On Mon, 22 Apr 2013 12:19:00 -0400, (MICHELLE H.)
wrote:

I see that some people debate over whether fence posts should be
cemented into the ground or not. Some people say yes, you need cement to
keep the fence sturdy, other people say putting the posts 2 feet down in
soil or even crushed rock is perfectly fine.

It depends on the soil and the type of fence post. If you have sandy
soil, you'll probably need concrete around any fence post. In *any*
soil, you're going to need it around chain link posts. They're too
thin to hold without a slug of concrete. 4x4s in clay soil are
perfectly fine.

Would it be okay to install 50 feet ( length ) of 4 to 5 foot high
chainlink fence, and NOT have the posts cemented in??

Not IMO.

We have a small backyard, only about 50 feet wide between houses. We
have a small wooded area behind our house, and no backyard fence. Last
year we tried to have a vegetable garden, but either deer, or raccoons
or something ate all our vegetable plants!!! They loved eating the
tomato and pumpkin plants. They ate everything right down to the
stalk!!!!!


The local fence company wants $1,000 bucks to install a 6 foot high
Cedar stockade fence along the 50 feet of property line. They want $700
for 50 feet of spruce. "Pressure treated posts", and the fence will be
"nailed on". We don't have the extra money right now, so thinking of
just putting up a chainlink fence with the metal chainlink fence posts.
We would like to get either a wooden or PVC 6 foot high stockade fence
in the future, so would like the chainlink to just be temporary, so that
we can TRY to have a vegetable garden this year, and so we don't want to
have to dig up heavy cemented posts in the future, when it's time to
take the chainlink fence down.

A temporary chain link fence makes for some pretty expensive veggies.

So would it really be that bad to install 50 feet of chainlink fence and
NOT cement the posts in the ground, and maybe just pack them down with
dirt, 2 feet deep??

I certainly wouldn't.

On 4/22/2013 12:19 PM, MICHELLE H. wrote:
I see that some people debate over whether fence posts should be
cemented into the ground or not. Some people say yes, you need cement
to keep the fence sturdy, other people say putting the posts 2 feet
down in soil or even crushed rock is perfectly fine.


Would it be okay to install 50 feet ( length ) of 4 to 5 foot high
chainlink fence, and NOT have the posts cemented in??


We have a small backyard, only about 50 feet wide between houses. We
have a small wooded area behind our house, and no backyard fence.
Last year we tried to have a vegetable garden, but either deer, or
raccoons or something ate all our vegetable plants!!! They loved
eating the tomato and pumpkin plants. They ate everything right down
to the stalk!!!!!


The local fence company wants $1,000 bucks to install a 6 foot high
Cedar stockade fence along the 50 feet of property line. They want
$700 for 50 feet of spruce. "Pressure treated posts", and the fence
will be "nailed on". We don't have the extra money right now, so
thinking of just putting up a chainlink fence with the metal
chainlink fence posts. We would like to get either a wooden or PVC 6
foot high stockade fence in the future, so would like the chainlink
to just be temporary, so that we can TRY to have a vegetable garden
this year, and so we don't want to have to dig up heavy cemented
posts in the future, when it's time to take the chainlink fence
down.


So would it really be that bad to install 50 feet of chainlink fence
and NOT cement the posts in the ground, and maybe just pack them down
with dirt, 2 feet deep??


Thanks.


You'll be wasting your money if your intent is to keep out veggie
chomping critters. Our area is infested with deer, racoons, rabbits,
etc. Our 6' chain link fence keeps out none of the above. The small
animals burrow under the fence and the deer jump it as if it were not
there. Our neighbors have been successful by surrounding the perimeter
of their veggie plot with vertical metal strips that are sunk down about
12" and protrude above ground level about 8". Inside the plot they've
put up some tent poles and attached strong, nylon netting and fastened
the margins of the netting securely to the metal strips. The holes in
the netting are large enough to allow bees in to pollinate the veggie
flowers but are small enough to keep out birds and 4 legged critters.
They built the tent with a flap that ties securely with nylon twine.
Seems to do the job.

