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When I was growing up, a telephone was a device you used to dial a
number and speak with a friend or business person. You'd stick your
finger in the hole for each number you wanted to dial, and rotated the
dial. After dialing either four or seven numbers, someone would say
"hello". (Unless the party line was being used, and then you would have
to wait awhile). That's not too complicated or hard to understand.

However, something is wrong with the kids today. Apparently their
education is awry and the schools are to blame.

One particular kid tried to take my picture with a telephone. Good
Grief, what an idiot. After laughing my ass off, and telling him to go
back to school, I decided to play along, and said "Cheese", while he
aimed his phone at me. Then he must have shined a flashlight from
behind that phone to make it look like a flash. Before I left, I told
him to go to a store and buy a camera, a roll of film, and some flash
bulbs if he really wanted to take pictures.

Then another stupid kid told me he could go on the internet on his
phone. I said, "Come on.... you need a computer for that, and asked him
if he could see a webpage inside the circles on the dial of his rotary
phone. The dummy asked me what a rotary phone is..... Thats exactly
what I mean about blaming the schools. I just laughed and told him to
get a life..... and an education!

The worst one was the kid who said he was playing a game on his phone.
I asked him if he was making prank calls to the pizza restaurant,
ordering 100 pizzas to be delivered to Mr. Lion at the zoo. He thought
I was funny when I told him that those are the games we used to play on
the telephone. But the whole time he kept pushing buttons on his phone,
pretending to play some game. As I walked away, I told him that if he
kept that up, he would end up calling the police, and they would come
and take him to the nut house.

What is wrong with these kids today? Why cant they figure out how to
use a telephone? It's really not that difficult. And to make matters
worse, why can't the comprehend that their phone is not going to work
when the cord is not plugged into the wall? Beleive it or not, I've
actually seen these kids walking down the street talking into a
telephone. Who are they talking to? Even if phone cords are getting
longer, they dont make them so long that they can be connected when they
are three blocks away from home.

I think it's time we re-educate all the teachers that are supposed to be
teaching our children, particularly when it comes to telephone usage.

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A telephone, now days. The phone numbers have gotten so, so long. Kids will
dial phone numbers with their two thumbs, and keep dialing, and dialing. And
some how never quite get connected.

The phone style has also changed. Used to be we said someething useful, and
then hang up. Now, kids will, like, say, uh, like, you know, like, uh, you
know, and he went, and then I went, and like she went, like, and it was,
like, and she went. But never say anything useful.

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When I was growing up, a telephone was a device you used to dial a
number and speak with a friend or business person. You'd stick your
finger in the hole for each number you wanted to dial, and rotated the
dial. After dialing either four or seven numbers, someone would say
"hello". (Unless the party line was being used, and then you would have
to wait awhile). That's not too complicated or hard to understand.

However, something is wrong with the kids today. Apparently their
education is awry and the schools are to blame.

One particular kid tried to take my picture with a telephone. Good
Grief, what an idiot. After laughing my ass off, and telling him to go
back to school, I decided to play along, and said "Cheese", while he
aimed his phone at me. Then he must have shined a flashlight from
behind that phone to make it look like a flash. Before I left, I told
him to go to a store and buy a camera, a roll of film, and some flash
bulbs if he really wanted to take pictures.

Then another stupid kid told me he could go on the internet on his
phone. I said, "Come on.... you need a computer for that, and asked him
if he could see a webpage inside the circles on the dial of his rotary
phone. The dummy asked me what a rotary phone is..... Thats exactly
what I mean about blaming the schools. I just laughed and told him to
get a life..... and an education!

The worst one was the kid who said he was playing a game on his phone.
I asked him if he was making prank calls to the pizza restaurant,
ordering 100 pizzas to be delivered to Mr. Lion at the zoo. He thought
I was funny when I told him that those are the games we used to play on
the telephone. But the whole time he kept pushing buttons on his phone,
pretending to play some game. As I walked away, I told him that if he
kept that up, he would end up calling the police, and they would come
and take him to the nut house.

