I see that some people debate over whether fence posts should be
cemented into the ground or not. Some people say yes, you need cement to
keep the fence sturdy, other people say putting the posts 2 feet down in
soil or even crushed rock is perfectly fine.


Would it be okay to install 50 feet ( length ) of 4 to 5 foot high
chainlink fence, and NOT have the posts cemented in??


We have a small backyard, only about 50 feet wide between houses. We
have a small wooded area behind our house, and no backyard fence. Last
year we tried to have a vegetable garden, but either deer, or raccoons
or something ate all our vegetable plants!!! They loved eating the
tomato and pumpkin plants. They ate everything right down to the
stalk!!!!!


The local fence company wants $1,000 bucks to install a 6 foot high
Cedar stockade fence along the 50 feet of property line. They want $700
for 50 feet of spruce. "Pressure treated posts", and the fence will be
"nailed on". We don't have the extra money right now, so thinking of
just putting up a chainlink fence with the metal chainlink fence posts.
We would like to get either a wooden or PVC 6 foot high stockade fence
in the future, so would like the chainlink to just be temporary, so that
we can TRY to have a vegetable garden this year, and so we don't want to
have to dig up heavy cemented posts in the future, when it's time to
take the chainlink fence down.


So would it really be that bad to install 50 feet of chainlink fence and
NOT cement the posts in the ground, and maybe just pack them down with
dirt, 2 feet deep??


Thanks.

On Apr 22, 5:19*pm, (MICHELLE H.) wrote:
I see that some people debate over whether fence posts should be
cemented into the ground or not. Some people say yes, you need cement to
keep the fence sturdy, other people say putting the posts 2 feet down in
soil or even crushed rock is perfectly fine.

Would it be okay to install 50 feet ( length ) of 4 to 5 foot high
chainlink fence, and NOT have the posts cemented in??

We have a small backyard, only about 50 feet wide between houses. We
have a small wooded area behind our house, and no backyard fence. Last
year we tried to have a vegetable garden, but either deer, or raccoons
or something ate all our vegetable plants!!! They loved eating the
tomato and pumpkin plants. They ate everything right down to the
stalk!!!!!

The local fence company wants $1,000 bucks to *install a 6 foot high
Cedar stockade fence along the 50 feet of property line. They want $700
for 50 feet of spruce. "Pressure treated posts", and the fence will be
"nailed on". *We don't have the extra money right now, so thinking of
just putting up a chainlink fence with the metal chainlink fence posts.
We would like to get either a wooden or PVC 6 foot high stockade fence
in the future, so would like the chainlink to just be temporary, so that
we can TRY to have a vegetable garden this year, and so we don't want to
have to dig up heavy cemented posts in the future, when it's time to
take the chainlink fence down.

So would it really be that bad to install 50 feet of chainlink fence and
NOT cement the posts in the ground, and maybe just pack them down with
dirt, 2 feet deep??

Thanks.

This is the best way to install fence posts, with a metal spike driven
into the ground. Prevents rot for much longer than concrete and can
be taken out (but not that easily).
Also shorter posts can be used and quicker to install.

http://www.buyfencingdirect.co.uk/fe...t-support-75cm

On Mon, 22 Apr 2013 09:28:08 -0700 (PDT), harry
wrote:

On Apr 22, 5:19*pm, (MICHELLE H.) wrote:
I see that some people debate over whether fence posts should be
cemented into the ground or not. Some people say yes, you need cement to
keep the fence sturdy, other people say putting the posts 2 feet down in
soil or even crushed rock is perfectly fine.

Would it be okay to install 50 feet ( length ) of 4 to 5 foot high
chainlink fence, and NOT have the posts cemented in??

We have a small backyard, only about 50 feet wide between houses. We
have a small wooded area behind our house, and no backyard fence. Last
year we tried to have a vegetable garden, but either deer, or raccoons
or something ate all our vegetable plants!!! They loved eating the
tomato and pumpkin plants. They ate everything right down to the
stalk!!!!!

The local fence company wants $1,000 bucks to *install a 6 foot high
Cedar stockade fence along the 50 feet of property line. They want $700
for 50 feet of spruce. "Pressure treated posts", and the fence will be
"nailed on". *We don't have the extra money right now, so thinking of
just putting up a chainlink fence with the metal chainlink fence posts.
We would like to get either a wooden or PVC 6 foot high stockade fence
in the future, so would like the chainlink to just be temporary, so that
we can TRY to have a vegetable garden this year, and so we don't want to
have to dig up heavy cemented posts in the future, when it's time to
take the chainlink fence down.

So would it really be that bad to install 50 feet of chainlink fence and
NOT cement the posts in the ground, and maybe just pack them down with
dirt, 2 feet deep??

Thanks.

This is the best way to install fence posts, with a metal spike driven
into the ground. Prevents rot for much longer than concrete and can
be taken out (but not that easily).
Also shorter posts can be used and quicker to install.

http://www.buyfencingdirect.co.uk/fe...t-support-75cm
But chain link is USUALLY on steel posts - - - - - - -

wrote in message
...
On Mon, 22 Apr 2013 09:28:08 -0700 (PDT), harry
wrote:

On Apr 22, 5:19 pm, (MICHELLE H.) wrote:
I see that some people debate over whether fence posts should be
cemented into the ground or not. Some people say yes, you need cement to
keep the fence sturdy, other people say putting the posts 2 feet down in
soil or even crushed rock is perfectly fine.

Would it be okay to install 50 feet ( length ) of 4 to 5 foot high
chainlink fence, and NOT have the posts cemented in??

We have a small backyard, only about 50 feet wide between houses. We
have a small wooded area behind our house, and no backyard fence. Last
year we tried to have a vegetable garden, but either deer, or raccoons
or something ate all our vegetable plants!!! They loved eating the
tomato and pumpkin plants. They ate everything right down to the
stalk!!!!!