On Mon, 22 Apr 2013 13:37:27 -0400, Peter wrote:

On 4/22/2013 12:19 PM, MICHELLE H. wrote:
I see that some people debate over whether fence posts should be
cemented into the ground or not. Some people say yes, you need cement
to keep the fence sturdy, other people say putting the posts 2 feet
down in soil or even crushed rock is perfectly fine.


Would it be okay to install 50 feet ( length ) of 4 to 5 foot high
chainlink fence, and NOT have the posts cemented in??


We have a small backyard, only about 50 feet wide between houses. We
have a small wooded area behind our house, and no backyard fence.
Last year we tried to have a vegetable garden, but either deer, or
raccoons or something ate all our vegetable plants!!! They loved
eating the tomato and pumpkin plants. They ate everything right down
to the stalk!!!!!


The local fence company wants $1,000 bucks to install a 6 foot high
Cedar stockade fence along the 50 feet of property line. They want
$700 for 50 feet of spruce. "Pressure treated posts", and the fence
will be "nailed on". We don't have the extra money right now, so
thinking of just putting up a chainlink fence with the metal
chainlink fence posts. We would like to get either a wooden or PVC 6
foot high stockade fence in the future, so would like the chainlink
to just be temporary, so that we can TRY to have a vegetable garden
this year, and so we don't want to have to dig up heavy cemented
posts in the future, when it's time to take the chainlink fence
down.


So would it really be that bad to install 50 feet of chainlink fence
and NOT cement the posts in the ground, and maybe just pack them down
with dirt, 2 feet deep??


Thanks.


You'll be wasting your money if your intent is to keep out veggie
chomping critters. Our area is infested with deer, racoons, rabbits,
etc. Our 6' chain link fence keeps out none of the above. The small
animals burrow under the fence and the deer jump it as if it were not
there. Our neighbors have been successful by surrounding the perimeter
of their veggie plot with vertical metal strips that are sunk down about
12" and protrude above ground level about 8". Inside the plot they've
put up some tent poles and attached strong, nylon netting and fastened
the margins of the netting securely to the metal strips. The holes in
the netting are large enough to allow bees in to pollinate the veggie
flowers but are small enough to keep out birds and 4 legged critters.
They built the tent with a flap that ties securely with nylon twine.
Seems to do the job.
Fence won't stop deer or coons - digging the chain k,link in a
minimum of 8 inches stops MOST diggers - and nothing stops the "tree
rats" - short of a well aimed .22

On Mon, 22 Apr 2013 12:19:00 -0400, (MICHELLE H.)
wrote:

I see that some people debate over whether fence posts should be
cemented into the ground or not. Some people say yes, you need cement to
keep the fence sturdy, other people say putting the posts 2 feet down in
soil or even crushed rock is perfectly fine.


Would it be okay to install 50 feet ( length ) of 4 to 5 foot high
chainlink fence, and NOT have the posts cemented in??


We have a small backyard, only about 50 feet wide between houses. We
have a small wooded area behind our house, and no backyard fence. Last
year we tried to have a vegetable garden, but either deer, or raccoons
or something ate all our vegetable plants!!! They loved eating the
tomato and pumpkin plants. They ate everything right down to the
stalk!!!!!


The local fence company wants $1,000 bucks to install a 6 foot high
Cedar stockade fence along the 50 feet of property line. They want $700
for 50 feet of spruce. "Pressure treated posts", and the fence will be
"nailed on". We don't have the extra money right now, so thinking of
just putting up a chainlink fence with the metal chainlink fence posts.
We would like to get either a wooden or PVC 6 foot high stockade fence
in the future, so would like the chainlink to just be temporary, so that
we can TRY to have a vegetable garden this year, and so we don't want to
have to dig up heavy cemented posts in the future, when it's time to
take the chainlink fence down.


