If you can't get cell reception, move to high ground and you may be
able to reach towers that are in working condition.

https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/?ui...4 644a2ce0a93

Both the National Hurricane Center and the American Red Cross have
developed specific guidelines for Hurricane supply kits. A hurricane
survival kit is merely a specialized version of your disaster supply
kit. It should include provisions to carry you through a week or two
after a storm or other disaster. Our hurricane preparation page
includes additional recommendations based on experiences of real
people who have been through similar situations. Remember, the more
water, food, and other items you have the better off you will be in
the event of an emergency.
http://www.hurricane.com/
You will be able to assist family and friends if needed.
https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/?ui...f0 c7db62d312
Some companies include pre-assembled survival kits that include water
purification tablets and more. They can be useful in addition to your
own kit.

Our own version increases some of their recommendations and includes
some additional items that are helpful in our experience.

Remember to print hard copy of any documents you need - instructions,
tips or anything in case you have no power.

Water - at least 1 gallon daily per person for 7 to 10 days. Katrina
and Wilma should have emphasized the importance of having sufficient
water on hand. Don't forget some for your pets.
Food - at least enough for 3 to 7 days
— non-perishable packaged or canned food / juices
— foods for infants or the elderly
— snack foods (Peanut butter; mixed PBJ; breakfast bars; crackers;
canned fruit; raisins; chips;
— non-electric can opener
— cooking tools / fuel
— paper plates / plastic utensils / paper cups
— trash bags and duct tape - useful for clean-up, or patching leaks in
an emergency
An ax to use if you stay and need to escape from your house - or other
uses
Blankets / Pillows, etc.
Clothing - seasonal / rain gear/ sturdy shoes
First Aid Kit / Medicines / Prescription Drugs
Special Items - for babies and the elderly
Toiletries / Hygiene items / Moisture wipes
Bug spray, Cortisone for bug bites
Sunscreen & Lotion
Tarp to cover holes if needed.
Bleach
Water purification tablets
Waterless soap saves water for drinking
Flashlight / Batteries
Radio - Battery operated and NOAA weather radio
Battery operated television, with extra batteries.
Cash - Banks and ATMs may not be open or available for extended
periods. Make sure you have small bills because it will often be
difficult to get change, I you only have a $100 and water is $10 for a
case and you are limited to one case, you do not want to have the
choice of paying $100 or having no water.
Keys to house, cars, boats etc
Toys, Books and Games
Important documents - in a waterproof container or watertight
resealable plastic bag
— insurance, medical records, bank account numbers, Social Security
card, etc. Don't forget your re-entry documents (e.g. stickers or
passes). Many barrier islands require some documentation in order to
return. Keep important phone number here. You may know them, but a
loved one may not.
Tools - keep a set with you during the storm. A pocket knife, nails, a
hammer and rope are important elements. Towels and buckets are useful
too if you develop a leak.
Vehicle fuel tanks filled
Pet care items
— proper identification / immunization records / medications
— ample supply of food and water
— a carrier or cage
— muzzle and leash
Hurricane Tips
If you can't get cell reception, move to high ground and you may be
able to reach towers that are in working condition.
Have a non-cordless plug in phone (a no-frills, phone that only plugs
into the phone outlet and does not need its own power supply). Often
phone lines will work, but without power, corldess phones will not
work.

Very good information. Hurricane kit tips, can be found on the web. With the
one off the east coast, we may be in for one in a couple days. Government
lists always neglect self defense weapons as an item. After Katrena, we saw
violence, and illegal government gun confiscation. Citizens were endangered,
both by criminals, and government. Citizens were also loaded onto cattle
cars (busses), and shipped to concentration camps (Super Dome).

Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
..

"CRAIG ORAL SOMERFORD" wrote in message
...
If you can't get cell reception, move to high ground and you may be
able to reach towers that are in working condition.

https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/?ui...4 644a2ce0a93

Both the National Hurricane Center and the American Red Cross have
developed specific guidelines for Hurricane supply kits. A hurricane
survival kit is merely a specialized version of your disaster supply
kit. It should include provisions to carry you through a week or two
after a storm or other disaster. Our hurricane preparation page
includes additional recommendations based on experiences of real
people who have been through similar situations. Remember, the more
water, food, and other items you have the better off you will be in
the event of an emergency.
http://www.hurricane.com/
You will be able to assist family and friends if needed.
https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/?ui...c7db62d312Some companies include pre-assembled survival kits that include waterpurification tablets and more. They can be useful in addition to yourown kit.Our own version increases some of their recommendations and includessome additional items that are helpful in our experience.Remember to print hard copy of any documents you need - instructions,tips or anything in case you have no power.Water - at least 1 gallon daily per person for 7 to 10 days. Katrinaand Wilma should have emphasized the importance of having sufficien****er on hand. Don't forget some for your pets.Food - at least enough for 3 to 7 days— non-perishable packaged or canned food / juices— foods for infants or the elderly— snack foods (Peanut butter; mixed PBJ; breakfast bars; crackers;canned fruit; raisins; chips;— non-electric can opener— cooking tools / fuel— paper plates / plastic utensils / paper cups— trash bags and duct tape - useful for clean-up, or patching leaks inan emergencyAn ax to use if you stay and need to escape from your house - or otherusesBlankets / Pillows, etc.Clothing - seasonal / rain gear/ sturdy shoesFirst Aid Kit / Medicines / Prescription DrugsSpecial Items - for babies and the elderlyToiletries / Hygiene items / Moisture wipesBug spray, Cortisone for bug bitesSunscreen & LotionTarp to cover holes if needed.BleachWater purification tabletsWaterless soap saves water for drinkingFlashlight / BatteriesRadio - Battery operated and NOAA weather radioBattery operated television, with extra batteries.Cash - Banks and ATMs may not be open or available for extendedperiods. Make sure you have small bills because it will often bedifficult to get change, I you only have a $100 and water is $10 for acase and you are limited to one case, you do not want to have thechoice of paying $100 or having no water.Keys to house, cars, boats etcToys, Books and GamesImportant documents - in a waterproof container or watertightresealable plastic bag— insurance, medical records, bank account numbers, Social Securitycard, etc. Don't forget your re-entry documents (e.g. stickers orpasses). Many barrier islands require some documentation in order toreturn. Keep important phone number here. You may know them, but aloved one may not.Tools - keep a set with you during the storm. A pocket knife, nails, ahammer and rope are important elements. Towels and buckets are usefultoo if you develop a leak.Vehicle fuel tanks filledPet care items— proper identification / immunization records / medications— ample supply of food and water— a carrier or cage— muzzle and leashHurricane TipsIf you can't get cell reception, move to high ground and you may beable to reach towers that are in working condition.Have a non-cordless plug in phone (a no-frills, phone that only plugsinto the phone outlet and does not need its own power supply). Oftenphone lines will work, but without power, corldess phones will notwork.

