I see that some people debate over whether fence posts should be
cemented into the ground or not. Some people say yes, you need cement to
keep the fence sturdy, other people say putting the posts 2 feet down in
soil or even crushed rock is perfectly fine.


Would it be okay to install 50 feet ( length ) of 4 to 5 foot high
chainlink fence, and NOT have the posts cemented in??


We have a small backyard, only about 50 feet wide between houses. We
have a small wooded area behind our house, and no backyard fence. Last
year we tried to have a vegetable garden, but either deer, or raccoons
or something ate all our vegetable plants!!! They loved eating the
tomato and pumpkin plants. They ate everything right down to the
stalk!!!!!


The local fence company wants $1,000 bucks to install a 6 foot high
Cedar stockade fence along the 50 feet of property line. They want $700
for 50 feet of spruce. "Pressure treated posts", and the fence will be
"nailed on". We don't have the extra money right now, so thinking of
just putting up a chainlink fence with the metal chainlink fence posts.
We would like to get either a wooden or PVC 6 foot high stockade fence
in the future, so would like the chainlink to just be temporary, so that
we can TRY to have a vegetable garden this year, and so we don't want to
have to dig up heavy cemented posts in the future, when it's time to
take the chainlink fence down.


So would it really be that bad to install 50 feet of chainlink fence and
NOT cement the posts in the ground, and maybe just pack them down with
dirt, 2 feet deep??


Thanks.

On Apr 22, 5:19*pm, (MICHELLE H.) wrote:
I see that some people debate over whether fence posts should be
cemented into the ground or not. Some people say yes, you need cement to
keep the fence sturdy, other people say putting the posts 2 feet down in
soil or even crushed rock is perfectly fine.

Would it be okay to install 50 feet ( length ) of 4 to 5 foot high
chainlink fence, and NOT have the posts cemented in??

We have a small backyard, only about 50 feet wide between houses. We
have a small wooded area behind our house, and no backyard fence. Last
year we tried to have a vegetable garden, but either deer, or raccoons
or something ate all our vegetable plants!!! They loved eating the
tomato and pumpkin plants. They ate everything right down to the
stalk!!!!!

The local fence company wants $1,000 bucks to *install a 6 foot high
Cedar stockade fence along the 50 feet of property line. They want $700
for 50 feet of spruce. "Pressure treated posts", and the fence will be
"nailed on". *We don't have the extra money right now, so thinking of
just putting up a chainlink fence with the metal chainlink fence posts.
We would like to get either a wooden or PVC 6 foot high stockade fence
in the future, so would like the chainlink to just be temporary, so that
we can TRY to have a vegetable garden this year, and so we don't want to
have to dig up heavy cemented posts in the future, when it's time to
take the chainlink fence down.

So would it really be that bad to install 50 feet of chainlink fence and
NOT cement the posts in the ground, and maybe just pack them down with
dirt, 2 feet deep??

Thanks.

This is the best way to install fence posts, with a metal spike driven
into the ground. Prevents rot for much longer than concrete and can
be taken out (but not that easily).
Also shorter posts can be used and quicker to install.

http://www.buyfencingdirect.co.uk/fe...t-support-75cm

MICHELLE H. wrote:
I see that some people debate over whether fence posts should be
cemented into the ground or not. Some people say yes, you need cement
to keep the fence sturdy, other people say putting the posts 2 feet
down in soil or even crushed rock is perfectly fine.


Would it be okay to install 50 feet ( length ) of 4 to 5 foot high
chainlink fence, and NOT have the posts cemented in??


We have a small backyard, only about 50 feet wide between houses. We
have a small wooded area behind our house, and no backyard fence. Last
year we tried to have a vegetable garden, but either deer, or raccoons
or something ate all our vegetable plants!!! They loved eating the
tomato and pumpkin plants. They ate everything right down to the
stalk!!!!!

It will take a lot more than a 5 foot fence to keep deer or racoons out. My
father watched deer jump a fence much higher than than (8 feet?). ANd racoons
can climb just fine.

On Mon, 22 Apr 2013 12:19:00 -0400, (MICHELLE H.)
wrote:

So would it really be that bad to install 50 feet of chainlink fence and
NOT cement the posts in the ground, and maybe just pack them down with
dirt, 2 feet deep??

What type of soil do you have where the fence will go? The chain link
fence poles can be hammered in with a fence pole hammer (exercise) if
soft soil.

http://i01.i.aliimg.com/img/pb/062/581/311/311581062_424.jpg

That would be the cheap way. Careful to keep the pipe plumb, fence
line straight. May be able to rent one.

Gravel is used for drainage as water will seep further in the ground.
Cement is used for a more stable construction (prisons). Mounded above
the soil and water drains away from the pipe.

....or put a fence around the garden

On Mon, 22 Apr 2013 12:19:00 -0400, (MICHELLE H.)
wrote:

I see that some people debate over whether fence posts should be
cemented into the ground or not. Some people say yes, you need cement to
keep the fence sturdy, other people say putting the posts 2 feet down in
soil or even crushed rock is perfectly fine.

It depends on the soil and the type of fence post. If you have sandy
soil, you'll probably need concrete around any fence post. In *any*
soil, you're going to need it around chain link posts. They're too
thin to hold without a slug of concrete. 4x4s in clay soil are
perfectly fine.

Would it be okay to install 50 feet ( length ) of 4 to 5 foot high
chainlink fence, and NOT have the posts cemented in??

Not IMO.

We have a small backyard, only about 50 feet wide between houses. We
have a small wooded area behind our house, and no backyard fence. Last
year we tried to have a vegetable garden, but either deer, or raccoons
or something ate all our vegetable plants!!! They loved eating the
tomato and pumpkin plants. They ate everything right down to the
stalk!!!!!


The local fence company wants $1,000 bucks to install a 6 foot high
Cedar stockade fence along the 50 feet of property line. They want $700
for 50 feet of spruce. "Pressure treated posts", and the fence will be
"nailed on". We don't have the extra money right now, so thinking of
just putting up a chainlink fence with the metal chainlink fence posts.
We would like to get either a wooden or PVC 6 foot high stockade fence
in the future, so would like the chainlink to just be temporary, so that
we can TRY to have a vegetable garden this year, and so we don't want to
have to dig up heavy cemented posts in the future, when it's time to
take the chainlink fence down.