What is wrong with these kids today? Why cant they figure out how to
use a telephone? It's really not that difficult. And to make matters
worse, why can't the comprehend that their phone is not going to work
when the cord is not plugged into the wall? Beleive it or not, I've
actually seen these kids walking down the street talking into a
telephone. Who are they talking to? Even if phone cords are getting
longer, they dont make them so long that they can be connected when they
are three blocks away from home.

I think it's time we re-educate all the teachers that are supposed to be
teaching our children, particularly when it comes to telephone usage.



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A telephone, now days. The phone numbers have gotten so, so long.
Kids will dial phone numbers with their two thumbs, and keep dialing,
and dialing. And some how never quite get connected.

The phone style has also changed. Used to be we said someething
useful, and then hang up. Now, kids will, like, say, uh, like, you
know, like, uh, you know, and he went, and then I went, and like she
went, like, and it was, like, and she went. But never say anything
useful.

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Maybe it's time to move out of the trailer park. Or is it just mormon kids you
know?


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Bob F wrote:
Stormin Mormon wrote:
A telephone, now days. The phone numbers have gotten so, so long.
Kids will dial phone numbers with their two thumbs, and keep dialing,
and dialing. And some how never quite get connected.

The phone style has also changed. Used to be we said someething
useful, and then hang up. Now, kids will, like, say, uh, like, you
know, like, uh, you know, and he went, and then I went, and like she
went, like, and it was, like, and she went. But never say anything
useful.


Sounds like you are describing what I call "drama".
I don't consider drama useful either. We need to help
teach them not to waste their time!



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Maybe it's time to move out of the trailer park. Or is it just mormon kids you
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Stormin Mormon wrote:
A telephone, now days. The phone numbers have gotten so, so long.
Kids will dial phone numbers with their two thumbs, and keep dialing,
and dialing. And some how never quite get connected.

The phone style has also changed. Used to be we said someething
useful, and then hang up. Now, kids will, like, say, uh, like, you
know, like, uh, you know, and he went, and then I went, and like she
went, like, and it was, like, and she went. But never say anything
useful.

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Maybe it's time to move out of the trailer park. Or is it just mormon kids you
know?


Well, doesn't that sound just like a liberal, mud-slinging turd.
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On Tue, 7 Aug 2012 11:10:57 -0700, "Bob F"
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Stormin Mormon wrote:
A telephone, now days. The phone numbers have gotten so, so long.
Kids will dial phone numbers with their two thumbs, and keep dialing,
and dialing. And some how never quite get connected.

The phone style has also changed. Used to be we said someething
useful, and then hang up. Now, kids will, like, say, uh, like, you
know, like, uh, you know, and he went, and then I went, and like she
went, like, and it was, like, and she went. But never say anything
useful.

Christopher A. Young
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Maybe it's time to move out of the trailer park. Or is it just mormon kids you
know?


Well, doesn't that sound just like a liberal, mud-slinging turd.


Is there any other kind?
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"Mark Lloyd" wrote

It was five numbers here (until about 1990). A benefit of a small town,
that's not small anymore.


Today you can talk on your iPhone to a woman named Siri tell Siri "Call
415-767-1212" and Siri will call John. Back when I was a tot, my mom taught
me to pick up the phone and talk to some woman named Operator. I told
Operator to "Call DEcoto 2-7701" and in a moment I was connected with my
grandmother.

Some things don't change.





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Mark Lloyd wrote the following on 8/7/2012 11:47 AM (ET):
On 08/07/2012 03:56 AM, wrote:
When I was growing up, a telephone was a device you used to dial a
number and speak with a friend or business person. You'd stick your
finger in the hole for each number you wanted to dial, and rotated the
dial. After dialing either four or seven numbers, someone would say
"hello". (Unless the party line was being used, and then you would have
to wait awhile). That's not too complicated or hard to understand.


It was five numbers here (until about 1990). A benefit of a small town,
that's not small anymore.


Only the last 4 numbers when I was a kid.


Same here.

And when I was a kid, making a long distance call was a major decision,
due to the cost. You'd have to write down what to tell grandma, so you
could keep the call short, and the whole family would gather and
everyone would get two minutes to talk.

