On Sat, 13 Apr 2013 17:34:02 -0700 Oren wrote:

LESSONS LEARNED:
http://www4.picturepush.com/photo/a/...g/12671632.png

Danny,
What software are you using to make these composite photos?

I consider myself a master at freeware, so, there's almost
nothing that can't be done with the best freeware.

The effort, in freeware, is in finding the best of the best,
so that you don't waste time on the second-rate pretenders.

For arrows and text, the best, by far, on Windows is Paint.NET,
while, on Linux, the best, by far, is KolourPaint.

For autorotation, autonaming, & resizing, Irfanview batch operations
are the fastest on Windows, while ImageMagick and the Linux shell are
the quickest on Linux.

For example, on Linux, I rotate & resize the photos to a common size:
$ for f in *.jpg;do jhead -autorot $f;convert -resize 800x600 -quality 75 $f;done
Similar batch commands are available in IrfanView on Windows.

Then, I create the montage, on Linux, using ImageMagick:
$ convert photo1.jpg photo2.jpg +attach side-by-side.gif
$ convert photoa.jpg photob.jpg -attach top-and-bottom.gif

Of course, I could just as easily have used Kolourpaint:
$ kolourpaint photo1.jpg
[KolourPaint]Edit-Paste from file-photo2.jpg

IrfanView has a create-panorama command, which works as well, on Windows.

The reason Paint.NET is needed, on Windows, is that IrfanView stinks when
it comes to texting and arrows, something that Paint.NET is stellar at.

Likewise, on Linux, the Gimp stinks at drawing circles, texting, and creating
arrows, which KolourPaint does with aplomb.

You're welcome to ask any image-editing question as I've been researching
the best freeware for decades, so, I pretty much know what I need (and
have spent a LOT of time on alt.comp.freeware & rec.photo.digital over
the decades).

Lye is either sodium or potassium hydroxide; NaOH or KOH.

Lye is the active ingredient in drain cleaners because it both:

a) dissolves hair.
Never use a natural bristle brush to paint oven cleaner onto anything because the natural bristles will be dissolved by the lye. Use a paint brush with nylon or polyester bristles instead.

b) reacts with cooking oil and animal fats to convert them into soap and glycerine.
And, unlike cooking oil or animal fat, both soap and glycerine are easy to wash away because they both dissolve in water. That chemical reaction between lye and cooking oils or animal fats to form soap and glycerine is called "saponification":
Saponification - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

So, the reason why Drano uses lye as it's active ingredient is because lye will theoretically dissolve a hair clog, which is the most common cause of bathroom sink and tub clogs, and it'll also theoretically create water soluble soap out of cooking oil and animal fat, which are the most common cause of kitchen sink clogs. So, it's supposedly effective on both kitchen and bathroom drains.

Or, so the makers of Drano would have you believe. Anyone that's ever used the stuff to clear a bathroom or kitchen sink clog has found out that it usually doesn't work.

On 2013-04-14, nestork wrote:

No bacteria or mold could survive having the molecules from which it is
made of being broken up into pieces. That's like saying a brick house
could remain standing despite all it's bricks being broken into pieces.

Careful reading of my statement reveals I said nothing about the mold
surviving. And while the brick house may not remain standing, the
crumbled rubble of the brick house remains.

nb.

nestork wrote:
So, the reason why Drano uses lye as it's active ingredient is not
because lye digests organic material.

I was being simplistic.


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Oren wrote:
On Fri, 12 Apr 2013 15:25:49 +0000 (UTC), "Danny D."
wrote:


LESSONS LEARNED:
http://www4.picturepush.com/photo/a/...g/12671632.png

Danny,

What software are you using to make these composite photos?

If all you want to do is make one image from two or more, it is easy to do
so with what you already have: MS Paint.

1. Open MS Paint

2. Open an image in any graphic program (including another instance of MS
Paint)

3. Copy the image (Ctrl + A then Ctrl + C) or a portion of it (select the
area then Ctrl + C)

4. Now paste into the MS Paint from #1 above. It will paste into the top
left hand corner but you can move it wherever you want.

