Hi,

My cabinet maker tells me that this kind of hinge:

http://freeboundaries.com/Hinge.jpg

unavoidably leads to this type of gap:

http://freeboundaries.com/Gap.jpg

I can't see how that can be an acceptable gap. Am I correct and, if so, what arguments can I use with the cabinet maker. (If I may request, please don't comment on other flaws that are evident from the picture.

Thank you!

Sam

Sam,

Would you indicate which gap you find offensive. Top? Left? Right?

Dave M.

On 11/6/2012 5:44 PM, wrote:
Hi,

My cabinet maker tells me that this kind of hinge:

http://freeboundaries.com/Hinge.jpg

Which is which specific hinge (manufacturer, model, mounting bracket if
separately specified)????

unavoidably leads to this type of gap:

http://freeboundaries.com/Gap.jpg

I can't see how that can be an acceptable gap....

If you mean that the door appears to be in a bind on the left so it
doesn't fully close, then "no", the properly specified and installed
hinge will not have any such problem...

Problem in answering the question is that can't know if the hinge is
correct for the application w/o more data than provided...

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On 11-06-2012 18:44, wrote:
My cabinet maker tells me that this kind of hinge:

http://freeboundaries.com/Hinge.jpg

unavoidably leads to this type of gap:

http://freeboundaries.com/Gap.jpg

I can't see how that can be an acceptable gap. Am I correct and, if so, what arguments can I use with the cabinet maker. (If I may request, please don't comment on other flaws that are evident from the picture.

I'm not an expert, but I've had those kind of hinges and I think
he's "sort of" telling the truth to deceive you. Those hinges
have adjustment screws in them. They can be adjusted to make
the door line up properly.

--
Wes Groleau

€œWould the prodigal have gone home if
the elder brother was running the farm?€�
€” James Jordan

On Nov 6, 7:46*pm, Wes Groleau wrote:
On 11-06-2012 18:44, wrote:

My cabinet maker tells me that this kind of hinge:

http://freeboundaries.com/Hinge.jpg

unavoidably leads to this type of gap:

http://freeboundaries.com/Gap.jpg

I can't see how that can be an acceptable gap. Am I correct and, if so, what arguments can I use with the cabinet maker. (If I may request, please don't comment on other flaws that are evident from the picture.

I'm not an expert, but I've had those kind of hinges and I think
he's "sort of" telling the truth to deceive you. *Those hinges
have adjustment screws in them. *They can be adjusted to make
the door line up properly.

--
Wes Groleau

* * “Would the prodigal have gone home if
* * *the elder brother was running the farm?”
* * * * * * * * * * * *— James Jordan

Yes, and if there aren't any adjustment screws, any competent
carpenter can mount the hinges so that there is a negligible
difference in a very small gap on all 4 sides of the door (assuming
the rest of the cabinet is truly square and the door is not warped).

Hi,

Thank you for the responses. They really help.

I know I also confused a lot of people, too. So I also took a short video illustrating the problem.

Many thanks,

Sam

Here it is:

http://freeboundaries.com/Hinge.mov

On Nov 6, 11:44*pm, wrote:
Hi,

My cabinet maker tells me that this kind of hinge:

http://freeboundaries.com/Hinge.jpg

unavoidably leads to this type of gap:

http://freeboundaries.com/Gap.jpg

I can't see how that can be an acceptable gap. Am I correct and, if so, what arguments can I use with the cabinet maker. (If I may request, please don't comment on other flaws that are evident from the picture.

Thank you!

Sam

The cabinet door is possibly warped.
This could be hidden by adjusting so that the unequal gap was at the
bottom of the door and invisible.
Or a new door. The proper solution.

Sam,

Thanks for the video. Yes, the gap is huge and unacceptable. There are
adjusting screws on the hinges. Have you tried these adjustments? If the
adjustment has "maxed out" and you still have a large gap then he may have
not mounted the hinges in the correct places. There are jigs to locate the
holes for these sorts of hinges.

