We have a queen size Murphy bed in a bedroom that was supposed to double
as an office. I built in using kit hardware.

Now I'd like to have a 60" wide fold down table/desk attached to the
closed bed, but the table needs to be able to fold up out of the way
when the bed is lowered. Something like this
http://www.ikea.com/us/en/catalog/products/S79847779/#/S99821537 but I
haven't bought anything yet.

I don't see a problem with attaching a hinged 30" x 60" table top to the
bed, but what are some ideas of holding it open?

The bed is about 62" wide.

I could use chains, but I think this would look funky.

None of the fold-out shelf brackets are good for a 30" deep table top.
There are some non-folding 22" brackets
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B002TII0JY/.

I thought about two hinged 24" wide panels that fold out horizontally
and support the desk.

On 1/14/2013 2:06 PM, SMS wrote:
We have a queen size Murphy bed in a bedroom that was supposed to double
as an office. I built in using kit hardware.

Now I'd like to have a 60" wide fold down table/desk attached to the
closed bed, but the table needs to be able to fold up out of the way
when the bed is lowered. Something like this
http://www.ikea.com/us/en/catalog/products/S79847779/#/S99821537 but I
haven't bought anything yet.

I don't see a problem with attaching a hinged 30" x 60" table top to the
bed, but what are some ideas of holding it open?

The bed is about 62" wide.

I could use chains, but I think this would look funky.

None of the fold-out shelf brackets are good for a 30" deep table top.
There are some non-folding 22" brackets
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B002TII0JY/.

I thought about two hinged 24" wide panels that fold out horizontally
and support the desk.


i would make it fold down. it'll be a lot easier than pushing it up, and
probably can be hidden behind something.

i'd also probably use a couple of fold down legs for the outside corners.

On 1/14/2013 1:13 PM, chaniarts wrote:
On 1/14/2013 2:06 PM, SMS wrote:
We have a queen size Murphy bed in a bedroom that was supposed to double
as an office. I built in using kit hardware.

Now I'd like to have a 60" wide fold down table/desk attached to the
closed bed, but the table needs to be able to fold up out of the way
when the bed is lowered. Something like this
http://www.ikea.com/us/en/catalog/products/S79847779/#/S99821537 but I
haven't bought anything yet.

I don't see a problem with attaching a hinged 30" x 60" table top to the
bed, but what are some ideas of holding it open?

The bed is about 62" wide.

I could use chains, but I think this would look funky.

None of the fold-out shelf brackets are good for a 30" deep table top.
There are some non-folding 22" brackets
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B002TII0JY/.

I thought about two hinged 24" wide panels that fold out horizontally
and support the desk.


i would make it fold down. it'll be a lot easier than pushing it up, and
probably can be hidden behind something.

i'd also probably use a couple of fold down legs for the outside corners.

Whenever the bed is not in use as a bed the table would be folded down,
so nothing needs to be hidden.

To keep the folded depth down, I think I will need to fold the table up,
so the legs, whatever I use, can fold in or down.

On 1/14/2013 4:13 PM, chaniarts wrote:
On 1/14/2013 2:06 PM, SMS wrote:
We have a queen size Murphy bed in a bedroom that was supposed to double
as an office. I built in using kit hardware.

Now I'd like to have a 60" wide fold down table/desk attached to the
closed bed, but the table needs to be able to fold up out of the way
when the bed is lowered. Something like this
http://www.ikea.com/us/en/catalog/products/S79847779/#/S99821537 but I
haven't bought anything yet.

I don't see a problem with attaching a hinged 30" x 60" table top to the
bed, but what are some ideas of holding it open?

The bed is about 62" wide.

I could use chains, but I think this would look funky.

None of the fold-out shelf brackets are good for a 30" deep table top.
There are some non-folding 22" brackets
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B002TII0JY/.

I thought about two hinged 24" wide panels that fold out horizontally
and support the desk.


i would make it fold down. it'll be a lot easier than pushing it up, and
probably can be hidden behind something.

i'd also probably use a couple of fold down legs for the outside corners.

Not this one in particular, but something along the lines of
http://www.ikea.com/us/en/catalog/products/80091713/ ?

Or stumbled across
http://www.hardwaresource.com/hinges...+Shelf+Hinges/
..
This one has some interesting looking hinges - either for the table to
wall, or for legs (ala card table legs)

Take the above with a grain of salt as I'm not at all hardware inclined.
But I did look at a small house once and wondered about getting a fold
out dining table.

On 1/14/2013 4:06 PM, SMS wrote:
We have a queen size Murphy bed in a bedroom that was supposed to double
as an office. I built in using kit hardware.

