the cardiologist
shocked my heart back into the correct rhythm. I'm planning on helping
with some network installations here in the next few days. I have lots
of work to do, in fact I had people calling me for service while I was
in the hospital. Perhaps, you should know of what you write before you
press the keys on your keyboard? ^_^

TDD