A bit more intellectual than Fox News.

http://www.aljazeera.com/programmes/...433199395.html

http://www.aljazeera.com/programmes/peopleandpower/

dadiOH wrote:

Maybe, maybe not. I doubt all that many non-Mormons know much about
it other than the fact that they used to (and some still do) practice
polygamy.
If they read up on it they might find some things hard to swallow. Like
the golden plates Smith supposedly found circa 1830 and the
"translation" of which forms the basis of the religion. Said plates
had supposedly been buried circa 420 AD yet they quote liberally from
the King James Bible which did not exist until almost 1200 years
later.
Kinda hard to swallow. Of course, I found the bible hard to swallow
too and spit it out decades ago.

Ask a Christian theologian how Isaiah 7:14 ("and THIS YOUNG WOMAN shall bear
a child and she will name him Emmanuel...") can fortell the virgin birth of
Christ. This is the answer you'll get:

"The verse had a meaning for those of the period - else they wouldn't listen
to it - and a meaning to be discovered later."

To satisfy your conundrum, one possible answer by the Mormons is that the
creator of the plates also drove the pens of the King James translators and
authors.

With God, all things are possible. Except of course His ability to create a
stone so large he could not roll it.

Sorry, this is off topic, but it is pretty cool.

10) The National Cathedral could be renamed the National Tabernacle

9) NASA could commission a satellite to 'hie to Kolob'

8) The Secret Service could be renamed the Sacred Service

7) All official government prayers could include the phrase 'that we all can
get home safely'

6) Napoleon Dynamite could get someone other than Pedro elected

5) The President could not only explain things in Layman's terms, but also
Lemuel's terms

4) The President could issue pardons in exchange for 100% home teaching

3) Not only could he pronounce 'Nuclear' but also 'Mahonri Moriancumer' and
'Maher Shalal Hash Baz'.

2) At his inauguration he would swear on the Bible 'as far as it is
translated correctly' .

1) Finally a first family large enough to fill up the White House.

Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
..

On Apr 14, 2:59*am, "Stormin Mormon"
wrote:
Sorry, this is off topic, but it is pretty cool.

10) The National Cathedral could be renamed the National Tabernacle

9) NASA could commission a satellite to 'hie to Kolob'

8) The Secret Service could be renamed the Sacred Service

7) All official government prayers could include the phrase 'that we all can
get home safely'

6) Napoleon Dynamite could get someone other than Pedro elected

5) The President could not only explain things in Layman's terms, but also
Lemuel's terms

4) The President could issue pardons in exchange for 100% home teaching

3) Not only could he pronounce 'Nuclear' but also 'Mahonri Moriancumer' and
'Maher Shalal Hash Baz'.

2) At his inauguration he would swear on the Bible 'as far as it is
translated correctly' .

1) Finally a first family large enough to fill up the White House.

Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
*www.lds.org
.

Heh. Ihad to look up most of that stuff.
I hope it;s not true about many a true word spoken in jest.

By putting this guy/nutter up, republicans have just lost.
Sanatorium was the most logical candidate.

Old guy holding his arms up, and the red sea parts? Then, closes back up and
drowns the enemy army?

With power like that, who needs a tactical mag shotgun?

Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
..

"G. Morgan" wrote in message
news dadiOH wrote:

Kinda hard to swallow. Of course, I found the bible hard to swallow too
and
spit it out decades ago.

What, you don't believe in talking snakes? g

--
It's weird... people say they're not like apes. Now how do you
explain football then? -Mitch Hedberg

In article ,
G. Morgan wrote:

Stormin Mormon wrote:

Old guy holding his arms up, and the red sea parts? Then, closes back up and
drowns the enemy army?

Until that guy shows up, I'll rely on Mossberg!
But even when he does show up, you'll still need a nearby body of
water to part/close. Probably just keep the Mossberg either way.

--
People thought cybersex was a safe alternative,
until patients started presenting with sexually
acquired carpal tunnel syndrome.-Howard Berkowitz

In article ,
G. Morgan wrote:

But even when he does show up, you'll still need a nearby body of
water to part/close. Probably just keep the Mossberg either way.

That's true. There is a river not too far from here about 16'
deep. I suppose if a guy managed to part it and swallow my
enemies I'd be impressed.

But you'd have to do all the heavy lifting (or running) to get your
enemies from your house to the river. Seems so much easier to just go
with the Mossberg and leave the river parting for a party stunt (g).


Still hold on to the Mossberg though!

--
People thought cybersex was a safe alternative,
until patients started presenting with sexually
acquired carpal tunnel syndrome.-Howard Berkowitz

"G. wrote in message
news dadiOH wrote:

Kinda hard to swallow. Of course, I found the bible hard to swallow too
and
spit it out decades ago.

