US homeland security has bought in 750,000,000 rounds of hollow point
45cal ammunition.
It's illegal to use on the battlefield, ergo you are the targets.
They will shoot you down like dogs in the street in the coming
revolution.
http://www.presstv.ir/detail/235910.html

harry wrote:
US homeland security has bought in 750,000,000 rounds of hollow point
45cal ammunition.
It's illegal to use on the battlefield, ergo you are the targets.
They will shoot you down like dogs in the street in the coming
revolution.
http://www.presstv.ir/detail/235910.html

You can't even count!

DHS has ordered only 450 million rounds, to be delivered over a five-year
period. That's a piddly 90 million per year for over 200,000 employees, or
450 each, barely enough for one day at the practice range.

Further, the order wasn't for .45 ammunition, it was for .40 caliber.

Only in some fantasy world is it possible for American soldiers or DHS
employees to be shooting their friends and neighbors.

On Apr 13, 8:49*pm, "HeyBub" wrote:
harry wrote:
US homeland security has bought in 750,000,000 rounds of hollow point
45cal ammunition.
It's illegal to use on the battlefield, ergo you are the targets.
They will shoot you down like dogs in the street in the coming
revolution.
http://www.presstv.ir/detail/235910.html

You can't even count!

DHS has ordered only 450 million rounds, to be delivered over a five-year
period. That's a piddly 90 million per year for over 200,000 employees, or
450 each, barely enough for one day at the practice range.

Further, the order wasn't for .45 ammunition, it was for .40 caliber.

Only in some fantasy world is it possible for American soldiers or DHS
employees to be shooting their friends and neighbors.

They do it in Syria. And Israel.
It is part of the progression of all fascist states.
I have predicted this for quite a while.
We are going to see the "American Spring". Order your tin (foil) hats.

BTW, is it normal to use hollow point on the practice range?

They shoot their neighbours in Florida don't they?

We better ask Storming "Who is my neighbour?"
I seem to recall Jesus made a pronouncement on this.

On Apr 13, 12:49*pm, "HeyBub" wrote:
harry wrote:
US homeland security has bought in 750,000,000 rounds of hollow point
45cal ammunition.
It's illegal to use on the battlefield, ergo you are the targets.
They will shoot you down like dogs in the street in the coming
revolution.
http://www.presstv.ir/detail/235910.html

You can't even count!

DHS has ordered only 450 million rounds, to be delivered over a five-year
period. That's a piddly 90 million per year for over 200,000 employees, or
450 each, barely enough for one day at the practice range.

Further, the order wasn't for .45 ammunition, it was for .40 caliber.

Only in some fantasy world is it possible for American soldiers or DHS
employees to be shooting their friends and neighbors.

and the reason for hollow points? It would seem more than zero per
person is too many.

Recently announced, San Jose, CA police dept proudly has added to
their arenal of crowd control, low frequency launching device. If you
ever lived in San Jose, you'd know there's not a lot of need for
'crowd control' ,well not today anyway.

Robert Macy wrote:
On Apr 13, 12:49 pm, "HeyBub" wrote:
harry wrote:
US homeland security has bought in 750,000,000 rounds of hollow
point 45cal ammunition.
It's illegal to use on the battlefield, ergo you are the targets.
They will shoot you down like dogs in the street in the coming
revolution.
http://www.presstv.ir/detail/235910.html

You can't even count!

DHS has ordered only 450 million rounds, to be delivered over a
five-year period. That's a piddly 90 million per year for over
200,000 employees, or 450 each, barely enough for one day at the
practice range.

Further, the order wasn't for .45 ammunition, it was for .40 caliber.

Only in some fantasy world is it possible for American soldiers or
DHS employees to be shooting their friends and neighbors.

and the reason for hollow points? It would seem more than zero per
person is too many.

The are several reasons for using hollow-points:
* They do more damage than FMJ (full metal jacket) rounds. As an economy
measure, you bring down the perp with fewer rounds.
* They tend to expend their energy in the first thing they hit, rather than
over-penetrating and going on to threaten bystanders.
* They tend to fragment, thereby enhancing the above two reasons.
* They're cheaper than FMJ because NOBODY uses FMJ rounds. Orders for FMJ
bullets have to be hand-crafted, one at a time. Or so I'm told.

