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Don't know if this is allowable. Would like to move my security camera
and DVR setup to a closet. No outlet in there now. This is going to be a 20A to power the cameras' power adapter, monitor and DVR thanks richard |
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... Don't know if this is allowable. Would like to move my security camera and DVR setup to a closet. No outlet in there now. This is going to be a 20A to power the cameras' power adapter, monitor and DVR Just run it off the lite.... not going to need even 2 amps, much less 20. Use zip cord.... I mean Romex.... lol 10 min job. Or a 1 min job if you use a screw-in bulb-outlet adapter + an extension cord. -- EA thanks richard |
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On Feb 24, 10:03*am, wrote:
Don't know if this is allowable. Would like to move my security camera and DVR setup to a closet. No outlet in there now. This is going to be a 20A to power the cameras' power adapter, monitor and DVR thanks richard Sure it's allowed. But why in the world would you need 20A for a security camera? They probably don't use that on a camera for NBC nightly news these days.... You should be 1 amp or so for all that you've listed. |
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Don't know if this is allowable. Would like to move my security camera and DVR setup to a closet. No outlet in there now. This is going to be a 20A to power the cameras' power adapter, monitor and DVR thanks richard 20 amps? 20 amp breaker, 20 amp receptacle, and 12 gauge wire for that small amount of electronics? Way overkill...unless the circuit is already present and you just want to extend it into the closet. It's still overkill, but if it's already nearby, then why not. As far as whether or not an outlet is allowed in a closet, I'm pretty sure there's an outlet in this closet. http://www.electronichouse.com/slide...egory/5861/895 |
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On Feb 24, 9:56*am, DerbyDad03 wrote:
wrote: Don't know if this is allowable. Would like to move my security camera and DVR setup to a closet. No outlet in there now. This is going to be a 20A to power the cameras' power adapter, monitor and DVR thanks richard 20 amps? 20 amp breaker, 20 amp receptacle, and 12 gauge wire for that small amount of electronics? Way overkill...unless the circuit is already present and you just want to extend it into the closet. It's still overkill, but if it's already nearby, then why not. As far as whether or not an outlet is allowed in a closet, I'm pretty sure there's an outlet in this closet. http://www.electronichouse.com/slide...egory/5861/895 Thanks folks. I know it is an overkill. Plan to upgrade to 16-camera unit. Just like an extra headroom, 4 cameras @ approx. 3A per 4- camera, that adds to 12A + DVD and monitor. Plus planning to add IR illuminators and plenty of spare 20's already in the main breaker that is unused. |
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On Feb 24, 12:29*pm, wrote:
On Feb 24, 9:56*am, DerbyDad03 wrote: wrote: Don't know if this is allowable. Would like to move my security camera and DVR setup to a closet. No outlet in there now. This is going to be a 20A to power the cameras' power adapter, monitor and DVR thanks richard 20 amps? 20 amp breaker, 20 amp receptacle, and 12 gauge wire for that small amount of electronics? Way overkill...unless the circuit is already present and you just want to extend it into the closet. It's still overkill, but if it's already nearby, then why not. As far as whether or not an outlet is allowed in a closet, I'm pretty sure there's an outlet in this closet. http://www.electronichouse.com/slide...egory/5861/895 Thanks folks. I know it is an overkill. Plan to upgrade to 16-camera unit. Just like an extra headroom, 4 cameras @ approx. 3A per 4- camera, What kind of camera uses .75 amps? that adds to 12A + DVD and monitor. Plus planning to add IR illuminators and plenty of spare 20's already in the main breaker that is unused.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - |
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On Feb 24, 12:46*pm, Art Todesco wrote:
On 2/24/2013 12:29 PM, wrote: On Feb 24, 9:56 am, DerbyDad03 wrote: wrote: Don't know if this is allowable. Would like to move my security camera and DVR setup to a closet. No outlet in there now. This is going to be a 20A to power the cameras' power adapter, monitor and DVR thanks richard 20 amps? 20 amp breaker, 20 amp receptacle, and 12 gauge wire for that small amount of electronics? Way overkill...unless the circuit is already present and you just want to extend it into the closet. It's still overkill, but if it's already nearby, then why not. As far as whether or not an outlet is allowed in a closet, I'm pretty sure there's an outlet in this closet. http://www.electronichouse.com/slide...egory/5861/895 Thanks folks. I know it is an overkill. Plan to upgrade to 16-camera unit. Just like an extra headroom, 4 cameras @ approx. 3A per 4- camera, that adds to 12A + DVD and monitor. Plus planning to add IR illuminators and plenty of spare 20's already in the main breaker that is unused. Yes but, that 3A per 4 cameras is probably at 12 volts, or whatever the cameras use. *At 120 volts, it's probably 1/5 or 1/10 of that. *I've done high end studio cameras in a mobile unit and in a studio. *Most of those cameras, along with the control room remote unit, only dray an amp or 2 at 120VAC.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I think you may have it figured out. I'll bet he's looking at the wallwart and it says its 3A @ 12V, etc. |
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On Sun, 24 Feb 2013 07:03:26 -0800 (PST), wrote:
Don't know if this is allowable. Would like to move my security camera and DVR setup to a closet. No outlet in there now. This is going to be a 20A to power the cameras' power adapter, monitor and DVR Having a 20A circuit and not needing it is better than not having a 20A circuit when you do need it. You may even want to put a computer server in their one day. |
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On 02/24/2013 10:17 AM, Metspitzer wrote:
On Sun, 24 Feb 2013 07:03:26 -0800 (PST), wrote: Don't know if this is allowable. Would like to move my security camera and DVR setup to a closet. No outlet in there now. This is going to be a 20A to power the cameras' power adapter, monitor and DVR Having a 20A circuit and not needing it is better than not having a 20A circuit when you do need it. You can take my 20A circuit when you pry it from my cold, dead fingers! Jon |
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On Sun, 24 Feb 2013 10:23:56 -0800, Jon Danniken
wrote: On 02/24/2013 10:17 AM, Metspitzer wrote: On Sun, 24 Feb 2013 07:03:26 -0800 (PST), wrote: Don't know if this is allowable. Would like to move my security camera and DVR setup to a closet. No outlet in there now. This is going to be a 20A to power the cameras' power adapter, monitor and DVR Having a 20A circuit and not needing it is better than not having a 20A circuit when you do need it. You can take my 20A circuit when you pry it from my cold, dead fingers! Jon Jon, where do you live grin ? |
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Robert wrote:
On Feb 24, 9:03 am, wrote: Don't know if this is allowable. Would like to move my security camera and DVR setup to a closet. No outlet in there now. This is going to be a 20A to power the cameras' power adapter, monitor and DVR thanks richard Often the closet in one room backs up to another room with a power outlet on the wall of the other room that is on the opposite side of the wall that forms the back of the closet. It is a simple matter to branch off this outlet to install an outlet on the closet back wall. A simple matter of locating the "new" receptacle, and stuffing the Romex a couple inches into the existing outlet and attaching to the spare terminals ... If this is the case with your setup, the job will be an easy one. Robert Not if the receptacle in the other room isn't on a 20 amp circuit... |
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On Sun, 24 Feb 2013 13:17:32 -0500, Metspitzer
wrote: On Sun, 24 Feb 2013 07:03:26 -0800 (PST), wrote: Don't know if this is allowable. Would like to move my security camera and DVR setup to a closet. No outlet in there now. This is going to be a 20A to power the cameras' power adapter, monitor and DVR Having a 20A circuit and not needing it is better than not having a 20A circuit when you do need it. You may even want to put a computer server in their one day. 120V @20A is 2.4kW dissipated in that closet. Better add a circuit for the AC, too. |
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On Sun, 24 Feb 2013, DerbyDad03 wrote:
Not if the receptacle in the other room isn't on a 20 amp circuit... I think the OP wants a dedicated 20 amp for the cameras. My licensed electrician here in NYC says outlets are not allowed in closets. But he puts them in for me. Nor are bare incandescent bulbs allowed. They must be covered or fluorescent. This I do follow. Don. www.donwiss.com (e-mail link at home page bottom). |
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On Sun, 24 Feb 2013 18:48:38 -0500, Don Wiss
wrote: On Sun, 24 Feb 2013, DerbyDad03 wrote: Not if the receptacle in the other room isn't on a 20 amp circuit... I think the OP wants a dedicated 20 amp for the cameras. My licensed electrician here in NYC says outlets are not allowed in closets. But he puts them in for me. What's his name so I can report him ? Just kidding... Seriously I wonder why they don't allow them in a closet? |
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I think you may have it figured out. I'll bet he's looking at
the wallwart and it says its 3A @ 12V, etc. I have installed many cameras, even the ones with 120' (yea right) IR lights and they are max 1A at 12 volts. OP install at least a quad and if you get into a lot of lights they make a power distribution box where you can hook it all up in one big box. I have 13 at one location and luckily found what I would call an octopus cable, one 110, a power supply and 8 outputs. its maybe 3A at 110. |
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On Sun, 24 Feb 2013 18:06:37 -0600, Doug
wrote: Seriously I wonder why they don't allow them in a closet? Government intrusion? |
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Doug writes:
On Sun, 24 Feb 2013 18:48:38 -0500, Don Wiss wrote: On Sun, 24 Feb 2013, DerbyDad03 wrote: Not if the receptacle in the other room isn't on a 20 amp circuit... I think the OP wants a dedicated 20 amp for the cameras. My licensed electrician here in NYC says outlets are not allowed in closets. But he puts them in for me. What's his name so I can report him ? Just kidding... Seriously I wonder why they don't allow them in a closet? You would likely be stacking stuff against the outlet. Just guessing. Not sure why the ceiling in a closet wouldn't be okay. -- Dan Espen |
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On Sun, 24 Feb 2013 19:52:39 -0500, Dan Espen
wrote: Doug writes: On Sun, 24 Feb 2013 18:48:38 -0500, Don Wiss wrote: On Sun, 24 Feb 2013, DerbyDad03 wrote: Not if the receptacle in the other room isn't on a 20 amp circuit... I think the OP wants a dedicated 20 amp for the cameras. My licensed electrician here in NYC says outlets are not allowed in closets. But he puts them in for me. What's his name so I can report him ? Just kidding... Seriously I wonder why they don't allow them in a closet? You would likely be stacking stuff against the outlet. Just guessing. Not sure why the ceiling in a closet wouldn't be okay. Still trapped heat. It would invite light bulbs, as well (same issue, really). |
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Dan Espen wrote:
Doug writes: On Sun, 24 Feb 2013 18:48:38 -0500, Don Wiss wrote: On Sun, 24 Feb 2013, DerbyDad03 wrote: Not if the receptacle in the other room isn't on a 20 amp circuit... I think the OP wants a dedicated 20 amp for the cameras. My licensed electrician here in NYC says outlets are not allowed in closets. But he puts them in for me. What's his name so I can report him ? Just kidding... Seriously I wonder why they don't allow them in a closet? You would likely be stacking stuff against the outlet. Just guessing. Not sure why the ceiling in a closet wouldn't be okay. They are not allowed in ceilings because the inspectors can never be sure that all receptacles will either be used or covered with a childproof insert. Exposed ceiling receptacles have been known to drop electrons on people's heads. |
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On Sun, 24 Feb 2013 19:52:39 -0500, Dan Espen
wrote: What's his name so I can report him ? Just kidding... Seriously I wonder why they don't allow them in a closet? You would likely be stacking stuff against the outlet. Just guessing. Not sure why the ceiling in a closet wouldn't be okay. A floor mount outlet unit is legal, not sure in a closet... |
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On Feb 24, 5:48*pm, Don Wiss wrote:
On Sun, 24 Feb 2013, DerbyDad03 wrote: Not if the receptacle in the other room isn't on a 20 amp circuit... I think the OP wants a dedicated 20 amp for the cameras. My licensed electrician here in NYC says outlets are not allowed in closets. But he puts them in for me. Nor are bare incandescent bulbs allowed. They must be covered or fluorescent. This I do follow. Don.www.donwiss.com(e-mail link at home page bottom). Is "not allowed" an NEC issue or local zoning?? |
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On Sun, 24 Feb 2013 18:06:37 -0600, Doug
wrote: What's his name so I can report him ? Just kidding... Seriously I wonder why they don't allow them in a closet? Idiots would be plugging space heaters into them. Or make it into a kitchenette with a hotplate. Handy place for a bedroom coffee maker. |
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On Sun, 24 Feb 2013 10:32:11 -0500, "Existential Angst"
wrote: wrote in message ... Don't know if this is allowable. Would like to move my security camera and DVR setup to a closet. No outlet in there now. This is going to be a 20A to power the cameras' power adapter, monitor and DVR Just run it off the lite.... What light? Millions of closets have no lights in them. |
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On Sun, 24 Feb 2013 22:41:47 -0500, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On Sun, 24 Feb 2013 18:06:37 -0600, Doug wrote: What's his name so I can report him ? Just kidding... Seriously I wonder why they don't allow them in a closet? Idiots would be plugging space heaters into them. Or make it into a kitchenette with a hotplate. Handy place for a bedroom coffee maker. Excellent point. I guess in certain cases the small cramped space could lead to fires because its mostly outa sight outa mind. Yep, I follow you. Thanks Ed for giving me a clue !! |
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On Sun, 24 Feb 2013 22:42:19 -0500, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On Sun, 24 Feb 2013 10:32:11 -0500, "Existential Angst" wrote: wrote in message ... Don't know if this is allowable. Would like to move my security camera and DVR setup to a closet. No outlet in there now. This is going to be a 20A to power the cameras' power adapter, monitor and DVR Just run it off the lite.... What light? Millions of closets have no lights in them. This is a tragedy. I'm founding LiFoClos, which will halep to bring lights to the dark closets of America. Our symbol will be a black ribbon, because it's so dark in there. |
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Ha! I just tripped off the breaker, and your
20 amp hand warmer is cold.... Christopher A. Young Learn more about Jesus www.lds.org .. "Jon Danniken" wrote in message ... Having a 20A circuit and not needing it is better than not having a 20A circuit when you do need it. You can take my 20A circuit when you pry it from my cold, dead fingers! Jon |
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Our campaign posters will be poor, under privileged
black children, sitting in dark closets, eating black licorice, drinking chocolate milk, and wearing black "do rags". The campaign just radiates success, and we havn't had our first fund raiser, yet. We'll have Jessie Blackson for guest speaker, and his pal the other negro preacher, Al Darkton. I'd like to be your publicity manager, with my radiant charm, people skills, and black humor. Christopher A. Young Learn more about Jesus www.lds.org .. "micky" wrote in message ... What light? Millions of closets have no lights in them. This is a tragedy. I'm founding LiFoClos, which will halep to bring lights to the dark closets of America. Our symbol will be a black ribbon, because it's so dark in there. |
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On Sunday, February 24, 2013 12:29:30 PM UTC-5, wrote:
On Feb 24, 9:56*am, DerbyDad03 wrote: wrote: Don't know if this is allowable. Would like to move my security camera and DVR setup to a closet. No outlet in there now. This is going to be a 20A to power the cameras' power adapter, monitor and DVR thanks richard 20 amps? 20 amp breaker, 20 amp receptacle, and 12 gauge wire for that small amount of electronics? Way overkill...unless the circuit is already present and you just want to extend it into the closet. It's still overkill, but if it's already nearby, then why not. As far as whether or not an outlet is allowed in a closet, I'm pretty sure there's an outlet in this closet. http://www.electronichouse.com/slide...egory/5861/895 Thanks folks. I know it is an overkill. Plan to upgrade to 16-camera unit. Just like an extra headroom, 4 cameras @ approx. 3A per 4- camera, that adds to 12A + DVD and monitor. Plus planning to add IR illuminators and plenty of spare 20's already in the main breaker that is unused. Still massively overkill. Find an outlet on one the walls adjacent to the closet and tap in there with a piece of 14/2. Some juristictions don't allow closet outlets but I've done a number so I could put electronics in a closet. |