These days, the guy next door might have a cellphone using an exchange
that requires dialing "1" plus 10 more numbers, and be billed as long
distance. And even to make a local call on a cellphone requires dialing
the area code, or a minimum of ten numbers.

This think called "progress" continues to make our lives more
complicated. And I thought it was supposed to make our lives more
simple!!!!!

Personally, I think we reached our peak of technology in the 1970's. It
helped us in our daily lives. Then came more and more "bells and
whistles", (bloat) and soon the technology made our lives more
complicated. Computers are at the top of this list. The computers and
operating systems from the 90's were far more simple and easy to use
than those of today. MS Windows 98 was the best operating system made.
Now we need tremendous amounts of power to achieve the same results. I
blame it on our youth. They are the ones who want more and more power
and a million buttons to operate everything. I was looking at a simple
radio at a store one day recently. Over 30 buttons to operate the
thing. Hell, I remember when a radio only needed 2 knobs. VOLUME
(included on/off switch), and TUNING. A bass/treble control was a
luxury item.

Today, my car has some button that is supposed to find radio stations.
Yep, it finds them, and it changes the station every 2 seconds. I call
that thing the "sing control". Because when the radio starts doing that
annoying bull****, I shut it OFF and resort to singing my own songs.....

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On 09 Aug 2012 02:23:12 GMT, frag wrote:

dialing the area code, or a minimum of ten numbers.

This think called "progress" continues to make our lives more
complicated. And I thought it was supposed to make our lives more
simple!!!!!

Personally, I think we reached our peak of technology in the 1970's.
It helped us in our daily lives. Then came more and more "bells and
whistles", (bloat) and soon the technology made our lives more
complicated. Computers are at the top of this list. The computers
and operating systems from the 90's were far more simple and easy to
use than those of today. MS Windows 98 was the best operating system
made. Now we need tremendous amounts of power to achieve the same
results. I blame it on our youth. They are the ones who want more
and more power and a million buttons to operate everything. I was
looking at a simple radio at a store one day recently. Over 30
buttons to operate the thing. Hell, I remember when a radio only
needed 2 knobs. VOLUME (included on/off switch), and TUNING. A
bass/treble control was a luxury item.

Today, my car has some button that is supposed to find radio stations.
Yep, it finds them, and it changes the station every 2 seconds. I
call that thing the "sing control". Because when the radio starts
doing that annoying bull****, I shut it OFF and resort to singing my
own songs.....



You know the movie where all the robots take over the world? The
Terminator....well, it's coming. Soon. God help anyone still alive.


I dont doubt that at all !!!!!

Here is one example that is near laughable.

I went to a rock concert at the county festival. Before the show I was
watching the guys set up the sound system. They had a (so called)
"Professional" Sound Company. They had a crew of 6 people setting up
this system.

They had three sound boards with around 50 channels each, two more sound
boards with around 30 channels. Three huge stacks filled with
equalizers, sound effects boards and God only knows what else was in
there. There were three computers connected, showing all sorts of
graphics of the music (similar to equalizers in oscilloscope format),
and a dozen other external boxes.
That amounts to 210 inputs on the boards, and all that other crap.

The band consisted of 5 people. Lets see, that's 5 microphones, maybe 3
guitars, a keyboard, and lets be generous and say that the drum set had
10 mics on it. Then I'll add 3 more inputs for odds and ends, and 1
more for the CD or MP3 player used during intermission.
That's 23 inputs total.

Why the hell did they have 210 inputs?

Heck, one of the 30 channel boards would have been more than enough.

The laughable part is that after they spent almost the whole day
connecting all this stuff, the band itself was excellent, but the sound
was barely acceptable. I should mention that I ran sound for bands when
I was younger, and know what sounds good and what is not.
This was NOT what I'd consider "good" sound.