Dave M

On 11/7/2012 7:49 AM, David L. Martel wrote:
Sam,

Thanks for the video. Yes, the gap is huge and unacceptable. There are
adjusting screws on the hinges. Have you tried these adjustments? If the
adjustment has "maxed out" and you still have a large gap then he may have
not mounted the hinges in the correct places. There are jigs to locate the
holes for these sorts of hinges.

Or he may not have used the proper mount for the setback and thickness
of face frame...not possible to tell w/o knowing the answers to the
questions asked above as well as dimensions...

But obviously adjustment is first step and if they're appropriate and
mounted correctly the door can be aligned properly as well (unless it's
out of square or plane or somesuch which given the looks of the rest is
also a reasonable probability...

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Thank you!

The face is 3/4" stock, and I will try to find out the brand and the model today.

Thanks again,

Sam

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Hi,

My cabinet maker tells me that this kind of hinge:

http://freeboundaries.com/Hinge.jpg

unavoidably leads to this type of gap:

http://freeboundaries.com/Gap.jpg

I can't see how that can be an acceptable gap. Am I correct and, if so,
what arguments can I use with the cabinet maker. (If I may request,
please don't comment on other flaws that are evident from the picture.

Thank you!

Sam

The only way it leads to that gap, is it's not adjusted or mounted
correctly. I have that type of hinge mounted with 3/4" maple. In fact, I
have to adjust a couple of them, because I'm getting a gap, but not as
large as you have.

If I find the time, I will post it later today.

Thank you, that would be very much appreciated.

Meanwhile, here's the actual hinge used:

http://freeboundaries.com/HingeModel.pdf

Thanks again,

Sam

wrote in message
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Thank you, that would be very much appreciated.

Meanwhile, here's the actual hinge used:

http://freeboundaries.com/HingeModel.pdf

Thanks again,

Sam

Let me know if the link doesn't work for you. For some reason, it was
acting funky. I definitely have same kind of hinges.

http://picasaweb.google.com/Roofguy35/KitchenHingesBlum

On Nov 8, 1:57*pm, "Kronos" wrote:
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Thank you, that would be very much appreciated.

Meanwhile, here's the actual hinge used:

http://freeboundaries.com/HingeModel.pdf

Thanks again,

Sam

Let me know if the link doesn't work for you. For some reason, it was
acting funky. *I definitely have same kind of hinges.

http://picasaweb.google.com/Roofguy35/KitchenHingesBlum

Your doors are my winter project!

I have stick built cabinets and I don't want to lose the openess of
the interior by replacing them with indivdual boxes. However, the
doors are getting very old looking. I like the simple style of your
doors.

Do me a favor, verify these dimensions: the frames are 3/4" stock, the
panel is 1/4", right?

How snug is the panel?

Is there a bevel where the frame meets the panel on the exterior?

What kind of wood are the frames and the panel. I assume the panel is
veneered pywood, right?

Any info you can provide would help me take the plunge and get
started. Thanks!

On 11/8/2012 9:44 AM, wrote:
Thank you, that would be very much appreciated.

Meanwhile, here's the actual hinge used:

http://freeboundaries.com/HingeModel.pdf
....

You've not really provided the details sufficient to tell anything--the
picture doesn't show the mounting, you've not indicated whether the hole
depth/positioning follows the spec (if somebody tried this freehand
instead of biting the bullet for the jig all bets are off), etc., etc.,
etc., ...

As noted by many, _assuming_ the hinge is mounted properly, there's
adjustment in all three directions--up/down, left/right, in/out to get
the door to fit properly.

Of course, as noted, if the face frames aren't coplanar or are twisted
or the depth is wrong or whatever else, then you may not be able to get
them adjusted well...

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DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Nov 8, 1:57 pm, "Kronos" wrote:
wrote in message

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Thank you, that would be very much appreciated.

Meanwhile, here's the actual hinge used:

http://freeboundaries.com/HingeModel.pdf

Thanks again,

Sam

Let me know if the link doesn't work for you. For some reason, it was
acting funky. I definitely have same kind of hinges.

http://picasaweb.google.com/Roofguy35/KitchenHingesBlum

Your doors are my winter project!