The local fence company wants $1,000 bucks to install a 6 foot high
Cedar stockade fence along the 50 feet of property line. They want $700
for 50 feet of spruce. "Pressure treated posts", and the fence will be
"nailed on". We don't have the extra money right now, so thinking of
just putting up a chainlink fence with the metal chainlink fence posts.
We would like to get either a wooden or PVC 6 foot high stockade fence
in the future, so would like the chainlink to just be temporary, so that
we can TRY to have a vegetable garden this year, and so we don't want to
have to dig up heavy cemented posts in the future, when it's time to
take the chainlink fence down.

So would it really be that bad to install 50 feet of chainlink fence and
NOT cement the posts in the ground, and maybe just pack them down with
dirt, 2 feet deep??

Thanks.

This is the best way to install fence posts, with a metal spike driven
into the ground. Prevents rot for much longer than concrete and can
be taken out (but not that easily).
Also shorter posts can be used and quicker to install.

http://www.buyfencingdirect.co.uk/fe...t-support-75cm
But chain link is USUALLY on steel posts - - - - - - -



And a 2" steel post needs a cement footer, compared to a 4" wood post.

On Apr 22, 9:28*am, harry wrote:
On Apr 22, 5:19*pm, (MICHELLE H.) wrote:









I see that some people debate over whether fence posts should be
cemented into the ground or not. Some people say yes, you need cement to
keep the fence sturdy, other people say putting the posts 2 feet down in
soil or even crushed rock is perfectly fine.

Would it be okay to install 50 feet ( length ) of 4 to 5 foot high
chainlink fence, and NOT have the posts cemented in??

We have a small backyard, only about 50 feet wide between houses. We
have a small wooded area behind our house, and no backyard fence. Last
year we tried to have a vegetable garden, but either deer, or raccoons
or something ate all our vegetable plants!!! They loved eating the
tomato and pumpkin plants. They ate everything right down to the
stalk!!!!!

The local fence company wants $1,000 bucks to *install a 6 foot high
Cedar stockade fence along the 50 feet of property line. They want $700
for 50 feet of spruce. "Pressure treated posts", and the fence will be
"nailed on". *We don't have the extra money right now, so thinking of
just putting up a chainlink fence with the metal chainlink fence posts.
We would like to get either a wooden or PVC 6 foot high stockade fence
in the future, so would like the chainlink to just be temporary, so that
we can TRY to have a vegetable garden this year, and so we don't want to
have to dig up heavy cemented posts in the future, when it's time to
take the chainlink fence down.

So would it really be that bad to install 50 feet of chainlink fence and
NOT cement the posts in the ground, and maybe just pack them down with
dirt, 2 feet deep??

Thanks.

This is the best way to install fence posts, with a metal spike driven
into the ground. *Prevents rot for much longer than concrete and can
be taken out (but not that easily).
Also shorter posts can be used and quicker to install.

http://www.buyfencingdirect.co.uk/fe...ost-spikes-and...

-1

"harry" wrote in message
...
On Apr 22, 5:19 pm, (MICHELLE H.) wrote:
I see that some people debate over whether fence posts should be
cemented into the ground or not. Some people say yes, you need cement to
keep the fence sturdy, other people say putting the posts 2 feet down in
soil or even crushed rock is perfectly fine.

Would it be okay to install 50 feet ( length ) of 4 to 5 foot high
chainlink fence, and NOT have the posts cemented in??

We have a small backyard, only about 50 feet wide between houses. We
have a small wooded area behind our house, and no backyard fence. Last
year we tried to have a vegetable garden, but either deer, or raccoons
or something ate all our vegetable plants!!! They loved eating the
tomato and pumpkin plants. They ate everything right down to the
stalk!!!!!

The local fence company wants $1,000 bucks to install a 6 foot high
Cedar stockade fence along the 50 feet of property line. They want $700
for 50 feet of spruce. "Pressure treated posts", and the fence will be
"nailed on". We don't have the extra money right now, so thinking of
just putting up a chainlink fence with the metal chainlink fence posts.
We would like to get either a wooden or PVC 6 foot high stockade fence
in the future, so would like the chainlink to just be temporary, so that
we can TRY to have a vegetable garden this year, and so we don't want to
have to dig up heavy cemented posts in the future, when it's time to
take the chainlink fence down.

So would it really be that bad to install 50 feet of chainlink fence and
NOT cement the posts in the ground, and maybe just pack them down with
dirt, 2 feet deep??

Thanks.
#
# This is the best way to install fence posts, with a metal spike driven
# into the ground. Prevents rot for much longer than concrete and can
# be taken out (but not that easily).
# Also shorter posts can be used and quicker to install.
#
#
http://www.buyfencingdirect.co.uk/fencing-accessories/post-spikes-and-post-bases/110mm-post-support-75cm

I used a couple of those to build a handrail next to concrete steps
10 years later, the handrail is still solid.

MICHELLE H. wrote:
I see that some people debate over whether fence posts should be
cemented into the ground or not. Some people say yes, you need cement
to keep the fence sturdy, other people say putting the posts 2 feet
down in soil or even crushed rock is perfectly fine.


Would it be okay to install 50 feet ( length ) of 4 to 5 foot high
chainlink fence, and NOT have the posts cemented in??


We have a small backyard, only about 50 feet wide between houses. We
have a small wooded area behind our house, and no backyard fence. Last
year we tried to have a vegetable garden, but either deer, or raccoons
or something ate all our vegetable plants!!! They loved eating the
tomato and pumpkin plants. They ate everything right down to the
stalk!!!!!

It will take a lot more than a 5 foot fence to keep deer or racoons out. My
father watched deer jump a fence much higher than than (8 feet?). ANd racoons
can climb just fine.

