I put in a well 4 years ago that produced 55gpm at 70psi. Last week I noticed the water pressure was fluctuating. I had the well drillers measure the water depth and it had dropped 140' from where it was. Has anyone heard of this drastic water table change before? Is it possible my well collapsed? I am in northern CA.
Steve

On Fri, 7 Sep 2012 14:36:01 -0700 (PDT), Steve
wrote:

I put in a well 4 years ago that produced 55gpm at 70psi. Last week I noticed
the water pressure was fluctuating. I had the well drillers measure the
water depth and it had dropped 140' from where it was. Has anyone heard
of this drastic water table change before? Is it possible my well
collapsed? I am in northern CA.
Steve

They may have dug a mine or some other deep structure nearby that hits
the same vein of water. It's all being dumped into that place instead.
You need to find out who and where and sue the pants off of them.

On Fri, 7 Sep 2012 14:36:01 -0700 (PDT), Steve
wrote:

I put in a well 4 years ago that produced 55gpm at 70psi. Last week I noticed the water pressure was fluctuating.
I had the well drillers measure the water depth and it had dropped 140' from where it was. Has anyone heard of
this drastic water table change before? Is it possible my well collapsed? I am in northern CA.
Steve

Wouldn't the on-site professionals ("well drillers") be able to
answer your questions?

....just asking

"Steve" wrote in message
...
I put in a well 4 years ago that produced 55gpm at 70psi. Last week I
noticed the water pressure was fluctuating. I had the well drillers measure
the water depth and it had dropped 140' from w/here it was. Has anyone heard
of this drastic water table change before? Is it possible my well collapsed?
I am in northern CA.
Steve

http://www.sciencenews.org/view/gene...pping_globally

"Groundwater levels have dropped in many places across the globe over the
past nine years, a pair of gravity-monitoring satellites finds. This trend
raises concerns that farmers are pumping too much water out of the ground in
dry regions. Water has been disappearing beneath southern Argentina,
western Australia and stretches of the United States. The decline is
especially pronounced in parts of California, India, the Middle East and
China, where expanding agriculture has increased water demand. . . . in
California's Central Valley, which supports about one-sixth of the nation's
irrigated land, the ground has been sinking for decades as landowners drill
more wells and pull out almost 4 cubic kilometers of water per year (SN:
1/16/10, p. 14)."

--
Bobby G.

On Sep 7, 5:36*pm, Steve wrote:
I put in a well 4 years ago that produced 55gpm at 70psi. Last week I noticed the water pressure was fluctuating. I had the well drillers measure the water depth and it had dropped 140' from where it was. Has anyone heard of this drastic water table change before? Is it possible my well collapsed? I am in northern CA.
Steve


Sounds like you need to investigate other developments
in your area and see how many *other* houses/buildings
have installed new wells in the past four years which may
be depleting the aquifer in your immediate area...

The well drilling company is not going to know that information
unless they are the ONLY company in your entire area and
install and maintain ALL of the wells...

Sounds like a trip to your local water board or resources
authority is in order so you can inquire about such recent
developments and report your findings of a 140' drop in
the water level of your well in four years time... Someone
else may have sunk a deep well causing your problem or
there may be too many wells...

On Fri, 7 Sep 2012 19:06:32 -0400, "Robert Green"
wrote:

"Groundwater levels have dropped in many places across the globe over the
past nine years, a pair of gravity-monitoring satellites finds. This trend
raises concerns that farmers are pumping too much water out of the ground in
dry regions. Water has been disappearing beneath southern Argentina,
western Australia and stretches of the United States. The decline is
especially pronounced in parts of California, India, the Middle East and
China, where expanding agriculture has increased water demand. . . . in
California's Central Valley, which supports about one-sixth of the nation's
irrigated land, the ground has been sinking for decades as landowners drill
more wells and pull out almost 4 cubic kilometers of water per year (SN:
1/16/10, p. 14)."

--
Bobby G.

This may be the indication of *THE END*.........
The world is supposed to end in December, so it may be because we all
run out of water!!!!

Of course there is one good thing about all of this. Whoever wins the
election in November wont ever get into office!!!! A good reason not to
waste your time and gas going to the polling place to vote.

wrote

This may be the indication of *THE END*.........
The world is supposed to end in December, so it may be because we all
run out of water!!!!

Here in California we're getting plenty of rainfall. True, it's down a bit
this year, but it's nowhere near drought conditions. In fact, our Hetch
Hetchy reservoir in the Sierras is doing quite nicely, thank you. As for
water tables, we haven't seen any appreciable change.

If it's the end of the world, nobody's told us about it yet. Oh, the
temperature in SF right now is 67 under sunny skies. God is blessing us
heathens once again.

On Fri, 7 Sep 2012 18:46:23 -0700, "David Kaye"
wrote:

Here in California we're getting plenty of rainfall. True, it's down a bit
this year, but it's nowhere near drought conditions. In fact, our Hetch
Hetchy reservoir in the Sierras is doing quite nicely, thank you. As for
water tables, we haven't seen any appreciable change.

