I just changed from a pay news server to a free aioe.org. I am limited to
25 a day, and that's fine, as I've been trying to cut down on that, as well
as a few other things.

However, I have been receiving error messages, and messages that go to my
outbox, and are not sent directly.

Should I be considering another FREE (!) (keyword free) way of accessing
usenet?

Steve

Steve B wrote:

I just changed from a pay news server to a free aioe.org.

However, I have been receiving error messages,

You should post the error messages. The most basic issues I can see
happening is:

1) posting to more than 3 groups (can't do it - 3 is the limit)
2) posting to a combination of 2 or 3 groups where one of the groups is
moderated
3) posting to 2 or 3 groups where one of the hierarchies doesn't allow
for cross-posting to a different hierarchy
4) trying to post any sort of file attachment (even maybe a .sig)
5) your computer's time or date (or time-zone) could be (way) off.
6) your usenet client could be trying to login into the server
(not needed - turn that off)

and messages that go to my outbox, and are not sent directly.

I take it that they're just sitting in your outbox?

Make sure your port settings are port 119, no authentication / no
encryption.

Should I be considering another FREE (!) (keyword free) way
of accessing usenet?

I've been using AIOE for 5 years. It's a solid server and my
10-year-old usenet client (Netscape communicator 4.78) has no problems
with it.

The post that you made (that I'm responding to) seemed to work ok... ?

On 4/10/2012 7:04 PM, Steve B wrote:
I just changed from a pay news server to a free aioe.org. I am limited to
25 a day, and that's fine, as I've been trying to cut down on that, as well
as a few other things.

However, I have been receiving error messages, and messages that go to my
outbox, and are not sent directly.

Should I be considering another FREE (!) (keyword free) way of accessing
usenet?

Steve



eternal-september:

http://www.eternal-september.org/

You need to get a user name and password but it is not as restrictive.

I only use aieo when e-s gets quirky.

"Home Guy" wrote


You should post the error messages. The most basic issues I can see
happening is:

Mostly, it's posting too many posted lines.

Guess I need to observe the learning curve with this, and learn a little
better netiquette.

Anyone else up to the task?

Steve

On 4/10/2012 6:17 PM, Home Guy wrote:
Steve B wrote:
....

Should I be considering another FREE (!) (keyword free) way
of accessing usenet?

I've been using AIOE for 5 years. It's a solid server and my
10-year-old usenet client (Netscape communicator 4.78) has no problems
with it.

The post that you made (that I'm responding to) seemed to work ok... ?

What he said news.aioe.org

I've also an account at news.eternal-september.org; it's roughly
equivalent altho does require a login pw the out-of-pocket cost is the same.

--

Steve B wrote:
"Home Guy" wrote


You should post the error messages. The most basic issues I can see
happening is:

Mostly, it's posting too many posted lines.

Guess I need to observe the learning curve with this, and learn a
little better netiquette.


Yes. Home Guy advised you "should post the error messages" and you respond
with no error message text.

You assert "it's posting too many posted lines" and no one has any idea what
that means.

What IS the message you receive? What newsreader are you using?

Steve B wrote:

You should post the error messages.

Mostly, it's posting too many posted lines.

You mean quoted lines?

Guess I need to observe the learning curve with this, and learn a
little better netiquette.

I frequently point out when someone has been lazy and/or inconsiderate
by dragging the entire thread into their replies by full-quoting reams
of material - and then adding a trivial amount of new text at the end.

If the error really is "too many quoted lines" - then it's an error that
I didn't think about - because it's one that I never get...

"HeyBub" wrote in message
m...
Steve B wrote:
"Home Guy" wrote


You should post the error messages. The most basic issues I can see
happening is:

Mostly, it's posting too many posted lines.

Guess I need to observe the learning curve with this, and learn a
little better netiquette.


Yes. Home Guy advised you "should post the error messages" and you respond
with no error message text.

You assert "it's posting too many posted lines" and no one has any idea
what
that means.

What IS the message you receive? What newsreader are you using?

It reads very much like "too many lines posted" but I can't remember now.