A temporary chain link fence makes for some pretty expensive veggies.

So would it really be that bad to install 50 feet of chainlink fence and
NOT cement the posts in the ground, and maybe just pack them down with
dirt, 2 feet deep??

I certainly wouldn't.

On Mon, 22 Apr 2013 09:57:35 -0700, "Bob F"
wrote:

It will take a lot more than a 5 foot fence to keep deer or racoons out. My
father watched deer jump a fence much higher than than (8 feet?). ANd racoons
can climb just fine.

I watched a 10-12 point deer jump a chain link fence 8-10' high.
Caught his legs, trips and rolled on the ground. Got up and made
tracks.

Smaller critters will likely go under a chain link fence; unless
secured with rebar.

On 4/22/2013 12:19 PM, MICHELLE H. wrote:
I see that some people debate over whether fence posts should be
cemented into the ground or not. Some people say yes, you need cement
to keep the fence sturdy, other people say putting the posts 2 feet
down in soil or even crushed rock is perfectly fine.


Would it be okay to install 50 feet ( length ) of 4 to 5 foot high
chainlink fence, and NOT have the posts cemented in??


We have a small backyard, only about 50 feet wide between houses. We
have a small wooded area behind our house, and no backyard fence.
Last year we tried to have a vegetable garden, but either deer, or
raccoons or something ate all our vegetable plants!!! They loved
eating the tomato and pumpkin plants. They ate everything right down
to the stalk!!!!!


The local fence company wants $1,000 bucks to install a 6 foot high
Cedar stockade fence along the 50 feet of property line. They want
$700 for 50 feet of spruce. "Pressure treated posts", and the fence
will be "nailed on". We don't have the extra money right now, so
thinking of just putting up a chainlink fence with the metal
chainlink fence posts. We would like to get either a wooden or PVC 6
foot high stockade fence in the future, so would like the chainlink
to just be temporary, so that we can TRY to have a vegetable garden
this year, and so we don't want to have to dig up heavy cemented
posts in the future, when it's time to take the chainlink fence
down.


So would it really be that bad to install 50 feet of chainlink fence
and NOT cement the posts in the ground, and maybe just pack them down
with dirt, 2 feet deep??


Thanks.


You'll be wasting your money if your intent is to keep out veggie
chomping critters. Our area is infested with deer, racoons, rabbits,
etc. Our 6' chain link fence keeps out none of the above. The small
animals burrow under the fence and the deer jump it as if it were not
there. Our neighbors have been successful by surrounding the perimeter
of their veggie plot with vertical metal strips that are sunk down about
12" and protrude above ground level about 8". Inside the plot they've
put up some tent poles and attached strong, nylon netting and fastened
the margins of the netting securely to the metal strips. The holes in
the netting are large enough to allow bees in to pollinate the veggie
flowers but are small enough to keep out birds and 4 legged critters.
They built the tent with a flap that ties securely with nylon twine.
Seems to do the job.

Yeah, my neighbor has a garden, and he has a 6 foot high wooden stockade
fence on his back property line. Last year he saw 4 deer sticking their
necks OVER his 6 foot high fence, because they were eating all his Green
Beans from his bean stalks!!!! They can stretch their necks out very far
as well!!! And, yes I know they can jump over fences at least 8 feet
high!!! I had some really nice tomato plants, lettuce, and pumpkins
growing last year. In 1 night the damn deer ater it all and killed the
plants!!!!!!


Anyway, the soil is somewhat of a sandy/loam mix. Some nice loam on the
top as topsoil, probably a few inches, with sandy soil underneath. My
neighbor told me to just put up one of those cheap 4 foot high Green
plastic fences, or some chicken wire fencing, but I was thinking that
chainlink would be a little more sturdy!?


Only want it temporary, as I will most likely get a 6 foot high wooden
or PVC fence later on when I get the extra money. Yes, I heard that you
can pound the posts in, but you have to be careful not to ruin the top,
or you won't be able to get the "post caps" on!?

"Bob F" writes:

R MICHELLE H. wrote:
I see that some people debate over whether fence posts should be
cemented into the ground or not. Some people say yes, you need cement
to keep the fence sturdy, other people say putting the posts 2 feet
down in soil or even crushed rock is perfectly fine.


Would it be okay to install 50 feet ( length ) of 4 to 5 foot high
chainlink fence, and NOT have the posts cemented in??


We have a small backyard, only about 50 feet wide between houses. We
have a small wooded area behind our house, and no backyard fence. Last
year we tried to have a vegetable garden, but either deer, or raccoons
or something ate all our vegetable plants!!! They loved eating the
tomato and pumpkin plants. They ate everything right down to the
stalk!!!!!

It will take a lot more than a 5 foot fence to keep deer or racoons out. My
father watched deer jump a fence much higher than than (8 feet?). ANd racoons
can climb just fine.

I believe deer can go even higher.
But my experience says they won't.

http://mysite.verizon.net/despen/fence/

I've had that 6 foot fence up since 2009 and so far, not one deer has
come in the yard.

However, deer can see right through chain link.
I think it's important for the view to be blocked.
Deer aren't likely to jump something when they can't see where they are
going to land.

I don't think 5 feet of chain link will work and I don't think
you'd be able to stretch the link onto the fence if you don't use
cement. You could try cementing only the end posts but if I was
doing chain link, I'd use cement on all the posts.

This last year, about 7 sections of my fence were destroyed by Sandy.
After the trees were removed, we had deer tracks in the yard the next
day. I just finished repairs so the deer will have to eat somewhere
else.

Oh, yeah, raccoons. Nothing short of land mines or electricity will
keep them out. I don't grow vegetables.

--
Dan Espen

On Apr 22, 1:52*pm, Dan Espen wrote:
"Bob F" writes:
R MICHELLE H. wrote:
I see that some people debate over whether fence posts should be
cemented into the ground or not. Some people say yes, you need cement
to keep the fence sturdy, other people say putting the posts 2 feet
down in soil or even crushed rock is perfectly fine.