On Sat, 14 Apr 2012 10:16:08 -0500, "HeyBub" wrote:

Robert Macy wrote:
On Apr 13, 12:49 pm, "HeyBub" wrote:
harry wrote:
US homeland security has bought in 750,000,000 rounds of hollow
point 45cal ammunition.
It's illegal to use on the battlefield, ergo you are the targets.
They will shoot you down like dogs in the street in the coming
revolution.
http://www.presstv.ir/detail/235910.html

You can't even count!

DHS has ordered only 450 million rounds, to be delivered over a
five-year period. That's a piddly 90 million per year for over
200,000 employees, or 450 each, barely enough for one day at the
practice range.

Further, the order wasn't for .45 ammunition, it was for .40 caliber.

Only in some fantasy world is it possible for American soldiers or
DHS employees to be shooting their friends and neighbors.

and the reason for hollow points? It would seem more than zero per
person is too many.

The are several reasons for using hollow-points:
* They do more damage than FMJ (full metal jacket) rounds. As an economy
measure, you bring down the perp with fewer rounds.
* They tend to expend their energy in the first thing they hit, rather than
over-penetrating and going on to threaten bystanders.
* They tend to fragment, thereby enhancing the above two reasons.
* They're cheaper than FMJ because NOBODY uses FMJ rounds. Orders for FMJ
bullets have to be hand-crafted, one at a time. Or so I'm told.

WallyWorld has 10x the FMJ stock as JHPs. In fact, it's fairly common that
they don't have any JHPs at all. I buy 100 9mm JHPs every time I see a box
(almost always singular) on the shelf.

On Sat, 14 Apr 2012 12:27:29 -0400, "
wrote:

On Sat, 14 Apr 2012 10:16:08 -0500, "HeyBub" wrote:

Robert Macy wrote:
On Apr 13, 12:49 pm, "HeyBub" wrote:
harry wrote:
US homeland security has bought in 750,000,000 rounds of hollow
point 45cal ammunition.
It's illegal to use on the battlefield, ergo you are the targets.
They will shoot you down like dogs in the street in the coming
revolution.
http://www.presstv.ir/detail/235910.html

You can't even count!

DHS has ordered only 450 million rounds, to be delivered over a
five-year period. That's a piddly 90 million per year for over
200,000 employees, or 450 each, barely enough for one day at the
practice range.

Further, the order wasn't for .45 ammunition, it was for .40 caliber.

Only in some fantasy world is it possible for American soldiers or
DHS employees to be shooting their friends and neighbors.

and the reason for hollow points? It would seem more than zero per
person is too many.

The are several reasons for using hollow-points:
* They do more damage than FMJ (full metal jacket) rounds. As an economy
measure, you bring down the perp with fewer rounds.
* They tend to expend their energy in the first thing they hit, rather than
over-penetrating and going on to threaten bystanders.
* They tend to fragment, thereby enhancing the above two reasons.
* They're cheaper than FMJ because NOBODY uses FMJ rounds. Orders for FMJ
bullets have to be hand-crafted, one at a time. Or so I'm told.

WallyWorld has 10x the FMJ stock as JHPs. In fact, it's fairly common that
they don't have any JHPs at all. I buy 100 9mm JHPs every time I see a box
(almost always singular) on the shelf.

I forgot, the JHPs are about 20-30% more expensive than FMJs, too.

zzzzzzzzzz wrote:

WallyWorld has 10x the FMJ stock as JHPs. In fact, it's fairly
common that they don't have any JHPs at all. I buy 100 9mm JHPs
every time I see a box (almost always singular) on the shelf.

You might visit your local gun show. There, reloads can be had for
(sometimes) 60% of the price of factory loads.

I buy 9mm ammunition in 1,000-round cases for about $160. Lately, I've
bought 9x18 Makarov for $150/1000.

There are SOME gun shows that do not allow the sale of ammunition (spit!).
In that case, you buy your ammo at a table and get a chit, redeemable for
your purcase from a fellow in the parking lot. Look for the red bakery
truck.