On Mon, 22 Apr 2013 09:57:35 -0700, "Bob F"
wrote:

It will take a lot more than a 5 foot fence to keep deer or racoons out. My
father watched deer jump a fence much higher than than (8 feet?). ANd racoons
can climb just fine.

I watched a 10-12 point deer jump a chain link fence 8-10' high.
Caught his legs, trips and rolled on the ground. Got up and made
tracks.

Smaller critters will likely go under a chain link fence; unless
secured with rebar.

On Apr 22, 10:17*am, Oren wrote:
On Mon, 22 Apr 2013 09:57:35 -0700, "Bob F"
wrote:

It will take a lot more than a 5 foot fence to keep deer or racoons out. My
father watched deer jump a fence much higher than than (8 feet?). ANd racoons
can climb just fine.

I watched a 10-12 *point deer jump a chain link fence 8-10' high.
Caught his legs, trips and rolled on the ground. Got up and made
tracks.

Smaller critters will likely go under a chain link fence; unless
secured with rebar.

I wonder about a 5' wooden fence though? I vaguely recall that a deer
or other animals won't jump a fench they can't see through.

Harry K

On Tue, 23 Apr 2013 09:06:50 -0700 (PDT), Harry K
wrote:

I wonder about a 5' wooden fence though? I vaguely recall that a deer
or other animals won't jump a fench they can't see through.

Harry K

Pic:

http://www.outdoorlife.com/files/imagecache/photo-gallery/photo/6/Deer_in_fence_0.jpg

On 4/23/2013 9:15 AM, Oren wrote:
On Tue, 23 Apr 2013 09:06:50 -0700 (PDT), Harry K
wrote:

I wonder about a 5' wooden fence though? I vaguely recall that a deer
or other animals won't jump a fench they can't see through.

Harry K

Pic:

http://www.outdoorlife.com/files/imagecache/photo-gallery/photo/6/Deer_in_fence_0.jpg


that one didn't get the memo

Harry K wrote:
On Apr 22, 10:17 am, Oren wrote:
On Mon, 22 Apr 2013 09:57:35 -0700, "Bob F"
wrote:

It will take a lot more than a 5 foot fence to keep deer or racoons
out. My father watched deer jump a fence much higher than than (8
feet?). ANd racoons can climb just fine.

I watched a 10-12 point deer jump a chain link fence 8-10' high.
Caught his legs, trips and rolled on the ground. Got up and made
tracks.

Smaller critters will likely go under a chain link fence; unless
secured with rebar.

I wonder about a 5' wooden fence though? I vaguely recall that a deer
or other animals won't jump a fench they can't see through.

You don't think a deer can look over a 5' fence?

On Apr 23, 5:24*pm, "Bob F" wrote:
Harry K wrote:
On Apr 22, 10:17 am, Oren wrote:
On Mon, 22 Apr 2013 09:57:35 -0700, "Bob F"
wrote:

It will take a lot more than a 5 foot fence to keep deer or racoons
out. My father watched deer jump a fence much higher than than (8
feet?). ANd racoons can climb just fine.

I watched a 10-12 point deer jump a chain link fence 8-10' high.
Caught his legs, trips and rolled on the ground. Got up and made
tracks.

Smaller critters will likely go under a chain link fence; unless
secured with rebar.

I wonder about a 5' wooden fence though? *I vaguely recall that a deer
or other animals won't jump a fench they can't see through.

You don't think a deer can look over a 5' fence?

Depends on the area. Some deer would have a problem looking over a 4'
one.

Harry K

"Bob F" writes:

R MICHELLE H. wrote:
I see that some people debate over whether fence posts should be
cemented into the ground or not. Some people say yes, you need cement
to keep the fence sturdy, other people say putting the posts 2 feet
down in soil or even crushed rock is perfectly fine.


Would it be okay to install 50 feet ( length ) of 4 to 5 foot high
chainlink fence, and NOT have the posts cemented in??


We have a small backyard, only about 50 feet wide between houses. We
have a small wooded area behind our house, and no backyard fence. Last
year we tried to have a vegetable garden, but either deer, or raccoons
or something ate all our vegetable plants!!! They loved eating the
tomato and pumpkin plants. They ate everything right down to the
stalk!!!!!

It will take a lot more than a 5 foot fence to keep deer or racoons out. My
father watched deer jump a fence much higher than than (8 feet?). ANd racoons
can climb just fine.

I believe deer can go even higher.
But my experience says they won't.

http://mysite.verizon.net/despen/fence/

I've had that 6 foot fence up since 2009 and so far, not one deer has
come in the yard.

However, deer can see right through chain link.
I think it's important for the view to be blocked.
Deer aren't likely to jump something when they can't see where they are
going to land.

I don't think 5 feet of chain link will work and I don't think
you'd be able to stretch the link onto the fence if you don't use
cement. You could try cementing only the end posts but if I was
doing chain link, I'd use cement on all the posts.

This last year, about 7 sections of my fence were destroyed by Sandy.
After the trees were removed, we had deer tracks in the yard the next
day. I just finished repairs so the deer will have to eat somewhere
else.

Oh, yeah, raccoons. Nothing short of land mines or electricity will
keep them out. I don't grow vegetables.

--
Dan Espen

On Apr 22, 1:52*pm, Dan Espen wrote:
"Bob F" writes:
R MICHELLE H. wrote:
I see that some people debate over whether fence posts should be
cemented into the ground or not. Some people say yes, you need cement
to keep the fence sturdy, other people say putting the posts 2 feet
down in soil or even crushed rock is perfectly fine.

Would it be okay to install 50 feet ( length ) of 4 to 5 foot high
chainlink fence, and NOT have the posts cemented in??

We have a small backyard, only about 50 feet wide between houses. We
have a small wooded area behind our house, and no backyard fence. Last
year we tried to have a vegetable garden, but either deer, or raccoons
or something ate all our vegetable plants!!! They loved eating the
tomato and pumpkin plants. They ate everything right down to the
stalk!!!!!