On Wed, 24 Oct 2012 13:55:34 -0700 (PDT), CRAIG ORAL SOMERFORD
wrote:

Hurricane Tips

Have you even been in a hurricane? How many?

CRAIG ORAL SOMERFORD wrote:
If you can't get cell reception, move to high ground and you may be
able to reach towers that are in working condition.

https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/?ui...4 644a2ce0a93

Both the National Hurricane Center and the American Red Cross have
developed specific guidelines for Hurricane supply kits. A hurricane
survival kit is merely a specialized version of your disaster supply
kit. It should include provisions to carry you through a week or two
after a storm or other disaster. Our hurricane preparation page
includes additional recommendations based on experiences of real
people who have been through similar situations. Remember, the more
water, food, and other items you have the better off you will be in
the event of an emergency.
http://www.hurricane.com/
You will be able to assist family and friends if needed.

https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/?ui...f0 c7db62d312
Some companies include pre-assembled survival kits that include water
purification tablets and more. They can be useful in addition to your
own kit.

Our own version increases some of their recommendations and includes
some additional items that are helpful in our experience.

Remember to print hard copy of any documents you need - instructions,
tips or anything in case you have no power.

Water - at least 1 gallon daily per person for 7 to 10 days. Katrina
and Wilma should have emphasized the importance of having sufficient
water on hand. Don't forget some for your pets.
Food - at least enough for 3 to 7 days
— non-perishable packaged or canned food / juices
— foods for infants or the elderly
— snack foods (Peanut butter; mixed PBJ; breakfast bars; crackers;
canned fruit; raisins; chips;
— non-electric can opener
— cooking tools / fuel
— paper plates / plastic utensils / paper cups
— trash bags and duct tape - useful for clean-up, or patching leaks in
an emergency
An ax to use if you stay and need to escape from your house - or other
uses
Blankets / Pillows, etc.
Clothing - seasonal / rain gear/ sturdy shoes
First Aid Kit / Medicines / Prescription Drugs
Special Items - for babies and the elderly
Toiletries / Hygiene items / Moisture wipes
Bug spray, Cortisone for bug bites
Sunscreen & Lotion
Tarp to cover holes if needed.
Bleach
Water purification tablets
Waterless soap saves water for drinking
Flashlight / Batteries
Radio - Battery operated and NOAA weather radio
Battery operated television, with extra batteries.
Cash - Banks and ATMs may not be open or available for extended
periods. Make sure you have small bills because it will often be
difficult to get change, I you only have a $100 and water is $10 for a
case and you are limited to one case, you do not want to have the
choice of paying $100 or having no water.
Keys to house, cars, boats etc
Toys, Books and Games
Important documents - in a waterproof container or watertight
resealable plastic bag
— insurance, medical records, bank account numbers, Social Security
card, etc. Don't forget your re-entry documents (e.g. stickers or
passes). Many barrier islands require some documentation in order to
return. Keep important phone number here. You may know them, but a
loved one may not.
Tools - keep a set with you during the storm. A pocket knife, nails, a
hammer and rope are important elements. Towels and buckets are useful
too if you develop a leak.
Vehicle fuel tanks filled
Pet care items
— proper identification / immunization records / medications
— ample supply of food and water
— a carrier or cage
— muzzle and leash
Hurricane Tips
If you can't get cell reception, move to high ground and you may be
able to reach towers that are in working condition.
Have a non-cordless plug in phone (a no-frills, phone that only plugs
into the phone outlet and does not need its own power supply). Often
phone lines will work, but without power, corldess phones will not
work.

Why, oh why, do virtually NONE of these disaster supply lists recommend a
functioning firearm and ample ammunition? What the hell good is all that
stuff if the goblins can simply take it away from you?

Oren wrote:
On Wed, 24 Oct 2012 13:55:34 -0700 (PDT), CRAIG ORAL SOMERFORD
wrote:

Hurricane Tips

Have you even been in a hurricane? How many?

I'm in Houston and have been in at least six.

When our northern visitors hear of a hurricane entering the Gulf, they look
down and say: "Feet! Make tracks!"

Most of us long-termers stock up on beer and strawberry Pop-Tarts.

On Oct 24, 9:50*pm, "HeyBub" wrote:
Most of us long-termers stock up on beer and strawberry Pop-Tarts.


Blizzard parties here in the northeast. Love it.

What does one stock for blizzard parties?

Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
..

"Thomas" wrote in message
...
On Oct 24, 9:50 pm, "HeyBub" wrote:
Most of us long-termers stock up on beer and strawberry Pop-Tarts.


Blizzard parties here in the northeast. Love it.