I've had the same problem. AOIE just refuses to post messages and drops
some pretty cryptic error messages. As a former SW developer I know it's
frustrating when end users don't remember error messages verbatim or the
values in a screen hex dump (sarcasm alert!) but only the very well trained
ones do. (-:

--
Bobby G.

"Home Guy" wrote in message ...
Steve B wrote:

You should post the error messages.

Mostly, it's posting too many posted lines.

You mean quoted lines?

Guess I need to observe the learning curve with this, and learn a
little better netiquette.

I frequently point out when someone has been lazy and/or inconsiderate
by dragging the entire thread into their replies by full-quoting reams
of material - and then adding a trivial amount of new text at the end.

If the error really is "too many quoted lines" - then it's an error that
I didn't think about - because it's one that I never get...'

I get error messages from them, especially if I switch computers I post
from. I believe that since it's passwordless, it uses your IP address to
tell if it's you or not. I've gotten messages that say "Too many errors
from this IP address" that lead me to that conclusion. I'm searching my
logs for the exact phrasing but it may not have been recorded. So far no
joy. I'll try responding to a really old thread as a test.

I also get bizarre messages about "too many lines" posted on fairly short
messages that are over a few weeks old - the ones Trader likes so much.
(-:

--
Bobby G.

"HeyBub" wrote in message
m...
Steve B wrote:
"Home Guy" wrote


You should post the error messages. The most basic issues I can see
happening is:

Mostly, it's posting too many posted lines.

Guess I need to observe the learning curve with this, and learn a
little better netiquette.


Yes. Home Guy advised you "should post the error messages" and you respond
with no error message text.

You assert "it's posting too many posted lines" and no one has any idea
what that means.

What IS the message you receive? What newsreader are you using?

Un, uh, I am using OE, and aioe.org. I shall attempt to cut and paste the
error message, or if that is not possible, to type it from one window to the
other, just for your satisfaction.

Steve

Go **** yourself


"Home Guy" wrote in message ...
Steve B wrote:

You should post the error messages.

Mostly, it's posting too many posted lines.

You mean quoted lines?

Guess I need to observe the learning curve with this, and learn a
little better netiquette.

I frequently point out when someone has been lazy and/or inconsiderate
by dragging the entire thread into their replies by full-quoting reams
of material - and then adding a trivial amount of new text at the end.

If the error really is "too many quoted lines" - then it's an error that
I didn't think about - because it's one that I never get...

Steve B used improper usenet message composition style by full-quoting
AND top-poasting:

Go **** yourself

Real classy there Steve.

"Steve B" wrote in message
...

stuff snipped

If I only had the technical skill to understand it. Basically, when I
signed up, I figured that I would have to limit posting, and snip
significantly. Things went fine. For a while. Then, I guess, I started
reverting to old ways.

A lot of it is super-techie gobbledegook. The important parts a

Each IP address is authorized to post 25 messages per day and the posting
rights are suspended for 24 hours if more than three messages are rejected
in a day.

That means if you go over limit and keep hitting "send and receive" more
than three times (who doesn't when they see the message hasn't left the
outbox?) you get suspended for a day.

Each post must be sent to less than three groups (crosspost) and each one
can include at most three followup groups.

If you reply to a message that lists three groups or more (some of AHR's
post list 5 or more) you get an error message. Try three times and you get
a 24 hour time out.

Maximum allowed size is 32 KB per article and 2 KB per header. Only two
concurrent connections per IP address are allowed and 400 connections per
day are accepted from each IP address.

Check your messages too many times or log on from too many computers and you
guessed it: you're suspended for 24 hours.

It's probably important to note that they're not being mean or cheap. They
are trying to control the idiots that use Newservers like AIOE to spam
Usenet. I don't know if they still use "banlists" but AIOE has cut off
access to entire groups that "don't behave." I think we're trying hard to
get on that banlist.

I can learn new things, and usenet has become much less of a force in my
life now, and I am much busier with real life things. So, maybe I just
need
to reread the rules, and adjust accordingly.

Given that the entire newsgroup seems to have started burning like Rome
under Nero, maybe it's good to keep one foot in the real world in the
springtime and avoid the flames. Guys are butting heads to show off to the
females. I think that's Jennifer and Norminn. (-: Hey you two, find any
potential mates?