What, you don't believe in talking snakes?g


On 4/14/2012 8:02 AM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
Old guy holding his arms up, and the red sea parts? Then, closes back
up and
drowns the enemy army?

With power like that, who needs a tactical mag shotgun?

Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
.


If this deity could part the sea and make dry land available, why did
Noah have to sweat his ass off building a big ass boat and then ride
around in it for a month with a bunch of stinky animals?

Bernt Berger wrote in
:

If this deity could part the sea and make dry land available, why did
Noah have to sweat his ass off building a big ass boat and then ride
around in it for a month with a bunch of stinky animals?


Testing, testing, 1, 2,3, ... , 40.

--
Best regards
Han
email address is invalid

In article ,
Bernt Berger wrote:


On 4/14/2012 8:02 AM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
Old guy holding his arms up, and the red sea parts? Then, closes back
up and
drowns the enemy army?

With power like that, who needs a tactical mag shotgun?

If this deity could part the sea and make dry land available, why did
Noah have to sweat his ass off building a big ass boat and then ride
around in it for a month with a bunch of stinky animals?



Parting a relatively small corridor for a group of people is
substantially different from when then entire earth is flooded.

--
People thought cybersex was a safe alternative,
until patients started presenting with sexually
acquired carpal tunnel syndrome.-Howard Berkowitz

Bernt Berger wrote:

If this deity could part the sea and make dry land available, why did
Noah have to sweat his ass off building a big ass boat and then ride
around in it for a month with a bunch of stinky animals?

Perhaps as punishment?

You see, Noah was not a particularily good person. The Bible describes him
as "righteous in his generation," which means he was the best of a very bad
lot. Perhaps God was trying to teach him something.

In an expanded version of the Book of Genesis, we find the following dialog:

--- begin quote

And the Lord said unto Noah: "Where is the ark that I commandest thee to
build?"

And Noah said unto the Lord: "Verily, I have had three carpenters off sick.
The gopher wood supplier hath let me down - yea, even though the gopher wood
hath been on order for nigh upon twelve months. The dampcourse specialist
hath not turned up. What can I do, O Lord?"

And God said unto Noah: "I want that ark finished even after seven days and
seven nights."

And Noah said: "It will be so."

And it was not so.

And the Lord said unto Noah: "What seemeth to be the trouble this time?"

And Noah said unto the Lord: "Mine sub-contractor hath gone bankrupt. The
pitch which thou commandest me to put on the outside and on the inside of
the ark hath not arrived. The plumber hath gone on strike."

Noah rent his garments and cried: "The glazier departeth on holiday to
Majorca - yea, even though I offerest him double time. Shem, my son who
helpeth me on the ark side fo the businesss, hath formed a rock group with
his brothers Ham and Japheth. My wife hath joined an awareness group. Lord,
I am undone."

And lo, it was not fulfilled.

And Noah said unto the Lord: "The gopher wood is definitely in the
warehouse. Verily and the gopher wood supplier waiteth only upon his servant
to find the invoices before he delivereth the gopher wood unto me."

And the Lord grew angry and said: "What about the animals? Of fowls after
their kind, and of every creeping thing of the Earth after their kind, two
of every sort have I ordered to come unto thee to keep them alive. Where,
for example, are the giraffes?"

And Noah said unto the Lord: "They are expected today."

And the Lord said unto Noah: "And where are the clean beasts, the male and
the female; to keep their seed alive upon the face of all the Earth?

And Noah said: "The van cometh on Tuesday; yea and yea, it will be so."

And the Lord said unto Noah: "How about the unicorns?"

And Noah wrung his hands and wept, saying: "Lord, Lord, they are a
discontinued line. Thou canst not get unicorns for love nor money."

And God said: "Where are the monkeys, and the bears, and the hippopotami,
and the elephants, and the zebras, and the hartebeasts, two of each kind;
and of fowls also of the air by sevens, the male and the female?"

And Noah said unto the Lord: "They have been delivered unto the wrong
address but should arriveth on Friday; all save the fowls of the air by
sevens, for it hath just been told unto me that fowls of the air are sold
only in half dozens."

And Noah kissed the Earth and said: "Lord, Lord, thou knowest in thy wisdom
what it is like with delivery dates."

And the Lord in His wisdom said: "Noah my son, I knowest. Why else dost thou
think I have caused a flood to descend upon the Earth?"
--- end quote

On Apr 14, 1:02*pm, "Stormin Mormon"
wrote:
Old guy holding his arms up, and the red sea parts? Then, closes back up and
drowns the enemy army?

With power like that, who needs a tactical mag shotgun?


