I`ve been looking to buy a new riding mower but everything I see will
not cut in reverse. I don`t have kids or pets to be concerned
about so how do I defeat this feature?

Herb,

You'll need to look at the wiring of your mower. On mine, there is a
forward and reverse lever. When reverse is selected the lever engages an
elictrical switch. This switch grounds out the engine and it stalls. Pulling
the wire off of this switch allows me to mow backwards.

Dave M.

On Tuesday, July 31, 2012 4:57:19 AM UTC-6, Herb Eneva wrote:
I`ve been looking to buy a new riding mower but everything I see will

not cut in reverse. I don`t have kids or pets to be concerned

about so how do I defeat this feature?

With Sears mowers the ignition switch can be positioned for reverse mowing
although they don't recommend using it. I use it all the time.

On Tuesday, July 31, 2012 3:57:19 AM UTC-7, Herb Eneva wrote:
I`ve been looking to buy a new riding mower but everything I see will

not cut in reverse. I don`t have kids or pets to be concerned

about so how do I defeat this feature?

Is this something new? I just bought a JD a couple yeas ago and it has the button you push to mow in reverse. I am sure all other brands had that or a similar method. Definitely a nuisance but it does not prevent reverse mowing.

Harry K

On 7/31/2012 9:53 AM, Harry K wrote:
On Tuesday, July 31, 2012 3:57:19 AM UTC-7, Herb Eneva wrote:
I`ve been looking to buy a new riding mower but everything I see will

not cut in reverse. I don`t have kids or pets to be concerned

about so how do I defeat this feature?

Is this something new? I just bought a JD a couple yeas ago and it
has the button you push to mow in reverse. I am sure all other brands had that or
a similar method. Definitely a nuisance but it does not prevent reverse mowing.

Harry K


My John Deere also has the button but I told the dealer to simply
disconnect the lock out or it was "no sale". He told me that it was
illegal but complied for the sale.

Don

"IGot2P" wrote in message
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On 7/31/2012 9:53 AM, Harry K wrote:
On Tuesday, July 31, 2012 3:57:19 AM UTC-7, Herb Eneva wrote:
I`ve been looking to buy a new riding mower but everything I see will

not cut in reverse. I don`t have kids or pets to be concerned

about so how do I defeat this feature?

Is this something new? I just bought a JD a couple yeas ago and it
has the button you push to mow in reverse. I am sure all other brands
had that or
a similar method. Definitely a nuisance but it does not prevent reverse
mowing.

Harry K


My John Deere also has the button but I told the dealer to simply
disconnect the lock out or it was "no sale". He told me that it was
illegal but complied for the sale.

My, over ten years old, John Deere had no button, but there was an
unofficial provision to unplug a cable and insert a jumper into the plug to
allow backing up while mowing. As I had no children and no animals it allows
me to mow faster without having to constantly start up the mower with the
resulting wear and tear on the mower components.

On Tue, 31 Jul 2012 07:49:26 -0700 (PDT), Roy wrote:

On Tuesday, July 31, 2012 4:57:19 AM UTC-6, Herb Eneva wrote:
I`ve been looking to buy a new riding mower but everything I see will

not cut in reverse. I don`t have kids or pets to be concerned

about so how do I defeat this feature?

With Sears mowers the ignition switch can be positioned for reverse mowing
although they don't recommend using it. I use it all the time.

Ditto.

Harry K wrote the following on 7/31/2012 10:53 AM (ET):
On Tuesday, July 31, 2012 3:57:19 AM UTC-7, Herb Eneva wrote:
I`ve been looking to buy a new riding mower but everything I see will
not cut in reverse. I don`t have kids or pets to be concerned
about so how do I defeat this feature?

Is this something new? I just bought a JD a couple yeas ago and it has the button you push to mow in reverse. I am sure all other brands had that or a similar method. Definitely a nuisance but it does not prevent reverse mowing.

Harry K


Your 'push button' to mow in reverse is new to me. Must be a mandated
safety feature to prevent running over your grandkids who may be
following your mower. It happens all too often, and mostly when
grandparents are operating the mower.
https://www.google.com/search?q=man+...ild+with+mower
My decade old garden tractor cuts in reverse without doing anything
special other than hitting the reverse pedal while the blades are
spinning. I do look behind before reversing though.


--
Bill
In Hamptonburgh, NY
In the original Orange County. Est. 1683
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On 7/31/2012 5:57 AM, Herb Eneva wrote:
I`ve been looking to buy a new riding mower but everything I see will
not cut in reverse. I don`t have kids or pets to be concerned
about so how do I defeat this feature?