Thank you for your insight.

You're welcome.

--
Bobby G.

On 4/10/2012 6:22 PM, Steve B wrote:
"Home wrote


You should post the error messages. The most basic issues I can see
happening is:

Mostly, it's posting too many posted lines.

You get that when you make a brief comment in response to a lengthy
message and incorporate the full original message in your reply. When
you do that, the majority of your message body consists of text that
has been posted once (or more) already by the previous poster(s), with
only a little new content at the end. That is poor Usenet etiquette
and thus violates Aioe's posting rules.

If you are going to make a brief comment to a lengthy message, trim
that message down to the relevant paragraph(s) in your reply. If you
don't, you will get the "too many lines" error message when you
attempt to post your reply.

"Hell Toupee" wrote

If you are going to make a brief comment to a lengthy message, trim that
message down to the relevant paragraph(s) in your reply. If you don't, you
will get the "too many lines" error message when you attempt to post your
reply.

AW yoo tawkin' tuh me?

There are many here far more guilty than I.

--
Steve

On 4/11/2012 9:10 AM, Steve B wrote:
"Hell wrote

If you are going to make a brief comment to a lengthy message, trim that
message down to the relevant paragraph(s) in your reply. If you don't, you
will get the "too many lines" error message when you attempt to post your
reply.

AW yoo tawkin' tuh me?

There are many here far more guilty than I.

But if they're not on Aioe, it's not going to be a problem for them.
It's Aioe that objects to it and will flag you if you do it. I'm on
Aioe and have been flagged for that several times. No big deal, I just
delete more of the quoted text and hit send again. When it meets
Aioe's criteria, it posts.

"Hell Toupee" wrote

But if they're not on Aioe, it's not going to be a problem for them. It's
Aioe that objects to it and will flag you if you do it. I'm on Aioe and
have been flagged for that several times. No big deal, I just delete more
of the quoted text and hit send again. When it meets Aioe's criteria, it
posts.

Kinda figured that, and the 25 posts a day makes me think of what I want to
get involved in, and what I don't. I am getting very busy now with some
projects, and I really am not spending a lot of time in NGs. On the
Internet, yes, just not in NG's.

Steve

Hell Toupee wrote:

Mostly, it's posting too many posted lines.

You get that when you make a brief comment in response to a lengthy
message and incorporate the full original message in your reply.
When you do that, the majority of your message body consists of
text that has been posted once (or more) already by the previous
poster(s), with only a little new content at the end.
That is poor Usenet etiquette and thus violates Aioe's posting
rules.

While that is all true (and especially that if you're going to quote
ANYTHING from a previous post in your reply - that you should quote only
what you are specifically replying to); the AIOE server doesn't have any
awareness of the amount of previously-posted text that you're including
in your reply.

What AIOE is looking at is the number of lines in your post that begins
with the quoting-character - which universally is greater-than
character.

I believe that if the ratio of lines with vs without the character is
above some threshold, then your post is rejected.

If you are going to make a brief comment to a lengthy message, trim
that message down to the relevant paragraph(s) in your reply. If you
don't, you will get the "too many lines" error message when you
attempt to post your reply.

It may be "too many lines" or (I would think) "too many quoted lines".

And yes - replying to a post that was originally made to more than 3
newsgroups will result in an error. In that case, you must decide which
group(s) to remove from the distribution to bring the number down to 3
before you hit the Send button.

Steve B wrote:

Kinda figured that, and the 25 posts a day makes me think of what I
want to get involved in, and what I don't.

I had a quick look at all my sent posts and I seem to make between 5 and
15 posts a day (that includes posts I make to other groups besides this
one).

The odd day I see 20 posts.

If you think that's going to be a problem, it's rather trivial to open
up a browser window to your modem or router's administrative page and
tell the device to disconnect and reconnect your internet connection.
That will usually give you a different IP address than the one you just
had, and you can resume posting to AIOE (up to the 25-post limit) again.

AIOE does not count the number of posts based on your posting-identity -
but on your IP address.