It will take a lot more than a 5 foot fence to keep deer or racoons out.. My
father watched deer jump a fence much higher than than (8 feet?). ANd racoons
can climb just fine.

I believe deer can go even higher.
But my experience says they won't.

http://mysite.verizon.net/despen/fence/

I've had that 6 foot fence up since 2009 and so far, not one deer has
come in the yard.

However, deer can see right through chain link.
I think it's important for the view to be blocked.
Deer aren't likely to jump something when they can't see where they are
going to land.

I don't think *5 feet of chain link will work and I don't think
you'd be able to stretch the link onto the fence if you don't use
cement. *You could try cementing only the end posts but if I was
doing chain link, I'd use cement on all the posts.

This last year, about 7 sections of my fence were destroyed by Sandy.
After the trees were removed, we had deer tracks in the yard the next
day. *I just finished repairs so the deer will have to eat somewhere
else.

Oh, yeah, raccoons. *Nothing short of land mines or electricity will
keep them out. *I don't grow vegetables.

--
Dan Espen

have a complete fence and get a dog, it will police the area and
discourage visitors.....

only the corner post of my 6 foot chain link fence were concreted in
over 15 years ago, no problems.

although the gate posts were also concreted in

Dan Espen wrote:
It will take a lot more than a 5 foot fence to keep deer or racoons
out. My father watched deer jump a fence much higher than than (8
feet?). ANd racoons can climb just fine.

I believe deer can go even higher.
But my experience says they won't.

For a veggy garden, they will. My dad told me he watched, when his fence was 8
feet tall probably, a deer standing still sideways to the fence jump over it in
one motion.

"Bob F" writes:

Dan Espen wrote:
It will take a lot more than a 5 foot fence to keep deer or racoons
out. My father watched deer jump a fence much higher than than (8
feet?). ANd racoons can climb just fine.

I believe deer can go even higher.
But my experience says they won't.

For a veggy garden, they will. My dad told me he watched, when his fence was 8
feet tall probably, a deer standing still sideways to the fence jump over it in
one motion.

Not surprised, but I thought Hosta were number one on their menu.
Yeah I suppose veggies might be even more attractive.

--
Dan Espen

On 4/22/2013 1:52 PM, Dan Espen wrote:
"Bob F" writes:

R MICHELLE H. wrote:
I see that some people debate over whether fence posts should be
cemented into the ground or not. Some people say yes, you need cement
to keep the fence sturdy, other people say putting the posts 2 feet
down in soil or even crushed rock is perfectly fine.


Would it be okay to install 50 feet ( length ) of 4 to 5 foot high
chainlink fence, and NOT have the posts cemented in??


We have a small backyard, only about 50 feet wide between houses. We
have a small wooded area behind our house, and no backyard fence. Last
year we tried to have a vegetable garden, but either deer, or raccoons
or something ate all our vegetable plants!!! They loved eating the
tomato and pumpkin plants. They ate everything right down to the
stalk!!!!!

It will take a lot more than a 5 foot fence to keep deer or racoons out. My
father watched deer jump a fence much higher than than (8 feet?). ANd racoons
can climb just fine.

I believe deer can go even higher.
But my experience says they won't.

http://mysite.verizon.net/despen/fence/

I've had that 6 foot fence up since 2009 and so far, not one deer has
come in the yard.

However, deer can see right through chain link.
I think it's important for the view to be blocked.
Deer aren't likely to jump something when they can't see where they are
going to land.

I don't think 5 feet of chain link will work and I don't think
you'd be able to stretch the link onto the fence if you don't use
cement. You could try cementing only the end posts but if I was
doing chain link, I'd use cement on all the posts.

This last year, about 7 sections of my fence were destroyed by Sandy.
After the trees were removed, we had deer tracks in the yard the next
day. I just finished repairs so the deer will have to eat somewhere
else.

Oh, yeah, raccoons. Nothing short of land mines or electricity will
keep them out. I don't grow vegetables.


I think an 8 ft fence will keep out any deer but smaller fences will
deter them too. Deer are browsers and will walk along, bump into a
fence and go other wheres. Netting will deter them and cheapest thing
would be wooden posts with netting. It is not necessary to block their
view. The whole garden should be enclosed or deer could just walk
around fenced sections.

Per Frank:

I think an 8 ft fence will keep out any deer but smaller fences will
deter them too. Deer are browsers and will walk along, bump into a
fence and go other wheres. Netting will deter them and cheapest thing
would be wooden posts with netting. It is not necessary to block their
view. The whole garden should be enclosed or deer could just walk
around fenced sections.

Has anybody tried an electric fence? Seems like the cheapest.
--
Pete Cresswell

On Mon, 22 Apr 2013 19:52:16 -0400, "(PeteCresswell)"
wrote:

Per Frank:

I think an 8 ft fence will keep out any deer but smaller fences will
deter them too. Deer are browsers and will walk along, bump into a
fence and go other wheres. Netting will deter them and cheapest thing
would be wooden posts with netting. It is not necessary to block their
view. The whole garden should be enclosed or deer could just walk
around fenced sections.

Has anybody tried an electric fence? Seems like the cheapest.
Back on the farm they (the deer) cleared the electric fences if they
found them in daylight. They were effective if they found them at
night. Might work if you kept them turned off during daylight hours
to maximize the chance of them finding them live by feel. They
usually don't try the second time if they are anything like horses.

On Mon, 22 Apr 2013 15:20:03 -0400, Frank
wrote:

On 4/22/2013 1:52 PM, Dan Espen wrote:
"Bob F" writes:

R MICHELLE H. wrote:
I see that some people debate over whether fence posts should be
cemented into the ground or not. Some people say yes, you need cement
to keep the fence sturdy, other people say putting the posts 2 feet
down in soil or even crushed rock is perfectly fine.