I can't imagine such a feature. That's ridiculous.

--
Steve Barker
remove the "not" from my address to email

"willshak" wrote in message
...

Is this something new? I just bought a JD a couple yeas ago and it has
the button you push to mow in reverse. I am sure all other brands had
that or a similar method. Definitely a nuisance but it does not prevent
reverse mowing.

Harry K


Your 'push button' to mow in reverse is new to me. Must be a mandated
safety feature to prevent running over your grandkids who may be following
your mower. It happens all too often, and mostly when grandparents are
operating the mower.
https://www.google.com/search?q=man+...ild+with+mower
My decade old garden tractor cuts in reverse without doing anything
special other than hitting the reverse pedal while the blades are
spinning. I do look behind before reversing though.


The JD mower I bought about 6 years ago has the 'reverse mow' button. YOu
have to push it in or the mower will cut off when you backup with the blades
running. I did by pass that one. The seat switch has been standard for
many years. They had to replace the seat the first time I used my mower.
It would mow for about 100 feet and cut off, then do that again. Called
them out to repair the problem and they said it was the seat switch.


Seems that mowers have all kinds of safety devices on them now. It is
either a Government regulation or the mower companies put the safety devices
on them so they may not get sued when someone does something stupid. Just
look at all the warnnings on everything now.

On Tue, 31 Jul 2012 12:11:09 -0500, Steve Barker
wrote in
Re Riding mower
--- no cut in reverse:

On 7/31/2012 5:57 AM, Herb Eneva wrote:
I`ve been looking to buy a new riding mower but everything I see will
not cut in reverse. I don`t have kids or pets to be concerned
about so how do I defeat this feature?


I can't imagine such a feature. That's ridiculous.

Another good reason to hold on to your old cars and equipment for as
long as possible.

On 7/31/2012 6:57 AM, Herb Eneva wrote:
I`ve been looking to buy a new riding mower but everything I see will
not cut in reverse. I don`t have kids or pets to be concerned
about so how do I defeat this feature?


You Americans sure got some stupid safety laws. Bunch a pussies.
Sheeeeeeeesh!

On Tue, 31 Jul 2012 06:57:19 -0400, (Herb Eneva) wrote:

I`ve been looking to buy a new riding mower but everything I see will
not cut in reverse. I don`t have kids or pets to be concerned
about so how do I defeat this feature?

Are you saying that you can not drive this thing in reverse? What
happens when it's up against the house or a car or tree? Somehow I do
not comprehend this??????

If you *DO* have reverse, the blade is spinning, so it WILL cut. That
is unless these idiot engineers found a way to make another useless
safety feature that stops the blade from spinning when you back up.....
( I will not doubt that )!

Pretty soon, you wont be able to mow the lawn without a permit, costly
license and training course, and you must be over 21, under 70, within a
specific weight category, mentally sane, and not have a felony on your
record. When you get on the mower, you will be required to take a
breath and urine test to determine if you drank alcohol or took any
drugs. And dont forget the REQUIRED seat belt. These same laws will be
required to use any other motorized device such as a chain saw, weed
whacker, rototiller, generator, and more.....
Of course you all know that "We the People" control our government!!!

In article ,
wrote:
On Tue, 31 Jul 2012 06:57:19 -0400, (Herb Eneva) wrote:

I`ve been looking to buy a new riding mower but everything I see will
not cut in reverse. I don`t have kids or pets to be concerned
about so how do I defeat this feature?

Are you saying that you can not drive this thing in reverse? What
happens when it's up against the house or a car or tree? Somehow I do
not comprehend this??????

If you *DO* have reverse, the blade is spinning, so it WILL cut. That
is unless these idiot engineers found a way to make another useless
safety feature that stops the blade from spinning when you back up.....
( I will not doubt that )!

Pretty soon, you wont be able to mow the lawn without a permit, costly
license and training course, and you must be over 21, under 70, within a
specific weight category, mentally sane, and not have a felony on your
record. When you get on the mower, you will be required to take a
breath and urine test to determine if you drank alcohol or took any
drugs. And dont forget the REQUIRED seat belt. These same laws will be
required to use any other motorized device such as a chain saw, weed
whacker, rototiller, generator, and more.....
Of course you all know that "We the People" control our government!!!

What is it about the current political climate that causes people to
root for toxins and maiming? "Back before the gummit ruined everything,
if ya didn't run over a grandkid when ya mowed, ya weren't doing it
right."