**** One week later ****

I saw this same band at another event. This time they had a simple 30
channel sound board with one guy running it. This happened to be the
band's own sound system, and sound man. Not only was the sound awesome,
but this same man also ran the lighting and I was highly impressed by
the special effects he did with the lights. After the show, I could not
resist. I went up to him and complimented him on the sound and the
lights. Then I said "they sure could have used you last week at the
(other place). He grinned from ear to ear and said "yea, I heard that
mess"...... Then said "the directors of that event insisted on doing a
contract with that *professional sound company* for all shows at that
whole event, and paid big money for them".......

I just said "that was a mistake"!

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And when I was a kid, making a long distance call was a major decision,
due to the cost. You'd have to write down what to tell grandma, so you
could keep the call short, and the whole family would gather and
everyone would get two minutes to talk.


....more snippage occurred.

When we were young and went on a trip, our parents always wanted us to call
home when we arrived. Since long distance was expensive, our trick was to
make an operator assisted collect call to our home. When the operator asked
my mom if she would accept the charges, she would say "No!" and hang up. If
we didn't call back, she knew that it was just a "We arrived safely" call.
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Many people did this, and it's dishonest. You are conveying a message, but
not paying for the otherwise paid service.

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When we were young and went on a trip, our parents always wanted us to call
home when we arrived. Since long distance was expensive, our trick was to
make an operator assisted collect call to our home. When the operator asked
my mom if she would accept the charges, she would say "No!" and hang up. If
we didn't call back, she knew that it was just a "We arrived safely" call.




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On 8/9/2012 4:07 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:

When we were young and went on a trip, our parents always wanted us to call
home when we arrived. Since long distance was expensive, our trick was to
make an operator assisted collect call to our home. When the operator asked
my mom if she would accept the charges, she would say "No!" and hang up. If
we didn't call back, she knew that it was just a "We arrived safely" call.


It was called "signaling." I recently told my sister "signal when you
get home."


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Many people did this, and it's dishonest. You are conveying a message, but
not paying for the otherwise paid service.


I did this too, and I plan to go to hell for cheating the Telco out of
fifty cents. Mormons know all about hell. They visit there regularly
to inspect the furnaces!


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When we were young and went on a trip, our parents always wanted us to call
home when we arrived. Since long distance was expensive, our trick was to
make an operator assisted collect call to our home. When the operator asked
my mom if she would accept the charges, she would say "No!" and hang up. If
we didn't call back, she knew that it was just a "We arrived safely" call.


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Many people did this, and it's dishonest. You are conveying a message, but
not paying for the otherwise paid service.



Bull****. When I was a kid visiting grandmom my mom always called and
let the phone ring for 3 times (then hang up)when we got home to get the
message all was safe. If grandmom didn't get the call in a reasonable
tine, then she could find out what is up.

Remember, long distance used to cost a fortune. As long as the call is
not connected, there was no charge. I don't think that's dishonest.
Calls fail to connect all the time, it's not like you're using the
actual service that is chargeable.



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One particular kid tried to take my picture with a telephone. Good
Grief, what an idiot. After laughing my ass off, and telling him to go
back to school, I decided to play along, and said "Cheese", while he
aimed his phone at me. Then he must have shined a flashlight from
behind that phone to make it look like a flash.


I've got a kick-ass camera on my phone (HTC Radar, Windows mobile 7.5).
It is a 5-megapixel auto-focus camera with LED flash. Does burst shots,
set it to auto-flash, Timer, includes auto-uploading to Skydrive. It
collects lots of EXIF data, GPS location plus elevation above sea level
(GPS EXIF data can be disabled). F-stop is f.2.2, exposure time is
1/3125 sec. Set at ISO-74. Metering mode is set at "center weighted
average". It also has a camcorder, plenty of space for a long video (in
HD).

It's not a DSLR Camera, but the pictures are fantastic.


Holy ****. What language are you speaking? Can you post this in
english?



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I call it lying.

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It was called "signaling." I recently told my sister "signal when you
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On Fri, 10 Aug 2012 02:35:08 -0500, G. Morgan wrote:

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One particular kid tried to take my picture with a telephone. Good
Grief, what an idiot. After laughing my ass off, and telling him to go
back to school, I decided to play along, and said "Cheese", while he
aimed his phone at me. Then he must have shined a flashlight from
behind that phone to make it look like a flash.