Would it be okay to install 50 feet ( length ) of 4 to 5 foot high
chainlink fence, and NOT have the posts cemented in??

We have a small backyard, only about 50 feet wide between houses. We
have a small wooded area behind our house, and no backyard fence. Last
year we tried to have a vegetable garden, but either deer, or raccoons
or something ate all our vegetable plants!!! They loved eating the
tomato and pumpkin plants. They ate everything right down to the
stalk!!!!!

It will take a lot more than a 5 foot fence to keep deer or racoons out.. My
father watched deer jump a fence much higher than than (8 feet?). ANd racoons
can climb just fine.

I believe deer can go even higher.
But my experience says they won't.

http://mysite.verizon.net/despen/fence/

I've had that 6 foot fence up since 2009 and so far, not one deer has
come in the yard.

However, deer can see right through chain link.
I think it's important for the view to be blocked.
Deer aren't likely to jump something when they can't see where they are
going to land.

I don't think *5 feet of chain link will work and I don't think
you'd be able to stretch the link onto the fence if you don't use
cement. *You could try cementing only the end posts but if I was
doing chain link, I'd use cement on all the posts.

This last year, about 7 sections of my fence were destroyed by Sandy.
After the trees were removed, we had deer tracks in the yard the next
day. *I just finished repairs so the deer will have to eat somewhere
else.

Oh, yeah, raccoons. *Nothing short of land mines or electricity will
keep them out. *I don't grow vegetables.

--
Dan Espen

have a complete fence and get a dog, it will police the area and
discourage visitors.....

only the corner post of my 6 foot chain link fence were concreted in
over 15 years ago, no problems.

although the gate posts were also concreted in

On Mon, 22 Apr 2013 12:19:00 -0400, (MICHELLE H.)
wrote:

I see that some people debate over whether fence posts should be
cemented into the ground or not. Some people say yes, you need cement to
keep the fence sturdy, other people say putting the posts 2 feet down in
soil or even crushed rock is perfectly fine.


Would it be okay to install 50 feet ( length ) of 4 to 5 foot high
chainlink fence, and NOT have the posts cemented in??


We have a small backyard, only about 50 feet wide between houses. We
have a small wooded area behind our house, and no backyard fence. Last
year we tried to have a vegetable garden, but either deer, or raccoons
or something ate all our vegetable plants!!! They loved eating the
tomato and pumpkin plants. They ate everything right down to the
stalk!!!!!


The local fence company wants $1,000 bucks to install a 6 foot high
Cedar stockade fence along the 50 feet of property line. They want $700
for 50 feet of spruce. "Pressure treated posts", and the fence will be
"nailed on". We don't have the extra money right now, so thinking of
just putting up a chainlink fence with the metal chainlink fence posts.
We would like to get either a wooden or PVC 6 foot high stockade fence
in the future, so would like the chainlink to just be temporary, so that
we can TRY to have a vegetable garden this year, and so we don't want to
have to dig up heavy cemented posts in the future, when it's time to
take the chainlink fence down.


So would it really be that bad to install 50 feet of chainlink fence and
NOT cement the posts in the ground, and maybe just pack them down with
dirt, 2 feet deep??


Thanks.
Steel posts less than 4" diameter will move all over the place
without cementing them in.. Around here you go at least 3 feet down
and cement 2 1/2 inch posts in a minimum 6" hole, otherwize the fence
will start to lean within 2 years.

On Mon, 22 Apr 2013 09:28:08 -0700 (PDT), harry
wrote:

On Apr 22, 5:19*pm, (MICHELLE H.) wrote:
I see that some people debate over whether fence posts should be
cemented into the ground or not. Some people say yes, you need cement to
keep the fence sturdy, other people say putting the posts 2 feet down in
soil or even crushed rock is perfectly fine.

Would it be okay to install 50 feet ( length ) of 4 to 5 foot high
chainlink fence, and NOT have the posts cemented in??

We have a small backyard, only about 50 feet wide between houses. We
have a small wooded area behind our house, and no backyard fence. Last
year we tried to have a vegetable garden, but either deer, or raccoons
or something ate all our vegetable plants!!! They loved eating the
tomato and pumpkin plants. They ate everything right down to the
stalk!!!!!

The local fence company wants $1,000 bucks to *install a 6 foot high
Cedar stockade fence along the 50 feet of property line. They want $700
for 50 feet of spruce. "Pressure treated posts", and the fence will be
"nailed on". *We don't have the extra money right now, so thinking of
just putting up a chainlink fence with the metal chainlink fence posts.
We would like to get either a wooden or PVC 6 foot high stockade fence
in the future, so would like the chainlink to just be temporary, so that
we can TRY to have a vegetable garden this year, and so we don't want to
have to dig up heavy cemented posts in the future, when it's time to
take the chainlink fence down.

So would it really be that bad to install 50 feet of chainlink fence and
NOT cement the posts in the ground, and maybe just pack them down with
dirt, 2 feet deep??

Thanks.

This is the best way to install fence posts, with a metal spike driven
into the ground. Prevents rot for much longer than concrete and can
be taken out (but not that easily).
Also shorter posts can be used and quicker to install.

http://www.buyfencingdirect.co.uk/fe...t-support-75cm
But chain link is USUALLY on steel posts - - - - - - -

On Mon, 22 Apr 2013 13:37:27 -0400, Peter wrote:

On 4/22/2013 12:19 PM, MICHELLE H. wrote:
I see that some people debate over whether fence posts should be
cemented into the ground or not. Some people say yes, you need cement
to keep the fence sturdy, other people say putting the posts 2 feet
down in soil or even crushed rock is perfectly fine.


Would it be okay to install 50 feet ( length ) of 4 to 5 foot high
chainlink fence, and NOT have the posts cemented in??


We have a small backyard, only about 50 feet wide between houses. We
have a small wooded area behind our house, and no backyard fence.
Last year we tried to have a vegetable garden, but either deer, or
raccoons or something ate all our vegetable plants!!! They loved
eating the tomato and pumpkin plants. They ate everything right down
to the stalk!!!!!