5. Repeat 2-5 as many times as you wish

6. Save the new composite image.

MS Paint starts off with a very large canvas (space to put stuff) and
available space that doesn't get filled up with your images is also saved.
You can get rid of it in MS Paint but it's a pain to do so; far easier to
open the new image in IrfanView, select and copy what you want, paste it
into a new IrfanView instance and save that.

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dadiOH wrote:
Oren wrote:
On Fri, 12 Apr 2013 15:25:49 +0000 (UTC), "Danny D."
wrote:


LESSONS LEARNED:
http://www4.picturepush.com/photo/a/...g/12671632.png

Danny,

What software are you using to make these composite photos?

If all you want to do is make one image from two or more, it is easy
to do so with what you already have: MS Paint.

1. Open MS Paint

2. Open an image in any graphic program (including another instance
of MS Paint)

3. Copy the image (Ctrl + A then Ctrl + C) or a portion of it (select
the area then Ctrl + C)

4. Now paste into the MS Paint from #1 above. It will paste into the
top left hand corner but you can move it wherever you want.

5. Repeat 2-5 as many times as you wish

6. Save the new composite image.

MS Paint starts off with a very large canvas (space to put stuff) and
available space that doesn't get filled up with your images is also
saved. You can get rid of it in MS Paint but it's a pain to do so;
far easier to open the new image in IrfanView, select and copy what
you want, paste it into a new IrfanView instance and save that.

Here's an example:
http://www.floridaloghouse.net/photos.htm

Everything within the brown border is one image made as I explained above.
Text is via IrfanView.

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On Sat, 13 Apr 2013 17:34:02 -0700 Oren wrote:
What software are you using to make these composite photos?
http://www4.picturepush.com/photo/a/...g/12671632.png
http://www2.picturepush.com/photo/a/...g/12671545.jpg

Oren,

I got carried away in the prior reply; so I'll directly answer.
I used a combination of Imagemagick & Kolourpaint on Linux
to create the DIY montages above.

1. Imagemagick to resize the photos to similar sizes.
2. Imagemagick to slap similar-sized photos together.
3. Kolourpaint to hand craft the more complex arrangements.
4. And, Kolorpaint to text, circle, & arrow the results.

Had I been on Windows, I would have used:
1. Irfanview to resize the photos to similar sizes.
2. Irfanview to slap similar-sized photos together.
3. Paint.NET to make the more complex arrangements.
4. And, Paint.NET to text, circle, & arrow the results.

IMHO, there is no single freeware program on either platform,
which will perform all the tasks necessary to assemble and
annotate a typical task-oriented photo scenario such as is
shown in the better amateur do-it-yourself (DIY) project
writeups.

PS: I'm not sure what the difference is between a collage
and a montage, so, I used the word "montage" to indicate
an assemblage of photos & screenshots intended to help in
explaining how to do something, in a single resulting image.

On Apr 13, 10:36*pm, "Danny D." wrote:
On Sat, 13 Apr 2013 17:34:02 -0700 Oren wrote:

LESSONS LEARNED:
http://www4.picturepush.com/photo/a/...g/12671632.png

Danny,
What software are you using to make these composite photos?

I consider myself a master at freeware, so, there's almost
nothing that can't be done with the best freeware.

The effort, in freeware, is in finding the best of the best,
so that you don't waste time on the second-rate pretenders.

For arrows and text, the best, by far, on Windows is Paint.NET,
while, on Linux, the best, by far, is KolourPaint.

For autorotation, autonaming, & resizing, Irfanview batch operations
are the fastest on Windows, while ImageMagick and the Linux shell are
the quickest on Linux.

For example, on Linux, I rotate & resize the photos to a common size:
*$ for f in *.jpg;do jhead -autorot $f;convert -resize 800x600 -quality 75 $f;done
Similar batch commands are available in IrfanView on Windows.

Then, I create the montage, on Linux, using ImageMagick:
*$ convert photo1.jpg photo2.jpg +attach side-by-side.gif
*$ convert photoa.jpg photob.jpg -attach top-and-bottom.gif

Of course, I could just as easily have used Kolourpaint:
*$ kolourpaint photo1.jpg
* *[KolourPaint]Edit-Paste from file-photo2.jpg

IrfanView has a create-panorama command, which works as well, on Windows.