I've got a kick-ass camera on my phone (HTC Radar, Windows mobile 7.5).
It is a 5-megapixel auto-focus camera with LED flash. Does burst shots,
set it to auto-flash, Timer, includes auto-uploading to Skydrive. It
collects lots of EXIF data, GPS location plus elevation above sea level
(GPS EXIF data can be disabled). F-stop is f.2.2, exposure time is
1/3125 sec. Set at ISO-74. Metering mode is set at "center weighted
average". It also has a camcorder, plenty of space for a long video (in
HD).

It's not a DSLR Camera, but the pictures are fantastic.


Holy ****. What language are you speaking? Can you post this in
english?


Lol... It means the cameras on phones are just as good or better than a
stand-alone camera. No longer do you need a still camera, camcorder,
voice recorder, calculator, etc... because it's all on modern phones
now. Multiple device integration, gotta love it (or hate it).

All those specs were in the metadata of a photo I took, I'm not a camera
expert. I just know it takes fantastic pictures. g




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On Tuesday, August 7, 2012 4:56:28 AM UTC-4, (unknown) wrote:
When I was growing up, a telephone was a device you used to dial a

number and speak with a friend or business person…


I miss having a mobile phone that's actually a phone, not a wireless Internet appliance that also pretends to make phone calls. You know: something with good call quality, something that can take a bit of a beating when I go on a hike, something that doesn't weigh close to a pound (a 1/2 kilo to the rest of the world)
something small enough to slip in my pocket.

And something that doesn't cost me an arm and a leg to use. My God, do you know what my wife's aunt in Indonesia paid for cell phone airtime? Eight rupia a minute. There are 9,000 rupia to a US dollar—that's 9/100ths of a CENT per minute, $0.0009. Here in the States I pay 13¢ a minute, and the coverage is crappier here than it was in the volcanic region of Central Java..

Gaah, I hate what the wireless carriers do to us. I want to go home, get a pair of pliers and a blowtorch and get medieval on someone's a--…


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On Tuesday, August 7, 2012 4:56:28 AM UTC-4, (unknown) wrote:
When I was growing up, a telephone was a device you used to dial a

number and speak with a friend or business person…


I miss having a mobile phone that's actually a phone, not a wireless
Internet appliance that also pretends to make phone calls. You know:
something with good call quality, something that can take a bit of a
beating when I go on a hike, something that doesn't weigh close to a pound
(a 1/2 kilo to the rest of the world)
something small enough to slip in my pocket.


There is an inexpensive flip phone that is usually sold at hearing aid
stores
I've also seen ads for it in the weekend newspaper ads pile
It's just a phone, doesn't even have text messaging. Although I now text
almost as often as I call, since it's quite convenient.
It's called a Jitterbug
http://www.jitterbugdirect.com/
(there may be other plans even less expensive)





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Let me guess..... workers in that country get paid 100 rupia an hour?

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And something that doesn't cost me an arm and a leg to use. My God, do you
know what my wife's aunt in Indonesia paid for cell phone airtime? Eight
rupia a minute. There are 9,000 rupia to a US dollar—that's 9/100ths of a
CENT per minute, $0.0009. Here in the States I pay 13¢ a minute, and the
coverage is crappier here than it was in the volcanic region of Central
Java.

Gaah, I hate what the wireless carriers do to us. I want to go home, get a
pair of pliers and a blowtorch and get medieval on someone's a--…


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On Fri, 10 Aug 2012 14:30:56 -0700 (PDT), Kyle wrote:

On Tuesday, August 7, 2012 4:56:28 AM UTC-4, (unknown) wrote:
When I was growing up, a telephone was a device you used to dial a

number and speak with a friend or business person…


I miss having a mobile phone that's actually a phone, not a wireless Internet appliance that also pretends to make phone calls. You know: something with good call quality, something that can take a bit of a beating when I go on a hike, something that doesn't weigh close to a pound (a 1/2 kilo to the rest of the world)
something small enough to slip in my pocket.