If it's the end of the world, nobody's told us about it yet. Oh, the
temperature in SF right now is 67 under sunny skies. God is blessing us
heathens once again.


So why are you guys in a water war, demanding water from Nevada?

Bunch of heathens.

On 9/7/2012 2:36 PM, Steve wrote:
I put in a well 4 years ago that produced 55gpm at 70psi. Last week I noticed the water pressure was fluctuating. I had the well drillers measure the water depth and it had dropped 140' from where it was. Has anyone heard of this drastic water table change before? Is it possible my well collapsed? I am in northern CA.
Steve
Sure. Wells even go dry around here. The various irrigation companies
have been badgered and sued and who knows what by the environmentalists
about how much water they draw from local rivers. Most of them are
replacing the canals with pipe.

The pipe stop the water leaking from the canals and eventually the
companies may leave more water in the rivers.

However, many wells within a mile or so from the canal have gone dry.
They were drilled into seepage from the canal, not the water bearing
formations. Lots of law suits, but no joy! All wells have to be drilled
much deeper and into the water bearing strata.

Our rental property in Redmond, Oregon has a 350 ft. well. Our home well
15 miles North is 650 ft. deep. Wells East of Bend Oregon are up to 900
ft deep.

So, where are you exactly in Northern California? Any irrigation
districts in your area?

Paul

Evan wrote:
On Sep 7, 5:36 pm, Steve wrote:
I put in a well 4 years ago that produced 55gpm at 70psi. Last week I
noticed the water pressure was fluctuating. I had the well drillers
measure the water depth and it had dropped 140' from where it was. Has
anyone heard of this drastic water table change before? Is it possible
my well collapsed? I am in northern CA.
Steve


Sounds like you need to investigate other developments
in your area and see how many *other* houses/buildings
have installed new wells in the past four years which may
be depleting the aquifer in your immediate area...

The well drilling company is not going to know that information
unless they are the ONLY company in your entire area and
install and maintain ALL of the wells...

Assuming, of course, that they are complete idiots and that have no clue
what the competition is up to.

Sounds like a trip to your local water board or resources
authority is in order so you can inquire about such recent
developments and report your findings of a 140' drop in
the water level of your well in four years time... Someone
else may have sunk a deep well causing your problem or
there may be too many wells...

"Oren" wrote


So why are you guys in a water war, demanding water from Nevada?

We're not demanding water from Nevada; maybe Los Angeles is because they're
sharing Colorado River water. But here in heathen San Francisco, our water
comes from the Hetch Hetchy valley of Yosemite. Across the bay in socialist
Berkeley, their water comes from the Mokelumne, which is a bit to the north
also in Yosemite.

Interesting notes about the Hetch Hetchy: (1) the water is so pure it is one
of the few municipal water supplies that the EPA does not require to be
filtered, (2) it was a socialist water system at a time when nearly all
water services were private companies. As such, there was more government
money spent to do it RIGHT than what a private company would have spent.
(3) The system is entirely gravity-fed requiring NO pumping stations in the
200 mile length of the system from Yosemite to San Francisco. (4) Hetch
Hetchy also provides extremely low-cost power to governments and some
businesses and households. Where I live we have Hetch Hetchy low-cost
power.

The Hetch Hetchy is an engineering miracle that only socialist planners
could have done because private industry is too damned cheap to do anything
but the minimum required to satisfy their stockholders.

On 9/8/2012 12:46 AM, David Kaye wrote:
"Oren" wrote


So why are you guys in a water war, demanding water from Nevada?

We're not demanding water from Nevada; maybe Los Angeles is because they're
sharing Colorado River water. But here in heathen San Francisco, our water
comes from the Hetch Hetchy valley of Yosemite. Across the bay in socialist
Berkeley, their water comes from the Mokelumne, which is a bit to the north
also in Yosemite.

Interesting notes about the Hetch Hetchy: (1) the water is so pure it is one
of the few municipal water supplies that the EPA does not require to be
filtered, (2) it was a socialist water system at a time when nearly all
water services were private companies. As such, there was more government
money spent to do it RIGHT than what a private company would have spent.
(3) The system is entirely gravity-fed requiring NO pumping stations in the
200 mile length of the system from Yosemite to San Francisco. (4) Hetch
Hetchy also provides extremely low-cost power to governments and some
businesses and households. Where I live we have Hetch Hetchy low-cost
power.

The Hetch Hetchy is an engineering miracle that only socialist planners
could have done because private industry is too damned cheap to do anything
but the minimum required to satisfy their stockholders.



Just like the governments interstate highway system where the bridges
and roads are all falling apart decades before they should have needed
repairs? In that case the politicians did their best to pander to the
voters. If they had enough funding to build 100 miles of road they just
spread it out a little thinner and impressed everyone with 125 miles of
roadway.