The local fence company wants $1,000 bucks to install a 6 foot high
Cedar stockade fence along the 50 feet of property line. They want
$700 for 50 feet of spruce. "Pressure treated posts", and the fence
will be "nailed on". We don't have the extra money right now, so
thinking of just putting up a chainlink fence with the metal
chainlink fence posts. We would like to get either a wooden or PVC 6
foot high stockade fence in the future, so would like the chainlink
to just be temporary, so that we can TRY to have a vegetable garden
this year, and so we don't want to have to dig up heavy cemented
posts in the future, when it's time to take the chainlink fence
down.


So would it really be that bad to install 50 feet of chainlink fence
and NOT cement the posts in the ground, and maybe just pack them down
with dirt, 2 feet deep??


Thanks.


You'll be wasting your money if your intent is to keep out veggie
chomping critters. Our area is infested with deer, racoons, rabbits,
etc. Our 6' chain link fence keeps out none of the above. The small
animals burrow under the fence and the deer jump it as if it were not
there. Our neighbors have been successful by surrounding the perimeter
of their veggie plot with vertical metal strips that are sunk down about
12" and protrude above ground level about 8". Inside the plot they've
put up some tent poles and attached strong, nylon netting and fastened
the margins of the netting securely to the metal strips. The holes in
the netting are large enough to allow bees in to pollinate the veggie
flowers but are small enough to keep out birds and 4 legged critters.
They built the tent with a flap that ties securely with nylon twine.
Seems to do the job.
Fence won't stop deer or coons - digging the chain k,link in a
minimum of 8 inches stops MOST diggers - and nothing stops the "tree
rats" - short of a well aimed .22

Yeah, those raccoons are nasty as well!!! And they aren't all
lovey-dovey, and cute like you see on TV or in the movies!!! The ones
that come up into my backyard are HUGE!!! Last year there was about 8 of
them, and they look to weigh about 40 pounds each with long 4 inch razor
sharp nails. And if there are little ones, watch out, because the momma
raccoon won't back down, and she will charge at you!!!!!

"harry" wrote in message
...
On Apr 22, 5:19 pm, (MICHELLE H.) wrote:
I see that some people debate over whether fence posts should be
cemented into the ground or not. Some people say yes, you need cement to
keep the fence sturdy, other people say putting the posts 2 feet down in
soil or even crushed rock is perfectly fine.

Would it be okay to install 50 feet ( length ) of 4 to 5 foot high
chainlink fence, and NOT have the posts cemented in??

We have a small backyard, only about 50 feet wide between houses. We
have a small wooded area behind our house, and no backyard fence. Last
year we tried to have a vegetable garden, but either deer, or raccoons
or something ate all our vegetable plants!!! They loved eating the
tomato and pumpkin plants. They ate everything right down to the
stalk!!!!!

The local fence company wants $1,000 bucks to install a 6 foot high
Cedar stockade fence along the 50 feet of property line. They want $700
for 50 feet of spruce. "Pressure treated posts", and the fence will be
"nailed on". We don't have the extra money right now, so thinking of
just putting up a chainlink fence with the metal chainlink fence posts.
We would like to get either a wooden or PVC 6 foot high stockade fence
in the future, so would like the chainlink to just be temporary, so that
we can TRY to have a vegetable garden this year, and so we don't want to
have to dig up heavy cemented posts in the future, when it's time to
take the chainlink fence down.

So would it really be that bad to install 50 feet of chainlink fence and
NOT cement the posts in the ground, and maybe just pack them down with
dirt, 2 feet deep??

Thanks.
#
# This is the best way to install fence posts, with a metal spike driven
# into the ground. Prevents rot for much longer than concrete and can
# be taken out (but not that easily).
# Also shorter posts can be used and quicker to install.
#
#
http://www.buyfencingdirect.co.uk/fencing-accessories/post-spikes-and-post-bases/110mm-post-support-75cm

I used a couple of those to build a handrail next to concrete steps
10 years later, the handrail is still solid.

wrote in message
...
On Mon, 22 Apr 2013 09:28:08 -0700 (PDT), harry
wrote:

On Apr 22, 5:19 pm, (MICHELLE H.) wrote:
I see that some people debate over whether fence posts should be
cemented into the ground or not. Some people say yes, you need cement to
keep the fence sturdy, other people say putting the posts 2 feet down in
soil or even crushed rock is perfectly fine.

Would it be okay to install 50 feet ( length ) of 4 to 5 foot high
chainlink fence, and NOT have the posts cemented in??

We have a small backyard, only about 50 feet wide between houses. We
have a small wooded area behind our house, and no backyard fence. Last
year we tried to have a vegetable garden, but either deer, or raccoons
or something ate all our vegetable plants!!! They loved eating the
tomato and pumpkin plants. They ate everything right down to the
stalk!!!!!

The local fence company wants $1,000 bucks to install a 6 foot high
Cedar stockade fence along the 50 feet of property line. They want $700
for 50 feet of spruce. "Pressure treated posts", and the fence will be
"nailed on". We don't have the extra money right now, so thinking of
just putting up a chainlink fence with the metal chainlink fence posts.
We would like to get either a wooden or PVC 6 foot high stockade fence
in the future, so would like the chainlink to just be temporary, so that
we can TRY to have a vegetable garden this year, and so we don't want to
have to dig up heavy cemented posts in the future, when it's time to
take the chainlink fence down.

So would it really be that bad to install 50 feet of chainlink fence and
NOT cement the posts in the ground, and maybe just pack them down with
dirt, 2 feet deep??

Thanks.

This is the best way to install fence posts, with a metal spike driven
into the ground. Prevents rot for much longer than concrete and can
be taken out (but not that easily).
Also shorter posts can be used and quicker to install.

http://www.buyfencingdirect.co.uk/fe...t-support-75cm
But chain link is USUALLY on steel posts - - - - - - -



And a 2" steel post needs a cement footer, compared to a 4" wood post.

On 4/22/2013 9:19 AM, MICHELLE H. wrote:
I see that some people debate over whether fence posts should be
cemented into the ground or not. Some people say yes, you need cement to
keep the fence sturdy, other people say putting the posts 2 feet down in
soil or even crushed rock is perfectly fine.