Tsunami. Documented too.

On Apr 14, 2:33*pm, Kurt Ullman wrote:
In article ,
*G. Morgan wrote:

*But even when he does show up, you'll still need a nearby body of
water to part/close. Probably just keep the Mossberg either way.

That's true. *There is a river not too far from here about 16'
deep. *I suppose if a guy managed to part it and swallow my
enemies I'd be impressed.

* But you'd have to do all the heavy lifting (or running) to get your
enemies from your house to the river. *Seems so much easier to just go
with the Mossberg and leave the river parting for a party stunt (g).


All you need to do is get them to chase you. :-)

On Apr 14, 3:32*pm, Bernt Berger wrote:
"G. *wrote in message
news dadiOH wrote:

Kinda hard to swallow. *Of course, I found the bible hard to swallow too
and
spit it out decades ago.

What, you don't believe in talking snakes?g

On 4/14/2012 8:02 AM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
* Old guy holding his arms up, and the red sea parts? Then, closes back
up and
* drowns the enemy army?
*
* With power like that, who needs a tactical mag shotgun?
*
* Christopher A. Young
* Learn more about Jesus
* * *www.lds.org
* .
*

If this deity could part the sea and make dry land available, why did
Noah have to sweat his ass off building a big ass boat and then ride
around in it for a month with a bunch of stinky animals?

Why didn't the T. Rex eat Noah?

On Apr 14, 3:38*pm, G. Morgan wrote:
Bernt Berger wrote:
If this deity could part the sea and make dry land available, why did
Noah have to sweat his ass off building a big ass boat and then ride
around in it for a month with a bunch of stinky animals?

Lol.. *Good question.

--
I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it. -Mitch Hedberg

All societies have flood legends. Most are based on fact. Heres one
that fits Noah.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_S...uge_hypothesis
So the story may not be strictly accurate but is likely based on fact.

On Apr 14, 4:00*pm, Kurt Ullman wrote:
In article ,
*Bernt Berger wrote:

On 4/14/2012 8:02 AM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
* Old guy holding his arms up, and the red sea parts? Then, closes back
up and
* drowns the enemy army?

* With power like that, who needs a tactical mag shotgun?
If this deity could part the sea and make dry land available, why did
Noah have to sweat his ass off building a big ass boat and then ride
around in it for a month with a bunch of stinky animals?

Parting a relatively small corridor for a group of people is
substantially different from when then entire earth is flooded.


It depends on what you consider the extent of the earth to be.
Most USAians think it extends from Canada to Mexico.

On Sat, 14 Apr 2012 07:47:24 -0500, G. Morgan
wrote:

Stormin Mormon wrote:

Old guy holding his arms up, and the red sea parts? Then, closes back up and
drowns the enemy army?

Until that guy shows up, I'll rely on Mossberg!

In Mossberg we trust?

On Sat, 14 Apr 2012 09:05:50 -0700 (PDT), harry wrote:

On Apr 14, 3:32*pm, Bernt Berger wrote:
"G. *wrote in message
news dadiOH wrote:

Kinda hard to swallow. *Of course, I found the bible hard to swallow too
and
spit it out decades ago.

What, you don't believe in talking snakes?g

On 4/14/2012 8:02 AM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
* Old guy holding his arms up, and the red sea parts? Then, closes back
up and
* drowns the enemy army?
*
* With power like that, who needs a tactical mag shotgun?
*
* Christopher A. Young
* Learn more about Jesus
* * *www.lds.org
* .
*

If this deity could part the sea and make dry land available, why did
Noah have to sweat his ass off building a big ass boat and then ride
around in it for a month with a bunch of stinky animals?

Why didn't the T. Rex eat Noah?

Because the T. Rex couldn't swim. Dumb limeys.

"dadiOH" wrote

Maybe, maybe not. I doubt all that many non-Mormons know much about it
other than the fact that they used to (and some still do) practice
polygamy.

* * * * *

go to exmormon.org, whatmormonsbelieve.org, google exposing Mormonism, etc.

The whole thing is riddled with bulletholes one could stick their oversized
intellectual brain through.

A recent Smithsonian DNA study debunks the Book of Mormon's idea that an
ancient people came to the Americas and started a civilization. Scientific
evidence. The present day Indians came mostly from Siberia and Mongolia.
Less than 1% came from the Middle east, where a message was sent from God to
a man in Jerusalem to take their families and flee east, make boats, and
sail to a new world.

The Smithsonian has stated that not one potsherd nor antiquity has been
located that could be linked to these ancient people.

27,000 words from the King James are used in Book of Mormon, in some cases
passages and chapters copied nearly intact.