On Sep 7, 5:36*pm, Steve wrote:
I put in a well 4 years ago that produced 55gpm at 70psi. Last week I noticed the water pressure was fluctuating. I had the well drillers measure the water depth and it had dropped 140' from where it was. Has anyone heard of this drastic water table change before? Is it possible my well collapsed? I am in northern CA.
Steve

any earthquakes in area recently?

in any case how much will a new deeper well cost?

no matter the actual cause you need a new well

On Sep 7, 10:31*pm, DerbyDad03 wrote:
Evan wrote:
On Sep 7, 5:36 pm, Steve wrote:
I put in a well 4 years ago that produced 55gpm at 70psi. Last week I
noticed the water pressure was fluctuating. I had the well drillers
measure the water depth and it had dropped 140' from where it was. Has
anyone heard of this drastic water table change before? Is it possible
my well collapsed? I am in northern CA.
Steve

Sounds like you need to investigate other developments
in your area and see how many *other* houses/buildings
have installed new wells in the past four years which may
be depleting the aquifer in your immediate area...

The well drilling company is not going to know that information
unless they are the ONLY company in your entire area and
install and maintain ALL of the wells...

Assuming, of course, that they are complete idiots and that have no clue
what the competition is up to.



LOL. Another Evan classic. It would take a hell of a lot of new
wells
in an area for that to be the cause of the drop in water of 140 ft in
4 years. Or some MAJOR new wells, ie municipal ones. In my
world, the well drillers would know if that was the cause. After all,
it's their business. At least the well drillers I'd be dealing with.
Also, typically they service more than one well and if the water
table has dropped 140 ft in an area, they would be getting a lot
of calls for the same thing.





Sounds like a trip to your local water board or resources
authority is in order so you can inquire about such recent
developments and report your findings of a 140' drop in
the water level of your well in four years time... *Someone
else may have sunk a deep well causing your problem or
there may be too many wells...- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

In my world, someone else drilling a new well doesn't cause
a 140 ft drop in my well. Unless maybe the well is right next door
and is a major municipal one. In which case you would think
you would know it went in. Asking neighbors who have similar
wells if they have any problems would be a good idea.

What's that well used for? 55GPM is a lot more than the
typical residential well.

On Sep 8, 7:46*am, "
wrote:

The well drilling company is not going to know that information
unless they are the ONLY company in your entire area and
install and maintain ALL of the wells...

Assuming, of course, that they are complete idiots and that have no clue
what the competition is up to.

LOL. * Another Evan classic. * It would take a hell of a lot of new
wells
in an area for that to be the cause of the drop in water of 140 ft in
4 years. *Or some MAJOR new wells, ie municipal ones. *In my
world, the well drillers would know if that was the cause. *After all,
it's their business. *At least the well drillers I'd be dealing with.
Also, typically they service more than one well and if the water
table has dropped 140 ft in an area, they would be getting a lot
of calls for the same thing.



Sounds like a trip to your local water board or resources
authority is in order so you can inquire about such recent
developments and report your findings of a 140' drop in
the water level of your well in four years time... *Someone
else may have sunk a deep well causing your problem or
there may be too many wells...- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

In my world, someone else drilling a new well doesn't cause
a 140 ft drop in my well. *Unless maybe the well is right next door
and is a major municipal one. *In which case you would think
you would know it went in. *Asking neighbors who have similar
wells if they have any problems would be a good idea.

What's that well used for? *55GPM is a lot more than the
typical residential well.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

+1
In my world my aquafer has a refresh rate of 1.5 million gallons per
day. If the OP's well did drop that much in that length of time I
would guess his well is either not in an aquafer or there was a major
ground fault event, which would be well known to all who use it.

On 2012-09-08, Oren wrote:

So why are you guys in a water war, demanding water from Nevada?

The guy is living in a dream. CA is a freaking nightmare! This from
a native who moved out 5 yrs ago, after my last 35 yrs in the SFBA.
Couldn't get me back there at gunpoint! My two closest friends back
there will be gone by next yr.

There's been water wars in CA since the first settlers, since the
goldrush. First too much wter, then too little water. The biggest
water ware is Norcal against Socal and has been for 50 yrs. Norcal
gots it, Socal wants it. NV and AZ are small potatoes in comparison,
though still active hard fought fronts. It's gonna get worse.

The only thing I miss about CA is sitting on the beach and looking out
over the ocean, sipping some wine, and nibbling some cheese n' bread.
Even that exists only in my memories. CA, the reality, is a car
clogged Hell!

nb


--
Definition of objectivism:
"Eff you! I got mine."
http://www.nongmoproject.org/

On 2012-09-07, Steve wrote:
I am in northern CA.

Anywhere near McCloud?

http://stopnestlewaters.org/communities/mccloud-ca

The website is out of date, but the problems remain.

nb

--
Definition of objectivism:
"Eff you! I got mine."
http://www.nongmoproject.org/

On 9/8/2012 9:33 AM, Red wrote:
On Sep 8, 7:46 am, "
wrote:

The well drilling company is not going to know that information
unless they are the ONLY company in your entire area and
install and maintain ALL of the wells...