Would it be okay to install 50 feet ( length ) of 4 to 5 foot high
chainlink fence, and NOT have the posts cemented in??


We have a small backyard, only about 50 feet wide between houses. We
have a small wooded area behind our house, and no backyard fence. Last
year we tried to have a vegetable garden, but either deer, or raccoons
or something ate all our vegetable plants!!! They loved eating the
tomato and pumpkin plants. They ate everything right down to the
stalk!!!!!


The local fence company wants $1,000 bucks to install a 6 foot high
Cedar stockade fence along the 50 feet of property line. They want $700
for 50 feet of spruce. "Pressure treated posts", and the fence will be
"nailed on". We don't have the extra money right now, so thinking of
just putting up a chainlink fence with the metal chainlink fence posts.
We would like to get either a wooden or PVC 6 foot high stockade fence
in the future, so would like the chainlink to just be temporary, so that
we can TRY to have a vegetable garden this year, and so we don't want to
have to dig up heavy cemented posts in the future, when it's time to
take the chainlink fence down.


So would it really be that bad to install 50 feet of chainlink fence and
NOT cement the posts in the ground, and maybe just pack them down with
dirt, 2 feet deep??


Thanks.

If you are ok with using an electric fence, I can tell you how I made
mine. Found article on the web, but lost the link. Before I put up the
fence, we had 28 deer lounging in our lawn. Now, none for the last 5
years. We protect about an acre around the house and garden, etc.

The fence is cheap and easy to put up and maintain.

Paul in Central Oregon

"MICHELLE H." wrote in message
...
Yeah, my neighbor has a garden, and he has a 6 foot high wooden stockade
fence on his back property line. Last year he saw 4 deer sticking their
necks OVER his 6 foot high fence, because they were eating all his Green
Beans from his bean stalks!!!! They can stretch their necks out very far
as well!!! And, yes I know they can jump over fences at least 8 feet
high!!! I had some really nice tomato plants, lettuce, and pumpkins
growing last year. In 1 night the damn deer ater it all and killed the
plants!!!!!!


Anyway, the soil is somewhat of a sandy/loam mix. Some nice loam on the
top as topsoil, probably a few inches, with sandy soil underneath. My
neighbor told me to just put up one of those cheap 4 foot high Green
plastic fences, or some chicken wire fencing, but I was thinking that
chainlink would be a little more sturdy!?


Only want it temporary, as I will most likely get a 6 foot high wooden
or PVC fence later on when I get the extra money. Yes, I heard that you
can pound the posts in, but you have to be careful not to ruin the top,
or you won't be able to get the "post caps" on!?




Use a "sacrifice" post cap for the pounding process.

"MICHELLE H." wrote in message
...
Yeah, those raccoons are nasty as well!!! And they aren't all
lovey-dovey, and cute like you see on TV or in the movies!!! The ones
that come up into my backyard are HUGE!!! Last year there was about 8 of
them, and they look to weigh about 40 pounds each with long 4 inch razor
sharp nails. And if there are little ones, watch out, because the momma
raccoon won't back down, and she will charge at you!!!!!




You sit up a few times with a slingshot and use them for target practice,
and they'll stop coming around.

Dan Espen wrote:
It will take a lot more than a 5 foot fence to keep deer or racoons
out. My father watched deer jump a fence much higher than than (8
feet?). ANd racoons can climb just fine.

I believe deer can go even higher.
But my experience says they won't.

For a veggy garden, they will. My dad told me he watched, when his fence was 8
feet tall probably, a deer standing still sideways to the fence jump over it in
one motion.

On 4/22/2013 1:52 PM, Dan Espen wrote:
"Bob F" writes:

R MICHELLE H. wrote:
I see that some people debate over whether fence posts should be
cemented into the ground or not. Some people say yes, you need cement
to keep the fence sturdy, other people say putting the posts 2 feet
down in soil or even crushed rock is perfectly fine.


Would it be okay to install 50 feet ( length ) of 4 to 5 foot high
chainlink fence, and NOT have the posts cemented in??


We have a small backyard, only about 50 feet wide between houses. We
have a small wooded area behind our house, and no backyard fence. Last
year we tried to have a vegetable garden, but either deer, or raccoons
or something ate all our vegetable plants!!! They loved eating the
tomato and pumpkin plants. They ate everything right down to the
stalk!!!!!

It will take a lot more than a 5 foot fence to keep deer or racoons out. My
father watched deer jump a fence much higher than than (8 feet?). ANd racoons
can climb just fine.

I believe deer can go even higher.
But my experience says they won't.

http://mysite.verizon.net/despen/fence/

I've had that 6 foot fence up since 2009 and so far, not one deer has
come in the yard.

However, deer can see right through chain link.
I think it's important for the view to be blocked.
Deer aren't likely to jump something when they can't see where they are
going to land.

I don't think 5 feet of chain link will work and I don't think
you'd be able to stretch the link onto the fence if you don't use
cement. You could try cementing only the end posts but if I was
doing chain link, I'd use cement on all the posts.

This last year, about 7 sections of my fence were destroyed by Sandy.
After the trees were removed, we had deer tracks in the yard the next
day. I just finished repairs so the deer will have to eat somewhere
else.

Oh, yeah, raccoons. Nothing short of land mines or electricity will
keep them out. I don't grow vegetables.


I think an 8 ft fence will keep out any deer but smaller fences will
deter them too. Deer are browsers and will walk along, bump into a
fence and go other wheres. Netting will deter them and cheapest thing
would be wooden posts with netting. It is not necessary to block their
view. The whole garden should be enclosed or deer could just walk
around fenced sections.

(MICHELLE H.) writes:

Yeah, those raccoons are nasty as well!!! And they aren't all
lovey-dovey, and cute like you see on TV or in the movies!!! The ones
that come up into my backyard are HUGE!!! Last year there was about 8 of
them, and they look to weigh about 40 pounds each with long 4 inch razor
sharp nails. And if there are little ones, watch out, because the momma
raccoon won't back down, and she will charge at you!!!!!

I tried to chase some off my pool deck one night.
I'd push them over the side of the deck with the pool net
and they'd climb right back up.