Would it be okay to install 50 feet ( length ) of 4 to 5 foot high
chainlink fence, and NOT have the posts cemented in??


We have a small backyard, only about 50 feet wide between houses. We
have a small wooded area behind our house, and no backyard fence. Last
year we tried to have a vegetable garden, but either deer, or raccoons
or something ate all our vegetable plants!!! They loved eating the
tomato and pumpkin plants. They ate everything right down to the
stalk!!!!!

It will take a lot more than a 5 foot fence to keep deer or racoons out. My
father watched deer jump a fence much higher than than (8 feet?). ANd racoons
can climb just fine.

I believe deer can go even higher.
But my experience says they won't.

http://mysite.verizon.net/despen/fence/

I've had that 6 foot fence up since 2009 and so far, not one deer has
come in the yard.

However, deer can see right through chain link.
I think it's important for the view to be blocked.
Deer aren't likely to jump something when they can't see where they are
going to land.

I don't think 5 feet of chain link will work and I don't think
you'd be able to stretch the link onto the fence if you don't use
cement. You could try cementing only the end posts but if I was
doing chain link, I'd use cement on all the posts.

This last year, about 7 sections of my fence were destroyed by Sandy.
After the trees were removed, we had deer tracks in the yard the next
day. I just finished repairs so the deer will have to eat somewhere
else.

Oh, yeah, raccoons. Nothing short of land mines or electricity will
keep them out. I don't grow vegetables.


I think an 8 ft fence will keep out any deer but smaller fences will
deter them too. Deer are browsers and will walk along, bump into a
fence and go other wheres. Netting will deter them and cheapest thing
would be wooden posts with netting. It is not necessary to block their
view. The whole garden should be enclosed or deer could just walk
around fenced sections.
Tell the urban deer here in Kitchener that. a six foot fence is an
invitation. An 8 foot fence a challenge. An 8 foot board fence they
cannot see through is quite effective, but not foolprof. Every year
you get a couple jumping blind into swimming pools.

wrote:
On Mon, 22 Apr 2013 15:20:03 -0400, Frank
wrote:

On 4/22/2013 1:52 PM, Dan Espen wrote:
"Bob F" writes:

MICHELLE H. wrote:
I see that some people debate over whether fence posts should be
cemented into the ground or not. Some people say yes, you need
cement to keep the fence sturdy, other people say putting the
posts 2 feet down in soil or even crushed rock is perfectly fine.


Would it be okay to install 50 feet ( length ) of 4 to 5 foot high
chainlink fence, and NOT have the posts cemented in??


We have a small backyard, only about 50 feet wide between houses.
We have a small wooded area behind our house, and no backyard
fence. Last year we tried to have a vegetable garden, but either
deer, or raccoons or something ate all our vegetable plants!!!
They loved eating the tomato and pumpkin plants. They ate
everything right down to the stalk!!!!!

It will take a lot more than a 5 foot fence to keep deer or
racoons out. My father watched deer jump a fence much higher than
than (8 feet?). ANd racoons can climb just fine.

I believe deer can go even higher.
But my experience says they won't.

http://mysite.verizon.net/despen/fence/

I've had that 6 foot fence up since 2009 and so far, not one deer
has come in the yard.

However, deer can see right through chain link.
I think it's important for the view to be blocked.
Deer aren't likely to jump something when they can't see where they
are going to land.

I don't think 5 feet of chain link will work and I don't think
you'd be able to stretch the link onto the fence if you don't use
cement. You could try cementing only the end posts but if I was
doing chain link, I'd use cement on all the posts.

This last year, about 7 sections of my fence were destroyed by
Sandy. After the trees were removed, we had deer tracks in the yard
the next day. I just finished repairs so the deer will have to eat
somewhere else.

Oh, yeah, raccoons. Nothing short of land mines or electricity will
keep them out. I don't grow vegetables.


I think an 8 ft fence will keep out any deer but smaller fences will
deter them too. Deer are browsers and will walk along, bump into a
fence and go other wheres. Netting will deter them and cheapest
thing would be wooden posts with netting. It is not necessary to
block their view. The whole garden should be enclosed or deer could
just walk around fenced sections.
Tell the urban deer here in Kitchener that. a six foot fence is an
invitation. An 8 foot fence a challenge. An 8 foot board fence they
cannot see through is quite effective, but not foolprof. Every year
you get a couple jumping blind into swimming pools.

My fathers veggie garden fence is about 10' high. 8' didn't do the job.

"Dan Espen" wrote in message ...

"Bob F" writes:

R MICHELLE H. wrote:
I see that some people debate over whether fence posts should be
cemented into the ground or not. Some people say yes, you need cement
to keep the fence sturdy, other people say putting the posts 2 feet
down in soil or even crushed rock is perfectly fine.


Would it be okay to install 50 feet ( length ) of 4 to 5 foot high
chainlink fence, and NOT have the posts cemented in??


We have a small backyard, only about 50 feet wide between houses. We
have a small wooded area behind our house, and no backyard fence. Last
year we tried to have a vegetable garden, but either deer, or raccoons
or something ate all our vegetable plants!!! They loved eating the
tomato and pumpkin plants. They ate everything right down to the
stalk!!!!!

It will take a lot more than a 5 foot fence to keep deer or racoons out.
My
father watched deer jump a fence much higher than than (8 feet?). ANd
racoons
can climb just fine.

I believe deer can go even higher.
But my experience says they won't.

http://mysite.verizon.net/despen/fence/

I've had that 6 foot fence up since 2009 and so far, not one deer has
come in the yard.

However, deer can see right through chain link.
I think it's important for the view to be blocked.
Deer aren't likely to jump something when they can't see where they are
going to land.

I don't think 5 feet of chain link will work and I don't think
you'd be able to stretch the link onto the fence if you don't use
cement. You could try cementing only the end posts but if I was
doing chain link, I'd use cement on all the posts.

