Do you have one? Likes or dislikes. Brand? Finish? Would you do it again?

Thanks

On May 27, 7:27*pm, "Gomba" wrote:
Do you have one? Likes or dislikes. Brand? Finish? *Would you do it again?

Thanks

A great thing, IMO. Unless you want your fridge
sticking out in the room like an eyesore. Kitchenaid
side by side here, stainless.

On Sun, 27 May 2012 19:27:08 -0400, "Gomba" wrote:

Do you have one? Likes or dislikes. Brand? Finish? Would you do it again?

We were going to buy a Electrolux to fit into a tight space but SWMBO finally
decided she didn't want to pay several hundred more for 2/3s the 'fridge. The
fridge sticking into the traffic pattern isn't the best, but there's normally
only the two of us around (well, so far only one - she hasn't moved yet). We
ended up with the standard size 'fridge (27ft^3?), identical to the one in
this house.

Bottom line; significantly more money, for less, wasn't a winning combination.

On May 27, 7:41*pm, "
wrote:
On Sun, 27 May 2012 19:27:08 -0400, "Gomba" wrote:
Do you have one? Likes or dislikes. Brand? Finish? *Would you do it again?

We were going to buy a Electrolux to fit into a tight space but SWMBO finally
decided she didn't want to pay several hundred more for 2/3s the 'fridge. *The
fridge sticking into the traffic pattern isn't the best, but there's normally
only the two of us around (well, so far only one - she hasn't moved yet). *We
ended up with the standard size 'fridge (27ft^3?), identical to the one in
this house.

Bottom line; significantly more money, for less, wasn't a winning combination.

Don't know which ones you compared, but in my
experience they were almost the same in cubic feet,
just a couple cft less. They make up for the depth
by being taller. I guess you could argue that depth
is better than more height, but going from a std
side by side to the counter depth one I didn't
notice any negatives.

On Sun, 27 May 2012 17:38:23 -0700 (PDT), "
wrote:

On May 27, 7:41*pm, "
wrote:
On Sun, 27 May 2012 19:27:08 -0400, "Gomba" wrote:
Do you have one? Likes or dislikes. Brand? Finish? *Would you do it again?

We were going to buy a Electrolux to fit into a tight space but SWMBO finally
decided she didn't want to pay several hundred more for 2/3s the 'fridge. *The
fridge sticking into the traffic pattern isn't the best, but there's normally
only the two of us around (well, so far only one - she hasn't moved yet). *We
ended up with the standard size 'fridge (27ft^3?), identical to the one in
this house.

Bottom line; significantly more money, for less, wasn't a winning combination.

Don't know which ones you compared, but in my
experience they were almost the same in cubic feet,
just a couple cft less.

*Quite* a bit less. When two dimensions are the same, and the other is 2/3s,
the space inside has to shrink too. They aren't like Hondas (bigger on the
inside ;-). The Electrolux models are 28cu. ft. vs 23 (69 1/2" vs. 70" tall).

They make up for the depth by being taller. I guess you could argue that depth
is better than more height, but going from a std
side by side to the counter depth one I didn't
notice any negatives.

Nope, they can't be taller, and they would have to be at least half again as
tall, or they wouldn't fit the standard hole. They're exactly the same height
and width but 2/3s the depth. The two of us really don't need the added size
(except for the freezer, perhaps) but they wanted several hundred bux more and
that wasn't going to happen.

On May 27, 9:37*pm, "
wrote:
On Sun, 27 May 2012 17:38:23 -0700 (PDT), "





wrote:
On May 27, 7:41*pm, "
wrote:
On Sun, 27 May 2012 19:27:08 -0400, "Gomba" wrote:
Do you have one? Likes or dislikes. Brand? Finish? *Would you do it again?

We were going to buy a Electrolux to fit into a tight space but SWMBO finally
decided she didn't want to pay several hundred more for 2/3s the 'fridge. *The
fridge sticking into the traffic pattern isn't the best, but there's normally
only the two of us around (well, so far only one - she hasn't moved yet). *We
ended up with the standard size 'fridge (27ft^3?), identical to the one in
this house.

Bottom line; significantly more money, for less, wasn't a winning combination.

Don't know which ones you compared, but in my
experience they were almost the same in cubic feet,
just a couple cft less.

*Quite* a bit less. *When two dimensions are the same, and the other is 2/3s,
the space inside has to shrink too. *They aren't like Hondas (bigger on the
inside ;-). *The Electrolux models are 28cu. ft. vs 23 (69 1/2" vs. 70" tall).


I have to disagree. Go look at Kitchenaid side by sides for example.
In the standard type they have units that are 25.4 to 26 cft
In the counter depth, they have units that are 23 to 24.5 cft.

The two dimensions are NOT the same. The counter depth fridges
are TALLER.




They make up for the depth by being taller. *I guess you could argue that depth
is better than more height, but going from a std
side by side to the counter depth one I didn't
notice any negatives.