On Thu, 25 Oct 2012 12:02:39 -0400, "Stormin Mormon"
wrote:

What does one stock for blizzard parties?

http://www.wikihow.com/Make-Your-Own...Flurry-at-Home

On 10/24/2012 8:52 PM, HeyBub wrote:
CRAIG ORAL SOMERFORD wrote:
If you can't get cell reception, move to high ground and you may be
able to reach towers that are in working condition.

https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/?ui...4 644a2ce0a93

Both the National Hurricane Center and the American Red Cross have
developed specific guidelines for Hurricane supply kits. A hurricane
survival kit is merely a specialized version of your disaster supply
kit. It should include provisions to carry you through a week or two
after a storm or other disaster. Our hurricane preparation page
includes additional recommendations based on experiences of real
people who have been through similar situations. Remember, the more
water, food, and other items you have the better off you will be in
the event of an emergency.
http://www.hurricane.com/
You will be able to assist family and friends if needed.

https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/?ui...f0 c7db62d312
Some companies include pre-assembled survival kits that include water
purification tablets and more. They can be useful in addition to your
own kit.

Our own version increases some of their recommendations and includes
some additional items that are helpful in our experience.

Remember to print hard copy of any documents you need - instructions,
tips or anything in case you have no power.

Water - at least 1 gallon daily per person for 7 to 10 days. Katrina
and Wilma should have emphasized the importance of having sufficient
water on hand. Don't forget some for your pets.
Food - at least enough for 3 to 7 days
— non-perishable packaged or canned food / juices
— foods for infants or the elderly
— snack foods (Peanut butter; mixed PBJ; breakfast bars; crackers;
canned fruit; raisins; chips;
— non-electric can opener
— cooking tools / fuel
— paper plates / plastic utensils / paper cups
— trash bags and duct tape - useful for clean-up, or patching leaks in
an emergency
An ax to use if you stay and need to escape from your house - or other
uses
Blankets / Pillows, etc.
Clothing - seasonal / rain gear/ sturdy shoes
First Aid Kit / Medicines / Prescription Drugs
Special Items - for babies and the elderly
Toiletries / Hygiene items / Moisture wipes
Bug spray, Cortisone for bug bites
Sunscreen & Lotion
Tarp to cover holes if needed.
Bleach
Water purification tablets
Waterless soap saves water for drinking
Flashlight / Batteries
Radio - Battery operated and NOAA weather radio
Battery operated television, with extra batteries.
Cash - Banks and ATMs may not be open or available for extended
periods. Make sure you have small bills because it will often be
difficult to get change, I you only have a $100 and water is $10 for a
case and you are limited to one case, you do not want to have the
choice of paying $100 or having no water.
Keys to house, cars, boats etc
Toys, Books and Games
Important documents - in a waterproof container or watertight
resealable plastic bag
— insurance, medical records, bank account numbers, Social Security
card, etc. Don't forget your re-entry documents (e.g. stickers or
passes). Many barrier islands require some documentation in order to
return. Keep important phone number here. You may know them, but a
loved one may not.
Tools - keep a set with you during the storm. A pocket knife, nails, a
hammer and rope are important elements. Towels and buckets are useful
too if you develop a leak.
Vehicle fuel tanks filled
Pet care items
— proper identification / immunization records / medications
— ample supply of food and water
— a carrier or cage
— muzzle and leash
Hurricane Tips
If you can't get cell reception, move to high ground and you may be
able to reach towers that are in working condition.
Have a non-cordless plug in phone (a no-frills, phone that only plugs
into the phone outlet and does not need its own power supply). Often
phone lines will work, but without power, corldess phones will not
work.

Why, oh why, do virtually NONE of these disaster supply lists recommend a
functioning firearm and ample ammunition? What the hell good is all that
stuff if the goblins can simply take it away from you?



Probably because the reality is that human beings have evolved to be
cooperative with each other, and there have been very little instances
of mob actions after a major disaster. It's the people who think they
have to defend themselves from everyone else who are out of touch with
reality. The rest of us pitch in and lend a hand, instead of curling
up in fear hugging a gun.

On Wed, 24 Oct 2012 20:53:50 -0500, "HeyBub"
wrote:


Most of us long-termers stock up on beer and strawberry Pop-Tarts.

.... and pet food.

On Thu, 25 Oct 2012 13:53:51 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 24 Oct 2012 16:51:40 -0700, Oren wrote:

On Wed, 24 Oct 2012 13:55:34 -0700 (PDT), CRAIG ORAL SOMERFORD
wrote:

Hurricane Tips

Have you even been in a hurricane? How many?

Lots of them, 3 where the eye was less than 20 miles away. (Charley
more like 10 and we were on the Northeast side)

If you want to test your hurricane preparedness, turn off the main
breaker in your house, the city water and gas if you have it.
See how long you last before you really can't stand it any more and
when you break down and turn it all back on, think about what would
happen if it didn't come back on ... for a couple weeks.
We had friends in Punta Gorda who were living in the 19th century for
2 months.
That is what happens after a hurricane.
The storm itself is a whole nother thing. Think, roofs flying off,
stuff hitting your house at 90 MPH, trees falling, a foot or more of
rain in a few hours and water coming up 10 feet higher than it
normally is with white caps on top. If you are near the coast, that is
a rolling surf on top of a 15-20 foot tide surge.

The only good thing is, in a few hours, the worst of that is over.
Then the real survival exercise starts.

I've been in a number of hurricanes. Hurricane Donna (1960) came out
of the Gulf and tracked up the Caloosahatchee River (direct hit). It
was like the storm lifted all the water out and dumped a mile away,
causing flooding waste deep.

Roofs were lifting and ripping off homes, but we were lucky. My
brother went out and rescued an elder / infirm couple. When it was
all over there were ~30 people in our house.

On Thu, 25 Oct 2012 14:57:48 -0500, Moe DeLoughan
wrote:

Why, oh why, do virtually NONE of these disaster supply lists recommend a
functioning firearm and ample ammunition? What the hell good is all that
stuff if the goblins can simply take it away from you?