This last year, about 7 sections of my fence were destroyed by Sandy.
After the trees were removed, we had deer tracks in the yard the next
day. I just finished repairs so the deer will have to eat somewhere
else.

Oh, yeah, raccoons. Nothing short of land mines or electricity will
keep them out. I don't grow vegetables.

--
Dan Espen

Dan..We had a raccoon problem here cleaning out the bird feeders. I solved
it. Metal plate under a wood frame. metal dish in top of frame. Put food in
the dish. Connected a fence charger to dish and ground wire to metal plate.
Next morning a large pee puddle was there but have not seen a raccoon since.
WW

On Apr 22, 11:57 am, "Bob F" wrote:
MICHELLE H. wrote:

It will take a lot more than a 5 foot fence to keep deer or racoons out. My
father watched deer jump a fence much higher than than (8 feet?). ANd racoons
can climb just fine.

A 4 foot fence is perfectly adequate if it has a dog on the inside
of it. Especially a terrier or a shepherd..... It is sufficient to
keep out deer, raccoons, and Mexicans....

On Mon, 22 Apr 2013 17:20:39 -0700 (PDT), Robert
wrote:

On Apr 22, 11:57 am, "Bob F" wrote:
MICHELLE H. wrote:

It will take a lot more than a 5 foot fence to keep deer or racoons out. My
father watched deer jump a fence much higher than than (8 feet?). ANd racoons
can climb just fine.

A 4 foot fence is perfectly adequate if it has a dog on the inside
of it. Especially a terrier or a shepherd..... It is sufficient to
keep out deer, raccoons, and Mexicans....
Unarmed mexicans, perhaps.

On Apr 22, 8:20*pm, Robert wrote:
On Apr 22, 11:57 am, "Bob F" wrote:

MICHELLE H. wrote:
It will take a lot more than a 5 foot fence to keep deer or racoons out.. My
father watched deer jump a fence much higher than than (8 feet?). ANd racoons
can climb just fine.

A 4 foot fence is perfectly adequate if it has a dog on the inside
of it. * Especially a terrier or a shepherd..... *It is sufficient to
keep out deer, raccoons, and Mexicans....

My minature poodle had no problem getting over a 4 foot high fence

Puddle would run along the fence and LEAP over it.....

This led to many police visits and neighbor issues.

Finally solved with a 6 foot chainlink fence. That cost thousands.

We also tried a electric fence, she found that easy to defeat

She died several years ago at near 15 years old, and I still miss her.
Her ashes are here to to buried with me when I die......

On 4/22/2013 8:20 PM, Robert wrote:
On Apr 22, 11:57 am, "Bob F" wrote:
MICHELLE H. wrote:

It will take a lot more than a 5 foot fence to keep deer or racoons out. My
father watched deer jump a fence much higher than than (8 feet?). ANd racoons
can climb just fine.

A 4 foot fence is perfectly adequate if it has a dog on the inside
of it. Especially a terrier or a shepherd..... It is sufficient to
keep out deer, raccoons, and Mexicans....


I had a chuckle one day watching a Mexican soccer player zoom over an 8
ft chain link fence to retrieve a ball. It was like the fence was not
even there. I figured practice makes perfect.

As for protecting from deer, a lot depends on the time of the year.
During the growing season the whole world is just one big salad bar for
deer. A vegetable garden has no big attraction for them. If not easy to
access, bumping into a small fence or electrified fence will tend to
keep them away. Certain foods they really like such as acorns,
chestnuts and apples. They expend more effort to get them. In the dead
of the winter they even eat the ivy along side my house but let it grow
freely in summer. When they are eating your evergreens in the winter
they are starving.

On Tue, 23 Apr 2013 13:48:24 -0400, Frank
wrote:

On 4/22/2013 8:20 PM, Robert wrote:
On Apr 22, 11:57 am, "Bob F" wrote:
MICHELLE H. wrote:

It will take a lot more than a 5 foot fence to keep deer or racoons out. My
father watched deer jump a fence much higher than than (8 feet?). ANd racoons
can climb just fine.

A 4 foot fence is perfectly adequate if it has a dog on the inside
of it. Especially a terrier or a shepherd..... It is sufficient to
keep out deer, raccoons, and Mexicans....


I had a chuckle one day watching a Mexican soccer player zoom over an 8
ft chain link fence to retrieve a ball. It was like the fence was not
even there. I figured practice makes perfect.

As for protecting from deer, a lot depends on the time of the year.
During the growing season the whole world is just one big salad bar for
deer. A vegetable garden has no big attraction for them. If not easy to
access, bumping into a small fence or electrified fence will tend to
keep them away. Certain foods they really like such as acorns,
chestnuts and apples. They expend more effort to get them. In the dead
of the winter they even eat the ivy along side my house but let it grow
freely in summer. When they are eating your evergreens in the winter
they are starving.

Deer get hammered eating fermented apples - "drunk as a coot".

On Tue, 23 Apr 2013 11:18:34 -0700, Oren wrote:

On Tue, 23 Apr 2013 13:48:24 -0400, Frank
wrote:

On 4/22/2013 8:20 PM, Robert wrote:
On Apr 22, 11:57 am, "Bob F" wrote:
MICHELLE H. wrote:

It will take a lot more than a 5 foot fence to keep deer or racoons out. My
father watched deer jump a fence much higher than than (8 feet?). ANd racoons
can climb just fine.

A 4 foot fence is perfectly adequate if it has a dog on the inside
of it. Especially a terrier or a shepherd..... It is sufficient to
keep out deer, raccoons, and Mexicans....


I had a chuckle one day watching a Mexican soccer player zoom over an 8
ft chain link fence to retrieve a ball. It was like the fence was not
even there. I figured practice makes perfect.