Nope, they can't be taller,

Of course they can be taller and at least some of them
are. I haven't looked at all of them, but I know that with
Kitchenaid they are taller and the volume is as reported
above, ie within a couple cft of the standard type.



and they would have to be at least half again as
tall, or they wouldn't fit the standard hole.
They're exactly the same height
and width but 2/3s the depth.

Kitchenaid and my experience putting one in say you are wrong.

On May 27, 4:40*pm, "
wrote:
On May 27, 7:27*pm, "Gomba" wrote:

Do you have one? Likes or dislikes. Brand? Finish? *Would you do it again?

Thanks

A great thing, IMO. *Unless you want your fridge
sticking out in the room like an eyesore. *Kitchenaid
side by side here, stainless.

Hear, hear.

Not a lot of Mfgrs make 'em: Sansung, LG, Kitchenaid, ??

Kitchenaid KFCS22EVMS $2,420 quietest on market

Stainless steel front, something like SS on the sides. Fits EXACTLY
into opening, looks built-in.

Wife loves the shallow access - no reaching way back.

Interior is laid out with almost complete ability to customize to any
service you want.

On Mon, 28 May 2012 07:48:59 -0700 (PDT), "
wrote:

On May 27, 9:37*pm, "
wrote:
On Sun, 27 May 2012 17:38:23 -0700 (PDT), "





wrote:
On May 27, 7:41*pm, "
wrote:
On Sun, 27 May 2012 19:27:08 -0400, "Gomba" wrote:
Do you have one? Likes or dislikes. Brand? Finish? *Would you do it again?

We were going to buy a Electrolux to fit into a tight space but SWMBO finally
decided she didn't want to pay several hundred more for 2/3s the 'fridge. *The
fridge sticking into the traffic pattern isn't the best, but there's normally
only the two of us around (well, so far only one - she hasn't moved yet). *We
ended up with the standard size 'fridge (27ft^3?), identical to the one in
this house.

Bottom line; significantly more money, for less, wasn't a winning combination.

Don't know which ones you compared, but in my
experience they were almost the same in cubic feet,
just a couple cft less.

*Quite* a bit less. *When two dimensions are the same, and the other is 2/3s,
the space inside has to shrink too. *They aren't like Hondas (bigger on the
inside ;-). *The Electrolux models are 28cu. ft. vs 23 (69 1/2" vs. 70" tall).


I have to disagree. Go look at Kitchenaid side by sides for example.
In the standard type they have units that are 25.4 to 26 cft
In the counter depth, they have units that are 23 to 24.5 cft.

So they cripple the standard unit so the cabinet depth one is the same.

The two dimensions are NOT the same. The counter depth fridges
are TALLER.

Cite. I showed you where this was *not* the case with Electrolux. They are
the same (1/2" difference, which is within the range of the leveling legs).

They make up for the depth by being taller. *I guess you could argue that depth
is better than more height, but going from a std
side by side to the counter depth one I didn't
notice any negatives.

Nope, they can't be taller,

Of course they can be taller and at least some of them
are. I haven't looked at all of them, but I know that with
Kitchenaid they are taller and the volume is as reported
above, ie within a couple cft of the standard type.

The standard depth unit is small. It's easy to make the CD style similar.

and they would have to be at least half again as
tall, or they wouldn't fit the standard hole.
They're exactly the same height
and width but 2/3s the depth.

Kitchenaid and my experience putting one in say you are wrong.

Because they make a small standard unit and their CD is "normal" (for a
cabinet depth). There just isn't as much space inside, when you lop off 8"
from the front. Not possible.

On May 28, 3:15*pm, "
wrote:
On Mon, 28 May 2012 07:48:59 -0700 (PDT), "





wrote:
On May 27, 9:37*pm, "
wrote:
On Sun, 27 May 2012 17:38:23 -0700 (PDT), "

wrote:
On May 27, 7:41*pm, "
wrote:
On Sun, 27 May 2012 19:27:08 -0400, "Gomba" wrote:
Do you have one? Likes or dislikes. Brand? Finish? *Would you do it again?

We were going to buy a Electrolux to fit into a tight space but SWMBO finally
decided she didn't want to pay several hundred more for 2/3s the 'fridge. *The
fridge sticking into the traffic pattern isn't the best, but there's normally
only the two of us around (well, so far only one - she hasn't moved yet). *We
ended up with the standard size 'fridge (27ft^3?), identical to the one in
this house.

Bottom line; significantly more money, for less, wasn't a winning combination.

Don't know which ones you compared, but in my
experience they were almost the same in cubic feet,
just a couple cft less.

*Quite* a bit less. *When two dimensions are the same, and the other is 2/3s,
the space inside has to shrink too. *They aren't like Hondas (bigger on the
inside ;-). *The Electrolux models are 28cu. ft. vs 23 (69 1/2" vs. 70" tall).