If these safety devices are like the "not a step" on every rung of a
ladder then they're the result of lawyers, not government. Lawyers
and their class action and product liability lawsuits have company
lawyers adding anti-run-over-grandkids interlocks to every mower.

On the other hand, emission controls that ruin engines by not letting
them belch pollution into the air are entirely the provenance of
government. So, "Stop gummit! Go asthma! Go asthma! Rah! Rah! Rah!"

m

On 7/31/2012 11:59 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 31 Jul 2012 06:57:19 -0400, (Herb Eneva) wrote:

I`ve been looking to buy a new riding mower but everything I see will
not cut in reverse. I don`t have kids or pets to be concerned
about so how do I defeat this feature?

Are you saying that you can not drive this thing in reverse? What
happens when it's up against the house or a car or tree? Somehow I do
not comprehend this??????
....

Pretty soon, you wont be able to mow the lawn without a permit, ...
... These same laws...

Not actually law; another mentioned legal which is probably a major
driving force but it is a voluntary-compliance ANSI Standard sponsored
by manufacturers' organization---

CPSC fact sheet link --

http://www.cpsc.gov/cpscpub/pubs/588.pdf

The voluntary safety standard for walk-behind and ride-on mowers is
ANSI/OPEI B71.1-2003. If you are shopping for a mower, a label
certifying that the mower or garden tractor meets the 2003 ANSI
B71.1 standard indicates that the machine has these safety features.
ï‚· Operator presence control. This safety device will stop the rotary
blades if the operator leaves the control position of the riding
mower without first disengaging theblade drive. ...
ï‚· Increased seatback height. ... seatbacks of at least 4 1/2 inches ...
ï‚· Dynamic turn and sudden traction performance limits have been
addedto improve machine stability.
ï‚· In 2003 a requirement was added that prevents the mower from
backing up with powered blades. This feature can reduce the severity
of injuries that are caused when an operator backs into a young child
by stopping the rotating blades. The standard permits a device that
overrides this no mow in reverse feature temporarily. If an override
capability is provided, it shall automatically reset when one or
more of the following actions occurs: (1) the blade is re-engaged or
(2) the engine is restarted or (3) the directional control is moved
from reverse. Ride-on machines withzero turn radius capability and
machines with front mount mowers are excluded from the requirement.

--

On Aug 1, 6:08Â*am, dpb wrote:
On 7/31/2012 11:59 PM, wrote: On Tue, 31 Jul 2012 06:57:19 -0400, (Herb Eneva) wrote:

Â* Â*I`ve been looking to buy a new riding mower but everything I see will
not cut in reverse. Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â*I don`t have kids or pets to be concerned
about so how do I defeat this feature?

Are you saying that you can not drive this thing in reverse? Â*What
happens when it's up against the house or a car or tree? Â*Somehow I do
not comprehend this??????

...

Pretty soon, you wont be able to mow the lawn without a permit, ...
... These same laws...

Not actually law; another mentioned legal which is probably a major
driving force but it is a voluntary-compliance ANSI Standard sponsored
by manufacturers' organization---

CPSC fact sheet link --

http://www.cpsc.gov/cpscpub/pubs/588.pdf





The voluntary safety standard for walk-behind and ride-on mowers is
ANSI/OPEI B71.1-2003. Â*If you are shopping for a mower, a label
certifying that the mower or garden tractor meets the 2003 ANSI
B71.1 standard indicates that the machine has these safety features.
Â*ï‚· Operator presence control. This safety device will stop the rotary
blades if the operator leaves the control position of the riding
mower without first disengaging theblade drive. ...
Â*ï‚· Increased seatback height. ... seatbacks of at least 4 1/2 inches ...
Â*ï‚· Dynamic turn and sudden traction performance limits have been
addedto improve machine stability.
Â*ï‚· In 2003 a requirement was added that prevents the mower from
backing up with powered blades. This feature can reduce the severity
of injuries that are caused when an operator backs into a young child
by stopping the rotating blades. The standard permits a device that
overrides this no mow in reverse feature temporarily. If an override
capability is provided, it shall automatically reset when one or
more of the following actions occurs: (1) the blade is re-engaged or
(2) the engine is restarted or (3) the directional control is moved
from reverse. Ride-on machines withzero turn radius capability and
machines with front mount mowers are excluded from the requirement.

--

Ah, thanks. I thought it was mandated for every manufacturer. I have
known about the "button" bit for many a year.

Harry K

On Jul 31, 9:59*pm, wrote:
On Tue, 31 Jul 2012 06:57:19 -0400, (Herb Eneva) wrote:
* I`ve been looking to buy a new riding mower but everything I see will
not cut in reverse. * * * * * *I don`t have kids or pets to be concerned
about so how do I defeat this feature?