The reason Paint.NET is needed, on Windows, is that IrfanView stinks when
it comes to texting and arrows, something that Paint.NET is stellar at.

Likewise, on Linux, the Gimp stinks at drawing circles, texting, and creating
arrows, which KolourPaint does with aplomb.

You're welcome to ask any image-editing question as I've been researching
the best freeware for decades, so, I pretty much know what I need (and
have spent a LOT of time on alt.comp.freeware & rec.photo.digital over
the decades).

I'm a Paint fan also, you can do all sorts of good stuf with/on it.

On Apr 14, 9:11*am, "Danny D." wrote:
On Sat, 13 Apr 2013 17:34:02 -0700 Oren wrote:

What software are you using to make these composite photos?
http://www4.picturepush.com/photo/a/...g/12671632.png
http://www2.picturepush.com/photo/a/...g/12671545.jpg

Oren,

I got carried away in the prior reply; so I'll directly answer.
I used a combination of Imagemagick & Kolourpaint on Linux
to create the DIY montages above.

1. Imagemagick to resize the photos to similar sizes.
2. Imagemagick to slap similar-sized photos together.
3. Kolourpaint to hand craft the more complex arrangements.
4. And, Kolorpaint to text, circle, & arrow the results.

Had I been on Windows, I would have used:
1. Irfanview to resize the photos to similar sizes.
2. Irfanview to slap similar-sized photos together.
3. Paint.NET to make the more complex arrangements.
4. And, Paint.NET to text, circle, & arrow the results.

IMHO, there is no single freeware program on either platform,
which will perform all the tasks necessary to assemble and
annotate a typical task-oriented photo scenario such as is
shown in the better amateur do-it-yourself (DIY) project
writeups.

PS: I'm not sure what the difference is between a collage
and a montage, so, I used the word "montage" to indicate
an assemblage of photos & screenshots intended to help in
explaining how to do something, in a single resulting image.

I shoudl have said I'm a Paint.net fan.

On Sun, 14 Apr 2013 09:04:41 -0400 dadiOH wrote:

If all you want to do is make one image from two or more,
it is easy to do so with what you already have: MS Paint.

Nothing wrong with MS Paint, but the collage (or is it a montage?)
also required texting, circling, and arrowing - which is problematic
in most programs.

IMHO, on Windows, nothing does curved arrows easier (or better) than
Paint.NET; and, as you noted, nothing crops easier than IrfanView.

But, the choice of freeware depends on which program does the sum
total of the needed tasks easiest and best.

Unfortunately, I've never found ONE program (on either Windows or Linux)
that does the five basic DIY-editing tasks:

Easy stuff like cropping, texting, rotating, naming, & format conversion;
plus, the harder stuff like circling and arrowing & canvas enlargement.

On Sun, 14 Apr 2013 09:11:21 -0400 dadiOH wrote:

MS Paint & IrfanView

Here's an example:
http://www.floridaloghouse.net/photos.htm

Everything within the brown border is one image made as I explained above.
Text is via IrfanView.

Agreed. That is a stellar presentation. Very nice.

I've used both MS Paint & IrfanView on Windows; but, I must suggest
that everyone try texting and arrowing with Paint.NET before you
conclude anything about any other program. Circle drawing is just
OK with Paint.NET.

Those three things are really what decides what freeware is "best"
for basic editing of DIY-style screenshots & photos:
- Texting (there should never be a need to draw a box!)
- Arrows (they should be drawn in a single point-&-click sequence!)
- Circles (they should be easy to point-and-click create)

Given those three extremely common requirements, it's sad (and
surprising), that almost all freeware editing programs fall flat
on their faces, when it comes to these three simple tasks.

You'll NEVER find another program that does curved arrows better
and easier than does Paint.NET (whether solid or dashed) - and - you'll
also find that the texting in MS Paint is exactly like it should be
(i.e., no need to estimate the size & shape to sweep out a box!).
The drawing of circles is pretty easy but nothing special.

Unfortunately, the best I could find on Linux for the same extremely
common tasks are atrocious in comparison. In Kolourpaint, you have
to estimate & sweep out a box to text; and in Kolourpaint you have
to manually draw the arrows, then curve then, then create your own
arrowheads from scratch ... and ... you can just forget about making
dashed arrows. As with Paint.NET on Windows, Kolourpaint on Linux
drawing of circles is pretty easy but nothing special.

