Hi All,

One of my toilets is a Kohler "flush and plunge" -- one of
the their first attempts at low flow toilets. I hate the
thing. (My other is also a new Kohler and it is the 8th
wonder of the world: they got it right this time. Talk
about a hard sell!)

The Flush and Plunge finally got a paper clog that will
not plunge or auger. I want to have a plumber come
in and clear the clog and replace the hated toilet all at
the same time. Recession and all, this won't occur for a
month or two.

Question: it takes about three days to drain its water.
While I wait, do I add water back or just leave the thing.

-T

On 4/8/2012 13:46, Todd wrote:

... I want to have a plumber come
in and clear the clog and replace the hated toilet all at
the same time. Recession and all, this won't occur for a
month or two.

Question: it takes about three days to drain its water.
While I wait, do I add water back or just leave the thing.

Keep some water in it to prevent sewer gas from escaping.

I wonder if this would help?
http://www.harborfreight.com/medium-...der-99942.html

Yes, leave water in the trap. The trap is needed to keep sewer gasses where
they belong.

Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
..

"Todd" wrote in message
...
Hi All,

One of my toilets is a Kohler "flush and plunge" -- one of
the their first attempts at low flow toilets. I hate the
thing. (My other is also a new Kohler and it is the 8th
wonder of the world: they got it right this time. Talk
about a hard sell!)

The Flush and Plunge finally got a paper clog that will
not plunge or auger. I want to have a plumber come
in and clear the clog and replace the hated toilet all at
the same time. Recession and all, this won't occur for a
month or two.

Question: it takes about three days to drain its water.
While I wait, do I add water back or just leave the thing.

-T

On 04/08/2012 02:47 PM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
I wonder if this would help?
http://www.harborfreight.com/medium-...der-99942.html

How does it work?

Well, I've never used one, myself. But here is what I understand. You screw
a garden hose onto the brass end. Stuff the expanding bladder into the
drain. Turn the water on. The other end of the thing has a spray orifice.
The water builds up in the bladder, swells, and closes the drain. The water
keeps spraying out front of the bladder, and washes (or pushes) the clog
down the drain.

My guess is that works for the first few tries. Then, the bladder get
smooth. What happens then, is the bladder slides out of the pipe, whips
around like it has a life of its own, and sprays everything in the room.

Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
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..

"Todd" wrote in message
...
On 04/08/2012 02:47 PM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
I wonder if this would help?
http://www.harborfreight.com/medium-...der-99942.html

How does it work?

"Todd" wrote in message
...
On 04/08/2012 02:47 PM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
I wonder if this would help?

http://www.harborfreight.com/medium-...der-99942.html

How does it work?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GY4K0cyj7Fc

It attaches to a garden hose and uses water pressure to push clogs through.

--
Bobby G.

Here is a boring youtube, that doesn't answer your question.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GY4K0cyj7Fc

Somewhat descriptive.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rBjArQUQPEQ


Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
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"Todd" wrote in message
...
On 04/08/2012 02:47 PM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
I wonder if this would help?
http://www.harborfreight.com/medium-...der-99942.html

How does it work?

On Apr 8, 6:22*pm, "Stormin Mormon"
wrote:

My guess is that works for the first few tries. Then, the bladder get
smooth. What happens then, is the bladder slides out of the pipe, whips
around like it has a life of its own, and sprays everything in the room.

I've used these for clearing kitchen pipes, where I can unhook the
pipe from the sink. They work very well and I've never had one slip
(40 psi or so makes for a pretty good seal).

I would be nervous about trying to use one on a toilet, in place. If
the clog is actually in the pipe I could see blowing out the wax ring
and making a real mess...

Helpful tip that I stole: Installing an inline valve on the end if one
of these makes life much easier and safer.

On 04/08/2012 03:22 PM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
What happens then, is the bladder slides out of the pipe, whips
around like it has a life of its own, and sprays everything in the room.

And start looking for a new wife! :'(

Todd wrote:
Hi All,

One of my toilets is a Kohler "flush and plunge" -- one of
the their first attempts at low flow toilets. I hate the
thing. (My other is also a new Kohler and it is the 8th
wonder of the world: they got it right this time. Talk
about a hard sell!)

The Flush and Plunge finally got a paper clog that will
not plunge or auger. I want to have a plumber come
in and clear the clog and replace the hated toilet all at
the same time. Recession and all, this won't occur for a
month or two.