Probably because the reality is that human beings have evolved to be
cooperative with each other, and there have been very little instances
of mob actions after a major disaster. It's the people who think they
have to defend themselves from everyone else who are out of touch with
reality. The rest of us pitch in and lend a hand, instead of curling
up in fear hugging a gun.

Giggle.

On 10/25/2012 2:57 PM, Moe DeLoughan wrote:
On 10/24/2012 8:52 PM, HeyBub wrote:
CRAIG ORAL SOMERFORD wrote:
If you can't get cell reception, move to high ground and you may be
able to reach towers that are in working condition.

https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/?ui...4 644a2ce0a93


Both the National Hurricane Center and the American Red Cross have
developed specific guidelines for Hurricane supply kits. A hurricane
survival kit is merely a specialized version of your disaster supply
kit. It should include provisions to carry you through a week or two
after a storm or other disaster. Our hurricane preparation page
includes additional recommendations based on experiences of real
people who have been through similar situations. Remember, the more
water, food, and other items you have the better off you will be in
the event of an emergency.
http://www.hurricane.com/
You will be able to assist family and friends if needed.

https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/?ui...f0 c7db62d312

Some companies include pre-assembled survival kits that include water
purification tablets and more. They can be useful in addition to your
own kit.

Our own version increases some of their recommendations and includes
some additional items that are helpful in our experience.

Remember to print hard copy of any documents you need - instructions,
tips or anything in case you have no power.

Water - at least 1 gallon daily per person for 7 to 10 days. Katrina
and Wilma should have emphasized the importance of having sufficient
water on hand. Don't forget some for your pets.
Food - at least enough for 3 to 7 days
— non-perishable packaged or canned food / juices
— foods for infants or the elderly
— snack foods (Peanut butter; mixed PBJ; breakfast bars; crackers;
canned fruit; raisins; chips;
— non-electric can opener
— cooking tools / fuel
— paper plates / plastic utensils / paper cups
— trash bags and duct tape - useful for clean-up, or patching leaks in
an emergency
An ax to use if you stay and need to escape from your house - or other
uses
Blankets / Pillows, etc.
Clothing - seasonal / rain gear/ sturdy shoes
First Aid Kit / Medicines / Prescription Drugs
Special Items - for babies and the elderly
Toiletries / Hygiene items / Moisture wipes
Bug spray, Cortisone for bug bites
Sunscreen & Lotion
Tarp to cover holes if needed.
Bleach
Water purification tablets
Waterless soap saves water for drinking
Flashlight / Batteries
Radio - Battery operated and NOAA weather radio
Battery operated television, with extra batteries.
Cash - Banks and ATMs may not be open or available for extended
periods. Make sure you have small bills because it will often be
difficult to get change, I you only have a $100 and water is $10 for a
case and you are limited to one case, you do not want to have the
choice of paying $100 or having no water.
Keys to house, cars, boats etc
Toys, Books and Games
Important documents - in a waterproof container or watertight
resealable plastic bag
— insurance, medical records, bank account numbers, Social Security
card, etc. Don't forget your re-entry documents (e.g. stickers or
passes). Many barrier islands require some documentation in order to
return. Keep important phone number here. You may know them, but a
loved one may not.
Tools - keep a set with you during the storm. A pocket knife, nails, a
hammer and rope are important elements. Towels and buckets are useful
too if you develop a leak.
Vehicle fuel tanks filled
Pet care items
— proper identification / immunization records / medications
— ample supply of food and water
— a carrier or cage
— muzzle and leash
Hurricane Tips
If you can't get cell reception, move to high ground and you may be
able to reach towers that are in working condition.
Have a non-cordless plug in phone (a no-frills, phone that only plugs
into the phone outlet and does not need its own power supply). Often
phone lines will work, but without power, corldess phones will not
work.

Why, oh why, do virtually NONE of these disaster supply lists recommend a
functioning firearm and ample ammunition? What the hell good is all that
stuff if the goblins can simply take it away from you?



Probably because the reality is that human beings have evolved to be
cooperative with each other, and there have been very little instances
of mob actions after a major disaster. It's the people who think they
have to defend themselves from everyone else who are out of touch with
reality. The rest of us pitch in and lend a hand, instead of curling up
in fear hugging a gun.

Here in Alabamastan we have tornadoes tear the place up every now and
then. Last year after a devastating episode of TORNADO, folks started
calling in to the local Conservative radio talk shows offering to help
anyone who needed it. The good neighbors were all over it before FEMA
even woke up. There were instances of looters stopped in their tracks
by armed property owners. I suppose there are a few who haven't evolved
enough to know right from wrong, like Liberal gun cootie fearing
Democrats. ^_^

TDD

We can learn from your experience, if you wish to share.

Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
..

wrote in message
...

Lots of them, 3 where the eye was less than 20 miles away. (Charley
more like 10 and we were on the Northeast side)

If you want to test your hurricane preparedness, turn off the main
breaker in your house, the city water and gas if you have it.
See how long you last before you really can't stand it any more and
when you break down and turn it all back on, think about what would
happen if it didn't come back on ... for a couple weeks.
We had friends in Punta Gorda who were living in the 19th century for
2 months.
That is what happens after a hurricane.
The storm itself is a whole nother thing. Think, roofs flying off,
stuff hitting your house at 90 MPH, trees falling, a foot or more of
rain in a few hours and water coming up 10 feet higher than it
normally is with white caps on top. If you are near the coast, that is
a rolling surf on top of a 15-20 foot tide surge.

The only good thing is, in a few hours, the worst of that is over.
Then the real survival exercise starts.

On Thu, 25 Oct 2012 16:25:52 -0500, The Daring Dufas
wrote:

. I suppose there are a few who haven't evolved
enough to know right from wrong, like Liberal gun cootie fearing
Democrats. ^_^

TDD

A gun cootie can jump ten feet. Once you get one on you they are damn
near impossible to get off.