Now I'd like to have a 60" wide fold down table/desk attached to the
closed bed, but the table needs to be able to fold up out of the way
when the bed is lowered. Something like this
http://www.ikea.com/us/en/catalog/products/S79847779/#/S99821537 but I
haven't bought anything yet.

I don't see a problem with attaching a hinged 30" x 60" table top to the
bed, but what are some ideas of holding it open?

The bed is about 62" wide.

I could use chains, but I think this would look funky.

None of the fold-out shelf brackets are good for a 30" deep table top.
There are some non-folding 22" brackets
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B002TII0JY/.

I thought about two hinged 24" wide panels that fold out horizontally
and support the desk.


Do you plan to use both the bed and the desk, back and forth? Your
first link to the panel is for a pretty heavy product...is the bed
secure with the weight of the panel added? I'd be inclined to find a
lighter panel for the desk surface....foam-board with some wood braces
enclosed in laminate (or that may be just as heavy) ) A panel
attached to the bed/wall with a piano hinge, two or three folding (a la
cardtables) legs on the opposite side.

On 1/14/2013 2:05 PM, Norminn wrote:
On 1/14/2013 4:06 PM, SMS wrote:
We have a queen size Murphy bed in a bedroom that was supposed to double
as an office. I built in using kit hardware.

Now I'd like to have a 60" wide fold down table/desk attached to the
closed bed, but the table needs to be able to fold up out of the way
when the bed is lowered. Something like this
http://www.ikea.com/us/en/catalog/products/S79847779/#/S99821537 but I
haven't bought anything yet.

I don't see a problem with attaching a hinged 30" x 60" table top to the
bed, but what are some ideas of holding it open?

The bed is about 62" wide.

I could use chains, but I think this would look funky.

None of the fold-out shelf brackets are good for a 30" deep table top.
There are some non-folding 22" brackets
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B002TII0JY/.

I thought about two hinged 24" wide panels that fold out horizontally
and support the desk.


Do you plan to use both the bed and the desk, back and forth? Your
first link to the panel is for a pretty heavy product...is the bed
secure with the weight of the panel added? I'd be inclined to find a
lighter panel for the desk surface....foam-board with some wood braces
enclosed in laminate (or that may be just as heavy) ) A panel
attached to the bed/wall with a piano hinge, two or three folding (a la
cardtables) legs on the opposite side.

The bed is very secure, it's lag bolted to the wall and the front of the
bed when folded is 3/4" plywood.

I'm also thinking of a hollow core door, cut down to 62". I've
disassembled hollow core doors to shorten them before.

The other option is 30" x 60" panel that either folds down onto some
rolling cabinets, or is just placed on the rolling cabinets.

We probably only use the bed as a bed 8-10 days out of the year, so this
doesn't have to be a solution that's quick and easy to convert.

What it has to be is sufficiently non-kludgy looking, when all in place,
so SWMBO doesn't scream that it's got to be gotten rid of.

I thought about the Harbor Freight work bench
http://www.harborfreight.com/garage-shop/workbench/60-inch-workbench-93454.html
for $128, with the legs shortened and casters added as a base then the
30 x 60 panel folding down on top of that. The base could be rolled out
of the room when the bed has to be used. It's already the proper finish.

SMS wrote:
We have a queen size Murphy bed in a bedroom that was supposed to double
as an office. I built in using kit hardware.

Now I'd like to have a 60" wide fold down table/desk attached to the
closed bed, but the table needs to be able to fold up out of the way when
the bed is lowered. Something like this
http://www.ikea.com/us/en/catalog/products/S79847779/#/S99821537 but I
haven't bought anything yet.

I don't see a problem with attaching a hinged 30" x 60" table top to the
bed, but what are some ideas of holding it open?

The bed is about 62" wide.

I could use chains, but I think this would look funky.

None of the fold-out shelf brackets are good for a 30" deep table top.
There are some non-folding 22" brackets http://www.amazon.com/dp/B002TII0JY/.

I thought about two hinged 24" wide panels that fold out horizontally and support the desk.

What about something like these?

http://www.rockler.com/product.cfm?page=21733

Look around the Rockler site for other options.

"SMS" wrote in message
...
We have a queen size Murphy bed in a bedroom that was supposed to double
as an office. I built in using kit hardware.

Now I'd like to have a 60" wide fold down table/desk attached to the
closed bed, but the table needs to be able to fold up out of the way when
the bed is lowered. Something like this
http://www.ikea.com/us/en/catalog/products/S79847779/#/S99821537 but I
haven't bought anything yet.

I don't see a problem with attaching a hinged 30" x 60" table top to the
bed, but what are some ideas of holding it open?

The bed is about 62" wide.

I could use chains, but I think this would look funky.

None of the fold-out shelf brackets are good for a 30" deep table top.
There are some non-folding 22" brackets
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B002TII0JY/.