As for protecting from deer, a lot depends on the time of the year.
During the growing season the whole world is just one big salad bar for
deer. A vegetable garden has no big attraction for them. If not easy to
access, bumping into a small fence or electrified fence will tend to
keep them away. Certain foods they really like such as acorns,
chestnuts and apples. They expend more effort to get them. In the dead
of the winter they even eat the ivy along side my house but let it grow
freely in summer. When they are eating your evergreens in the winter
they are starving.

Deer get hammered eating fermented apples - "drunk as a coot".

We had an ornamental cherry in the front yard of our VT house. Every
spring a flock of Cedar Waxwings would come by and sample the fruit,
get drunk, and play Kamikaze into the windows.

Per Robert:
A 4 foot fence is perfectly adequate if it has a dog on the inside
of it.

This brings to mind something I've been obsessing about on-and-off for a
couple of years: "YardBa"....

Everybody's heard of "RoomBa", right? i.e. the robotic vacuum cleaners
that can clean a room unattended.

I'm thinking there's a market for something that would live at a
charging station in the yard, sense body heat or movement or
something... and spontaneously navigate towards it. Once contact was
made, it would just keep on bumping up against whatever it was if it
didn't move or keep following it if it did move - constrained by
something like those invisible fences they use with dogs/collars.

Personally, I'd shell out a few hundred bucks for such a device... maybe
more...
--
Pete Cresswell

I see that some people debate over whether fence posts should be
cemented into the ground or not. Some people say yes, you need cement
to keep the fence sturdy, other people say putting the posts 2 feet
down in soil or even crushed rock is perfectly fine.

I would use concrete around corner posts and gate posts, and just soil
around posts in the middle of a run. Put gravel in the bottom of the hole
for drainage, and stop the concrete a few inches below ground level. Try to
taper the top of the concrete so water will run away from the post.

It will take a lot more than a 5 foot fence to keep deer or
racoons out. My father watched deer jump a fence much higher
than that (8 feet?). ANd racoons can climb just fine.

We have an ongoing love/hate relationship with deer. We really enjoy having
them visit and watching the babies grow up. We don't like that they eat
everything we stick in the ground. I try new "deer resistant" plants every
year to see what works best, and so far they have chomped down every single
"deer proof" plant except for Hellebores. They haven't so much as sniffed
at those.

Anyway, deer usually won't jump into a confined area if they don't think
they can get back out. I have heard that two 4' high fences spaced about
5' apart works better than a single 8' high fence.

I've never used anything more than a single 4' high fence around our
vegetable gardens. Our current garden is a small 8x8 raised garden, so
they're not likely to jump in there, especially with the different levels
inside. Even when we had a large 30x30 garden they never jumped in to eat
anything. The only time they jumped in was when they were on the run from a
dog or something, but they were in and out and didn't eat anything.
There's enough easier pickings around our yard for them to bother going
into the garden.

Our raccoons have never expressed an interest in our garden, but we do have
to keep the rabbits out.

Anthony Watson
www.mountain-software.com/about.htm

HerHusband wrote:
better than a single 8' high fence.

I've never used anything more than a single 4' high fence around our
vegetable gardens. Our current garden is a small 8x8 raised garden, so
they're not likely to jump in there, especially with the different
levels inside. Even when we had a large 30x30 garden they never
jumped in to eat anything. The only time they jumped in was when they
were on the run from a dog or something, but they were in and out and
didn't eat anything. There's enough easier pickings around our yard
for them to bother going into the garden.

You have very polite deer.


Our raccoons have never expressed an interest in our garden, but we
do have to keep the rabbits out.

I finally gave up on corn because of the racoons.

I've never used anything more than a single 4' high fence around our
vegetable gardens. Our current garden is a small 8x8 raised garden, so
they're not likely to jump in there, especially with the different
levels inside. Even when we had a large 30x30 garden they never
jumped in to eat anything. The only time they jumped in was when they
were on the run from a dog or something, but they were in and out and
didn't eat anything. There's enough easier pickings around our yard
for them to bother going into the garden.

You have very polite deer.

It's really more about opportunity. The deer could easily jump into the
garden if they really wanted in. But we live in a rural area with plenty of
other options for them to munch on without having to jump a fence.

Sometimes they just have to develop a taste for a new plant. I planted
several Golden Euonymus hedge plants. The deer walked around them for more
than a year without so much as a nibble. Thinking I found a plant the deer
would leave alone, I planted several more. Another year went by without an
incident. Then on year three they tasted one, and proceded to chew off
every leaf on every single plant. Since then they have eaten the leaves on
every single plant as soon as they appear.

I finally gave up on corn because of the racoons.

Put food out for your cat. They'll leave the corn alone.

Mom and her babies used to come up on our porch to feast on the cat food
that was left in the bowl. Our cat died a few years ago so the raccoons
moved on to better pickings.

Anthony Watson
www.mountain-software.com/about.htm

On 4/24/2013 9:00 AM, HerHusband wrote:
I've never used anything more than a single 4' high fence around our
vegetable gardens. Our current garden is a small 8x8 raised garden, so
they're not likely to jump in there, especially with the different
levels inside. Even when we had a large 30x30 garden they never
jumped in to eat anything. The only time they jumped in was when they
were on the run from a dog or something, but they were in and out and
didn't eat anything. There's enough easier pickings around our yard
for them to bother going into the garden.

You have very polite deer.

It's really more about opportunity. The deer could easily jump into the
garden if they really wanted in. But we live in a rural area with plenty of
other options for them to munch on without having to jump a fence.

Indeed...one garden patch here has only one row of 2-ft corrugated tin
on edge and the deer don't even bother to hop over it...

Sometimes they just have to develop a taste for a new plant. I planted
several Golden Euonymus hedge plants. The deer walked around them for more
than a year without so much as a nibble. Thinking I found a plant the deer
would leave alone, I planted several more. Another year went by without an
incident. Then on year three they tasted one, and proceded to chew off
every leaf on every single plant. Since then they have eaten the leaves on
every single plant as soon as they appear.