On Sat, 14 Apr 2012 15:59:30 -0500, "HeyBub" wrote:

wrote:

WallyWorld has 10x the FMJ stock as JHPs. In fact, it's fairly
common that they don't have any JHPs at all. I buy 100 9mm JHPs
every time I see a box (almost always singular) on the shelf.

You might visit your local gun show. There, reloads can be had for
(sometimes) 60% of the price of factory loads.

Been there. Bought some but it tends to be *really* dirty and hasn't been a
bargain for four or five years.

I buy 9mm ammunition in 1,000-round cases for about $160. Lately, I've
bought 9x18 Makarov for $150/1000.

That's a good price, if it's any good. The shows I've gone to have no-name
stuff for maybe 90% of Wally's price. From experience this stuff makes a mess
of guns.

There are SOME gun shows that do not allow the sale of ammunition (spit!).

What's the point?

In that case, you buy your ammo at a table and get a chit, redeemable for
your purcase from a fellow in the parking lot. Look for the red bakery
truck.

BATF agent? ;-)

On Fri, 13 Apr 2012 11:40:46 -0700 (PDT), harry
wrote:

US homeland security has bought in 750,000,000 rounds of hollow point
45cal ammunition.

Dumb ass.

I mentioned several days ago (before your tripe posting) they were
only buying 450 Million rounds of .40 caliber.

DHS does not pay for ammo for the Coast Guard.

DHS will be buying many new rifles. Same as any civilians. The price
of .223 should go up. Invest in guns and ammo.....

How do make up such nonsense? Does the Queen make you do it?

"HeyBub" wrote:

Robert Macy wrote:

-snip-
and the reason for hollow points? It would seem more than zero per
person is too many.

The are several reasons for using hollow-points:
* They do more damage than FMJ (full metal jacket) rounds. As an economy
measure, you bring down the perp with fewer rounds.
* They tend to expend their energy in the first thing they hit, rather than
over-penetrating and going on to threaten bystanders.

Or penetrating the skin of an airplane that is too high for that to be
a good idea.

* They tend to fragment, thereby enhancing the above two reasons.
* They're cheaper than FMJ because NOBODY uses FMJ rounds. Orders for FMJ
bullets have to be hand-crafted, one at a time. Or so I'm told.


I think reducing 'over-penetration' is reason enough.

Jim

"harry" wrote in message
...
On Apr 13, 8:49 pm, "HeyBub" wrote:
harry wrote:
US homeland security has bought in 750,000,000 rounds of hollow point
45cal ammunition.
It's illegal to use on the battlefield, ergo you are the targets.
They will shoot you down like dogs in the street in the coming
revolution.
http://www.presstv.ir/detail/235910.html

You can't even count!

DHS has ordered only 450 million rounds, to be delivered over a five-year
period. That's a piddly 90 million per year for over 200,000 employees,
or
450 each, barely enough for one day at the practice range.

Further, the order wasn't for .45 ammunition, it was for .40 caliber.

Only in some fantasy world is it possible for American soldiers or DHS
employees to be shooting their friends and neighbors.

They do it in Syria. And Israel.

Really ??
When has Israel gone out to kill Israelis ?


It is part of the progression of all fascist states.

sigh
Poor harry has forgotten AGAIN, that fascist is another term for National
Socialist as in the Italian National Socialists under Mussolini..


I have predicted this for quite a while.
We are going to see the "American Spring". Order your tin (foil) hats.

Sure bub..
Won't happen here, because the Jacksonians will rise up and squelch it.
It think we're more than likely to see a Euro spring far sooner.

"harry" wrote in message
...
BTW, is it normal to use hollow point on the practice range?

They shoot their neighbours in Florida don't they?

We better ask Storming "Who is my neighbour?"
I seem to recall Jesus made a pronouncement on this.

I pay pretty well near the same price for HP as FMJ
So yeah, I shoot HP at the range
Might as well shoot what I carry when there is no difference in price.

"HeyBub" wrote in message
m...

Lately, I've bought 9x18 Makarov for $150/1000.


You shoot the Mak ??

Attila.Iskander wrote:
"HeyBub" wrote in message
m...