On Thu, 25 Oct 2012 14:57:48 -0500, Moe DeLoughan wrote:

On 10/24/2012 8:52 PM, HeyBub wrote:
CRAIG ORAL SOMERFORD wrote:
If you can't get cell reception, move to high ground and you may be
able to reach towers that are in working condition.

https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/?ui...4 644a2ce0a93

Both the National Hurricane Center and the American Red Cross have
developed specific guidelines for Hurricane supply kits. A hurricane
survival kit is merely a specialized version of your disaster supply
kit. It should include provisions to carry you through a week or two
after a storm or other disaster. Our hurricane preparation page
includes additional recommendations based on experiences of real
people who have been through similar situations. Remember, the more
water, food, and other items you have the better off you will be in
the event of an emergency.
http://www.hurricane.com/
You will be able to assist family and friends if needed.

https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/?ui...f0 c7db62d312
Some companies include pre-assembled survival kits that include water
purification tablets and more. They can be useful in addition to your
own kit.

Our own version increases some of their recommendations and includes
some additional items that are helpful in our experience.

Remember to print hard copy of any documents you need - instructions,
tips or anything in case you have no power.

Water - at least 1 gallon daily per person for 7 to 10 days. Katrina
and Wilma should have emphasized the importance of having sufficient
water on hand. Don't forget some for your pets.
Food - at least enough for 3 to 7 days
— non-perishable packaged or canned food / juices
— foods for infants or the elderly
— snack foods (Peanut butter; mixed PBJ; breakfast bars; crackers;
canned fruit; raisins; chips;
— non-electric can opener
— cooking tools / fuel
— paper plates / plastic utensils / paper cups
— trash bags and duct tape - useful for clean-up, or patching leaks in
an emergency
An ax to use if you stay and need to escape from your house - or other
uses
Blankets / Pillows, etc.
Clothing - seasonal / rain gear/ sturdy shoes
First Aid Kit / Medicines / Prescription Drugs
Special Items - for babies and the elderly
Toiletries / Hygiene items / Moisture wipes
Bug spray, Cortisone for bug bites
Sunscreen & Lotion
Tarp to cover holes if needed.
Bleach
Water purification tablets
Waterless soap saves water for drinking
Flashlight / Batteries
Radio - Battery operated and NOAA weather radio
Battery operated television, with extra batteries.
Cash - Banks and ATMs may not be open or available for extended
periods. Make sure you have small bills because it will often be
difficult to get change, I you only have a $100 and water is $10 for a
case and you are limited to one case, you do not want to have the
choice of paying $100 or having no water.
Keys to house, cars, boats etc
Toys, Books and Games
Important documents - in a waterproof container or watertight
resealable plastic bag
— insurance, medical records, bank account numbers, Social Security
card, etc. Don't forget your re-entry documents (e.g. stickers or
passes). Many barrier islands require some documentation in order to
return. Keep important phone number here. You may know them, but a
loved one may not.
Tools - keep a set with you during the storm. A pocket knife, nails, a
hammer and rope are important elements. Towels and buckets are useful
too if you develop a leak.
Vehicle fuel tanks filled
Pet care items
— proper identification / immunization records / medications
— ample supply of food and water
— a carrier or cage
— muzzle and leash
Hurricane Tips
If you can't get cell reception, move to high ground and you may be
able to reach towers that are in working condition.
Have a non-cordless plug in phone (a no-frills, phone that only plugs
into the phone outlet and does not need its own power supply). Often
phone lines will work, but without power, corldess phones will not
work.

Why, oh why, do virtually NONE of these disaster supply lists recommend a
functioning firearm and ample ammunition? What the hell good is all that
stuff if the goblins can simply take it away from you?



Probably because the reality is that human beings have evolved to be
cooperative with each other, and there have been very little instances
of mob actions after a major disaster. It's the people who think they
have to defend themselves from everyone else who are out of touch with
reality. The rest of us pitch in and lend a hand, instead of curling
up in fear hugging a gun.

NoLa after Katrina. LA '92 riots. NYC 2003 blackout.

On 10/25/2012 10:41 PM, Oren wrote:
On Thu, 25 Oct 2012 16:25:52 -0500, The Daring Dufas
wrote:

. I suppose there are a few who haven't evolved
enough to know right from wrong, like Liberal gun cootie fearing
Democrats. ^_^

TDD

A gun cootie can jump ten feet. Once you get one on you they are damn
near impossible to get off.


Break Free CLP is supposed to remove them but I've heard that the odor
of gun oil actually attracts gun cooties. Hum, if you want to be real
cruel, spray Liberal anti gun freaks with gun oil. ^_^

TDD

On Thu, 25 Oct 2012 23:27:25 -0500, The Daring Dufas
wrote:

On 10/25/2012 10:41 PM, Oren wrote:
On Thu, 25 Oct 2012 16:25:52 -0500, The Daring Dufas
wrote:

. I suppose there are a few who haven't evolved
enough to know right from wrong, like Liberal gun cootie fearing
Democrats. ^_^

TDD

A gun cootie can jump ten feet. Once you get one on you they are damn
near impossible to get off.


Break Free CLP is supposed to remove them but I've heard that the odor
of gun oil actually attracts gun cooties. Hum, if you want to be real
cruel, spray Liberal anti gun freaks with gun oil. ^_^

TDD

A guy I used to work with would dab gun oil behind his ears. It was
how he picked up girls.

On Fri, 26 Oct 2012 00:23:54 -0400, "
wrote:

Probably because the reality is that human beings have evolved to be
cooperative with each other, and there have been very little instances
of mob actions after a major disaster. It's the people who think they
have to defend themselves from everyone else who are out of touch with
reality. The rest of us pitch in and lend a hand, instead of curling
up in fear hugging a gun.