BS. Go look at the Electrolux website. They have side by side
models that are std depth, 26 cft and counter depth that are
23 cft that are othewise identical.
These are two examples:

EW23CS85KS
EW26SS85KS

Now maybe that's
a big difference to you, but quantitatively it's NOT anywhere close
to your big difference in volume. And I'd say it's not
enough to make a difference to most people. Trade 10% of
the volume for not having the refrigerator sticking out seems
like a fine thing to me. The OP can do what he wants. But
he shouldn't do it based on false data.




I have to disagree. *Go look at Kitchenaid side by sides for example.
In the standard type they have units that are 25.4 to 26 cft
In the counter depth, they have units that are 23 to 24.5 cft.

So they cripple the standard unit so the cabinet depth one is the same.

More total nonsense. Electrolux, which YOU brought up,
has standard units that are 26 cft. Kitchenaid is 25.4 to 26.
Basicly identical, ie no crippling.




The two dimensions are NOT the same. *The counter depth fridges
are TALLER.

Cite. *I showed you where this was *not* the case with Electrolux. *They are
the same (1/2" difference, which is within the range of the leveling legs).

You think just because it's the case with Electrolux, that all
refrigerators are the same? And that was never the point to
beging with, was it? The issue was whether you gave up a
lot of capacity in going to a counterdepth. The answer, which
you refuse to accept is, NO. You only lose a couple cft,
about 10%.




They make up for the depth by being taller. *I guess you could argue that depth
is better than more height, but going from a std
side by side to the counter depth one I didn't
notice any negatives.

Nope, they can't be taller,

Of course they can be taller and at least some of them
are. *I haven't looked at all of them, but I know that with
Kitchenaid they are taller and the volume is as reported
above, ie within a couple cft of the standard type.

The standard depth unit is small. *It's easy to make the CD style similar.



Oh BS. You know, you're amazing. Instead of just admitting
you're wrong and that you can get counterdepth units that are
within a couple cft of standard size ones, you choose instead
to just double down with BS. There is nothing unique about
those Kitchenaids. The standard one isn't "crippled" so it
can look good with the counterdepth one. How dumb are
you? Would you "cripple" the products that account for
90% of your sales so you could sell some more of the
counterdepth ones? Clearly if they are "crippled" then so
are the Electolux because they are the same capacity.






and they would have to be at least half again as
tall, or they wouldn't fit the standard hole.
They're exactly the same height
and width but 2/3s the depth.

Kitchenaid and my experience putting one in say you are wrong.

Because they make a small standard unit and their CD is "normal" (for a
cabinet depth). *There just isn't as much space inside, when you lop off 8"
from the front. *Not possible.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I just showed you that you don't even understand the
basic specs on Electrolux: 26 cft for a std, 23 cft for
a counterdepth. In other words, not a major difference
despite your desperate attempts to pull yourself out of
the ditch.

I have a counterdepth. I use one. I put one in. I know that it
fits basicly the same stuff that the old standard one it
replaced did. You obviously were too cheap to spend
the extra bucks so you have a fridge sticking out into your
kitchen. Enjoy it.

On Sun, 27 May 2012 19:27:08 -0400, "Gomba" wrote:

Do you have one? Likes or dislikes. Brand? Finish? Would you do it again?

Thanks



Recently purchased a Whirlpool side/side counter depth in Stainless.
Flush with the cabinets and counter top and seems to blend right in.
No appreciable loss of interior storage. Got it at Lowes for a pretty
good price ($899 on sale - free delivery)

On Mon, 28 May 2012 13:14:15 -0700 (PDT), "
wrote:

On May 28, 3:15*pm, "
wrote:
On Mon, 28 May 2012 07:48:59 -0700 (PDT), "





wrote:
On May 27, 9:37*pm, "
wrote:
On Sun, 27 May 2012 17:38:23 -0700 (PDT), "

wrote:
On May 27, 7:41*pm, "
wrote:
On Sun, 27 May 2012 19:27:08 -0400, "Gomba" wrote:
Do you have one? Likes or dislikes. Brand? Finish? *Would you do it again?

We were going to buy a Electrolux to fit into a tight space but SWMBO finally
decided she didn't want to pay several hundred more for 2/3s the 'fridge. *The
fridge sticking into the traffic pattern isn't the best, but there's normally
only the two of us around (well, so far only one - she hasn't moved yet). *We
ended up with the standard size 'fridge (27ft^3?), identical to the one in
this house.

Bottom line; significantly more money, for less, wasn't a winning combination.

Don't know which ones you compared, but in my
experience they were almost the same in cubic feet,
just a couple cft less.

*Quite* a bit less. *When two dimensions are the same, and the other is 2/3s,
the space inside has to shrink too. *They aren't like Hondas (bigger on the
inside ;-). *The Electrolux models are 28cu. ft. vs 23 (69 1/2" vs. 70" tall).