As always, if there WAS a freeware editing program that did all three
of those extremely common tasks well, that would be the program I'd
consider best - and certainly - it would be the program I'd use
and recommend.

On Sun, 14 Apr 2013 09:04:41 -0400, "dadiOH"
wrote:

Oren wrote:
On Fri, 12 Apr 2013 15:25:49 +0000 (UTC), "Danny D."
wrote:


LESSONS LEARNED:
http://www4.picturepush.com/photo/a/...g/12671632.png

Danny,

What software are you using to make these composite photos?

If all you want to do is make one image from two or more, it is easy to do
so with what you already have: MS Paint.

1. Open MS Paint

2. Open an image in any graphic program (including another instance of MS
Paint)

3. Copy the image (Ctrl + A then Ctrl + C) or a portion of it (select the
area then Ctrl + C)

4. Now paste into the MS Paint from #1 above. It will paste into the top
left hand corner but you can move it wherever you want.

5. Repeat 2-5 as many times as you wish

6. Save the new composite image.

MS Paint starts off with a very large canvas (space to put stuff) and
available space that doesn't get filled up with your images is also saved.
You can get rid of it in MS Paint but it's a pain to do so; far easier to
open the new image in IrfanView, select and copy what you want, paste it
into a new IrfanView instance and save that.

Thanks. I tinkered with MS Paint in Win98SE. Will check it out, again.

On Sun, 14 Apr 2013 14:11:30 +0000 (UTC), "Danny D."
wrote:

Had I been on Windows, I would have used:
1. Irfanview to resize the photos to similar sizes.
2. Irfanview to slap similar-sized photos together.
3. Paint.NET to make the more complex arrangements.
4. And, Paint.NET to text, circle, & arrow the results.

I run Winders fer Rednecks v.7.

Thanks. I'll dig up these tools.

(results from my first ever electrolysis tank for de-rusting tools and
cast iron...)

Nate made me do it...

Danny D. wrote:
On Sun, 14 Apr 2013 09:11:21 -0400 dadiOH wrote:

MS Paint & IrfanView

Here's an example:
http://www.floridaloghouse.net/photos.htm

Everything within the brown border is one image made as I explained
above. Text is via IrfanView.

Agreed. That is a stellar presentation. Very nice.

Thanks.
____________

I've used both MS Paint & IrfanView on Windows; but, I must suggest
that everyone try texting and arrowing with Paint.NET before you
conclude anything about any other program. Circle drawing is just
OK with Paint.NET.

I did d/l it a day or two ago and look forward to trying it.
______________

Those three things are really what decides what freeware is "best"
for basic editing of DIY-style screenshots & photos:
- Texting (there should never be a need to draw a box!)

I find the box useful inasmuch as I can then center words and lines within a
given area.

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On Sun, 14 Apr 2013 06:14:25 +0000 nestork wrote:

Bleach doesn't turn anything white.

That was a great writeup on how bleach worked, and how lye works.

One question:
Why did the 100% cotton towel disintegrate from the bleach?
http://www2.picturepush.com/photo/a/...g/12660685.jpg

On Sun, 14 Apr 2013 14:11:30 +0000 (UTC), "Danny D."
wrote:

Had I been on Windows, I would have used:
1. Irfanview to resize the photos to similar sizes.
2. Irfanview to slap similar-sized photos together.
3. Paint.NET to make the more complex arrangements.
4. And, Paint.NET to text, circle, & arrow the results.

Put both on today and messed around. I'll figure out the text (where
I want to place it).

For the most part I'm on the trail for composites for DIY.

Thanks Danny. Nice App's...

On Mon, 15 Apr 2013 16:01:13 -0700 Oren wrote:

For the most part I'm on the trail for composites for DIY.

You might like the panorama command in Irfanview:
http://www.wikihow.com/Create-a-Pano...sing-IrfanView

Remember that lone oxygen atoms will preferentially react with large organic molecules which tend to be less stable than other molecules?