When Utah went up for statehood, the US required them to renounce polygamy,
and even sent federal troops who arrested practicing polygamous men. A
bunch went over the line into then the territory of Arizona before its 1912
statehood, content to relocate rather than compromise the words of their
prophets polygamy than get statehood. Polygamy is alive and well about
50 miles from my home in Colorado City, AZ, and next door in Hilldale. It
is practiced around the US, but not in the large enclaves people think. The
original pure form of Mormonism is practiced there more than in Salt Lake
City.

The Mormon faith, the Book of Mormon, and all their supporting documents and
books are riddled with holes for anyone willing to take the time to
investigate. Direct contradictions with the Bible, changes from one
printing to the next over the scores of reprintings that have been done.

Ah, yes, but so is Christianity, you say. You would be accurate. So, I
think there is no difference who's in the White House religiously. We have
a Muslim now. It might make a difference if the **** hits the fan, and on
some sweetheart deals, but I think there's enough balances in place to keep
any one person from going off the deep end.

Mormons, for the most part are good people. But it is a need to know
society, and most of the base of the pyramid don't need to know, and never
get the whole truth of the secrets of the church. Most members never ever
get to enter the inner parts of their own temples. People join the church
for community, and assistance more than for true faith, because if they
would investigate it, it can easily be disproved.

When I talk with Mormons, I need to point out things in their own books
because they don't know what's even there, for the most part.

Steve, an apostate Son of Perdition. (Google Son of Perdition Mormon) Now
just a plain vanilla Christian.

"gonjah" gonjah.net wrote

He's a cultist,not a christian. And mormans have a violent history too.

Now, Goddamit, don't be bringing the 1857 "Mountain Meadows Massacre" into
it. There are no room for facts in a Usenet discussion.

Mormons are just like any other religion, be it Christian, Muslim, or
whatever. "Believe what I believe, or I will kill you."

"Fighting for peace is like ****ing for chastity." - A placard in the 1969
Broadway play Hair.

We believe in peace, love, camaraderie, and fellowship. And if you don't
agree with us, we will blow your **** into little bitty piles.
______________ (insert relevant religion in empty space.)

LOVE ME OR I WILL KILL YOU!

AND I MEAN IT!

Oh, BTW, the disclaimer: Peace be with you.

OMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM

Steve

On 14 Apr 2012, "Steve B" wrote in
alt.home.repair:

"gonjah" gonjah.net wrote

He's a cultist,not a christian. And mormans have a violent
history too.

You should be more careful with your attributions. "gonjah" did NOT
write what you claim he did.

On 4/14/2012 11:36 PM, Nil wrote:
On 14 Apr 2012, "Steve wrote in
alt.home.repair:

"gonjah"gonjah.net wrote

He's a cultist,not a christian. And mormans have a violent
history too.
You should be more careful with your attributions. "gonjah" did NOT
write what you claim he did.

Very true. Thanks Nil. Good man. :-)

"gonjah" wrote in message
net...
On 4/14/2012 11:36 PM, Nil wrote:
On 14 Apr 2012, "Steve wrote in
alt.home.repair:

"gonjah"gonjah.net wrote

He's a cultist,not a christian. And mormans have a violent
history too.
You should be more careful with your attributions. "gonjah" did NOT
write what you claim he did.

Very true. Thanks Nil. Good man. :-)

Sorry. My bad. Usenet is such an exacting science, and I am not detail
oriented at all.

Steve

On Apr 15, 3:27*am, "Steve B" wrote:
"gonjah" gonjah.net wrote

He's a cultist,not a christian. And mormans have a violent history too..

Now, Goddamit, don't be bringing the 1857 "Mountain Meadows Massacre" into
it. *There are no room for facts in a Usenet discussion.

Mormons are just like any other religion, be it Christian, Muslim, or
whatever. *"Believe what I believe, or I will kill you."

"Fighting for peace is like ****ing for chastity." *- A placard in the 1969
Broadway play Hair.

We believe in peace, love, camaraderie, and fellowship. *And if you don't
agree with us, we will blow your **** into little bitty piles.
______________ (insert relevant religion in empty space.)

LOVE ME OR I WILL KILL YOU!

AND I MEAN IT!

Oh, BTW, the disclaimer: *Peace be with you.

OMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM

Steve

Heh Heh!

On Apr 15, 5:45*am, gonjah wrote:
On 4/14/2012 11:36 PM, Nil wrote:

On 14 Apr 2012, "Steve *wrote in
alt.home.repair:

"gonjah"gonjah.net *wrote

He's a cultist,not a christian. And mormans have a violent
history too.
You should be more careful with your attributions. "gonjah" did NOT
write what you claim he did.