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On Feb 24, 6:09*pm, "Cliff H" wrote:
I think you may have it figured out. *I'll bet he's looking at the wallwart and it says its 3A @ 12V, etc. I have installed many cameras, even the ones with 120' (yea right) IR lights and they are max 1A at 12 volts. OP install at least a quad and if you get into a lot of lights they make a power distribution box where you can hook it all up in one big box. I have 13 at one location and luckily found what I would call an octopus cable, one 110, a power supply and 8 outputs. its maybe 3A at 110. My oversight folks. I forgot that I was looking at DC. I think I'll go the distribution box as Cliff mentioned. I've got SMC data distribution box in there. I'll tap off of a J-box that's already in the attic feeding a 20A outlet circuit. thanks all, richard |
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Wes Groleau wrote:
On 02-24-2013 10:43, wrote: On Feb 24, 10:03 am, wrote: Don't know if this is allowable. Would like to move my security camera and DVR setup to a closet. No outlet in there now. This is going to be a 20A to power the cameras' power adapter, monitor and DVR Sure it's allowed. But why in the world would you need 20A for a security camera? They probably don't use that on a camera for NBC nightly news these days.... You should be 1 amp or so for all that you've listed. I'm more puzzled by the desire to put a security camera in a closet. Someone stealing your neckties? Thieves can destroy the DVR recordings, or take it with them. It's likely thieves might look in closets. It's likely thieves might break into locked closets if given enough time. My "early 60's house had string pull lights in all closets. My early 50's has none. Greg |
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jamesgang wrote:
On Sunday, February 24, 2013 12:29:30 PM UTC-5, wrote: On Feb 24, 9:56 am, DerbyDad03 wrote: wrote: Don't know if this is allowable. Would like to move my security camera and DVR setup to a closet. No outlet in there now. This is going to be a 20A to power the cameras' power adapter, monitor and DVR thanks richard 20 amps? 20 amp breaker, 20 amp receptacle, and 12 gauge wire for that small amount of electronics? Way overkill...unless the circuit is already present and you just want to extend it into the closet. It's still overkill, but if it's already nearby, then why not. As far as whether or not an outlet is allowed in a closet, I'm pretty sure there's an outlet in this closet. http://www.electronichouse.com/slide...egory/5861/895 Thanks folks. I know it is an overkill. Plan to upgrade to 16-camera unit. Just like an extra headroom, 4 cameras @ approx. 3A per 4- camera, that adds to 12A + DVD and monitor. Plus planning to add IR illuminators and plenty of spare 20's already in the main breaker that is unused. Still massively overkill. Find an outlet on one the walls adjacent to the closet and tap in there with a piece of 14/2. Some juristictions don't allow closet outlets but I've done a number so I could put electronics in a closet. As long as it's on a 15 amp breaker Greg |
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On Feb 25, 3:45*pm, jamesgang wrote:
On Sunday, February 24, 2013 12:29:30 PM UTC-5, wrote: On Feb 24, 9:56*am, DerbyDad03 wrote: wrote: Don't know if this is allowable. Would like to move my security camera and DVR setup to a closet. No outlet in there now. This is going to be a 20A to power the cameras' power adapter, monitor and DVR thanks richard 20 amps? 20 amp breaker, 20 amp receptacle, and 12 gauge wire for that small amount of electronics? Way overkill...unless the circuit is already present and you just want to extend it into the closet. It's still overkill, but if it's already nearby, then why not. As far as whether or not an outlet is allowed in a closet, I'm pretty sure there's an outlet in this closet. http://www.electronichouse.com/slide...5861/895Thanks folks. I know it is an overkill. Plan to upgrade to 16-camera unit. Just like an extra headroom, 4 cameras @ approx. 3A per 4- camera, that adds to 12A + DVD and monitor. Plus planning to add IR illuminators and plenty of spare 20's already in the main breaker that is unused. Still massively overkill. *Find an outlet on one the walls adjacent to the closet and tap in there with a piece of 14/2. *Some juristictions don't allow closet outlets but I've done a number so I could put electronics in a closet. Please use 14/3 or 14/2 with a ground. |