So would it really be that bad to install 50 feet of chainlink fence and
NOT cement the posts in the ground, and maybe just pack them down with
dirt, 2 feet deep??


Thanks.
Steel posts less than 4" diameter will move all over the place
without cementing them in.. Around here you go at least 3 feet down
and cement 2 1/2 inch posts in a minimum 6" hole, otherwize the fence
will start to lean within 2 years.

Yeah, those raccoons are nasty as well!!! And they aren't all
lovey-dovey, and cute like you see on TV or in the movies!!! The ones
that come up into my backyard are HUGE!!! Last year there was about 8 of
them, and they look to weigh about 40 pounds each with long 4 inch razor
sharp nails. And if there are little ones, watch out, because the momma
raccoon won't back down, and she will charge at you!!!!!

(MICHELLE H.) writes:

Yeah, those raccoons are nasty as well!!! And they aren't all
lovey-dovey, and cute like you see on TV or in the movies!!! The ones
that come up into my backyard are HUGE!!! Last year there was about 8 of
them, and they look to weigh about 40 pounds each with long 4 inch razor
sharp nails. And if there are little ones, watch out, because the momma
raccoon won't back down, and she will charge at you!!!!!

I tried to chase some off my pool deck one night.
I'd push them over the side of the deck with the pool net
and they'd climb right back up.

They made short work of the pool toys and floats.
No idea why they felt compelled to eat the water pistols.
Now I take the pool stuff inside at night.

--
Dan Espen

"MICHELLE H." wrote in message
...
Yeah, those raccoons are nasty as well!!! And they aren't all
lovey-dovey, and cute like you see on TV or in the movies!!! The ones
that come up into my backyard are HUGE!!! Last year there was about 8 of
them, and they look to weigh about 40 pounds each with long 4 inch razor
sharp nails. And if there are little ones, watch out, because the momma
raccoon won't back down, and she will charge at you!!!!!




You sit up a few times with a slingshot and use them for target practice,
and they'll stop coming around.

On 4/22/2013 9:19 AM, MICHELLE H. wrote:
I see that some people debate over whether fence posts should be
cemented into the ground or not. Some people say yes, you need cement to
keep the fence sturdy, other people say putting the posts 2 feet down in
soil or even crushed rock is perfectly fine.


Would it be okay to install 50 feet ( length ) of 4 to 5 foot high
chainlink fence, and NOT have the posts cemented in??


We have a small backyard, only about 50 feet wide between houses. We
have a small wooded area behind our house, and no backyard fence. Last
year we tried to have a vegetable garden, but either deer, or raccoons
or something ate all our vegetable plants!!! They loved eating the
tomato and pumpkin plants. They ate everything right down to the
stalk!!!!!


The local fence company wants $1,000 bucks to install a 6 foot high
Cedar stockade fence along the 50 feet of property line. They want $700
for 50 feet of spruce. "Pressure treated posts", and the fence will be
"nailed on". We don't have the extra money right now, so thinking of
just putting up a chainlink fence with the metal chainlink fence posts.
We would like to get either a wooden or PVC 6 foot high stockade fence
in the future, so would like the chainlink to just be temporary, so that
we can TRY to have a vegetable garden this year, and so we don't want to
have to dig up heavy cemented posts in the future, when it's time to
take the chainlink fence down.


So would it really be that bad to install 50 feet of chainlink fence and
NOT cement the posts in the ground, and maybe just pack them down with
dirt, 2 feet deep??


Thanks.

If you are ok with using an electric fence, I can tell you how I made
mine. Found article on the web, but lost the link. Before I put up the
fence, we had 28 deer lounging in our lawn. Now, none for the last 5
years. We protect about an acre around the house and garden, etc.

The fence is cheap and easy to put up and maintain.