Very true. Thanks Nil. Good man. :-)

It was me. (Harry)

On Apr 13, 3:01*pm, "HeyBub" wrote:
dadiOH wrote:

Maybe, maybe not. *I doubt all that many non-Mormons know much about
it other than the fact that they used to (and some still do) practice
polygamy.
If they read up on it they might find some things hard to swallow. Like
the golden plates Smith supposedly found circa 1830 and the
"translation" of which forms the basis of the religion. *Said plates
had supposedly been buried circa 420 AD yet they quote liberally from
the King James Bible which did not exist until almost 1200 years
later.
Kinda hard to swallow. *Of course, I found the bible hard to swallow
too and spit it out decades ago.

Ask a Christian theologian how Isaiah 7:14 ("and THIS YOUNG WOMAN shall bear
a child and she will name him Emmanuel...") can fortell the virgin birth of
Christ. This is the answer you'll get:

"The verse had a meaning for those of the period - else they wouldn't listen
to it - and a meaning to be discovered later."

To satisfy your conundrum, one possible answer by the Mormons is that the
creator of the plates also drove the pens of the King James translators and
authors.

With God, all things are possible. Except of course His ability to create a
stone so large he could not roll it.

Or, apparantly, answer a prayer.

Harry K

On Apr 14, 5:02*am, "Stormin Mormon"
wrote:
Old guy holding his arms up, and the red sea parts? Then, closes back up and
drowns the enemy army?

With power like that, who needs a tactical mag shotgun?

Christopher A. Young

Or stopping the sun at which instant everyone and everything departed
eastard at sumenthing like 18,000 mph.


Harry K

On Sun, 15 Apr 2012 13:04:56 -0700 (PDT), Harry K
wrote:

On Apr 14, 5:02*am, "Stormin Mormon"
wrote:
Old guy holding his arms up, and the red sea parts? Then, closes back up and
drowns the enemy army?

With power like that, who needs a tactical mag shotgun?

Christopher A. Young

Or stopping the sun at which instant everyone and everything departed
eastard at sumenthing like 18,000 mph.

Um, the equator is something like 24,000 miles long. There are 24hrs in a
day, so your estimate is a "little" high. Still going to leave rubber,
though.

" writes:

On Sun, 15 Apr 2012 13:04:56 -0700 (PDT), Harry K
wrote:

On Apr 14, 5:02Â*am, "Stormin Mormon"
wrote:
Old guy holding his arms up, and the red sea parts? Then, closes back up and
drowns the enemy army?

With power like that, who needs a tactical mag shotgun?

Christopher A. Young

Or stopping the sun at which instant everyone and everything departed
eastard at sumenthing like 18,000 mph.

Um, the equator is something like 24,000 miles long. There are 24hrs in a
day, so your estimate is a "little" high. Still going to leave rubber,
though.

My first thought. Of course if you are not at the equator you're not
going the full 1000 MPH. But the OP said "stopping the Sun".

Someone's got a bad case of geocentrism or is just not scientifically knowledgeable.

Working out what would happen on the Earth if the Sun stopped orbiting
the galaxy at 220 KM/S (1/2 million MPH) would be complicated.
Main thing is we would leave solar orbit and it would either get really hot or
really cold. And eastward makes no sense at all.

--
Dan Espen

On Sun, 15 Apr 2012 17:35:42 -0400, Dan Espen wrote:

" writes:

On Sun, 15 Apr 2012 13:04:56 -0700 (PDT), Harry K
wrote:

On Apr 14, 5:02*am, "Stormin Mormon"
wrote:
Old guy holding his arms up, and the red sea parts? Then, closes back up and
drowns the enemy army?

With power like that, who needs a tactical mag shotgun?

Christopher A. Young

Or stopping the sun at which instant everyone and everything departed
eastard at sumenthing like 18,000 mph.

Um, the equator is something like 24,000 miles long. There are 24hrs in a
day, so your estimate is a "little" high. Still going to leave rubber,
though.

My first thought. Of course if you are not at the equator you're not
going the full 1000 MPH. But the OP said "stopping the Sun".

Ok, but that's not going to do much at all. It's the Earth that causes night
and day. ;-)

Someone's got a bad case of geocentrism or is just not scientifically knowledgeable.

It's from the Bible (or a 'B' movie, take your choice). What do you want?

Working out what would happen on the Earth if the Sun stopped orbiting
the galaxy at 220 KM/S (1/2 million MPH) would be complicated.
Main thing is we would leave solar orbit and it would either get really hot or
really cold. And eastward makes no sense at all.