They made short work of the pool toys and floats.
No idea why they felt compelled to eat the water pistols.
Now I take the pool stuff inside at night.

--
Dan Espen

"Bob F" writes:

Dan Espen wrote:
It will take a lot more than a 5 foot fence to keep deer or racoons
out. My father watched deer jump a fence much higher than than (8
feet?). ANd racoons can climb just fine.

I believe deer can go even higher.
But my experience says they won't.

For a veggy garden, they will. My dad told me he watched, when his fence was 8
feet tall probably, a deer standing still sideways to the fence jump over it in
one motion.

Not surprised, but I thought Hosta were number one on their menu.
Yeah I suppose veggies might be even more attractive.

--
Dan Espen

"Dan Espen" wrote in message ...

"Bob F" writes:

R MICHELLE H. wrote:
I see that some people debate over whether fence posts should be
cemented into the ground or not. Some people say yes, you need cement
to keep the fence sturdy, other people say putting the posts 2 feet
down in soil or even crushed rock is perfectly fine.


Would it be okay to install 50 feet ( length ) of 4 to 5 foot high
chainlink fence, and NOT have the posts cemented in??


We have a small backyard, only about 50 feet wide between houses. We
have a small wooded area behind our house, and no backyard fence. Last
year we tried to have a vegetable garden, but either deer, or raccoons
or something ate all our vegetable plants!!! They loved eating the
tomato and pumpkin plants. They ate everything right down to the
stalk!!!!!

It will take a lot more than a 5 foot fence to keep deer or racoons out.
My
father watched deer jump a fence much higher than than (8 feet?). ANd
racoons
can climb just fine.

I believe deer can go even higher.
But my experience says they won't.

http://mysite.verizon.net/despen/fence/

I've had that 6 foot fence up since 2009 and so far, not one deer has
come in the yard.

However, deer can see right through chain link.
I think it's important for the view to be blocked.
Deer aren't likely to jump something when they can't see where they are
going to land.

I don't think 5 feet of chain link will work and I don't think
you'd be able to stretch the link onto the fence if you don't use
cement. You could try cementing only the end posts but if I was
doing chain link, I'd use cement on all the posts.

This last year, about 7 sections of my fence were destroyed by Sandy.
After the trees were removed, we had deer tracks in the yard the next
day. I just finished repairs so the deer will have to eat somewhere
else.

Oh, yeah, raccoons. Nothing short of land mines or electricity will
keep them out. I don't grow vegetables.

--
Dan Espen

Dan..We had a raccoon problem here cleaning out the bird feeders. I solved
it. Metal plate under a wood frame. metal dish in top of frame. Put food in
the dish. Connected a fence charger to dish and ground wire to metal plate.
Next morning a large pee puddle was there but have not seen a raccoon since.
WW

On Mon, 22 Apr 2013 13:41:13 -0400, (MICHELLE H.)
wrote:

Only want it temporary, as I will most likely get a 6 foot high wooden
or PVC fence later on when I get the extra money. Yes, I heard that you
can pound the posts in, but you have to be careful not to ruin the top,
or you won't be able to get the "post caps" on!?

I would not put top caps on the pipes for a "temporary" fence (cost).
If the pipe _is_ damaged - it can be cut off if he pipe is long
enough.

MICHELLE H. wrote:
I see that some people debate over whether fence posts should be
cemented into the ground or not. Some people say yes, you need cement
to keep the fence sturdy, other people say putting the posts 2 feet
down in soil or even crushed rock is perfectly fine.


Would it be okay to install 50 feet ( length ) of 4 to 5 foot high
chainlink fence, and NOT have the posts cemented in??

I'm not a fence type person but my next neighbor to the east has a 1200'
fence along our mutual property line; wood posts and barbed wire. Been
there for 17 years.

--

dadiOH
____________________________

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Taxes out of hand? Maybe just ready for a change?
Check it out... http://www.floridaloghouse.net

dadiOH wrote:
MICHELLE H. wrote:
I see that some people debate over whether fence posts should be
cemented into the ground or not. Some people say yes, you need cement
to keep the fence sturdy, other people say putting the posts 2 feet
down in soil or even crushed rock is perfectly fine.


Would it be okay to install 50 feet ( length ) of 4 to 5 foot high
chainlink fence, and NOT have the posts cemented in??

I'm not a fence type person but my next neighbor to the east has a
1200' fence along our mutual property line; wood posts and barbed
wire. Been there for 17 years.

Meant to say, there is no concrete, just PT posts in the ground by about
24".

--

dadiOH
____________________________

Winters getting colder? Tired of the rat race?
Taxes out of hand? Maybe just ready for a change?
Check it out... http://www.floridaloghouse.net

Per Frank:

I think an 8 ft fence will keep out any deer but smaller fences will
deter them too. Deer are browsers and will walk along, bump into a
fence and go other wheres. Netting will deter them and cheapest thing
would be wooden posts with netting. It is not necessary to block their
view. The whole garden should be enclosed or deer could just walk
around fenced sections.

Has anybody tried an electric fence? Seems like the cheapest.
--
Pete Cresswell

On Apr 22, 11:57 am, "Bob F" wrote:
MICHELLE H. wrote:

It will take a lot more than a 5 foot fence to keep deer or racoons out. My
father watched deer jump a fence much higher than than (8 feet?). ANd racoons
can climb just fine.

A 4 foot fence is perfectly adequate if it has a dog on the inside
of it. Especially a terrier or a shepherd..... It is sufficient to
keep out deer, raccoons, and Mexicans....

On Apr 22, 9:28*am, harry wrote:
On Apr 22, 5:19*pm, (MICHELLE H.) wrote:









I see that some people debate over whether fence posts should be
cemented into the ground or not. Some people say yes, you need cement to
keep the fence sturdy, other people say putting the posts 2 feet down in
soil or even crushed rock is perfectly fine.

Would it be okay to install 50 feet ( length ) of 4 to 5 foot high
chainlink fence, and NOT have the posts cemented in??

We have a small backyard, only about 50 feet wide between houses. We
have a small wooded area behind our house, and no backyard fence. Last
year we tried to have a vegetable garden, but either deer, or raccoons
or something ate all our vegetable plants!!! They loved eating the
tomato and pumpkin plants. They ate everything right down to the
stalk!!!!!