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On Sun, 24 Feb 2013 18:06:37 -0600, Doug wrote:
On Sun, 24 Feb 2013, Don Wiss wrote: My licensed electrician here in NYC says outlets are not allowed in closets. But he puts them in for me. Seriously I wonder why they don't allow them in a closet? I tried to find this on the web. NYC uses the NEC with changes. Like 6' instead of 3'. I was not able to find anything on the NYC web pages regarding outlets in closets. I called my electrician. He couldn't defend his comment about this from last Summer. I have to retract my comment. His father was my former electrician. They have the same first name. I half looked in my address book and I called his father first by mistake. It gave me a chance to give my condolences for his losing his Summer house in the Breezy Point fire. I got to ask a question I had been wondering. Which house had his personal belongings? Maybe the Breezy Point house was bought furnished and his personal stuff was in the Florida house? Nope. The Florida house was bought furnished and all personal things, including irreplaceable family heirlooms, were in the Breezy Point house. Bummer. Don. www.donwiss.com (e-mail link at home page bottom). |
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gregz wrote:
Thieves can destroy the DVR recordings, or take it with them. It's likely thieves might look in closets. It's likely thieves might break into locked closets if given enough time. My "early 60's house had string pull lights in all closets. My early 50's has none. Good point about the recording apparatus being accessible to the thieves! A few years ago, a couple of teenagers broke into a Maine small-town boat repair dock. Their goal was to steal some radios out of the boats. Oops! Once in, they noticed the cameras! Nothing for it but to burn the place down. Unfortunately, the cable ran up the hill to the office of the boat repair company to the recording equipment. It took the local constabulary about two minutes to recognize the culprits. Arrests followed within the hour. Here's where it gets tricky. The seventeen-year old (an adult) got, after restitution, a five-year probated sentence. The fifteen-year old was turned over to the Secret Service inasmuch as one of the burned boats belonged to George H.W. Bush. The juvenile was charged with domestic terrorism and ordered confined to the only federal juvenile maximum-security facility, in Pennsylvania, until he turned twenty-one. So, then, this rosy-cheeked snowflake will be locked up for six years with a passel of drunken Indians. |
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On Mon, 25 Feb 2013 23:55:15 -0500, Don Wiss
wrote: On Sun, 24 Feb 2013 18:06:37 -0600, Doug wrote: On Sun, 24 Feb 2013, Don Wiss wrote: My licensed electrician here in NYC says outlets are not allowed in closets. But he puts them in for me. Seriously I wonder why they don't allow them in a closet? I tried to find this on the web. NYC uses the NEC with changes. Like 6' instead of 3'. I was not able to find anything on the NYC web pages regarding outlets in closets. I called my electrician. He couldn't defend his comment about this from last Summer. I have to retract my comment. His father was my former electrician. They have the same first name. I half looked in my address book and I called his father first by mistake. It gave me a chance to give my condolences for his losing his Summer house in the Breezy Point fire. I got to ask a question I had been wondering. Which house had his personal belongings? Maybe the Breezy Point house was bought furnished and his personal stuff was in the Florida house? Nope. The Florida house was bought furnished and all personal things, including irreplaceable family heirlooms, were in the Breezy Point house. Bummer. Don. www.donwiss.com (e-mail link at home page bottom). Thanks and sorry to hear about your former electrician. I can only imagine the pain of losing objects that can't be replaced. Well, the good thing is ...he's still alive. |
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