Assuming, of course, that they are complete idiots and that have no clue
what the competition is up to.

LOL. Another Evan classic. It would take a hell of a lot of new
wells
in an area for that to be the cause of the drop in water of 140 ft in
4 years. Or some MAJOR new wells, ie municipal ones. In my
world, the well drillers would know if that was the cause. After all,
it's their business. At least the well drillers I'd be dealing with.
Also, typically they service more than one well and if the water
table has dropped 140 ft in an area, they would be getting a lot
of calls for the same thing.



Sounds like a trip to your local water board or resources
authority is in order so you can inquire about such recent
developments and report your findings of a 140' drop in
the water level of your well in four years time... Someone
else may have sunk a deep well causing your problem or
there may be too many wells...- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

In my world, someone else drilling a new well doesn't cause
a 140 ft drop in my well. Unless maybe the well is right next door
and is a major municipal one. In which case you would think
you would know it went in. Asking neighbors who have similar
wells if they have any problems would be a good idea.

What's that well used for? 55GPM is a lot more than the
typical residential well.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

+1
In my world my aquafer has a refresh rate of 1.5 million gallons per
day. If the OP's well did drop that much in that length of time I
would guess his well is either not in an aquafer or there was a major
ground fault event, which would be well known to all who use it.


I know of a few instances where folks had to have wells re drilled
because the first one did not access an adequate aquifer.

George wrote:
On 9/8/2012 12:46 AM, David Kaye wrote:
"Oren" wrote


So why are you guys in a water war, demanding water from Nevada?

We're not demanding water from Nevada; maybe Los Angeles is because
they're sharing Colorado River water. But here in heathen San
Francisco, our water comes from the Hetch Hetchy valley of Yosemite.
Across the bay in socialist Berkeley, their water comes from the
Mokelumne, which is a bit to the north also in Yosemite.

Interesting notes about the Hetch Hetchy: (1) the water is so pure
it is one of the few municipal water supplies that the EPA does not
require to be filtered, (2) it was a socialist water system at a
time when nearly all water services were private companies. As
such, there was more government money spent to do it RIGHT than what
a private company would have spent. (3) The system is entirely
gravity-fed requiring NO pumping stations in the 200 mile length of
the system from Yosemite to San Francisco. (4) Hetch Hetchy also
provides extremely low-cost power to governments and some businesses
and households. Where I live we have Hetch Hetchy low-cost power.

The Hetch Hetchy is an engineering miracle that only socialist
planners could have done because private industry is too damned
cheap to do anything but the minimum required to satisfy their
stockholders.
Just like the governments interstate highway system where the bridges
and roads are all falling apart decades before they should have needed
repairs? In that case the politicians did their best to pander to the
voters. If they had enough funding to build 100 miles of road they
just spread it out a little thinner and impressed everyone with 125
miles of roadway.

More anti-government ravings?

Most of the interstate highway system was built in 1961-1970, so it is already
over 50 years old, and still, for the most part, operational. It is time to
replace aging structures, but you can hardly say that it has fallen apart
decades before it should have needed repairs. Expecially since usage has in many
cases gone way beyond conditions when it was built.

On 9/8/2012 10:16 AM, Bob F wrote:
George wrote:
On 9/8/2012 12:46 AM, David Kaye wrote:
"Oren" wrote


So why are you guys in a water war, demanding water from Nevada?

We're not demanding water from Nevada; maybe Los Angeles is because
they're sharing Colorado River water. But here in heathen San
Francisco, our water comes from the Hetch Hetchy valley of Yosemite.
Across the bay in socialist Berkeley, their water comes from the
Mokelumne, which is a bit to the north also in Yosemite.

Interesting notes about the Hetch Hetchy: (1) the water is so pure
it is one of the few municipal water supplies that the EPA does not
require to be filtered, (2) it was a socialist water system at a
time when nearly all water services were private companies. As
such, there was more government money spent to do it RIGHT than what
a private company would have spent. (3) The system is entirely
gravity-fed requiring NO pumping stations in the 200 mile length of
the system from Yosemite to San Francisco. (4) Hetch Hetchy also
provides extremely low-cost power to governments and some businesses
and households. Where I live we have Hetch Hetchy low-cost power.

The Hetch Hetchy is an engineering miracle that only socialist
planners could have done because private industry is too damned
cheap to do anything but the minimum required to satisfy their
stockholders.
Just like the governments interstate highway system where the bridges
and roads are all falling apart decades before they should have needed
repairs? In that case the politicians did their best to pander to the
voters. If they had enough funding to build 100 miles of road they
just spread it out a little thinner and impressed everyone with 125
miles of roadway.

More anti-government ravings?

No, just facts. Go look at say some of the railroad bridges that are 50
years older than the interstate bridges and still in good shape.