Are you saying that you can not drive this thing in reverse? *What
happens when it's up against the house or a car or tree? *Somehow I do
not comprehend this??????


snip

No. Only that if you try to mow in reverse the engine stops if the
"safety" thingy, button or whaterver, is installed.

It is so common I thought all manufacturers had some form of it.

Harry K

On 01 Aug 2012 06:23:55 GMT, (Fake ID) wrote:

In article ,
wrote:
On Tue, 31 Jul 2012 06:57:19 -0400, (Herb Eneva) wrote:

I`ve been looking to buy a new riding mower but everything I see will
not cut in reverse. I don`t have kids or pets to be concerned
about so how do I defeat this feature?

Are you saying that you can not drive this thing in reverse? What
happens when it's up against the house or a car or tree? Somehow I do
not comprehend this??????

If you *DO* have reverse, the blade is spinning, so it WILL cut. That
is unless these idiot engineers found a way to make another useless
safety feature that stops the blade from spinning when you back up.....
( I will not doubt that )!

Pretty soon, you wont be able to mow the lawn without a permit, costly
license and training course, and you must be over 21, under 70, within a
specific weight category, mentally sane, and not have a felony on your
record. When you get on the mower, you will be required to take a
breath and urine test to determine if you drank alcohol or took any
drugs. And dont forget the REQUIRED seat belt. These same laws will be
required to use any other motorized device such as a chain saw, weed
whacker, rototiller, generator, and more.....
Of course you all know that "We the People" control our government!!!

What is it about the current political climate that causes people to
root for toxins and maiming? "Back before the gummit ruined everything,
if ya didn't run over a grandkid when ya mowed, ya weren't doing it
right."

If these safety devices are like the "not a step" on every rung of a
ladder then they're the result of lawyers, not government. Lawyers
and their class action and product liability lawsuits have company
lawyers adding anti-run-over-grandkids interlocks to every mower.

On the other hand, emission controls that ruin engines by not letting
them belch pollution into the air are entirely the provenance of
government. So, "Stop gummit! Go asthma! Go asthma! Rah! Rah! Rah!"

m

On 01 Aug 2012 06:23:55 GMT, (Fake ID) wrote:

In article ,
wrote:
On Tue, 31 Jul 2012 06:57:19 -0400, (Herb Eneva) wrote:

I`ve been looking to buy a new riding mower but everything I see will
not cut in reverse. I don`t have kids or pets to be concerned
about so how do I defeat this feature?

Are you saying that you can not drive this thing in reverse? What
happens when it's up against the house or a car or tree? Somehow I do
not comprehend this??????

If you *DO* have reverse, the blade is spinning, so it WILL cut. That
is unless these idiot engineers found a way to make another useless
safety feature that stops the blade from spinning when you back up.....
( I will not doubt that )!

Pretty soon, you wont be able to mow the lawn without a permit, costly
license and training course, and you must be over 21, under 70, within a
specific weight category, mentally sane, and not have a felony on your
record. When you get on the mower, you will be required to take a
breath and urine test to determine if you drank alcohol or took any
drugs. And dont forget the REQUIRED seat belt. These same laws will be
required to use any other motorized device such as a chain saw, weed
whacker, rototiller, generator, and more.....
Of course you all know that "We the People" control our government!!!

What is it about the current political climate that causes people to
root for toxins and maiming? "Back before the gummit ruined everything,
if ya didn't run over a grandkid when ya mowed, ya weren't doing it
right."

BAN DHMO! It's the most deadly substance on Earth!

You do know there is such a thing as cost-benefit analysis/trade-off, right?

If these safety devices are like the "not a step" on every rung of a
ladder then they're the result of lawyers, not government. Lawyers
and their class action and product liability lawsuits have company
lawyers adding anti-run-over-grandkids interlocks to every mower.

Government has nothing to do with lawyers, right? It would be against the
laws of physics to limit torts, right?

On the other hand, emission controls that ruin engines by not letting
them belch pollution into the air are entirely the provenance of
government. So, "Stop gummit! Go asthma! Go asthma! Rah! Rah! Rah!"

....another leftist moron heard from.

On 8/1/2012 8:47 AM, Harry K wrote:
On Aug 1, 6:08 am, wrote:
....

... it is a voluntary-compliance ANSI Standard sponsored
by manufacturers' organization---
....
ANSI/OPEI B71.1-2003. ...
....
ï‚· In 2003 a requirement was added that prevents the mower from
backing up with powered blades. ...
... Ride-on machines withzero turn radius capability and
machines with front mount mowers are excluded from the requirement.
....