Well, cotton is almost 100% cellulose, and cellulose is what wood is mostly made of. So, cellulose is a large organic molecule too. Lone oxygen atoms will break cellulose molecules apart just as aggressively as they break dye molecules apart.

You can prove to yourself that it's not just cotton that will be attacked by bleach. Leave a cellulose sponge soaking in bleach overnight, and the cellulose molecules in the sponge will get broken to pieces too. In the morning, it will still look like the same sponge, but will have no strength any more. If you pull it out of the bleach and squeeze it, it'll crush to form a mush in your hand similar to wet bread.


PS: You don't need to know the rest:

Water from the roots, CO2 from the air and sunlight combine together in a tree's leaves to produce glucose; the simplest form of all the different kinds of sugar molecules. (lactose, maltose, dextrose, fructose, etc.)

However, there are two different forms of glucose molecules; alpha glucose and beta glucose:



It turns out that if you stack alpha glucose molecules up like bricks in a wall, you get something called "starch", which is what rice, potatos and bread are made of.

If you stack beta glucose molecules up like bricks in a wall, you get cellulose, which is what cotton, paper and wood (mostly) are made of.

Every chemical you find in a plant, whether it's the lignin holding the wood cells together in the tree trunk, the tannins in the plant's leaves or the extracts that native people's used to treat medical conditions, were all made by the plant out of the water and nutrients gathered by the roots and the glucose produced by the leaves.

Right now we're using enzymes to break starch molecules down into their constituent sugar molecules, and then fermenting that sugar to make ethanol to sell as an automotive fuel. And, the big thing in bio-fuels research right now is to be able to do the same thing with cellulose.

Then, everything grown on a farm could be sold. Corn farmers, for example could sell their corn cobs as food, and most of the rest of the plant as cellulose to make ethanol out of. And, old t-shirts, old books and old furniture, all made of cellulose, would suddenly have worth because they too could be made into ethanol. Cows, termites and wood rot fungi have the enzymes in them to do that, but getting those enzymes to survive and work outside of those living organisms is the challenge.

nestork wrote:

snip good stuff

Then, everything grown on a farm could be sold. Corn farmers, for
example could sell their corn cobs as food, and most of the rest of
the plant as cellulose to make ethanol out of. And, old t-shirts,
old books and old furniture, all made of cellulose, would suddenly
have worth because they too could be made into ethanol. Cows,
termites and wood rot fungi have the enzymes in them to do that, but
getting those enzymes to survive and work outside of those living
organisms is the challenge.

Looks like we all should become termite huggers

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On Tue, 16 Apr 2013 01:50:14 +0000 (UTC), "Danny D."
wrote:

On Mon, 15 Apr 2013 16:01:13 -0700 Oren wrote:

For the most part I'm on the trail for composites for DIY.

You might like the panorama command in Irfanview:
http://www.wikihow.com/Create-a-Pano...sing-IrfanView

Thanks. I've been there already....an easy way to put 3-4 photos side
by side - iirc.

Adding text is what I need to figure out. I played with it so I will
eventually get to it. I thought to just add a new layer with text
only?

Oren wrote:
On Tue, 16 Apr 2013 01:50:14 +0000 (UTC), "Danny D."
wrote:

On Mon, 15 Apr 2013 16:01:13 -0700 Oren wrote:

For the most part I'm on the trail for composites for DIY.

You might like the panorama command in Irfanview:
http://www.wikihow.com/Create-a-Pano...sing-IrfanView

Thanks. I've been there already....an easy way to put 3-4 photos side
by side - iirc.

Adding text is what I need to figure out. I played with it so I will
eventually get to it. I thought to just add a new layer with text
only?

In Irfanview? Draw a box then Ctrl + T

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On Apr 16, 10:55*am, Oren wrote:
On Tue, 16 Apr 2013 01:50:14 +0000 (UTC), "Danny D."

wrote:
On Mon, 15 Apr 2013 16:01:13 -0700 Oren wrote:

For the most part I'm on the trail for composites for DIY.

You might like the panorama command in Irfanview:
http://www.wikihow.com/Create-a-Pano...sing-IrfanView

Thanks. I've been there already....an easy way to put 3-4 photos side
by side - iirc.