Paul in Central Oregon

Per Paul Drahn:
If you are ok with using an electric fence, I can tell you how I made
mine. Found article on the web, but lost the link. Before I put up the
fence, we had 28 deer lounging in our lawn. Now, none for the last 5
years. We protect about an acre around the house and garden, etc.

Are you in a suburban or rural area?

You have me thinking about doing this - but I'm in Suburbia and wonder
about unintended consequences.

Seems like putting it on a timer that turns it off during daylight hours
would pretty much defuse the kid issue.
--
Pete Cresswell

MICHELLE H. wrote:
I see that some people debate over whether fence posts should be
cemented into the ground or not. Some people say yes, you need cement
to keep the fence sturdy, other people say putting the posts 2 feet
down in soil or even crushed rock is perfectly fine.


Would it be okay to install 50 feet ( length ) of 4 to 5 foot high
chainlink fence, and NOT have the posts cemented in??

I'm not a fence type person but my next neighbor to the east has a 1200'
fence along our mutual property line; wood posts and barbed wire. Been
there for 17 years.

--

dadiOH
____________________________

Winters getting colder? Tired of the rat race?
Taxes out of hand? Maybe just ready for a change?
Check it out... http://www.floridaloghouse.net

dadiOH wrote:
MICHELLE H. wrote:
I see that some people debate over whether fence posts should be
cemented into the ground or not. Some people say yes, you need cement
to keep the fence sturdy, other people say putting the posts 2 feet
down in soil or even crushed rock is perfectly fine.


Would it be okay to install 50 feet ( length ) of 4 to 5 foot high
chainlink fence, and NOT have the posts cemented in??

I'm not a fence type person but my next neighbor to the east has a
1200' fence along our mutual property line; wood posts and barbed
wire. Been there for 17 years.

Meant to say, there is no concrete, just PT posts in the ground by about
24".

--

dadiOH
____________________________

Winters getting colder? Tired of the rat race?
Taxes out of hand? Maybe just ready for a change?
Check it out... http://www.floridaloghouse.net

On Mon, 22 Apr 2013 19:36:23 -0400, "dadiOH"
wrote:

dadiOH wrote:
MICHELLE H. wrote:
I see that some people debate over whether fence posts should be
cemented into the ground or not. Some people say yes, you need cement
to keep the fence sturdy, other people say putting the posts 2 feet
down in soil or even crushed rock is perfectly fine.


Would it be okay to install 50 feet ( length ) of 4 to 5 foot high
chainlink fence, and NOT have the posts cemented in??

I'm not a fence type person but my next neighbor to the east has a
1200' fence along our mutual property line; wood posts and barbed
wire. Been there for 17 years.

Meant to say, there is no concrete, just PT posts in the ground by about
24".
4X4 wood posts (or something close) with a low tension single or 2
strand fence is very commonly done without concrete. But that's not
"chain link" or steel tubular posts.

On Mon, 22 Apr 2013 19:33:42 -0400, "dadiOH"
wrote:

MICHELLE H. wrote:
I see that some people debate over whether fence posts should be
cemented into the ground or not. Some people say yes, you need cement
to keep the fence sturdy, other people say putting the posts 2 feet
down in soil or even crushed rock is perfectly fine.


Would it be okay to install 50 feet ( length ) of 4 to 5 foot high
chainlink fence, and NOT have the posts cemented in??

I'm not a fence type person but my next neighbor to the east has a 1200'
fence along our mutual property line; wood posts and barbed wire. Been
there for 17 years.
Barbed wire and chain link are too completely different situations.

On 4/22/13 11:19 AM, MICHELLE H. wrote:
I see that some people debate over whether fence posts should be
cemented into the ground or not. Some people say yes, you need cement to
keep the fence sturdy, other people say putting the posts 2 feet down in
soil or even crushed rock is perfectly fine.


Would it be okay to install 50 feet ( length ) of 4 to 5 foot high
chainlink fence, and NOT have the posts cemented in??