Question: it takes about three days to drain its water.
While I wait, do I add water back or just leave the thing.


If you live in a largish city, check Craigslist for a used toilet.

In my town, they go from free to about twenty-five dollars or so.

Replacing a toilet is not rocket surgery. It will cost maybe ten bucks in
parts. There are several YouTube videos covering the process.

If you need any guidance, check back here as often as necessary.

Good luck.

Wow! How many wives can I have at the same time?

(I know, I know. Not what you meant.)

Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
..

"Todd" wrote in message
...
On 04/08/2012 03:22 PM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
What happens then, is the bladder slides out of the pipe, whips
around like it has a life of its own, and sprays everything in the room.

And start looking for a new wife! :'(

"Todd" wrote in message
...
On 04/08/2012 03:22 PM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
What happens then, is the bladder slides out of the pipe, whips
around like it has a life of its own, and sprays everything in the room.

And start looking for a new wife! :'(

Who did you marry? The Wicked Witch of the West? g (Why, if you melt
when hit with a bucket of water, would the WWotW keep buckets of the stuff
around her castle in the Wizard of Oz?)

My wife is mostly waterproof. Mostly.

--
Bobby G.

:
Wow! How many wives can I have at the same time?

(I know, I know. Not what you meant.)


most men cant afford one let alone more

bob haller wrote:
Wow! How many wives can I have at the same time?

(I know, I know. Not what you meant.)


most men cant afford one let alone more

it has beeb rumored that Osama Bin Laden was living with 3 wives in one
compound, and never left the house for 5 years.
It is now believed that he called the US Navy Seals himself.

Todd wrote:
Hi All,

One of my toilets is a Kohler "flush and plunge" -- one of
the their first attempts at low flow toilets. I hate the
thing. (My other is also a new Kohler and it is the 8th
wonder of the world: they got it right this time. Talk
about a hard sell!)

The Flush and Plunge finally got a paper clog that will
not plunge or auger. I want to have a plumber come
in and clear the clog and replace the hated toilet all at
the same time. Recession and all, this won't occur for a
month or two.

Question: it takes about three days to drain its water.
While I wait, do I add water back or just leave the thing.


Thinking on your problem, are you sure the whole situation is the fault of
the toilet? Or do you have some blockage (roots, etc.) downstream.

If "whatever" can get past the toilet, it should make it down the pipes -
the pipes are larger diameter than the toilet.

In other words, before you spend $300+ to have the toilet replaced, make
sure your pipes are okay. The ultimate way to do this is to have a camera
inspection.

It may turn out that the sewer pipe is broken or infested with roots.
Admittedly, I can't see how that would not affect your other drains, but it
could be the problem is not the toilet's fault.

I've got strains of Oliver, echoing through my mind.
http://www.iamfan.com/~oliver_soundt...ion-193964.htm
Better settle down, and get meself a wife.

Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
..

"bob haller" wrote in message
...
:
Wow! How many wives can I have at the same time?

(I know, I know. Not what you meant.)


most men cant afford one let alone more

In today's world, that's totally possible. Avoid toilet sellers who wear
hoodies?

Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
..

"Earl" wrote in message
b.com...

If you live in a largish city, check Craigslist for a used toilet.

In my town, they go from free to about twenty-five dollars or so.




....and the craig's list toilet killer will come after you!

Stormin Mormon wrote:
In today's world, that's totally possible. Avoid toilet sellers who
wear hoodies?

Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org

I saw a teen next door wearing a hoodie yesterday. He look really suspicious.
Wandering around the yard looking under bushes, and anything that could be
moved. I thought about shooting him, but then decided nobody would really miss
those colored eggs he and the rest of those kids were stealing.

On 04/09/2012 04:37 AM, HeyBub wrote:
Todd wrote:
Hi All,

One of my toilets is a Kohler "flush and plunge" -- one of
the their first attempts at low flow toilets. I hate the
thing. (My other is also a new Kohler and it is the 8th
wonder of the world: they got it right this time. Talk
about a hard sell!)

The Flush and Plunge finally got a paper clog that will
not plunge or auger. I want to have a plumber come
in and clear the clog and replace the hated toilet all at
the same time. Recession and all, this won't occur for a
month or two.

Question: it takes about three days to drain its water.
While I wait, do I add water back or just leave the thing.