I have stick built cabinets and I don't want to lose the openess of
the interior by replacing them with indivdual boxes. However, the
doors are getting very old looking. I like the simple style of your
doors.

Do me a favor, verify these dimensions: the frames are 3/4" stock, the
panel is 1/4", right?

How snug is the panel?

Is there a bevel where the frame meets the panel on the exterior?

What kind of wood are the frames and the panel. I assume the panel is
veneered pywood, right?

Any info you can provide would help me take the plunge and get
started. Thanks!

Hate to disappoint you, but these are Chinese cabinets! I searched high &
low for a quality cabinet. I am still able to get contractor pricing at
supply houses, but everything you want is an upgrade. Anyways, found a
place not far from me, which sells knocked down cabinets from China, much
better quality than I could even find at the Kraftmaid manufacturer, which
isn't far me either!
http://www.windyhillhardwoods.com/

The cabinets are maple with a cherry stain. The panels are loose for
expansion/contraction, I put a dab of silicone on the inside on a couple of
the panels, which were a bit to loose to my liking. They are 1/4" panels &
3/4" maple rails & stiles.

I added a picture of detail for the doors, there is a bevel. We too liked
the simple style, figure it will never go out of style!

The custom I added was the molding above & below the cabinets. Everything
else, 6 ply plywood sides, dovetailed drawers, 3/4" solid maple shelving,
etc came from China.

"Kronos" wrote:
DerbyDad03 wrote:


Do me a favor, verify these dimensions: the frames are 3/4" stock, the
panel is 1/4", right?

How snug is the panel?

Is there a bevel where the frame meets the panel on the exterior?

What kind of wood are the frames and the panel. I assume the panel is
veneered pywood, right?

Any info you can provide would help me take the plunge and get
started. Thanks!

Hate to disappoint you, but these are Chinese cabinets! I searched high &
low for a quality cabinet. I am still able to get contractor pricing at
supply houses, but everything you want is an upgrade. Anyways, found a
place not far from me, which sells knocked down cabinets from China, much
better quality than I could even find at the Kraftmaid manufacturer, which
isn't far me either!
http://www.windyhillhardwoods.com/

The cabinets are maple with a cherry stain. The panels are loose for
expansion/contraction, I put a dab of silicone on the inside on a couple of
the panels, which were a bit to loose to my liking. They are 1/4" panels &
3/4" maple rails & stiles.

I added a picture of detail for the doors, there is a bevel. We too liked
the simple style, figure it will never go out of style!

The custom I added was the molding above & below the cabinets. Everything
else, 6 ply plywood sides, dovetailed drawers, 3/4" solid maple shelving,
etc came from China.

Thanks for the extra picture. That's not a bevel, that's a piece of
moulding as far as I can tell, but that's fine. Even easier than a bevel.
;-)

"Kronos" wrote:
DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Nov 8, 1:57 pm, "Kronos" wrote:

http://picasaweb.google.com/Roofguy35/KitchenHingesBlum

I added a picture of detail for the doors, there is a bevel. We too liked
the simple style, figure it will never go out of style!

The custom I added was the molding above & below the cabinets. Everything
else, 6 ply plywood sides, dovetailed drawers, 3/4" solid maple shelving,
etc came from China.

Thanks for the extra picture. It looks like they added a strip of molding
around the inside of the frame. Easier than a bevel.

"DerbyDad03" wrote in message
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"Kronos" wrote:
DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Nov 8, 1:57 pm, "Kronos" wrote:

http://picasaweb.google.com/Roofguy35/KitchenHingesBlum

I added a picture of detail for the doors, there is a bevel. We too
liked
the simple style, figure it will never go out of style!

The custom I added was the molding above & below the cabinets.
Everything
else, 6 ply plywood sides, dovetailed drawers, 3/4" solid maple
shelving,
etc came from China.

Thanks for the extra picture. It looks like they added a strip of molding
around the inside of the frame. Easier than a bevel.

Nope, it's a routered edge. A piece of moulding would work!