BS. Go look at the Electrolux website. They have side by side
models that are std depth, 26 cft and counter depth that are
23 cft that are othewise identical.
These are two examples:

BS yourself. The French-door models are 27ft^3 (standard) and 23ft^3 (CD).
14.8% less volume, 14.6% less depth. They are *NOT* taller to make up for it.
EW23CS85KS
EW26SS85KS

Now maybe that's
a big difference to you, but quantitatively it's NOT anywhere close
to your big difference in volume. And I'd say it's not
enough to make a difference to most people. Trade 10% of
the volume for not having the refrigerator sticking out seems
like a fine thing to me. The OP can do what he wants. But
he shouldn't do it based on false data.

It's *exactly* the same as the front-to-back difference. 15% less space, $400
more. No sale.


I have to disagree. *Go look at Kitchenaid side by sides for example.
In the standard type they have units that are 25.4 to 26 cft
In the counter depth, they have units that are 23 to 24.5 cft.

So they cripple the standard unit so the cabinet depth one is the same.

More total nonsense. Electrolux, which YOU brought up,
has standard units that are 26 cft. Kitchenaid is 25.4 to 26.
Basicly identical, ie no crippling.

Wrong. See above.


The two dimensions are NOT the same. *The counter depth fridges
are TALLER.

Cite. *I showed you where this was *not* the case with Electrolux. *They are
the same (1/2" difference, which is within the range of the leveling legs).

You think just because it's the case with Electrolux, that all
refrigerators are the same? And that was never the point to
beging with, was it? The issue was whether you gave up a
lot of capacity in going to a counterdepth. The answer, which
you refuse to accept is, NO. You only lose a couple cft,
about 10%.

Same? Pretty much. They have to fit in the same hole in kitchens. Make them
too tall and they're not going to sell. A half an inch can mean tens of
thousands of lost sales. Not smart.


They make up for the depth by being taller. *I guess you could argue that depth
is better than more height, but going from a std
side by side to the counter depth one I didn't
notice any negatives.

Nope, they can't be taller,

Of course they can be taller and at least some of them
are. *I haven't looked at all of them, but I know that with
Kitchenaid they are taller and the volume is as reported
above, ie within a couple cft of the standard type.

The standard depth unit is small. *It's easy to make the CD style similar.

Oh BS. You know, you're amazing. Instead of just admitting
you're wrong and that you can get counterdepth units that are
within a couple cft of standard size ones, you choose instead
to just double down with BS. There is nothing unique about
those Kitchenaids. The standard one isn't "crippled" so it
can look good with the counterdepth one. How dumb are
you? Would you "cripple" the products that account for
90% of your sales so you could sell some more of the
counterdepth ones? Clearly if they are "crippled" then so
are the Electolux because they are the same capacity.

BS yourself. You're not making any sense.




and they would have to be at least half again as
tall, or they wouldn't fit the standard hole.
They're exactly the same height
and width but 2/3s the depth.

Kitchenaid and my experience putting one in say you are wrong.

Because they make a small standard unit and their CD is "normal" (for a
cabinet depth). *There just isn't as much space inside, when you lop off 8"
from the front. *Not possible.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I just showed you that you don't even understand the
basic specs on Electrolux: 26 cft for a std, 23 cft for
a counterdepth. In other words, not a major difference
despite your desperate attempts to pull yourself out of
the ditch.

See above.

I have a counterdepth. I use one. I put one in. I know that it
fits basicly the same stuff that the old standard one it
replaced did. You obviously were too cheap to spend
the extra bucks so you have a fridge sticking out into your
kitchen. Enjoy it.

Then it *CAN'T* be taller for the same size. Good grief!

On May 28, 7:29*pm, "
wrote:
We were going to buy a Electrolux to fit into a tight space but SWMBO finally
decided she didn't want to pay several hundred more for 2/3s the 'fridge. *The
fridge sticking into the traffic pattern isn't the best, but there's normally
only the two of us around (well, so far only one - she hasn't moved yet). *We
ended up with the standard size 'fridge (27ft^3?), identical to the one in
this house.

Bottom line; significantly more money, for less, wasn't a winning combination.

Don't know which ones you compared, but in my
experience they were almost the same in cubic feet,
just a couple cft less.

*Quite* a bit less. *When two dimensions are the same, and the other is 2/3s,
the space inside has to shrink too. *They aren't like Hondas (bigger on the
inside ;-). *The Electrolux models are 28cu. ft. vs 23 (69 1/2" vs. 70" tall).

BS. *Go look at the Electrolux website. *They have side by side
models that are std depth, 26 cft and counter depth that are
23 cft that are othewise identical.
These are two examples:

BS yourself. *The French-door models are 27ft^3 (standard) and 23ft^3 (CD).
14.8% less volume, 14.6% less depth. *They are *NOT* taller to make up for it.


Let's go back to what you claimed:

"We were going to buy a Electrolux to fit into a tight space but SWMBO
finally
decided she didn't want to pay several hundred more for 2/3s the
'fridge."