A bunch cut.

One thought would be plastic snow fence.
Amazon link: http://tinyurl.com/d2xtg4f
It's only four foot high but highly visible.
Put in several T posts to hold it:
http://tinyurl.com/cdpaw7c
Someone already referenced a post pounder:
http://tinyurl.com/brd5qzb

On 4/22/2013 12:19 PM, MICHELLE H. wrote:
I see that some people debate over whether fence posts should be
cemented into the ground or not. Some people say yes, you need cement to
keep the fence sturdy, other people say putting the posts 2 feet down in
soil or even crushed rock is perfectly fine.


Would it be okay to install 50 feet ( length ) of 4 to 5 foot high
chainlink fence, and NOT have the posts cemented in??


We have a small backyard, only about 50 feet wide between houses. We
have a small wooded area behind our house, and no backyard fence. Last
year we tried to have a vegetable garden, but either deer, or raccoons
or something ate all our vegetable plants!!! They loved eating the
tomato and pumpkin plants. They ate everything right down to the
stalk!!!!!


The local fence company wants $1,000 bucks to install a 6 foot high
Cedar stockade fence along the 50 feet of property line. They want $700
for 50 feet of spruce. "Pressure treated posts", and the fence will be
"nailed on". We don't have the extra money right now, so thinking of
just putting up a chainlink fence with the metal chainlink fence posts.
We would like to get either a wooden or PVC 6 foot high stockade fence
in the future, so would like the chainlink to just be temporary, so that
we can TRY to have a vegetable garden this year, and so we don't want to
have to dig up heavy cemented posts in the future, when it's time to
take the chainlink fence down.


So would it really be that bad to install 50 feet of chainlink fence and
NOT cement the posts in the ground, and maybe just pack them down with
dirt, 2 feet deep??


Thanks.



My 6' PT wooden fence along my property line around my inground pool
were installed by a local fence company (permit required).
Due to the frost line in my area, they were installed 4' into the
ground. The only concrete they used was on the corner posts and the
posts that supported gates.
That was about 20 years ago. A few years ago I replaced the 'fabric'
(the actual wooden fencing between the posts). I didn't have to move any
of the posts. This was good for me because the setback for the fencing
went from 6" in from the property line when it was first installed to 3'
from the property line in the new building code, so I was 'grandfathered'.





--
Bill
In Hamptonburgh, NY
In the original Orange County. Est. 1683
To email, remove the double zeros after @

On Tue, 23 Apr 2013 11:52:40 -0400, willshak
wrote:

On 4/22/2013 12:19 PM, MICHELLE H. wrote:
I see that some people debate over whether fence posts should be
cemented into the ground or not. Some people say yes, you need cement to
keep the fence sturdy, other people say putting the posts 2 feet down in
soil or even crushed rock is perfectly fine.


Would it be okay to install 50 feet ( length ) of 4 to 5 foot high
chainlink fence, and NOT have the posts cemented in??


We have a small backyard, only about 50 feet wide between houses. We
have a small wooded area behind our house, and no backyard fence. Last
year we tried to have a vegetable garden, but either deer, or raccoons
or something ate all our vegetable plants!!! They loved eating the
tomato and pumpkin plants. They ate everything right down to the
stalk!!!!!


The local fence company wants $1,000 bucks to install a 6 foot high
Cedar stockade fence along the 50 feet of property line. They want $700
for 50 feet of spruce. "Pressure treated posts", and the fence will be
"nailed on". We don't have the extra money right now, so thinking of
just putting up a chainlink fence with the metal chainlink fence posts.
We would like to get either a wooden or PVC 6 foot high stockade fence
in the future, so would like the chainlink to just be temporary, so that
we can TRY to have a vegetable garden this year, and so we don't want to
have to dig up heavy cemented posts in the future, when it's time to
take the chainlink fence down.