No, it's a lot simpler than that. Define the sun as zero velocity and
calculate from there. ;-)

On Apr 15, 2:35*pm, Dan Espen wrote:
" writes:
On Sun, 15 Apr 2012 13:04:56 -0700 (PDT), Harry K
wrote:

On Apr 14, 5:02*am, "Stormin Mormon"
wrote:
Old guy holding his arms up, and the red sea parts? Then, closes back up and
drowns the enemy army?

With power like that, who needs a tactical mag shotgun?

Christopher A. Young

Or stopping the sun at which instant everyone and everything departed
eastard at sumenthing like 18,000 mph. *

Um, the equator is something like 24,000 miles long. *There are 24hrs in a
day, so your estimate is a "little" high. *Still going to leave rubber,
though.

My first thought. *Of course if you are not at the equator you're not
going the full 1000 MPH. *But the OP said "stopping the Sun".

Someone's got a bad case of geocentrism or is just not scientifically knowledgeable.

Working out what would happen on the Earth if the Sun stopped orbiting
the galaxy at 220 KM/S (1/2 million MPH) would be complicated.
Main thing is we would leave solar orbit and it would either get really hot or
really cold. *And eastward makes no sense at all.

--
Dan Espen

Eastward because the planet rotates West to East. Stop the sun
implies stopping the earth's rotation. What direction do you think
things will go?

Harry K

On Apr 15, 1:48*pm, "
wrote:
On Sun, 15 Apr 2012 13:04:56 -0700 (PDT), Harry K
wrote:

On Apr 14, 5:02*am, "Stormin Mormon"
wrote:
Old guy holding his arms up, and the red sea parts? Then, closes back up and
drowns the enemy army?

With power like that, who needs a tactical mag shotgun?

Christopher A. Young

Or stopping the sun at which instant everyone and everything departed
eastard at sumenthing like 18,000 mph. *

Um, the equator is something like 24,000 miles long. *There are 24hrs in a
day, so your estimate is a "little" high. *Still going to leave rubber,
though.

Yep. For some reason I was thinking of escape velocity and I'm not
even sure that is 18,000 mph.

Harry K

" writes:

On Sun, 15 Apr 2012 17:35:42 -0400, Dan Espen wrote:

" writes:

On Sun, 15 Apr 2012 13:04:56 -0700 (PDT), Harry K
wrote:

On Apr 14, 5:02Â*am, "Stormin Mormon"
wrote:
Old guy holding his arms up, and the red sea parts? Then, closes back up and
drowns the enemy army?

With power like that, who needs a tactical mag shotgun?

Christopher A. Young

Or stopping the sun at which instant everyone and everything departed
eastard at sumenthing like 18,000 mph.

Um, the equator is something like 24,000 miles long. There are 24hrs in a
day, so your estimate is a "little" high. Still going to leave rubber,
though.

My first thought. Of course if you are not at the equator you're not
going the full 1000 MPH. But the OP said "stopping the Sun".

Ok, but that's not going to do much at all. It's the Earth that causes night
and day. ;-)

Someone's got a bad case of geocentrism or is just not scientifically knowledgeable.

It's from the Bible (or a 'B' movie, take your choice). What do you want?

Working out what would happen on the Earth if the Sun stopped orbiting
the galaxy at 220 KM/S (1/2 million MPH) would be complicated.
Main thing is we would leave solar orbit and it would either get really hot or
really cold. And eastward makes no sense at all.

No, it's a lot simpler than that. Define the sun as zero velocity and
calculate from there. ;-)

No?

If we're talking about stopping the sun, we should pick the object
the sun orbits, the galaxy.

So, the sun goes from orbiting the galaxy at 1/2 million MPH to zero.
That makes our motion relative to the sun 1/2 million MPH,
in short, we're going somewhere real fast.

--
Dan Espen

Harry K writes:

On Apr 15, 2:35Â*pm, Dan Espen wrote:
" writes:
On Sun, 15 Apr 2012 13:04:56 -0700 (PDT), Harry K
wrote:

On Apr 14, 5:02Â*am, "Stormin Mormon"
wrote:
Old guy holding his arms up, and the red sea parts? Then, closes back up and
drowns the enemy army?

With power like that, who needs a tactical mag shotgun?

Christopher A. Young

Or stopping the sun at which instant everyone and everything departed
eastard at sumenthing like 18,000 mph. Â*

Um, the equator is something like 24,000 miles long. Â*There are 24hrs in a
day, so your estimate is a "little" high. Â*Still going to leave rubber,
though.

My first thought. Â*Of course if you are not at the equator you're not
going the full 1000 MPH. Â*But the OP said "stopping the Sun".

Someone's got a bad case of geocentrism or is just not scientifically knowledgeable.