Ah, thanks. I thought it was mandated for every manufacturer. I have
known about the "button" bit for many a year.

Yeah, heaven help that somebody actually know from whence something came
on usenet...

Not seen one meself; nothing I have is new enough or what is new enough
is exempt.

I borrowed a utility tractor from JD dealer a couple of summers ago for
some spot spraying needed to get done in a timely fashion while they
were working on mine. The little sprayer is just a 55-gal 3-pt PTO
driven w/ a manual control valve rather than a solenoid. The stinkin'
seat interlock was so sensitive I couldn't reach back to turn the
sprayer on/off w/o the da--d thing turning itself off. Finally had to
go back the house and jerry-rig it to bypass it to be able to use the
tractor for a field operation.

There's a point at which stuff just is too much. (The one on mine had
been disabled before I ever bought it and it was a while before I
realized it was actually there, even. I've not replaced it.)

It's impossible to fill the sprayer and mix w/ the pump while doing so
which is the only reasonable way to do so w/ the thing active as another
kicker...or rinse/washout is even more of a pita.

Back to the subject mower, there are several areas in the yard that are
such that the only way to get to them is by backing along the side of a
building because there's a flower bed between the walks out of the
double garage entry doors and the other direction would put the
discharge against the wall. Some things just aren't practical despite
all the good intentions.

--

On Wed, 01 Aug 2012 15:39:37 -0500, dpb wrote:

I borrowed a utility tractor from JD dealer a couple of summers ago for
some spot spraying needed to get done in a timely fashion while they
were working on mine. The little sprayer is just a 55-gal 3-pt PTO
driven w/ a manual control valve rather than a solenoid. The stinkin'
seat interlock was so sensitive I couldn't reach back to turn the
sprayer on/off w/o the da--d thing turning itself off. Finally had to
go back the house and jerry-rig it to bypass it to be able to use the
tractor for a field operation.

There's a point at which stuff just is too much. (The one on mine had
been disabled before I ever bought it and it was a while before I
realized it was actually there, even. I've not replaced it.)

They say this stuff is for safety, but has anyone ever considered that
they are forcing people to void the warranty on this equipment, and thus
they dont have to honor their warranty once the owner has bypassed or
eliminated a safety device or more than one.....

Think about this!!!!!!
You can buy a brand new garden tractor today, get it home, and bypass a
some (so called) "safety device". Unless you can put that device back
together exactly as it was, you no longer have a warranty after less
than one days ownership. This way, if the engine blows after a month,
YOU will have to pay for the new engine because you voided the warranty.

On Fri, 03 Aug 2012 04:48:24 -0500, wrote
in Re Riding mower
--- no cut in reverse:

They say this stuff is for safety, but has anyone ever considered that
they are forcing people to void the warranty on this equipment, and thus
they dont have to honor their warranty once the owner has bypassed or
eliminated a safety device or more than one.....

It's not about safety and it's not about warranties. It's about money
for scumbag lawyers like this:

http://mowerlawyer.com/

On Aug 3, 2:48*am, wrote:
On Wed, 01 Aug 2012 15:39:37 -0500, dpb wrote:
I borrowed a utility tractor from JD dealer a couple of summers ago for
some spot spraying needed to get done in a timely fashion while they
were working on mine. *The little sprayer is just a 55-gal 3-pt PTO
driven w/ a manual control valve rather than a solenoid. *The stinkin'
seat interlock was so sensitive I couldn't reach back to turn the
sprayer on/off w/o the da--d thing turning itself off. *Finally had to
go back the house and jerry-rig it to bypass it to be able to use the
tractor for a field operation. *

There's a point at which stuff just is too much. *(The one on mine had
been disabled before I ever bought it and it was a while before I
realized it was actually there, even. *I've not replaced it.)

They say this stuff is for safety, but has anyone ever considered that
they are forcing people to void the warranty on this equipment, and thus
they dont have to honor their warranty once the owner has bypassed or
eliminated a safety device or more than one.....

Think about this!!!!!!
You can buy a brand new garden tractor today, get it home, and bypass a
some (so called) "safety device". *Unless you can put that device back
together exactly as it was, you no longer have a warranty after less
than one days ownership. *This way, if the engine blows after a month,
YOU will have to pay for the new engine because you voided the warranty.

So you expect a free ride from your own actions?

Harry K

replying to Roy, kennard smith wrote:
how can I do this, I have a sears 30'' mower

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