NoLa after Katrina. LA '92 riots. NYC 2003 blackout.

1980, Liberty City, Miami Riots

In the LA riots, the Koreans brought out fire power and stopped
rioters from burning their businesses.

I remember one woman who posted about hurricane preps. She did mention
laundry, get that all caught up. And make sure the kids are bathed,
showered, and hair washed.

At least, generator will run for a while as long as you have fuel. Solar is
good, if the sun shines.

Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
..

wrote in message
...

You know what you miss first, the washer/dryer. (assuming you have a
decent survival kit)

If you can get the pool blue quickly, it certainly takes a lot of
urgency out of the power failure.
I ran my pool pump on the genny pretty early in our recovery,
I am really looking at the solar pool pump as my first PV solar
project.

wrote in message
...
On Thu, 25 Oct 2012 14:57:48 -0500, Moe DeLoughan
wrote:

On 10/24/2012 8:52 PM, HeyBub wrote:
CRAIG ORAL SOMERFORD wrote:
If you can't get cell reception, move to high ground and you may be
able to reach towers that are in working condition.

https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/?ui...4 644a2ce0a93

Both the National Hurricane Center and the American Red Cross have
developed specific guidelines for Hurricane supply kits. A hurricane
survival kit is merely a specialized version of your disaster supply
kit. It should include provisions to carry you through a week or two
after a storm or other disaster. Our hurricane preparation page
includes additional recommendations based on experiences of real
people who have been through similar situations. Remember, the more
water, food, and other items you have the better off you will be in
the event of an emergency.
http://www.hurricane.com/
You will be able to assist family and friends if needed.

https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/?ui...f0 c7db62d312
Some companies include pre-assembled survival kits that include water
purification tablets and more. They can be useful in addition to your
own kit.

Our own version increases some of their recommendations and includes
some additional items that are helpful in our experience.

Remember to print hard copy of any documents you need - instructions,
tips or anything in case you have no power.

Water - at least 1 gallon daily per person for 7 to 10 days. Katrina
and Wilma should have emphasized the importance of having sufficient
water on hand. Don't forget some for your pets.
Food - at least enough for 3 to 7 days
- non-perishable packaged or canned food / juices
- foods for infants or the elderly
- snack foods (Peanut butter; mixed PBJ; breakfast bars; crackers;
canned fruit; raisins; chips;
- non-electric can opener
- cooking tools / fuel
- paper plates / plastic utensils / paper cups
- trash bags and duct tape - useful for clean-up, or patching leaks in
an emergency
An ax to use if you stay and need to escape from your house - or other
uses
Blankets / Pillows, etc.
Clothing - seasonal / rain gear/ sturdy shoes
First Aid Kit / Medicines / Prescription Drugs
Special Items - for babies and the elderly
Toiletries / Hygiene items / Moisture wipes
Bug spray, Cortisone for bug bites
Sunscreen & Lotion
Tarp to cover holes if needed.
Bleach
Water purification tablets
Waterless soap saves water for drinking
Flashlight / Batteries
Radio - Battery operated and NOAA weather radio
Battery operated television, with extra batteries.
Cash - Banks and ATMs may not be open or available for extended
periods. Make sure you have small bills because it will often be
difficult to get change, I you only have a $100 and water is $10 for a
case and you are limited to one case, you do not want to have the
choice of paying $100 or having no water.
Keys to house, cars, boats etc
Toys, Books and Games
Important documents - in a waterproof container or watertight
resealable plastic bag
- insurance, medical records, bank account numbers, Social Security
card, etc. Don't forget your re-entry documents (e.g. stickers or
passes). Many barrier islands require some documentation in order to
return. Keep important phone number here. You may know them, but a
loved one may not.
Tools - keep a set with you during the storm. A pocket knife, nails, a
hammer and rope are important elements. Towels and buckets are useful
too if you develop a leak.
Vehicle fuel tanks filled
Pet care items
- proper identification / immunization records / medications
- ample supply of food and water
- a carrier or cage
- muzzle and leash
Hurricane Tips
If you can't get cell reception, move to high ground and you may be
able to reach towers that are in working condition.
Have a non-cordless plug in phone (a no-frills, phone that only plugs
into the phone outlet and does not need its own power supply). Often
phone lines will work, but without power, corldess phones will not
work.

Why, oh why, do virtually NONE of these disaster supply lists recommend
a
functioning firearm and ample ammunition? What the hell good is all that
stuff if the goblins can simply take it away from you?



Probably because the reality is that human beings have evolved to be
cooperative with each other, and there have been very little instances
of mob actions after a major disaster. It's the people who think they
have to defend themselves from everyone else who are out of touch with
reality. The rest of us pitch in and lend a hand, instead of curling
up in fear hugging a gun.

NoLa after Katrina. LA '92 riots. NYC 2003 blackout.

Yep. What I saw in our very diverse urban neighborhood after hurricane Ike
a few years ago was friendly help, cooperation and neighborhood meals
organized to make do while the power and water were off. How sad to live in
fear from those around you when disaster strikes when help is more likely
than violence.

Tomsic

"Stormin Mormon" wrote in message
...
I remember one woman who posted about hurricane preps. She did mention
laundry, get that all caught up. And make sure the kids are bathed,
showered, and hair washed.

At least, generator will run for a while as long as you have fuel. Solar
is
good, if the sun shines.

Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
.

wrote in message
...

You know what you miss first, the washer/dryer. (assuming you have a
decent survival kit)

If you can get the pool blue quickly, it certainly takes a lot of
urgency out of the power failure.
I ran my pool pump on the genny pretty early in our recovery,
I am really looking at the solar pool pump as my first PV solar
project.


Keep up, Stormin. The solar panels these days will generate substantial
power with just cloudy daylight. That's a good thing because that's what I
have, mostly.