Working out what would happen on the Earth if the Sun stopped orbiting
the galaxy at 220 KM/S (1/2 million MPH) would be complicated.
Main thing is we would leave solar orbit and it would either get really hot or
really cold. Â*And eastward makes no sense at all.

--
Dan Espen

Eastward because the planet rotates West to East. Stop the sun
implies stopping the earth's rotation. What direction do you think
things will go?

Stopping the sun relative to what?

Obeying the laws of physics, for the suns apparent motion
to stop in our sky,
the earth would have to slow it's rotation. The sun can carry on as
usual.

--
Dan Espen

On Sun, 15 Apr 2012 23:56:55 -0400, Dan Espen wrote:

" writes:

On Sun, 15 Apr 2012 17:35:42 -0400, Dan Espen wrote:

" writes:

On Sun, 15 Apr 2012 13:04:56 -0700 (PDT), Harry K
wrote:

On Apr 14, 5:02*am, "Stormin Mormon"
wrote:
Old guy holding his arms up, and the red sea parts? Then, closes back up and
drowns the enemy army?

With power like that, who needs a tactical mag shotgun?

Christopher A. Young

Or stopping the sun at which instant everyone and everything departed
eastard at sumenthing like 18,000 mph.

Um, the equator is something like 24,000 miles long. There are 24hrs in a
day, so your estimate is a "little" high. Still going to leave rubber,
though.

My first thought. Of course if you are not at the equator you're not
going the full 1000 MPH. But the OP said "stopping the Sun".

Ok, but that's not going to do much at all. It's the Earth that causes night
and day. ;-)

Someone's got a bad case of geocentrism or is just not scientifically knowledgeable.

It's from the Bible (or a 'B' movie, take your choice). What do you want?

Working out what would happen on the Earth if the Sun stopped orbiting
the galaxy at 220 KM/S (1/2 million MPH) would be complicated.
Main thing is we would leave solar orbit and it would either get really hot or
really cold. And eastward makes no sense at all.

No, it's a lot simpler than that. Define the sun as zero velocity and
calculate from there. ;-)

No?

If we're talking about stopping the sun, we should pick the object
the sun orbits, the galaxy.

Do you know what "define" means?

So, the sun goes from orbiting the galaxy at 1/2 million MPH to zero.

Easy. Sun == 0. Done.

That makes our motion relative to the sun 1/2 million MPH,
in short, we're going somewhere real fast.

Nope.

On Apr 16, 4:25*am, Harry K wrote:
On Apr 15, 1:48*pm, "





wrote:
On Sun, 15 Apr 2012 13:04:56 -0700 (PDT), Harry K
wrote:

On Apr 14, 5:02*am, "Stormin Mormon"
wrote:
Old guy holding his arms up, and the red sea parts? Then, closes back up and
drowns the enemy army?

With power like that, who needs a tactical mag shotgun?

Christopher A. Young

Or stopping the sun at which instant everyone and everything departed
eastard at sumenthing like 18,000 mph. *

Um, the equator is something like 24,000 miles long. *There are 24hrs in a
day, so your estimate is a "little" high. *Still going to leave rubber,
though.

Yep. *For some reason I was thinking of escape velocity and I'm not
even sure that is 18,000 mph.

Harry K- Hide quoted text -

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Seven miles a second. Escape velocity.

Would be nice. If we could find a conservative Mormon, who had morals, and
would lead the country out of sin and despair. I'd like to see milk and
cookies for bedtime snack, someone who loved his wife, not loved money. And
who would remind us that we're one nation under God, not a bunch of groups
who hate each other.

Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
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On Apr 15, 9:01*pm, Dan Espen wrote:
Harry K writes:
On Apr 15, 2:35*pm, Dan Espen wrote:
" writes:
On Sun, 15 Apr 2012 13:04:56 -0700 (PDT), Harry K
wrote:

On Apr 14, 5:02*am, "Stormin Mormon"
wrote:
Old guy holding his arms up, and the red sea parts? Then, closes back up and
drowns the enemy army?

With power like that, who needs a tactical mag shotgun?

Christopher A. Young

Or stopping the sun at which instant everyone and everything departed
eastard at sumenthing like 18,000 mph. *

Um, the equator is something like 24,000 miles long. *There are 24hrs in a
day, so your estimate is a "little" high. *Still going to leave rubber,
though.

My first thought. *Of course if you are not at the equator you're not
going the full 1000 MPH. *But the OP said "stopping the Sun".

Someone's got a bad case of geocentrism or is just not scientifically knowledgeable.

Working out what would happen on the Earth if the Sun stopped orbiting
the galaxy at 220 KM/S (1/2 million MPH) would be complicated.
Main thing is we would leave solar orbit and it would either get really hot or
really cold. *And eastward makes no sense at all.