Then explain to us how 23 cft vs 27 cft is 2/3's the volume. Per your
own calculations above, it's only 15% less. And that's 15% less on
those particular Electrolux French door models. With Electrolux's
side
by sides the difference is only 3 cft. I showed you other
manufacturers
who had for example side by side where the differences were only
10%. Did the OP say he was limited to French-door models? No.

Now, I'll leave it for others to judge who knows what they are
talking about. I claimed:

"Don't know which ones you compared, but in my
experience they were almost the same in cubic feet,
just a couple cft less.

You claimed:

"We were going to buy a Electrolux to fit into a tight space but SWMBO
finally
decided she didn't want to pay several hundred more for 2/3s the
'fridge."


Instead of digging yourself into a hole, if you'd just gone to
the Electolux website you'd have seen that even the French-door
models only differ by 15%, not the claimed 33%.




EW23CS85KS
EW26SS85KS
Now maybe that's
a big difference to you, but quantitatively it's NOT anywhere close
to your big difference in volume. * And I'd say it's not
enough to make a difference to most people. *Trade 10% of
the volume for not having the refrigerator sticking out seems
like a fine thing to me. * The OP can do what he wants. *But
he shouldn't do it based on false data.

It's *exactly* the same as the front-to-back difference. *15% less space, $400
more. *No sale.

The point is that counterdepth units typicall vary from the
equivalent standard unit by about 10 to 15% in volume.
Not 33%. Capiche?







I have to disagree. *Go look at Kitchenaid side by sides for example.
In the standard type they have units that are 25.4 to 26 cft
In the counter depth, they have units that are 23 to 24.5 cft.

So they cripple the standard unit so the cabinet depth one is the same..

More total nonsense. * Electrolux, which YOU brought up,
has standard units that are 26 cft. * Kitchenaid is 25.4 to 26.
Basicly identical, ie no crippling.

Wrong. *See above.

More total BS. So Electrolux and Kitchenaid are crippling their
standard side by side units, reducing their volume,
to make their counterdepth units
look better. Why do you keep repeating this nonsense which
you have zero proof for and which makes no sense?






The two dimensions are NOT the same. *The counter depth fridges
are TALLER.

Cite. *I showed you where this was *not* the case with Electrolux. *They are
the same (1/2" difference, which is within the range of the leveling legs).

You think just because it's the case with Electrolux, that all
refrigerators are the same? *And that was never the point to
beging with, was it? * The issue was whether you gave up a
lot of capacity in going to a counterdepth. *The answer, which
you refuse to accept is, NO. *You only lose a couple cft,
about 10%.

Same? *Pretty much. *They have to fit in the same hole in kitchens. *Make them
too tall and they're not going to sell. *A half an inch can mean tens of
thousands of lost sales. *Not smart.


Again, just because your world stops with Electrolux, which
isn't even a market leader, doesn't mean that's the whole universe.
Kitchenaid had counterdepth units that are 71" tall and standard
depth units that are 68 5/8. That difference in height helps
make up for some of the space lost when you go to counterdepth.






They make up for the depth by being taller. *I guess you could argue that depth
is better than more height, but going from a std
side by side to the counter depth one I didn't
notice any negatives.

Nope, they can't be taller,

Of course they can be taller and at least some of them
are. *I haven't looked at all of them, but I know that with
Kitchenaid they are taller and the volume is as reported
above, ie within a couple cft of the standard type.

The standard depth unit is small. *It's easy to make the CD style similar.

Oh BS. * You know, you're amazing. *Instead of just admitting
you're wrong and that you can get counterdepth units that are
within a couple cft of standard size ones, you choose instead
to just double down with BS. *There is nothing unique about
those Kitchenaids. * The standard one isn't "crippled" so it
can look good with the counterdepth one. * How dumb are
you? *Would you "cripple" the products that account for
90% of your sales so you could sell some more of the
counterdepth ones? *Clearly if they are "crippled" then so
are the Electolux because they are the same capacity.

BS yourself. *You're not making any sense.


At least I understand that 10 to 15% less volume does not
equal 33% less volume, which is what you claimed. But
go ahead, dig your hole deeper.





and they would have to be at least half again as
tall, or they wouldn't fit the standard hole.
They're exactly the same height
and width but 2/3s the depth.

Kitchenaid and my experience putting one in say you are wrong.

Because they make a small standard unit and their CD is "normal" (for a
cabinet depth). *There just isn't as much space inside, when you lop off 8"
from the front. *Not possible.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I just showed you that you don't even understand the
basic specs on Electrolux: *26 cft for a std, 23 cft for
a counterdepth. * In other words, not a major difference
despite your desperate attempts to pull yourself out of
the ditch.

See above.

I have a counterdepth. *I use one. *I put one in. * I know that it
fits basicly the same stuff that the old standard one it
replaced did. *You obviously were too cheap to spend
the extra bucks so you have a fridge sticking out into your
kitchen. *Enjoy it.