The local fence company wants $1,000 bucks to *install a 6 foot high
Cedar stockade fence along the 50 feet of property line. They want $700
for 50 feet of spruce. "Pressure treated posts", and the fence will be
"nailed on". *We don't have the extra money right now, so thinking of
just putting up a chainlink fence with the metal chainlink fence posts.
We would like to get either a wooden or PVC 6 foot high stockade fence
in the future, so would like the chainlink to just be temporary, so that
we can TRY to have a vegetable garden this year, and so we don't want to
have to dig up heavy cemented posts in the future, when it's time to
take the chainlink fence down.

So would it really be that bad to install 50 feet of chainlink fence and
NOT cement the posts in the ground, and maybe just pack them down with
dirt, 2 feet deep??

Thanks.

This is the best way to install fence posts, with a metal spike driven
into the ground. *Prevents rot for much longer than concrete and can
be taken out (but not that easily).
Also shorter posts can be used and quicker to install.

http://www.buyfencingdirect.co.uk/fe...ost-spikes-and...

-1

On Mon, 22 Apr 2013 15:20:03 -0400, Frank
wrote:

On 4/22/2013 1:52 PM, Dan Espen wrote:
"Bob F" writes:

R MICHELLE H. wrote:
I see that some people debate over whether fence posts should be
cemented into the ground or not. Some people say yes, you need cement
to keep the fence sturdy, other people say putting the posts 2 feet
down in soil or even crushed rock is perfectly fine.


Would it be okay to install 50 feet ( length ) of 4 to 5 foot high
chainlink fence, and NOT have the posts cemented in??


We have a small backyard, only about 50 feet wide between houses. We
have a small wooded area behind our house, and no backyard fence. Last
year we tried to have a vegetable garden, but either deer, or raccoons
or something ate all our vegetable plants!!! They loved eating the
tomato and pumpkin plants. They ate everything right down to the
stalk!!!!!

It will take a lot more than a 5 foot fence to keep deer or racoons out. My
father watched deer jump a fence much higher than than (8 feet?). ANd racoons
can climb just fine.

I believe deer can go even higher.
But my experience says they won't.

http://mysite.verizon.net/despen/fence/

I've had that 6 foot fence up since 2009 and so far, not one deer has
come in the yard.

However, deer can see right through chain link.
I think it's important for the view to be blocked.
Deer aren't likely to jump something when they can't see where they are
going to land.

I don't think 5 feet of chain link will work and I don't think
you'd be able to stretch the link onto the fence if you don't use
cement. You could try cementing only the end posts but if I was
doing chain link, I'd use cement on all the posts.

This last year, about 7 sections of my fence were destroyed by Sandy.
After the trees were removed, we had deer tracks in the yard the next
day. I just finished repairs so the deer will have to eat somewhere
else.

Oh, yeah, raccoons. Nothing short of land mines or electricity will
keep them out. I don't grow vegetables.


I think an 8 ft fence will keep out any deer but smaller fences will
deter them too. Deer are browsers and will walk along, bump into a
fence and go other wheres. Netting will deter them and cheapest thing
would be wooden posts with netting. It is not necessary to block their
view. The whole garden should be enclosed or deer could just walk
around fenced sections.
Tell the urban deer here in Kitchener that. a six foot fence is an
invitation. An 8 foot fence a challenge. An 8 foot board fence they
cannot see through is quite effective, but not foolprof. Every year
you get a couple jumping blind into swimming pools.

On Mon, 22 Apr 2013 19:33:42 -0400, "dadiOH"
wrote:

MICHELLE H. wrote:
I see that some people debate over whether fence posts should be
cemented into the ground or not. Some people say yes, you need cement
to keep the fence sturdy, other people say putting the posts 2 feet
down in soil or even crushed rock is perfectly fine.


Would it be okay to install 50 feet ( length ) of 4 to 5 foot high
chainlink fence, and NOT have the posts cemented in??

I'm not a fence type person but my next neighbor to the east has a 1200'
fence along our mutual property line; wood posts and barbed wire. Been
there for 17 years.
Barbed wire and chain link are too completely different situations.

On Mon, 22 Apr 2013 19:36:23 -0400, "dadiOH"
wrote:

dadiOH wrote:
MICHELLE H. wrote:
I see that some people debate over whether fence posts should be
cemented into the ground or not. Some people say yes, you need cement
to keep the fence sturdy, other people say putting the posts 2 feet
down in soil or even crushed rock is perfectly fine.


Would it be okay to install 50 feet ( length ) of 4 to 5 foot high
chainlink fence, and NOT have the posts cemented in??

I'm not a fence type person but my next neighbor to the east has a
1200' fence along our mutual property line; wood posts and barbed
wire. Been there for 17 years.

Meant to say, there is no concrete, just PT posts in the ground by about
24".
4X4 wood posts (or something close) with a low tension single or 2
strand fence is very commonly done without concrete. But that's not
"chain link" or steel tubular posts.

On Mon, 22 Apr 2013 19:52:16 -0400, "(PeteCresswell)"
wrote:

Per Frank:

I think an 8 ft fence will keep out any deer but smaller fences will
deter them too. Deer are browsers and will walk along, bump into a
fence and go other wheres. Netting will deter them and cheapest thing
would be wooden posts with netting. It is not necessary to block their
view. The whole garden should be enclosed or deer could just walk
around fenced sections.

Has anybody tried an electric fence? Seems like the cheapest.
Back on the farm they (the deer) cleared the electric fences if they
found them in daylight. They were effective if they found them at
night. Might work if you kept them turned off during daylight hours
to maximize the chance of them finding them live by feel. They
usually don't try the second time if they are anything like horses.

On Mon, 22 Apr 2013 17:20:39 -0700 (PDT), Robert
wrote:

On Apr 22, 11:57 am, "Bob F" wrote:
MICHELLE H. wrote:

It will take a lot more than a 5 foot fence to keep deer or racoons out. My
father watched deer jump a fence much higher than than (8 feet?). ANd racoons
can climb just fine.