I thought about two hinged 24" wide panels that fold out horizontally and
support the desk.


What ever you do, you have use legs. You are not going to be able to support
a 5 foot log table with only 2 foot long supports. It would either warp or
even break in two with the slightest of weight.

Also legs make sure the table would be level. If the bed is a little off
plumb the table will not be level.

SMS wrote:
We have a queen size Murphy bed in a bedroom that was supposed to
double as an office. I built in using kit hardware.

Now I'd like to have a 60" wide fold down table/desk attached to the
closed bed, but the table needs to be able to fold up out of the way
when the bed is lowered. Something like this
http://www.ikea.com/us/en/catalog/products/S79847779/#/S99821537
but I haven't bought anything yet.

I don't see a problem with attaching a hinged 30" x 60" table top to
the bed, but what are some ideas of holding it open?

The bed is about 62" wide.

I could use chains, but I think this would look funky.

Doesn't have to, certainly easy.

None of the fold-out shelf brackets are good for a 30" deep table top.
There are some non-folding 22" brackets
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B002TII0JY/.

I thought about two hinged 24" wide panels that fold out horizontally
and support the desk.

You really only have two possibilities...

1. Support the open table from the top
a) flexible (chain or rope)
b) rigid (sliding or folding stays)

2. Support the open table from the bottom
a) attached to the table bottom (fold down)
b) attached to the bed (fold out)
c) rigid (sliding or folding stays)

In either case, you only need two points of support for the table since it
will be attached at the back to the bottom of the bed. Those supports need
not be at outboard edge of the table, 2/3 of the way should be fine assuming
that the table top is reasonably rigid.

For rigid stays, I am thinking of something like lid stays such as these but
bigger. Not all that hard to make from wood.

http://www.google.com/#hl=en&sugexp=... =939&bih=533

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On 01/15/13 7:40 AM, dadiOH wrote:
SMS wrote:
We have a queen size Murphy bed in a bedroom that was supposed to
double as an office. I built in using kit hardware.

Now I'd like to have a 60" wide fold down table/desk attached to the
closed bed, but the table needs to be able to fold up out of the way
when the bed is lowered. Something like this
http://www.ikea.com/us/en/catalog/products/S79847779/#/S99821537
but I haven't bought anything yet.

I don't see a problem with attaching a hinged 30" x 60" table top to
the bed, but what are some ideas of holding it open?

The bed is about 62" wide.

I could use chains, but I think this would look funky.

Doesn't have to, certainly easy.

None of the fold-out shelf brackets are good for a 30" deep table top.
There are some non-folding 22" brackets
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B002TII0JY/.

I thought about two hinged 24" wide panels that fold out horizontally
and support the desk.

You really only have two possibilities...

1. Support the open table from the top
a) flexible (chain or rope)
b) rigid (sliding or folding stays)

2. Support the open table from the bottom
a) attached to the table bottom (fold down)
b) attached to the bed (fold out)
c) rigid (sliding or folding stays)

In either case, you only need two points of support for the table since it
will be attached at the back to the bottom of the bed. Those supports need
not be at outboard edge of the table, 2/3 of the way should be fine assuming
that the table top is reasonably rigid.

For rigid stays, I am thinking of something like lid stays such as these but
bigger. Not all that hard to make from wood.




...link snipped due to length...

Your link takes me to the Google search page for "lid stays". There's no
indication of which lid stay you are suggesting.

In addition, my usenet server won't let me reply with your link included
because of the 79 characters per line limit. The link is 292 characters.

Just thought you'd like to know.

DerbyDad03 wrote:
Your link takes me to the Google search page for "lid stays". There's
no indication of which lid stay you are suggesting.

I wasn't suggesting any of them, just linked to the page in case OP wasn't
familiar with lid stays.

In addition, my usenet server won't let me reply with your link
included because of the 79 characters per line limit. The link is 292
characters.

Get a different server?

Just thought you'd like to know.

Thanks.



--

dadiOH
____________________________

Winters getting colder? Tired of the rat race?
Taxes out of hand? Maybe just ready for a change?
Check it out... http://www.floridaloghouse.net

On Jan 15, 11:46*am, "dadiOH" wrote:
DerbyDad03 wrote:
Your link takes me to the Google search page for "lid stays". There's
no indication of which lid stay you are suggesting.

I wasn't suggesting any of them, just linked to the page in case OP wasn't
familiar with lid stays.

Oh. This comment led me to believe that you had a specific lid stay in
mind, which you thought could be made of wood:

"Not all that hard to make from wood."


In addition, my usenet server won't let me reply with your link
included because of the 79 characters per line limit. The link is 292
characters.

Get a different server? *

Use tinyurl


Just thought you'd like to know.

Thanks.


You are most welcome.