Then it *CAN'T* be taller for the same size. *Good grief!- Hide quoted text -



Which of course makes no sense. It's sitting in my kitchen.
I had to trim the upper cabinet to get it to fit in. Now, who
should I believe? The spec sheets from Kitchenaid
and my measuring tape or you who obviously made a
mistake in claiming a 33% space loss and just won't admit
it.

On May 28, 4:50*pm, bobmct wrote:
On Sun, 27 May 2012 19:27:08 -0400, "Gomba" wrote:
Do you have one? Likes or dislikes. Brand? Finish? *Would you do it again?

Thanks

Recently purchased a Whirlpool side/side counter depth in Stainless.
Flush with the cabinets and counter top and seems to blend right in.
No appreciable loss of interior storage. *Got it at Lowes for a pretty
good price ($899 on sale - free delivery)

Try telling that to krw. He claims you lose 33% of your
space by going to counterdepth. You actually lose 10% to
15%, but like you from a practical standpoint I did not
notice a difference. But also like you, I notice a BIG
difference in not having the fridge sticking out into the
kitchen. It looks, finished, almost built-in.

On Tue, 29 May 2012 06:25:36 -0700 (PDT), "
wrote:

On May 28, 7:29*pm, "
wrote:
We were going to buy a Electrolux to fit into a tight space but SWMBO finally
decided she didn't want to pay several hundred more for 2/3s the 'fridge. *The
fridge sticking into the traffic pattern isn't the best, but there's normally
only the two of us around (well, so far only one - she hasn't moved yet). *We
ended up with the standard size 'fridge (27ft^3?), identical to the one in
this house.

Bottom line; significantly more money, for less, wasn't a winning combination.

Don't know which ones you compared, but in my
experience they were almost the same in cubic feet,
just a couple cft less.

*Quite* a bit less. *When two dimensions are the same, and the other is 2/3s,
the space inside has to shrink too. *They aren't like Hondas (bigger on the
inside ;-). *The Electrolux models are 28cu. ft. vs 23 (69 1/2" vs. 70" tall).

BS. *Go look at the Electrolux website. *They have side by side
models that are std depth, 26 cft and counter depth that are
23 cft that are othewise identical.
These are two examples:

BS yourself. *The French-door models are 27ft^3 (standard) and 23ft^3 (CD).
14.8% less volume, 14.6% less depth. *They are *NOT* taller to make up for it.


Let's go back to what you claimed:

"We were going to buy a Electrolux to fit into a tight space but SWMBO
finally
decided she didn't want to pay several hundred more for 2/3s the
'fridge."

I was guessing at 36" deep vs. 24". It's really 33" vs. 28", not that much
difference. However, that wasn't *your* argument. As long as we're bringing
up stuff from the past, you said "They make up for the depth by being taller",
which is laughably stupid.


Then explain to us how 23 cft vs 27 cft is 2/3's the volume. Per your
own calculations above, it's only 15% less. And that's 15% less on
those particular Electrolux French door models. With Electrolux's
side
by sides the difference is only 3 cft. I showed you other
manufacturers
who had for example side by side where the differences were only
10%. Did the OP say he was limited to French-door models? No.

Again, if there is only a 10% difference on the inside, they're wasting space
on the standard models or have less insulation (likely) on the cabinet depth
models. Physics doesn't lie.

Now, I'll leave it for others to judge who knows what they are
talking about. I claimed:

"Don't know which ones you compared, but in my
experience they were almost the same in cubic feet,
just a couple cft less.

Four == 15%. You can't have it smaller on the outside and bigger on the
inside. Period.

You claimed:

"We were going to buy a Electrolux to fit into a tight space but SWMBO
finally
decided she didn't want to pay several hundred more for 2/3s the
'fridge."

Ok, $400 more for 85% of the fridge. Didn't happen. BTW, that's the second
time she made the exact same decision.

Instead of digging yourself into a hole, if you'd just gone to
the Electolux website you'd have seen that even the French-door
models only differ by 15%, not the claimed 33%.

Are they taller to make up for it. Good grief, you're dense.


EW23CS85KS
EW26SS85KS
Now maybe that's
a big difference to you, but quantitatively it's NOT anywhere close
to your big difference in volume. * And I'd say it's not
enough to make a difference to most people. *Trade 10% of
the volume for not having the refrigerator sticking out seems
like a fine thing to me. * The OP can do what he wants. *But
he shouldn't do it based on false data.

It's *exactly* the same as the front-to-back difference. *15% less space, $400
more. *No sale.

The point is that counterdepth units typicall vary from the
equivalent standard unit by about 10 to 15% in volume.
Not 33%. Capiche?