Tomsic

wrote:

If you want to test your hurricane preparedness, turn off the main
breaker in your house, the city water and gas if you have it.
See how long you last before you really can't stand it any more and
when you break down and turn it all back on, think about what would
happen if it didn't come back on ... for a couple weeks.

When hurricane Yikes hit Houston, four million people were without power.
For ten days to two weeks!

We had a generator, but no gas station with power to supply their pumps!

There's really no need to stock up on water (usually). Water is delivered,
mostly, from gravity-fed tanks and it doesn't really matter if the power is
off. I get a kick out of the radio announcers who break in during hurricane
run-ups with: "Flash! This just in! The Kroger store on West Main is
completely out of bottled water! Those of you living on the west side of
town are doomed! You had best head to a Red Cross shelter while you still
have time!"

Glad to hear you have good neighbors. Me, well, I'm not sure.

Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
..

".-." wrote in message ...

of mob actions after a major disaster. It's the people who think they
have to defend themselves from everyone else who are out of touch with
reality. The rest of us pitch in and lend a hand, instead of curling
up in fear hugging a gun.

NoLa after Katrina. LA '92 riots. NYC 2003 blackout.

Yep. What I saw in our very diverse urban neighborhood after hurricane Ike
a few years ago was friendly help, cooperation and neighborhood meals
organized to make do while the power and water were off. How sad to live in
fear from those around you when disaster strikes when help is more likely
than violence.

Tomsic

Must be the technology is improving? That's good to hear.

Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
..

".-." wrote in message ...

Keep up, Stormin. The solar panels these days will generate substantial
power with just cloudy daylight. That's a good thing because that's what I
have, mostly.

Tomsic

Moe DeLoughan wrote:

Why, oh why, do virtually NONE of these disaster supply lists
recommend a functioning firearm and ample ammunition? What the hell
good is all that stuff if the goblins can simply take it away from
you?

Probably because the reality is that human beings have evolved to be
cooperative with each other, and there have been very little instances
of mob actions after a major disaster. It's the people who think they
have to defend themselves from everyone else who are out of touch with
reality. The rest of us pitch in and lend a hand, instead of curling
up in fear hugging a gun.

Human beings have also evolved to do desperate things when they get hungry.

We gun owners do not curl up in fear hugging a gun. We set up defensive
positions with overlapping fields of fire. Once that is done, we form
reconnaissance teams, hunt down the marauding evil-doers, and establish
cordon sanitaires around our communities.

On 10/26/2012 8:19 AM, HeyBub wrote:
....

There's really no need to stock up on water (usually). Water is delivered,
mostly, from gravity-fed tanks and it doesn't really matter if the power is
off....

Excepting it doesn't take long to empty one and if there isn't power to
the pumps to refill it (or pump it from the reservoir or well (here)) it
doesn't much matter whether it's a gravity pressure system or not. One
had best _always_ have water for emergencies as well as the other
necessities--it's simply silly to rely on somebody else for one's
welfare for things one can do for oneself...

--

Thomas wrote the following on 10/25/2012 11:51 AM (ET):
On Oct 24, 9:50 pm, "HeyBub" wrote:
Most of us long-termers stock up on beer and strawberry Pop-Tarts.


Blizzard parties here in the northeast. Love it.

Might get both hurricane and blizzard next week.

--
Bill
In Hamptonburgh, NY
In the original Orange County. Est. 1683
To email, remove the double zeros after @

"dpb" wrote in message ...
On 10/26/2012 8:19 AM, HeyBub wrote:
...

There's really no need to stock up on water (usually). Water is
delivered,
mostly, from gravity-fed tanks and it doesn't really matter if the power
is
off....

Excepting it doesn't take long to empty one and if there isn't power to
the pumps to refill it (or pump it from the reservoir or well (here)) it
doesn't much matter whether it's a gravity pressure system or not. One
had best _always_ have water for emergencies as well as the other
necessities--it's simply silly to rely on somebody else for one's welfare
for things one can do for oneself...

--

While building a new house some 10 years ago and seeing a long pipe run
between the kitchen and bathroom, I installed two 50 gallon highly-insulated
water heaters at the two water-using locations to keep the hot water runs
short. One is upstairs.

If the city water fails, I have 100 gallons of drinkable water just by
shutting off the main house valve and opening an upstairs sink valve so that
air and gravity can do their thing. I've been thinking about adding a tire
valve fitting to the tank upstairs so that I could use a hand tire pump to
add some pressure to the system. Fortunately, there's been only one water
failure since installation, but that was enough to show that the system
worked.

Tomsic

Blowout adaptor at Walmart, RV section. About three bucks. Screw that into
the female end of a washing machine hose. Inflate.

The WH I've worked on, the inlet goes into a dip tube with a tiny hole in
it. So, you won't get a heck of a lot by siphon. If you regularly drain the
tank, you can hook a hose to the drain. Be sure to shut off the electric or
gas, until the tank is fully refilled. You might burn out your tank, if you
don't.

Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
..

".-." wrote in message ...


While building a new house some 10 years ago and seeing a long pipe run
between the kitchen and bathroom, I installed two 50 gallon highly-insulated
water heaters at the two water-using locations to keep the hot water runs
short. One is upstairs.

If the city water fails, I have 100 gallons of drinkable water just by
shutting off the main house valve and opening an upstairs sink valve so that
air and gravity can do their thing. I've been thinking about adding a tire
valve fitting to the tank upstairs so that I could use a hand tire pump to
add some pressure to the system. Fortunately, there's been only one water
failure since installation, but that was enough to show that the system
worked.

Tomsic

Here in sunny heathen San Francisco, where we godless folks are celebrating
the 2nd game win in the World Series, our weather is fair, high so far today
(11:47am) is 62 under a cloudless sky. We have no storms coming our way,
but God is directing yet another storm toward the Bible Belt. Fancy that...