Wow! You Europeons really gotta get with technology. A cell phone that weighs
a *pound*?

And something that doesn't cost me an arm and a leg to use. My God, do you know what my wife's aunt in Indonesia paid for cell phone airtime? Eight rupia a minute. There are 9,000 rupia to a US dollar—that's 9/100ths of a CENT per minute, $0.0009. Here in the States I pay 13¢ a minute, and the coverage is crappier here than it was in the volcanic region of Central Java.


If you don't want all of the features, don't pay for them. Geez. How hard is
that?

Gaah, I hate what the wireless carriers do to us. I want to go home, get a pair of pliers and a blowtorch and get medieval on someone's a--…


If you don't like a service, don't. It really is that simple. Stop whining.
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On Fri, 10 Aug 2012 16:28:29 -0500, G. Morgan wrote:

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On Fri, 10 Aug 2012 02:35:08 -0500, G. Morgan wrote:

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One particular kid tried to take my picture with a telephone. Good
Grief, what an idiot. After laughing my ass off, and telling him to go
back to school, I decided to play along, and said "Cheese", while he
aimed his phone at me. Then he must have shined a flashlight from
behind that phone to make it look like a flash.

I've got a kick-ass camera on my phone (HTC Radar, Windows mobile 7.5).
It is a 5-megapixel auto-focus camera with LED flash. Does burst shots,
set it to auto-flash, Timer, includes auto-uploading to Skydrive. It
collects lots of EXIF data, GPS location plus elevation above sea level
(GPS EXIF data can be disabled). F-stop is f.2.2, exposure time is
1/3125 sec. Set at ISO-74. Metering mode is set at "center weighted
average". It also has a camcorder, plenty of space for a long video (in
HD).

It's not a DSLR Camera, but the pictures are fantastic.


Holy ****. What language are you speaking? Can you post this in
english?


Lol... It means the cameras on phones are just as good or better than a
stand-alone camera. No longer do you need a still camera, camcorder,
voice recorder, calculator, etc... because it's all on modern phones
now. Multiple device integration, gotta love it (or hate it).

All those specs were in the metadata of a photo I took, I'm not a camera
expert. I just know it takes fantastic pictures. g


Mine does a great job at macro photography, too. I've been using it to
document changes to circuit boards with some fairly small features and
components. Works great.

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G. Morgan wrote:
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Many people did this, and it's dishonest. You are conveying a message, but
not paying for the otherwise paid service.



Bull****. When I was a kid visiting grandmom my mom always called and
let the phone ring for 3 times (then hang up)when we got home to get the
message all was safe. If grandmom didn't get the call in a reasonable
tine, then she could find out what is up.

Remember, long distance used to cost a fortune. As long as the call is
not connected, there was no charge. I don't think that's dishonest.
Calls fail to connect all the time, it's not like you're using the
actual service that is chargeable.


You snipped the relevant part of the post that Stormin responded to.

Even though I'm the one who did it (quite often) I won't argue that
"faking" a collect call to convey a message is stealing to a certain
extent. Since these types of call were operator assisted, we were indeed
using the services of the phone company and the operator to convey a
message without paying for it.


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G. Morgan wrote:
Stormin Mormon wrote:


Many people did this, and it's dishonest. You are conveying a message, but
not paying for the otherwise paid service.



Bull****. When I was a kid visiting grandmom my mom always called and
let the phone ring for 3 times (then hang up)when we got home to get the
message all was safe. If grandmom didn't get the call in a reasonable
tine, then she could find out what is up.

Remember, long distance used to cost a fortune. As long as the call is
not connected, there was no charge. I don't think that's dishonest.
Calls fail to connect all the time, it's not like you're using the
actual service that is chargeable.


You snipped the relevant part of the post that Stormin responded to.

Even though I'm the one who did it (quite often) I won't argue that
"faking" a collect call to convey a message is stealing to a certain
extent. Since these types of call were operator assisted, we were indeed
using the services of the phone company and the operator to convey a
message without paying for it.


Sorry, missed the "operator assisted" part.

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