They rebuilt all 3 of the nearby interstates near here because there was
insufficient earth removed and layers of stone put down and a purposeful
lack of drain tile. They have had to do emergency bridge repairs for the
past twenty years and now are replacing many of the bridges at great
expense because there were more bandaids than original bridge structure.
Our state university's well regarded materials lab was hired to do a
study of why the bridges are failing and the simple version of their
answer was "they weren't built to the standards of the day. If heavier
materials were used they would have lasted much longer"


A perfect example of the difference is a bridge crossing over a nearby
gorge. The original bridge was built in the mid 40s as part of the
"Smithville bypass" When the interstates came along in that area in 1978
they used the old roadway and bridges as the northbound lane. They
didn't do much with the bridges and redid the roadway. So there were two
massive bridges side by side crossing the gorge. Two years ago the
original bridge that was built properly only needed a paint job. The
newer interstate bridge had to be torn down and rebuilt because it was
lighter construction than it should have been.



Most of the interstate highway system was built in 1961-1970, so it is already
over 50 years old, and still, for the most part, operational. It is time to
replace aging structures, but you can hardly say that it has fallen apart
decades before it should have needed repairs. Expecially since usage has in many
cases gone way beyond conditions when it was built.

On Fri, 7 Sep 2012 18:46:23 -0700, "David Kaye"
wrote:

If it's the end of the world, nobody's told us about it yet. Oh, the
temperature in SF right now is 67 under sunny skies. God is blessing us
heathens once again.


Which God are you referring to? They all have a different agenda!

In article ,
wrote:

On Fri, 7 Sep 2012 18:46:23 -0700, "David Kaye"
wrote:

If it's the end of the world, nobody's told us about it yet. Oh, the
temperature in SF right now is 67 under sunny skies. God is blessing us
heathens once again.


Which God are you referring to? They all have a different agenda!

I find myself to be polyatheistic. There are a whole bunch of gods I
don't believe in.
--
America is at that awkward stage. It's too late
to work within the system, but too early to shoot
the *******s."-- Claire Wolfe

On Sep 8, 8:46*am, "
wrote:
On Sep 7, 10:31*pm, DerbyDad03 wrote:









Evan wrote:
On Sep 7, 5:36 pm, Steve wrote:
I put in a well 4 years ago that produced 55gpm at 70psi. Last week I
noticed the water pressure was fluctuating. I had the well drillers
measure the water depth and it had dropped 140' from where it was. Has
anyone heard of this drastic water table change before? Is it possible
my well collapsed? I am in northern CA.
Steve

Sounds like you need to investigate other developments
in your area and see how many *other* houses/buildings
have installed new wells in the past four years which may
be depleting the aquifer in your immediate area...

The well drilling company is not going to know that information
unless they are the ONLY company in your entire area and
install and maintain ALL of the wells...

Assuming, of course, that they are complete idiots and that have no clue
what the competition is up to.

LOL. * Another Evan classic. * It would take a hell of a lot of new
wells
in an area for that to be the cause of the drop in water of 140 ft in
4 years. *Or some MAJOR new wells, ie municipal ones. *In my
world, the well drillers would know if that was the cause. *After all,
it's their business. *At least the well drillers I'd be dealing with.
Also, typically they service more than one well and if the water
table has dropped 140 ft in an area, they would be getting a lot
of calls for the same thing.



Sounds like a trip to your local water board or resources
authority is in order so you can inquire about such recent
developments and report your findings of a 140' drop in
the water level of your well in four years time... *Someone
else may have sunk a deep well causing your problem or
there may be too many wells...- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

In my world, someone else drilling a new well doesn't cause
a 140 ft drop in my well. *Unless maybe the well is right next door
and is a major municipal one. *In which case you would think
you would know it went in. *Asking neighbors who have similar
wells if they have any problems would be a good idea.

What's that well used for? *55GPM is a lot more than the
typical residential well.

Things the well company would NOT be aware of
would be developments where water shedding has
been diverted or is being collected for some purpose
and the aquifer is thus not being replenished at a
rate which can sustain the normal level of the
water table...

Another thing a well company would have ZERO
clue about would be a construction project which
has penetrated the water retaining layers of soil
in the OP's general area and the water level is
lowered due to the leakage of the aquifer due
to the disruption of the those layers...

Another classic trader bull**** reply... Not even
knowing where the OP is located or how many
other people are in the same aquifer as the OP
and assumes that his knowledge of hydrology
and geoscience is superior to everyone else's
when he has ZERO knowledge of the site conditions
or the number of customers who might be calling
the well drilling companies to complain -- the OP
might just be in an unlucky location where the
natural underground flow of water has been
blocked or disrupted for a vast number of causes,
he doesn't know, apparently the well company
doesn't know so some research has to be done
to attempt to find the cause of the drop in the
level of the well, your assumptions aside, YOU
don't know anything beyond what the OP has
stated and there are not anything which could
be described as proper facts given to be able
to so conclusively state anything in the manner
you have done here...