Lately, I've bought 9x18 Makarov for $150/1000.


You shoot the Mak ??

Yep. A CZ82. I got it shortly after my Glock "discharged out of battery,"
which means the cartridge went off before it was seated in the chamber. Blew
the **** out of both sides of the weapon (look up "Glock Kaboom").

I've had it with Bakelite guns. No more plastic pistols for me.

Jim Elbrecht wrote:
"HeyBub" wrote:

Robert Macy wrote:

-snip-
and the reason for hollow points? It would seem more than zero per
person is too many.

The are several reasons for using hollow-points:
* They do more damage than FMJ (full metal jacket) rounds. As an
economy measure, you bring down the perp with fewer rounds.
* They tend to expend their energy in the first thing they hit,
rather than over-penetrating and going on to threaten bystanders.

Or penetrating the skin of an airplane that is too high for that to be
a good idea.

Blow a bullet hole in an airplane at 30,000 feet and what you'll have is a
whisteling sound. That's all.


* They tend to fragment, thereby enhancing the above two reasons.
* They're cheaper than FMJ because NOBODY uses FMJ rounds. Orders
for FMJ bullets have to be hand-crafted, one at a time. Or so I'm
told.


I think reducing 'over-penetration' is reason enough.


If using FMJ, you could request that all the various scrots and stink-eyes
line up single file...

On Sun, 15 Apr 2012 17:27:01 -0500, "HeyBub" wrote:

Attila.Iskander wrote:
"HeyBub" wrote in message
m...

Lately, I've bought 9x18 Makarov for $150/1000.


You shoot the Mak ??

Yep. A CZ82. I got it shortly after my Glock "discharged out of battery,"
which means the cartridge went off before it was seated in the chamber. Blew
the **** out of both sides of the weapon (look up "Glock Kaboom").

I've had it with Bakelite guns. No more plastic pistols for me.

Besides, they feel like toy guns. DIL has one. I don't like it a bit.

"HeyBub" wrote in message
m...
Attila.Iskander wrote:
"HeyBub" wrote in message
m...

Lately, I've bought 9x18 Makarov for $150/1000.


You shoot the Mak ??

Yep. A CZ82. I got it shortly after my Glock "discharged out of battery,"
which means the cartridge went off before it was seated in the chamber.
Blew the **** out of both sides of the weapon (look up "Glock Kaboom").

I've had it with Bakelite guns. No more plastic pistols for me.


Not to be Nitpicky but a CZ82 is NOT a Makarov.
You will upset the purists by confounding the two

"HeyBub" wrote in message
m...
Jim Elbrecht wrote:
"HeyBub" wrote:

Robert Macy wrote:

-snip-
and the reason for hollow points? It would seem more than zero per
person is too many.

The are several reasons for using hollow-points:
* They do more damage than FMJ (full metal jacket) rounds. As an
economy measure, you bring down the perp with fewer rounds.
* They tend to expend their energy in the first thing they hit,
rather than over-penetrating and going on to threaten bystanders.

Or penetrating the skin of an airplane that is too high for that to be
a good idea.

Blow a bullet hole in an airplane at 30,000 feet and what you'll have is a
whisteling sound. That's all.


* They tend to fragment, thereby enhancing the above two reasons.
* They're cheaper than FMJ because NOBODY uses FMJ rounds. Orders
for FMJ bullets have to be hand-crafted, one at a time. Or so I'm
told.


I think reducing 'over-penetration' is reason enough.


If using FMJ, you could request that all the various scrots and stink-eyes
line up single file...


You just need to do lateral movement to line them up properly.

On 4/15/2012 5:27 PM, HeyBub wrote:
Attila.Iskander wrote:
wrote in message
m...

Lately, I've bought 9x18 Makarov for $150/1000.


You shoot the Mak ??

Yep. A CZ82. I got it shortly after my Glock "discharged out of battery,"
which means the cartridge went off before it was seated in the chamber. Blew
the **** out of both sides of the weapon (look up "Glock Kaboom").

I've had it with Bakelite guns. No more plastic pistols for me.



What's your opinion of the Browning Hi-Power? I once owned one, sold it
and wish I hadn't. o_O

TDD