--
Dan Espen

Eastward because the planet rotates West to East. *Stop the sun
implies stopping the earth's rotation. *What direction do you think
things will go?

Stopping the sun relative to what?

Obeying the laws of physics, for the suns apparent motion
to stop in our sky,
the earth would have to slow it's rotation. *The sun can carry on as
usual.

--
Dan Espen

So you think the SUN rotates around the earth!!!???

Yes, you can play with frames of reference all you want but until you
stop the EARTHS rotation, you haven't accomplished your goal.

Harry K

Harry K writes:

On Apr 15, 9:01Â*pm, Dan Espen wrote:
Harry K writes:
On Apr 15, 2:35Â*pm, Dan Espen wrote:
" writes:
On Sun, 15 Apr 2012 13:04:56 -0700 (PDT), Harry K
wrote:

On Apr 14, 5:02Â*am, "Stormin Mormon"
wrote:
Old guy holding his arms up, and the red sea parts? Then, closes back up and
drowns the enemy army?

With power like that, who needs a tactical mag shotgun?

Christopher A. Young

Or stopping the sun at which instant everyone and everything departed
eastard at sumenthing like 18,000 mph. Â*

Um, the equator is something like 24,000 miles long. Â*There are 24hrs in a
day, so your estimate is a "little" high. Â*Still going to leave rubber,
though.

My first thought. Â*Of course if you are not at the equator you're not
going the full 1000 MPH. Â*But the OP said "stopping the Sun".

Someone's got a bad case of geocentrism or is just not scientifically knowledgeable.

Working out what would happen on the Earth if the Sun stopped orbiting
the galaxy at 220 KM/S (1/2 million MPH) would be complicated.
Main thing is we would leave solar orbit and it would either get really hot or
really cold. Â*And eastward makes no sense at all.

--
Dan Espen

Eastward because the planet rotates West to East. Â*Stop the sun
implies stopping the earth's rotation. Â*What direction do you think
things will go?

Stopping the sun relative to what?

Obeying the laws of physics, for the suns apparent motion
to stop in our sky,
the earth would have to slow it's rotation. Â*The sun can carry on as
usual.

So you think the SUN rotates around the earth!!!???

So where did I say that?

Yes, you can play with frames of reference all you want but until you
stop the EARTHS rotation, you haven't accomplished your goal.

I don't have a goal and I know that.
I'm commenting on:

Or stopping the sun at which instant everyone and everything departed
eastard at sumenthing like 18,000 mph. Â*

Which mixes up "stopping the sun" with stopping the earth's rotation.

There are many frames of reference but I'm simply using the only
logical one. If you stop the sun, the major influence on the sun's
movement is relative to the center of the galaxy. So stopping the sun
changes the sun's orbital velocity from 1/2 million MPH to zero.

Now, where did your 18,000 MPH come from?

The velocity of the earth's rotation at the equator is 1000 MPH.

And, not to nit pick, but if you want to stop the sun's apparent
motion in the sky, you don't "stop the earth's rotation".

If you stop the earths rotation, the sun still
moves in the sky. It moves pretty slowly, but every year the
sun will complete one apparent circuit around the earth..

So to stop the sun in the sky, you need to slow the rotation of
the earth to one rotation every year so that the same side of
the earth faces the sun all the time.

--
Dan Espen

On Sat, 14 Apr 2012 17:21:42 -0400, "Stormin Mormon"
wrote:

You sound like a fountain of hate.

Christopher A. Young
Learn more about *SATAN*
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Why dont you take your moron mormon cult buddies and move to Afganistan
or Iraq. Your people are nothing but terrorists sucking benefits from
America, paid for by normal people who have jobs, and contribute
something to society. You mormons offer nothing to society. You're all
deranged mentally disturbed psychopaths, who want to ruin the lives of
others with your cult brainwashing. Then you produce suicide killers
who fly planes into buildings and do other terrorist activities. To put
it bluntly, GET THE HELL OUT OF THE UNITED STATES! America dont need or
want your type living in this country. You hide behind the name of
Jesus, when in fact you are worshippers of Satan himself.

By the way, why dont you learn how to post a newsgroup message, you
stupid ****er. Better yet, THERE'S THE DOOR, DONT LET IT SLAM YOU IN THE
ASS WHEN YOU LEAVE! Since you cant take a hint, let me put it
bluntly..... Nobody wants your stupid ass posting to alt.home.repair or
any other newsgroup. You have absolutely nothing to offer. LEAVE NOW!
Dont come back!!!
GOODBYE.

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* Become a WORLD TERRORIST *
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