On Sep 8, 1:25*pm, Evan wrote:
On Sep 8, 8:46*am, "
wrote:





On Sep 7, 10:31*pm, DerbyDad03 wrote:

Evan wrote:
On Sep 7, 5:36 pm, Steve wrote:
I put in a well 4 years ago that produced 55gpm at 70psi. Last week I
noticed the water pressure was fluctuating. I had the well drillers
measure the water depth and it had dropped 140' from where it was. Has
anyone heard of this drastic water table change before? Is it possible
my well collapsed? I am in northern CA.
Steve

Sounds like you need to investigate other developments
in your area and see how many *other* houses/buildings
have installed new wells in the past four years which may
be depleting the aquifer in your immediate area...

The well drilling company is not going to know that information
unless they are the ONLY company in your entire area and
install and maintain ALL of the wells...

Assuming, of course, that they are complete idiots and that have no clue
what the competition is up to.

LOL. * Another Evan classic. * It would take a hell of a lot of new
wells
in an area for that to be the cause of the drop in water of 140 ft in
4 years. *Or some MAJOR new wells, ie municipal ones. *In my
world, the well drillers would know if that was the cause. *After all,
it's their business. *At least the well drillers I'd be dealing with.
Also, typically they service more than one well and if the water
table has dropped 140 ft in an area, they would be getting a lot
of calls for the same thing.

Sounds like a trip to your local water board or resources
authority is in order so you can inquire about such recent
developments and report your findings of a 140' drop in
the water level of your well in four years time... *Someone
else may have sunk a deep well causing your problem or
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In my world, someone else drilling a new well doesn't cause
a 140 ft drop in my well. *Unless maybe the well is right next door
and is a major municipal one. *In which case you would think
you would know it went in. *Asking neighbors who have similar
wells if they have any problems would be a good idea.

What's that well used for? *55GPM is a lot more than the
typical residential well.

Things the well company would NOT be aware of
would be developments where water shedding has
been diverted or is being collected for some purpose
and the aquifer is thus not being replenished at a
rate which can sustain the normal level of the
water table...

Things which Evan would not be aware of:

Aquifers are something well drillers are VERY aware
of. It's there business, because, well, that's where the
water is. And acquifers typically cover large areas.
You don't just drop the level of water in an acquifer
140ft in one localized spot. And you don't drop it
140ft by collecting or diverting, unless that is some
major project, which again, a well driller is going
to know about. If a major acquifer that a lot of people
are using drops that much, it should be all over the
news, with people having severe problems.

You really think he's going to go to some state
water board and they're going to tell him, "Oh
yeah, the xyz aquifer at 200ft has dropped 140ft
because of the new dam on the whacko river..."
and the local well driller isn't going to know about it?
Maybe, but not very typical in my world.






Another thing a well company would have ZERO
clue about would be a construction project which
has penetrated the water retaining layers of soil
in the OP's general area and the water level is
lowered due to the leakage of the aquifer due
to the disruption of the those layers...

You did read the part about the water level dropping
140 ft, right? That means the well itself must be
significantly deeper than that. What kind of construction
projects in your experience take out retaining layers of
soil 200ft down, below an aquifer? How does one
get the necessary DEP permits for that?




Another classic trader bull**** reply... *Not even
knowing where the OP is located or how many
other people are in the same aquifer as the OP
and assumes that his knowledge of hydrology
and geoscience is superior to everyone else's
when he has ZERO knowledge of the site conditions
or the number of customers who might be calling
the well drilling companies to complain -- the OP
might just be in an unlucky location where the
natural underground flow of water has been
blocked or disrupted for a vast number of causes,
he doesn't know, apparently the well company
doesn't know so some research has to be done
to attempt to find the cause of the drop in the
level of the well, your assumptions aside, YOU
don't know anything beyond what the OP has
stated and there are not anything which could
be described as proper facts given to be able
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As usual, so far I don't see anyone agreeing with
you.

"George" wrote

Just like the governments interstate highway system where the bridges and
roads are all falling apart decades before they should have needed
repairs?

Uh, decades before they needed repairs? In most of these cases the bridges
and roads were NOT maintained due to government budget cutbacks and what's
more, the roads and bridges were overused compared to their intended
capacities, which causes extensive wear.

The Interstate highway system was built between 40 and 55 years ago. There
are stretches in California where they look as pristine as when they were
built (I-280 between SF and San Jose), and those that look like they're
about to crumble (I-580 between Oakland and Hayward). The difference is
overuse. I-580 has more than double the intended traffic. I-280 has about
30% of its intended traffic.


In that case the politicians did their best to pander to the voters. If
they had enough funding to build 100 miles of road they just spread it out
a little thinner and impressed everyone with 125 miles of roadway.

I'm not sure where you're talking about, but if this is true, it's likely
because of the "tax revolts" of the 1970s when California unfortunately
passed Proposition 13 and effectively killed off local government's ability
to fix anything.