Adding text is what I need to figure out. I played with it so I will
eventually get to it. *I thought to just add a new layer with text
only?

my workaround for text is to open with irfanview and save as .bmp
open in PAINT and add text, marks, etc save.
open again in Irfanview and save as .jpg

It's a workaround.

On Tue, 16 Apr 2013 10:55:04 -0700 Oren wrote:

Adding text is what I need to figure out. I played with it so I will
eventually get to it. I thought to just add a new layer with text
only?

I would NOT add text with Irfanview. Use Paint.NET.
Muuuuuch easier & more intuitive.

Danny D. posted Sat, 20 Apr 2013 11:58:17 +0000 (UTC)



On Tue, 16 Apr 2013 10:55:04 -0700 Oren wrote:

Adding text is what I need to figure out. I played with it so I will
eventually get to it. I thought to just add a new layer with text
only?

I would NOT add text with Irfanview. Use Paint.NET.
Muuuuuch easier & more intuitive.

To defend IV,
it is rather viewer with added simple editing capabilities.

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On Sat, 20 Apr 2013 14:08:39 +0200 Poutnik wrote:

I would NOT add text with Irfanview. Use Paint.NET.
Muuuuuch easier & more intuitive.

To defend IV,
it is rather viewer with added simple editing capabilities.

I do agree that IrfanView is absolutely fantastic as the best
picture "viewer" on the PC, bar none. Mainly it's fast. Really
really really fast. Twice as fast as most programs, and ten
times faster than a lot of them.

Even though IrfanView is only a "viewer", we all know IV also
does CROPPING wonderfully (click, click, crop). It converts
to various formats nicely (e.g., JPEG - GIF); and IrfanView
is great with batch renamin and resizing operations (which
aren't so easy on the Windows operating system elsewise).

However, when it comes to TEXTING, drawing CIRCLES, and
especially curved ARROWs, IrfanView stinks. For that,
I'd suggest Paint.NET ...

The funny thing is that TEXTING is done wrong on almost
all picture editing programs in that they force you to
choose the area BEFORE you type a single character!

What's inexplicable about that is there is no need for
that. With Paint.NET, you simply type. No need to choose
any area whatsoever.

Likewise, arrows are almost atrocious how they're handled
on most picture-editing programs. With most, all you can do
is manually draw a curve and then manually draw an arrowhead
and you can just about forget doing dashed lines.

With Paint.NET, it's all done for you. You just draw the
arrow point 1, and then point 2, and it's done for you.
(You've pre-selected the type of arrow, direction,
arrowhead, dashes, color, etc., as the default.)

On the other hand, drawing circles and boxes around things
is relatively easy in most programs, but heaven forbid
trying to do it in something powerful like The Gimp. You'll
go crazy. Sure, it 'can' be done; but you'd die trying.

Irfanview isn't too bad with drawing circles, but, since
you NEED paint.net for the arrows and text, you may as
well draw the circles there.

In summary, IrfanView is a fantastic picture-viewing program,
which is fast and simple and powerful ... but it stinks for
the basic annotation of DIY-style photos. For for that,
Paint.NET is the best (although others will work too).

Note: This is all on Windows. For Linux, the corresponding
best DIY-photo editing program is the combination of
ImageMagick for batch operations, and Kolourpaint for the
manual texting, arrowing, and circling of objects.

On Sat, 20 Apr 2013 22:12:17 +0000 Danny D. wrote:

However, when it comes to TEXTING, drawing CIRCLES, and
especially curved ARROWs, IrfanView stinks.

For the record, today I needed to reproduce a firefox bug
on both WinXP and on Linux, so, I created essentially the
same screenshot on each platform:

Windows:
http://www4.picturepush.com/photo/a/...g/12745022.gif
Linux:
http://www3.picturepush.com/photo/a/...g/12745771.png

OBSERVATION:
I haven't been on Windows for a while, so, I had forgotten what
a fantastic dream Paint.net was in terms of usability (as compared
to what exists on Linux) in performing the three basic screenshot
annotation tasks of:
(a) texting (you just click & type ... that's it!)
(b) circling (you just click & sweep ... that's it!)
(c) arrowing (you just click & click ... that's it!)