They love daylily and moonflower blooms...

I finally gave up on corn because of the racoons.

Put food out for your cat. They'll leave the corn alone.
....

That only serves as an appetizer if there's corn they can get to ime w/
'coons...

The best help I can do here to protect yard/garden areas is to keep
waterers in the corrals on which is away from the house. It's access to
water that is the magnet at least here in SW KS where it is at a premium...

--

HerHusband wrote:
I finally gave up on corn because of the racoons.

Put food out for your cat. They'll leave the corn alone.

Mom and her babies used to come up on our porch to feast on the cat
food that was left in the bowl. Our cat died a few years ago so the
raccoons moved on to better pickings.


An animal rescue guy here in Seattle once told me that 50% of the racoons here
had distemper. I'm not sure attacking them to your cats food is a good idea.

On Mon, 22 Apr 2013 12:19:00 -0400, (MICHELLE H.)
wrote:

So would it really be that bad to install 50 feet of chainlink fence and
NOT cement the posts in the ground, and maybe just pack them down with
dirt, 2 feet deep??

What type of soil do you have where the fence will go? The chain link
fence poles can be hammered in with a fence pole hammer (exercise) if
soft soil.

http://i01.i.aliimg.com/img/pb/062/581/311/311581062_424.jpg

That would be the cheap way. Careful to keep the pipe plumb, fence
line straight. May be able to rent one.

Gravel is used for drainage as water will seep further in the ground.
Cement is used for a more stable construction (prisons). Mounded above
the soil and water drains away from the pipe.

....or put a fence around the garden

Yeah, my neighbor has a garden, and he has a 6 foot high wooden stockade
fence on his back property line. Last year he saw 4 deer sticking their
necks OVER his 6 foot high fence, because they were eating all his Green
Beans from his bean stalks!!!! They can stretch their necks out very far
as well!!! And, yes I know they can jump over fences at least 8 feet
high!!! I had some really nice tomato plants, lettuce, and pumpkins
growing last year. In 1 night the damn deer ater it all and killed the
plants!!!!!!


Anyway, the soil is somewhat of a sandy/loam mix. Some nice loam on the
top as topsoil, probably a few inches, with sandy soil underneath. My
neighbor told me to just put up one of those cheap 4 foot high Green
plastic fences, or some chicken wire fencing, but I was thinking that
chainlink would be a little more sturdy!?


Only want it temporary, as I will most likely get a 6 foot high wooden
or PVC fence later on when I get the extra money. Yes, I heard that you
can pound the posts in, but you have to be careful not to ruin the top,
or you won't be able to get the "post caps" on!?

On Mon, 22 Apr 2013 13:41:13 -0400, (MICHELLE H.)
wrote:

Only want it temporary, as I will most likely get a 6 foot high wooden
or PVC fence later on when I get the extra money. Yes, I heard that you
can pound the posts in, but you have to be careful not to ruin the top,
or you won't be able to get the "post caps" on!?

I would not put top caps on the pipes for a "temporary" fence (cost).
If the pipe _is_ damaged - it can be cut off if he pipe is long
enough.

"MICHELLE H." wrote in message
...
Yeah, my neighbor has a garden, and he has a 6 foot high wooden stockade
fence on his back property line. Last year he saw 4 deer sticking their
necks OVER his 6 foot high fence, because they were eating all his Green
Beans from his bean stalks!!!! They can stretch their necks out very far
as well!!! And, yes I know they can jump over fences at least 8 feet
high!!! I had some really nice tomato plants, lettuce, and pumpkins
growing last year. In 1 night the damn deer ater it all and killed the
plants!!!!!!


Anyway, the soil is somewhat of a sandy/loam mix. Some nice loam on the
top as topsoil, probably a few inches, with sandy soil underneath. My
neighbor told me to just put up one of those cheap 4 foot high Green
plastic fences, or some chicken wire fencing, but I was thinking that
chainlink would be a little more sturdy!?


Only want it temporary, as I will most likely get a 6 foot high wooden
or PVC fence later on when I get the extra money. Yes, I heard that you
can pound the posts in, but you have to be careful not to ruin the top,
or you won't be able to get the "post caps" on!?




Use a "sacrifice" post cap for the pounding process.

On Mon, 22 Apr 2013 13:41:13 -0400, (MICHELLE H.)
wrote:

Yeah, my neighbor has a garden, and he has a 6 foot high wooden stockade
fence on his back property line. Last year he saw 4 deer sticking their
necks OVER his 6 foot high fence, because they were eating all his Green
Beans from his bean stalks!!!! They can stretch their necks out very far
as well!!! And, yes I know they can jump over fences at least 8 feet
high!!! I had some really nice tomato plants, lettuce, and pumpkins
growing last year. In 1 night the damn deer ater it all and killed the
plants!!!!!!


Anyway, the soil is somewhat of a sandy/loam mix. Some nice loam on the
top as topsoil, probably a few inches, with sandy soil underneath. My
neighbor told me to just put up one of those cheap 4 foot high Green
plastic fences, or some chicken wire fencing, but I was thinking that
chainlink would be a little more sturdy!?


Only want it temporary, as I will most likely get a 6 foot high wooden
or PVC fence later on when I get the extra money. Yes, I heard that you
can pound the posts in, but you have to be careful not to ruin the top,
or you won't be able to get the "post caps" on!?

You can buy T-posts from a farm supply. They pound in and will work for
plastic fencing. If you want chain link, that is not what I'd consider
a temporary fence, and they are usually cememted in. If you want
temporary, buy T-posts, pound them in with a driver made for that use,
or a sledge hammer. Wire or use xip straps to attach the plastic fence
to the posts.