But if you insist that private industry could do a better job, remember that
(1) the job goes to the lowest bidder by law in most cases, and (2) private
business has to build in a profit margin, making the cost of any project
higher by anything from 15% to 50% than what government can do for the same
price.

"bob haller" wrote

any earthquakes in area recently?

Nope.

"notbob" wrote

The guy is living in a dream. CA is a freaking nightmare! This from
a native who moved out 5 yrs ago, after my last 35 yrs in the SFBA.
Couldn't get me back there at gunpoint! My two closest friends back
there will be gone by next yr.

California is a HUGE state both in size and in population (38 million). I'm
all in favor of people moving away from California because our cities are
already overcrowded. The dot-com bust of the early 2000s was a relief to us
because we could finally shop at Safeway without waiting in lines, and we
could go out to dinner and not need reservations. So, go ahead and move
away. We won't miss you. You're only 1 in 38,000,000.

There's been water wars in CA since the first settlers, since the
goldrush. First too much wter, then too little water. The biggest
water ware is Norcal against Socal and has been for 50 yrs. Norcal
gots it, Socal wants it. NV and AZ are small potatoes in comparison,
though still active hard fought fronts. It's gonna get worse.

You're absolutely right. Central and Southern California are built on
desert. They should not have been settled by so many people because they're
dependent on water. The City and County of San Francisco shouldn't have
flooded the Hetch Hetchy Valley to capture Sierra snow for our water supply.
The Comanche Reservoir (which provides water for other Bay Area cities)
shouldn't have been built, either. But they were, and it was because of
this GOVERNMENT intervention that we've been able to live here. No private
water company could have afforded to built such massive water projects.

No doubt Southern California's problems will get worse. But, that's their
problem. They should be limiting construction. Sacramento tried to do this
a few years ago and the U.S. Supreme Court (the Bush court, by the way) said
that this was unconstitutional because it restrained business or something.


The only thing I miss about CA is sitting on the beach and looking out
over the ocean, sipping some wine, and nibbling some cheese n' bread.
Even that exists only in my memories. CA, the reality, is a car
clogged Hell!

Depends where you live. Two days ago I spent the day in Tomales, a
community with one general store, a hotel, a bar, and not much else, oh, and
plenty of water...

On 9/8/2012 8:33 AM, Red wrote:
On Sep 8, 7:46 am, "
wrote:

The well drilling company is not going to know that information
unless they are the ONLY company in your entire area and
install and maintain ALL of the wells...

Assuming, of course, that they are complete idiots and that have no clue
what the competition is up to.

LOL. Another Evan classic. It would take a hell of a lot of new
wells
in an area for that to be the cause of the drop in water of 140 ft in
4 years. Or some MAJOR new wells, ie municipal ones. In my
world, the well drillers would know if that was the cause. After all,
it's their business. At least the well drillers I'd be dealing with.
Also, typically they service more than one well and if the water
table has dropped 140 ft in an area, they would be getting a lot
of calls for the same thing.



Sounds like a trip to your local water board or resources
authority is in order so you can inquire about such recent
developments and report your findings of a 140' drop in
the water level of your well in four years time... Someone
else may have sunk a deep well causing your problem or
there may be too many wells...- Hide quoted text -

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In my world, someone else drilling a new well doesn't cause
a 140 ft drop in my well. Unless maybe the well is right next door
and is a major municipal one. In which case you would think
you would know it went in. Asking neighbors who have similar
wells if they have any problems would be a good idea.

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+1
In my world my aquafer has a refresh rate of 1.5 million gallons per
day. If the OP's well did drop that much in that length of time I
would guess his well is either not in an aquafer or there was a major
ground fault event, which would be well known to all who use it.


Are you thinking earthquake like I first did when I read the post? O_o

TDD

On Sat, 08 Sep 2012 11:51:45 -0400, George
wrote:

On 9/8/2012 10:16 AM, Bob F wrote:
George wrote:
On 9/8/2012 12:46 AM, David Kaye wrote:
"Oren" wrote


So why are you guys in a water war, demanding water from Nevada?

We're not demanding water from Nevada; maybe Los Angeles is because
they're sharing Colorado River water. But here in heathen San
Francisco, our water comes from the Hetch Hetchy valley of Yosemite.
Across the bay in socialist Berkeley, their water comes from the
Mokelumne, which is a bit to the north also in Yosemite.

Interesting notes about the Hetch Hetchy: (1) the water is so pure
it is one of the few municipal water supplies that the EPA does not
require to be filtered, (2) it was a socialist water system at a
time when nearly all water services were private companies. As
such, there was more government money spent to do it RIGHT than what
a private company would have spent. (3) The system is entirely
gravity-fed requiring NO pumping stations in the 200 mile length of
the system from Yosemite to San Francisco. (4) Hetch Hetchy also
provides extremely low-cost power to governments and some businesses
and households. Where I live we have Hetch Hetchy low-cost power.