Stormin Mormon wrote:

While building a new house some 10 years ago and seeing a long pipe
run between the kitchen and bathroom, I installed two 50 gallon
highly-insulated water heaters at the two water-using locations to
keep the hot water runs short. One is upstairs.

If the city water fails, I have 100 gallons of drinkable water just by
shutting off the main house valve and opening an upstairs sink valve
so that air and gravity can do their thing. I've been thinking about
adding a tire valve fitting to the tank upstairs so that I could use
a hand tire pump to add some pressure to the system. Fortunately,
there's been only one water failure since installation, but that was
enough to show that the system worked.


But it's not drinkable, or, at least should be viewed with suspicion.

The water in a hot water tank is often filled with double-nasty bacteria.
Many Legionnires Disease outbreaks have been traced to the washing of
vegetables with water from a hot water source.

Hot water is to be used for washing, not consuming. Unless you boil it
first, but in an emergency, boiling water may prove problematic.

On Fri, 26 Oct 2012 09:42:29 -0500, dpb wrote:

On 10/26/2012 8:19 AM, HeyBub wrote:
...

There's really no need to stock up on water (usually). Water is delivered,
mostly, from gravity-fed tanks and it doesn't really matter if the power is
off....

Excepting it doesn't take long to empty one and if there isn't power to
the pumps to refill it (or pump it from the reservoir or well (here)) it
doesn't much matter whether it's a gravity pressure system or not. One
had best _always_ have water for emergencies as well as the other
necessities--it's simply silly to rely on somebody else for one's
welfare for things one can do for oneself...

City water here sucks, but when the power goes out, they keep on
pumping. Our town does have backup generators to run the plant. The
few times the power went out for more than a few minutes, I was happy
to have cit water.

On Friday, October 26, 2012 9:15:46 AM UTC-4, HeyBub wrote:
wrote:



If you want to test your hurricane preparedness, turn off the main

breaker in your house, the city water and gas if you have it.

See how long you last before you really can't stand it any more and

when you break down and turn it all back on, think about what would

happen if it didn't come back on ... for a couple weeks.



When hurricane Yikes hit Houston, four million people were without power.

For ten days to two weeks!



We had a generator, but no gas station with power to supply their pumps!



There's really no need to stock up on water (usually). Water is delivered,

mostly, from gravity-fed tanks and it doesn't really matter if the power is

off. I get a kick out of the radio announcers who break in during hurricane

run-ups with: "Flash! This just in! The Kroger store on West Main is

completely out of bottled water! Those of you living on the west side of

town are doomed! You had best head to a Red Cross shelter while you still

have time!"

Most people don't realize that they have 40+ gallons of good water stored in their water heater.

Well, that is, if the drain valve opens.

Need to turn off the heat source to the WH, or
risk burning the tank when the thermostat cools,
and the heat comes on.

Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
..

"Pavel314"
wrote in message
...

Most people don't realize that they have 40+ gallons of good water stored in
their water heater.

Pavel314 wrote:

Most people don't realize that they have 40+ gallons of good water
stored in their water heater.

Repeat idea from an earlier post:

The water in a water heater is, often, not "good" water. Hot water should be
used for washing or bathing and never for consumption. The reason is that
many double-nasty bacteria thrive in fairly warm water. Several outbreaks of
Legionnaire's Disease have been traced to washing vegetables in water from a
water heater.

Of course you COULD boil the water... but in a power outage environment,
that may be tough.

The water in the toilet tank should be drinkable, as well as the 50 gallons
you ran in the bathtub just before the emergency...

"HeyBub" wrote:
Pavel314 wrote:

Most people don't realize that they have 40+ gallons of good water
stored in their water heater.

Repeat idea from an earlier post:

The water in a water heater is, often, not "good" water. Hot water should be
used for washing or bathing and never for consumption. The reason is that
many double-nasty bacteria thrive in fairly warm water. Several outbreaks of
Legionnaire's Disease have been traced to washing vegetables in water from a
water heater.

Of course you COULD boil the water... but in a power outage environment,
that may be tough.

The water in the toilet tank should be drinkable, as well as the 50 gallons
you ran in the bathtub just before the emergency...

You could probable treat the water with the clorox you have at hand, and
know treatment amounts, without looking on Internet.

Greg

wrote

You seem to be having a geography brain fart. This is aimed at the mid
Atlantic states. (Northern Virginia to Maine)

If it's east of Reno it's "East Coast"; if it's south of New York, it's "The
Bible Belt". That's the way we look at America from here.

But regardless, the fact is that no God worth his weight in gold is
punishing us for our heathen ways. I keep bringing this up because people
LOVE to laugh at San Francisco and tell us that God is going to do bad
things to us. But God seems to do bad things to everyone ELSE.

By the way, the Giants have now won the 3rd game in the World Series. Just
one more to go.

"gregz" wrote

You could probable treat the water with the clorox you have at hand, and
know treatment amounts, without looking on Internet.

When you mix bleach into the water if you get it JUST to the point where you
can smell it in the water, it is already sterile enough to kill off bacteria
and viruses and other bugs. If you use any more than that you're not doing
anything but making the water less drinkable.

Iodine is also a well-proven water sterilizer.

wrote

It is worth buying a swimming pool 2 bottle test kit if you think you
will be purifying water.

Right here and now I want to correct something. Putting any chemical into
water is NOT purifying it, but sterilizing it or disinfecting it. You
actually don't want pure water because it's too easy to grow stuff in it.
But you do want sterile water.

It works out to 2-3 drops of bleach in a gallon of water, depending on
how fresh the bleach is. Wait about 10 minutes before you test or
drink the water

Actually, 2 drops per QUART of water (4 times the amount you recommend):
http://ndep.nv.gov/bsdw/docs/disinfe...king_water.pdf