In comparison the critical annotation triad on Linux was kludgey
at best.
(a) texting (you have to pre-select the text area ... yuck)
(b) circling (you just click and sweep ... so this is good)
(c) arrowing (all manual ... especially dashes, curves & heads)

Note: It's amazing that, on Linux, there isn't a single decent
freeware program for these three simple tasks that even comes
close to comparing to what exists on Windows - and - on Windows,
it's amazing that only one program does all three tasks correctly
(i.e., efficiently).

On 2013.04.21 10:50 , Danny D. wrote:
On Sat, 20 Apr 2013 22:12:17 +0000 Danny D. wrote:

However, when it comes to TEXTING, drawing CIRCLES, and
especially curved ARROWs, IrfanView stinks.

For the record, today I needed to reproduce a firefox bug
on both WinXP and on Linux, so, I created essentially the
same screenshot on each platform:

Windows:
http://www4.picturepush.com/photo/a/...g/12745022.gif
Linux:
http://www3.picturepush.com/photo/a/...g/12745771.png

OBSERVATION:
I haven't been on Windows for a while, so, I had forgotten what
a fantastic dream Paint.net was in terms of usability (as compared
to what exists on Linux) in performing the three basic screenshot
annotation tasks of:
(a) texting (you just click & type ... that's it!)
(b) circling (you just click & sweep ... that's it!)
(c) arrowing (you just click & click ... that's it!)

In comparison the critical annotation triad on Linux was kludgey
at best.
(a) texting (you have to pre-select the text area ... yuck)
(b) circling (you just click and sweep ... so this is good)
(c) arrowing (all manual ... especially dashes, curves & heads)

Note: It's amazing that, on Linux, there isn't a single decent
freeware program for these three simple tasks that even comes
close to comparing to what exists on Windows - and - on Windows,
it's amazing that only one program does all three tasks correctly
(i.e., efficiently).


Please stop x-posting your adventures to rec.photo.digital. At worst
take this to a graphics/design NG. But it really has no place here.


--
"A Canadian is someone who knows how to have sex in a canoe."
-Pierre Berton

On Sun, 14 Apr 2013 09:57:32 -0700 wrote:

I shoudl have said I'm a Paint.net fan.

I am too. I 'wish' Linux had as good a tool as Paint.NET for
annotating DIY photos!

Alas, the best I can find on Linux is KolourPaint.

Here's a summary collage of how to remove brownish deposits
(made with KolourPaint):

http://www3.picturepush.com/photo/a/...g/12756756.png

On Thu, 11 Apr 2013 21:25:27 +0000 Danny D. wrote:

1. Pool bleach (12%)
2. Pool acid (28%)
3. Naval jelly

One interesting result I should mention is that I've repeated
the acid test on a few toilet bowls since opening this thread,
and, one thing that is clear about the 'brown' deposits is that
the pool acid dissolves them - but - the pool bleach merely
turns them white.

So, I think they're mineral deposits which have, for whatever
reason, taken on a brown hue.

On Mon, 22 Apr 2013 18:30:55 +0000 (UTC), "Danny D."
wrote:

On Thu, 11 Apr 2013 21:25:27 +0000 Danny D. wrote:

1. Pool bleach (12%)
2. Pool acid (28%)
3. Naval jelly

One interesting result I should mention is that I've repeated
the acid test on a few toilet bowls since opening this thread,
and, one thing that is clear about the 'brown' deposits is that
the pool acid dissolves them - but - the pool bleach merely
turns them white.

So, I think they're mineral deposits which have, for whatever
reason, taken on a brown hue.

The brown / reddish slime is bacteria (?) growing in the bowl rim. It
exits via the rim jets. This is why the stains are vertical in the
bowl.

Hard water causes calcium build-up around the rim jets, slows the
flush vortex / bowl washing.

The test is a cup or so of pool acid in the bowl - fizzles - it is
calcium in my area. I have a water softener and the acid will not
fizzle, like with hard water.

If you use duct tape strips under the rim it blocks the jets, the
acid will work better when poured into the overflow tube. Allow to
work and then remove the tape. Some extra acid to clean the bowl.
Brush under the rim as well.

Removing all the water (sacrificial turkey baster) and adding acid
above the bottom throat jet will clean that jet as well.

Neutralize with baking soda and flush.