A 4 foot fence is perfectly adequate if it has a dog on the inside
of it. Especially a terrier or a shepherd..... It is sufficient to
keep out deer, raccoons, and Mexicans....
Unarmed mexicans, perhaps.

On 4/22/13 11:19 AM, MICHELLE H. wrote:
I see that some people debate over whether fence posts should be
cemented into the ground or not. Some people say yes, you need cement to
keep the fence sturdy, other people say putting the posts 2 feet down in
soil or even crushed rock is perfectly fine.


Would it be okay to install 50 feet ( length ) of 4 to 5 foot high
chainlink fence, and NOT have the posts cemented in??


A bunch cut.

One thought would be plastic snow fence.
Amazon link: http://tinyurl.com/d2xtg4f
It's only four foot high but highly visible.
Put in several T posts to hold it:
http://tinyurl.com/cdpaw7c
Someone already referenced a post pounder:
http://tinyurl.com/brd5qzb

On Apr 22, 8:20*pm, Robert wrote:
On Apr 22, 11:57 am, "Bob F" wrote:

MICHELLE H. wrote:
It will take a lot more than a 5 foot fence to keep deer or racoons out.. My
father watched deer jump a fence much higher than than (8 feet?). ANd racoons
can climb just fine.

A 4 foot fence is perfectly adequate if it has a dog on the inside
of it. * Especially a terrier or a shepherd..... *It is sufficient to
keep out deer, raccoons, and Mexicans....

My minature poodle had no problem getting over a 4 foot high fence

Puddle would run along the fence and LEAP over it.....

This led to many police visits and neighbor issues.

Finally solved with a 6 foot chainlink fence. That cost thousands.

We also tried a electric fence, she found that easy to defeat

She died several years ago at near 15 years old, and I still miss her.
Her ashes are here to to buried with me when I die......

I see that some people debate over whether fence posts should be
cemented into the ground or not. Some people say yes, you need cement
to keep the fence sturdy, other people say putting the posts 2 feet
down in soil or even crushed rock is perfectly fine.

I would use concrete around corner posts and gate posts, and just soil
around posts in the middle of a run. Put gravel in the bottom of the hole
for drainage, and stop the concrete a few inches below ground level. Try to
taper the top of the concrete so water will run away from the post.

It will take a lot more than a 5 foot fence to keep deer or
racoons out. My father watched deer jump a fence much higher
than that (8 feet?). ANd racoons can climb just fine.

We have an ongoing love/hate relationship with deer. We really enjoy having
them visit and watching the babies grow up. We don't like that they eat
everything we stick in the ground. I try new "deer resistant" plants every
year to see what works best, and so far they have chomped down every single
"deer proof" plant except for Hellebores. They haven't so much as sniffed
at those.

Anyway, deer usually won't jump into a confined area if they don't think
they can get back out. I have heard that two 4' high fences spaced about
5' apart works better than a single 8' high fence.

I've never used anything more than a single 4' high fence around our
vegetable gardens. Our current garden is a small 8x8 raised garden, so
they're not likely to jump in there, especially with the different levels
inside. Even when we had a large 30x30 garden they never jumped in to eat
anything. The only time they jumped in was when they were on the run from a
dog or something, but they were in and out and didn't eat anything.
There's enough easier pickings around our yard for them to bother going
into the garden.

Our raccoons have never expressed an interest in our garden, but we do have
to keep the rabbits out.

Anthony Watson
www.mountain-software.com/about.htm

On 4/22/2013 12:19 PM, MICHELLE H. wrote:
I see that some people debate over whether fence posts should be
cemented into the ground or not. Some people say yes, you need cement to
keep the fence sturdy, other people say putting the posts 2 feet down in
soil or even crushed rock is perfectly fine.


Would it be okay to install 50 feet ( length ) of 4 to 5 foot high
chainlink fence, and NOT have the posts cemented in??


We have a small backyard, only about 50 feet wide between houses. We
have a small wooded area behind our house, and no backyard fence. Last
year we tried to have a vegetable garden, but either deer, or raccoons
or something ate all our vegetable plants!!! They loved eating the
tomato and pumpkin plants. They ate everything right down to the
stalk!!!!!


The local fence company wants $1,000 bucks to install a 6 foot high
Cedar stockade fence along the 50 feet of property line. They want $700
for 50 feet of spruce. "Pressure treated posts", and the fence will be
"nailed on". We don't have the extra money right now, so thinking of
just putting up a chainlink fence with the metal chainlink fence posts.
We would like to get either a wooden or PVC 6 foot high stockade fence
in the future, so would like the chainlink to just be temporary, so that
we can TRY to have a vegetable garden this year, and so we don't want to
have to dig up heavy cemented posts in the future, when it's time to
take the chainlink fence down.


So would it really be that bad to install 50 feet of chainlink fence and
NOT cement the posts in the ground, and maybe just pack them down with
dirt, 2 feet deep??


Thanks.



My 6' PT wooden fence along my property line around my inground pool
were installed by a local fence company (permit required).
Due to the frost line in my area, they were installed 4' into the
ground. The only concrete they used was on the corner posts and the
posts that supported gates.
That was about 20 years ago. A few years ago I replaced the 'fabric'
(the actual wooden fencing between the posts). I didn't have to move any
of the posts. This was good for me because the setback for the fencing
went from 6" in from the property line when it was first installed to 3'
from the property line in the new building code, so I was 'grandfathered'.





--
Bill
In Hamptonburgh, NY
In the original Orange County. Est. 1683
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On Apr 22, 10:17*am, Oren wrote:
On Mon, 22 Apr 2013 09:57:35 -0700, "Bob F"
wrote:

It will take a lot more than a 5 foot fence to keep deer or racoons out. My
father watched deer jump a fence much higher than than (8 feet?). ANd racoons
can climb just fine.

I watched a 10-12 *point deer jump a chain link fence 8-10' high.
Caught his legs, trips and rolled on the ground. Got up and made
tracks.

Smaller critters will likely go under a chain link fence; unless
secured with rebar.

I wonder about a 5' wooden fence though? I vaguely recall that a deer
or other animals won't jump a fench they can't see through.

Harry K