The Hetch Hetchy is an engineering miracle that only socialist
planners could have done because private industry is too damned
cheap to do anything but the minimum required to satisfy their
stockholders.
Just like the governments interstate highway system where the bridges
and roads are all falling apart decades before they should have needed
repairs? In that case the politicians did their best to pander to the
voters. If they had enough funding to build 100 miles of road they
just spread it out a little thinner and impressed everyone with 125
miles of roadway.

More anti-government ravings?

No, just facts. Go look at say some of the railroad bridges that are 50
years older than the interstate bridges and still in good shape.

They rebuilt all 3 of the nearby interstates near here because there was
insufficient earth removed and layers of stone put down and a purposeful
lack of drain tile. They have had to do emergency bridge repairs for the
past twenty years and now are replacing many of the bridges at great
expense because there were more bandaids than original bridge structure.
Our state university's well regarded materials lab was hired to do a
study of why the bridges are failing and the simple version of their
answer was "they weren't built to the standards of the day. If heavier
materials were used they would have lasted much longer"


A perfect example of the difference is a bridge crossing over a nearby
gorge. The original bridge was built in the mid 40s as part of the
"Smithville bypass" When the interstates came along in that area in 1978
they used the old roadway and bridges as the northbound lane. They
didn't do much with the bridges and redid the roadway. So there were two
massive bridges side by side crossing the gorge. Two years ago the
original bridge that was built properly only needed a paint job. The
newer interstate bridge had to be torn down and rebuilt because it was
lighter construction than it should have been.



Most of the interstate highway system was built in 1961-1970, so it is already
over 50 years old, and still, for the most part, operational. It is time to
replace aging structures, but you can hardly say that it has fallen apart
decades before it should have needed repairs. Expecially since usage has in many
cases gone way beyond conditions when it was built.




You sound like a politician but not an engineer.

On Sep 8, 12:43*pm, "
wrote:


You did read the part about the water level dropping
140 ft, right? *That means the well itself must be
significantly deeper than that.

Not necessarily. My driller went to the bottom of the aquifer, as
evidenced by soil composition, and then backed up about 10' to prevent
silt clogging. So the fast majority of the well is above the pump and
not below.


As usual, so far I don't see anyone agreeing with
you.

On Sep 8, 3:32*pm, The Daring Dufas the-daring-du...@stinky-
finger.net wrote:


+1
In my world my aquafer has a refresh rate of 1.5 million gallons per
day. *If the OP's well did drop that much in that length of time I
would guess his well is either not in an aquafer or there was a major
ground fault event, which would be well known to all who use it.

Are you thinking earthquake like I first did when I read the post? O_o

TDD

Yep, especially when he said he lived in California.

On 9/8/2012 9:25 PM, Red wrote:
On Sep 8, 3:32 pm, The Daring Dufas the-daring-du...@stinky-
finger.net wrote:


+1
In my world my aquafer has a refresh rate of 1.5 million gallons per
day. If the OP's well did drop that much in that length of time I
would guess his well is either not in an aquafer or there was a major
ground fault event, which would be well known to all who use it.

Are you thinking earthquake like I first did when I read the post? O_o

TDD

Yep, especially when he said he lived in California.


The first earthquake I ever experienced was in the early 70's in West
Alabamastan, Tuscaloosa Province. I was sitting on the toilet in my
apartment when the toilet suddenly started rocking. I immediately
thought it was due to the large pizza I had consumed the night before
but I later found out that there was a rare earthquake that had shaken
the area. When I was in Californiastan in the late 80's, I was bounced
around in bed on a regular basis due to quakes that felt like a big rig
passing by the bedroom window. No wonder folks in Californiastan are so
jumpy. ^_^

TDD

On Sep 8, 3:45*pm, "David Kaye" wrote:
"bob haller" wrote

any earthquakes in area recently?

Nope.

may have been any time since the well was drilled......

in any case you need a new deeper well, the cause is secondary at
best........

which would be someone doing something illegal that somehow effected
the water table.....

so what was your drillers cost and depth estimate???

On Sep 8, 10:10*pm, The Daring Dufas the-daring-du...@stinky-
finger.net wrote:


Yep, especially when he said he lived in California.

The first earthquake I ever experienced was in the early 70's in West
Alabamastan, Tuscaloosa Province. I was sitting on the toilet in my
apartment when the toilet suddenly started rocking. I immediately
thought it was due to the large pizza I had consumed the night before
but I later found out that there was a rare earthquake that had shaken
the area. When I was in Californiastan in the late 80's, I was bounced
around in bed on a regular basis due to quakes that felt like a big rig
passing by the bedroom window. No wonder folks in Californiastan are so
jumpy. ^_^

TDD

Yeah, I remember the northwest Alabama one. Scared a lot of people
and made the insurance companies wealthy when people flocked to their
agents for earthquake coverage. Haven't had one since AFAIK.