They're 10-15% shallower, not taller to make up for it, as one idiot here
claimed. Capiche? (yourself)

snipped repetitive drivel

On Tue, 29 May 2012 06:28:34 -0700 (PDT), "
wrote:

On May 28, 4:50*pm, bobmct wrote:
On Sun, 27 May 2012 19:27:08 -0400, "Gomba" wrote:
Do you have one? Likes or dislikes. Brand? Finish? *Would you do it again?

Thanks

Recently purchased a Whirlpool side/side counter depth in Stainless.
Flush with the cabinets and counter top and seems to blend right in.
No appreciable loss of interior storage. *Got it at Lowes for a pretty
good price ($899 on sale - free delivery)

Try telling that to krw. He claims you lose 33% of your
space by going to counterdepth. You actually lose 10% to
15%, but like you from a practical standpoint I did not
notice a difference. But also like you, I notice a BIG
difference in not having the fridge sticking out into the
kitchen. It looks, finished, almost built-in.

You lose the same space as the cabinet depth is shallower. That's a *fact*.
Pay more, get less.

On May 29, 9:26*pm, "
wrote:
On Tue, 29 May 2012 06:25:36 -0700 (PDT), "





wrote:
On May 28, 7:29*pm, "
wrote:
We were going to buy a Electrolux to fit into a tight space but SWMBO finally
decided she didn't want to pay several hundred more for 2/3s the 'fridge. *The
fridge sticking into the traffic pattern isn't the best, but there's normally
only the two of us around (well, so far only one - she hasn't moved yet). *We
ended up with the standard size 'fridge (27ft^3?), identical to the one in
this house.

Bottom line; significantly more money, for less, wasn't a winning combination.

Don't know which ones you compared, but in my
experience they were almost the same in cubic feet,
just a couple cft less.

*Quite* a bit less. *When two dimensions are the same, and the other is 2/3s,
the space inside has to shrink too. *They aren't like Hondas (bigger on the
inside ;-). *The Electrolux models are 28cu. ft. vs 23 (69 1/2" vs. 70" tall).

BS. *Go look at the Electrolux website. *They have side by side
models that are std depth, 26 cft and counter depth that are
23 cft that are othewise identical.
These are two examples:

BS yourself. *The French-door models are 27ft^3 (standard) and 23ft^3 (CD).
14.8% less volume, 14.6% less depth. *They are *NOT* taller to make up for it.

Let's go back to what you claimed:

"We were going to buy a Electrolux to fit into a tight space but SWMBO
finally
decided she didn't want to pay several hundred more for 2/3s the
'fridge."

I was guessing at 36" deep vs. 24". *It's really 33" vs. 28", not that much
difference. *However, that wasn't *your* argument. As long as we're bringing
up stuff from the past, you said "They make up for the depth by being taller",
which is laughably stupid.

You're the fool that claimed counterdepth units were
2/3 the capacity of standard fridges.. I correctly pointed
out from the first post that counterdepth units only vary
a couple cft from similar regular units. Now that you've
finallly woken up, you admit that even in the case of Electrolux,
which is your total universe, they only vary
by less than 15%. I showed you Kitchenaid units that
vary by 10%. Neither of those is anywhere near your
claimed 33%. So, I wouldn't be calling others stupid.

And I've already shown you that
Kitchenaid as an example makes a counterdepth unit
that is 71 inches tall versus 68-5/8 for a standard unit.
So clearly some are taller which makes up for some of
the difference. It's entirely up to the manufacturer what
they want to do. I have that 71 inch Kitchenaid sitting in
my kitchen.




Then explain to us how 23 cft vs 27 cft is 2/3's the volume. *Per your
own calculations above, it's only 15% less. *And that's 15% less on
those particular Electrolux French door models. *With Electrolux's
side
by sides the difference is only 3 cft. * I showed you other
manufacturers
who had for example side by side where the differences were only
10%. *Did the OP say he was limited to French-door models? *No.

Again, if there is only a 10% difference on the inside, they're wasting space
on the standard models or have less insulation (likely) on the cabinet depth
models. *Physics doesn't lie.

You're so full of crap, it's unbelievable. I showed you
that even with the Electrolux line, they have models that
are within 10% of each other. You claim those are
"crippled". What an unbelievable imbecile to think that
manufacturers like Electrolux and Kitchenaid are going to
"cripple" the vast majority of their product line, ie
deliberately making those units with less volume, just so
the comparison with the counterdepth units will look
better.



Now, I'll leave it for others to judge who knows what they are
talking about. *I claimed:

"Don't know which ones you compared, but in my
experience they were almost the same in cubic feet,
just a couple cft less.

Four == 15%. *You can't have it smaller on the outside and bigger on the
inside. *Period.

I don't know WTF you're talking about now. The actual data
sheets show counterdepth units vary from 2 to
4 cft less in capacity from the similar std units. That's
pretty damn close to my claim that you only lose a
couple cft of space going to counterdepth. And it's miles
away from your stupid claim that you lose 1/3 the
volume. That would be 33% for you since you appear
to be math challenged.