So would it really be that bad to install 50 feet of chainlink fence and
NOT cement the posts in the ground, and maybe just pack them down with
dirt, 2 feet deep??


Thanks.



My 6' PT wooden fence along my property line around my inground pool
were installed by a local fence company (permit required).
Due to the frost line in my area, they were installed 4' into the
ground. The only concrete they used was on the corner posts and the
posts that supported gates.
That was about 20 years ago. A few years ago I replaced the 'fabric'
(the actual wooden fencing between the posts). I didn't have to move any
of the posts. This was good for me because the setback for the fencing
went from 6" in from the property line when it was first installed to 3'
from the property line in the new building code, so I was 'grandfathered'.
And if you replaced the posts one at a time you would still be
grandfathered. Just don't make the mistake of removing the whole fence
at once.

On Apr 23, 5:05*pm, wrote:
On Tue, 23 Apr 2013 11:52:40 -0400, willshak
wrote:





On 4/22/2013 12:19 PM, MICHELLE H. wrote:
I see that some people debate over whether fence posts should be
cemented into the ground or not. Some people say yes, you need cement to
keep the fence sturdy, other people say putting the posts 2 feet down in
soil or even crushed rock is perfectly fine.

Would it be okay to install 50 feet ( length ) of 4 to 5 foot high
chainlink fence, and NOT have the posts cemented in??

We have a small backyard, only about 50 feet wide between houses. We
have a small wooded area behind our house, and no backyard fence. Last
year we tried to have a vegetable garden, but either deer, or raccoons
or something ate all our vegetable plants!!! They loved eating the
tomato and pumpkin plants. They ate everything right down to the
stalk!!!!!

The local fence company wants $1,000 bucks to *install a 6 foot high
Cedar stockade fence along the 50 feet of property line. They want $700
for 50 feet of spruce. "Pressure treated posts", and the fence will be
"nailed on". *We don't have the extra money right now, so thinking of
just putting up a chainlink fence with the metal chainlink fence posts..
We would like to get either a wooden or PVC 6 foot high stockade fence
in the future, so would like the chainlink to just be temporary, so that
we can TRY to have a vegetable garden this year, and so we don't want to
have to dig up heavy cemented posts in the future, when it's time to
take the chainlink fence down.

So would it really be that bad to install 50 feet of chainlink fence and
NOT cement the posts in the ground, and maybe just pack them down with
dirt, 2 feet deep??

Thanks.

My 6' PT wooden fence along my property line around my inground pool
were installed by a local fence company (permit required).
Due to the frost line in my area, they were installed 4' into the
ground. The only concrete they used was on the corner posts and the
posts that supported gates.
That was about 20 years ago. A few years ago I replaced the 'fabric'
(the actual wooden fencing between the posts). I didn't have to move any
of the posts. This was good for me because the setback for the fencing
went from 6" in from the property line when it was first installed to 3'
from the property line in the new building code, so I was 'grandfathered'.

*And if you replaced the posts one at a time you would still be
grandfathered. Just don't make the mistake of removing the whole fence
at once.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

All in all, the simplest solution to the whole problem would
be to forget the garden. If you factor in all the problems,
it may just not be worth it and buying produce at a local
farmers market might make more sense.

I've had vegetable gardens mostly a long time ago when
I was a kid. Attempts at growing more limited gardens
here in NJ in more recent times, resulted in deer being
a big problem. And as
Michelle is finding out, the solutions aren't cheap or easy.
Besides deer, here we have ground hogs that are a big
problem. Then you have to fend off the insects, deal with
disease, etc, and what you get is still a crap shoot.
I've managed to grow some tomatoes and hot peppers, but
the deer even mowed them down when they were still in
the early stages. The one thing I have had success with
is herbs, eg oregano, rosemary, sage.

You also have to factor in if you want an ugly chain link
fence to look at 365 days a year, what it does to the look
of the property, etc.