You claimed:

"We were going to buy a Electrolux to fit into a tight space but SWMBO
finally
decided she didn't want to pay several hundred more for 2/3s the
'fridge."

Ok, $400 more for 85% of the fridge. *Didn't happen.

If you had just looked at the Electrolux data sheet
after my post, you could have said that then and
avoided just digging yourself deeper and deeper
into a foolish hole.



*BTW, that's the second
time she made the exact same decision.

Who the hell cares. So, you're to cheap to spend
$400 to keep the fridge from sticking out into the
kitchen. The point is the OP shouldn't be mislead
by your claim that counterdepth units are 2/3's the
space of standard units.




Instead of digging yourself into a hole, if you'd just gone to
the Electolux website you'd have seen that even the French-door
models only differ by 15%, not the claimed 33%.

Are they taller to make up for it. *Good grief, you're dense.



Look fool. These were my exact words:

"Don't know which ones you compared, but in my
experience they were almost the same in cubic feet,
just a couple cft less. They make up for the depth
by being taller. "

Kitchenaid has standard units that are 68 5/8. They
have counterdepths that are 71. Those units differ by a
mere 2 cft, so yes they make up some of the usable
volume by the counterdepth being taller. Technically
Electrolux does the same thing with their French
door units. They are 3/8 taller than the standard unit.
Since you're the one arguing physics rather than
manufacturer's data sheets, last time I checked,
70 is indeed taller than 69 5/8. Electrolux also makes
the French door counterdepth ones 3/8" wider as
well, again helping keep the units as close in
volume as possible. Capiche?






EW23CS85KS
EW26SS85KS
Now maybe that's
a big difference to you, but quantitatively it's NOT anywhere close
to your big difference in volume. * And I'd say it's not
enough to make a difference to most people. *Trade 10% of
the volume for not having the refrigerator sticking out seems
like a fine thing to me. * The OP can do what he wants. *But
he shouldn't do it based on false data.

It's *exactly* the same as the front-to-back difference. *15% less space, $400
more. *No sale.

The point is that counterdepth units typicall vary from the
equivalent standard unit by about 10 to 15% in volume.
Not 33%. *Capiche?

They're 10-15% shallower, not taller to make up for it, as one idiot here
claimed. *Capiche? (yourself)


My exact words in context, in the very first post:

"Don't know which ones you compared, but in my
experience they were almost the same in cubic feet,
just a couple cft less. They make up for the depth
by being taller. "

Your very first post:

"=
"We were going to buy a Electrolux to fit into a tight space but SWMBO
finally
decided she didn't want to pay several hundred more for 2/3s the
'fridge. The
fridge sticking into the traffic pattern isn't the best"

Everyone can judge for themselve who the idiot is here.

On May 29, 9:27*pm, "
wrote:
On Tue, 29 May 2012 06:28:34 -0700 (PDT), "





wrote:
On May 28, 4:50*pm, bobmct wrote:
On Sun, 27 May 2012 19:27:08 -0400, "Gomba" wrote:
Do you have one? Likes or dislikes. Brand? Finish? *Would you do it again?

Thanks

Recently purchased a Whirlpool side/side counter depth in Stainless.
Flush with the cabinets and counter top and seems to blend right in.
No appreciable loss of interior storage. *Got it at Lowes for a pretty
good price ($899 on sale - free delivery)

Try telling that to krw. *He claims you lose 33% of your
space by going to counterdepth. *You actually lose 10% to
15%, but like you from a practical standpoint I did not
notice a difference. *But also like you, I notice a BIG
difference in not having the fridge sticking out into the
kitchen. *It looks, finished, almost built-in.

You lose the same space as the cabinet depth is shallower. *That's a *fact*.
Pay more, get less.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

That's a lie. You can't take a standard fridge, just pull the
door off, cut the cabinet down and put it back together.
Well, maybe you can because you're clearly living in your
own little world.

For the rest of us, when you compare actual fridges,
that you can buy you can find similar counterdepth ones
available that are 10 to 15% of the volume of std ones.
Not 33% less as you claimed.
And some of those make up part of the space lost
in going counterdepth by being taller and/or wider.
The 71" Kitchenaid sitting in my kitchen, being an
example. Or those Frenchdoor units at Electolux
that are 3/8" taller and 3/8" inch wider than the
comparable std fridge.

Why do you just keep digging your hole deeper?

"Robert Macy" wrote in message
...


Wife loves the shallow access - no reaching way back.


Is she blonde ?



sorry, couldn't resist..

On May 27, 4:27*pm, "Gomba" wrote:
Do you have one? Likes or dislikes. Brand? Finish? *Would you do it again?

Thanks

They do cost more and have less space, but there's one more thing to
think about: Door swing.

In some kitchens, where the fridge is near a wall, think about the
where the hinge line of the door will be. I couldn't put a counter
depth fridge in because the right side door wouldn't be able to open
all the way. A regular french-door fridge allowed the fridge door to
open fully into the kitchen entryway.