Thinking on your problem, are you sure the whole situation is the fault of
the toilet? Or do you have some blockage (roots, etc.) downstream.

If "whatever" can get past the toilet, it should make it down the pipes -
the pipes are larger diameter than the toilet.

In other words, before you spend $300+ to have the toilet replaced, make
sure your pipes are okay. The ultimate way to do this is to have a camera
inspection.

It may turn out that the sewer pipe is broken or infested with roots.
Admittedly, I can't see how that would not affect your other drains, but it
could be the problem is not the toilet's fault.



The sink and the tub, which share the pipe with the toilet (toilet
is in the middle of the two) run freely

Todd wrote:
On 04/09/2012 04:37 AM, HeyBub wrote:
Todd wrote:
Hi All,

One of my toilets is a Kohler "flush and plunge" -- one of
the their first attempts at low flow toilets. I hate the
thing. (My other is also a new Kohler and it is the 8th
wonder of the world: they got it right this time. Talk
about a hard sell!)

The Flush and Plunge finally got a paper clog that will
not plunge or auger. I want to have a plumber come
in and clear the clog and replace the hated toilet all at
the same time. Recession and all, this won't occur for a
month or two.

Question: it takes about three days to drain its water.
While I wait, do I add water back or just leave the thing.


Thinking on your problem, are you sure the whole situation is the
fault of the toilet? Or do you have some blockage (roots, etc.)
downstream. If "whatever" can get past the toilet, it should make it down
the
pipes - the pipes are larger diameter than the toilet.

In other words, before you spend $300+ to have the toilet replaced,
make sure your pipes are okay. The ultimate way to do this is to
have a camera inspection.

It may turn out that the sewer pipe is broken or infested with roots.
Admittedly, I can't see how that would not affect your other drains,
but it could be the problem is not the toilet's fault.



The sink and the tub, which share the pipe with the toilet (toilet
is in the middle of the two) run freely

Well, I'm stumped.

Please report back when you find the actual culprit.

As soon as you can.

I need my sleep.

On 04/09/2012 12:24 PM, HeyBub wrote:
Todd wrote:
On 04/09/2012 04:37 AM, HeyBub wrote:
Todd wrote:
Hi All,

One of my toilets is a Kohler "flush and plunge" -- one of
the their first attempts at low flow toilets. I hate the
thing. (My other is also a new Kohler and it is the 8th
wonder of the world: they got it right this time. Talk
about a hard sell!)

The Flush and Plunge finally got a paper clog that will
not plunge or auger. I want to have a plumber come
in and clear the clog and replace the hated toilet all at
the same time. Recession and all, this won't occur for a
month or two.

Question: it takes about three days to drain its water.
While I wait, do I add water back or just leave the thing.


Thinking on your problem, are you sure the whole situation is the
fault of the toilet? Or do you have some blockage (roots, etc.)
downstream. If "whatever" can get past the toilet, it should make it down
the
pipes - the pipes are larger diameter than the toilet.

In other words, before you spend $300+ to have the toilet replaced,
make sure your pipes are okay. The ultimate way to do this is to
have a camera inspection.

It may turn out that the sewer pipe is broken or infested with roots.
Admittedly, I can't see how that would not affect your other drains,
but it could be the problem is not the toilet's fault.



The sink and the tub, which share the pipe with the toilet (toilet
is in the middle of the two) run freely

Well, I'm stumped.

Please report back when you find the actual culprit.

As soon as you can.

I need my sleep.



It is the flush and plunge toilet from hell. I hate the
thing.

Call a priest! Have it excorcised.

Well, sounds like You are exercised. Best of luck, finding a toilet that
works.

Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
..

"Todd" wrote in message
...

Well, I'm stumped.

Please report back when you find the actual culprit.

As soon as you can.

I need my sleep.



It is the flush and plunge toilet from hell. I hate the
thing.

On 04/09/2012 03:55 PM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
Call a priest! Have it excorcised.

Well, sounds like You are exercised. Best of luck, finding a toilet that
works.

My other toilet is a current Kohler. I am going to replace the old
Kohler flush and plunge with the same model as my new Kohler. It
is the Eight wonder of the world. Its works very, very well.

On Mon, 9 Apr 2012 00:03:21 -0400, "Robert Green"
wrote:

"Todd" wrote in message
...
On 04/08/2012 03:22 PM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
What happens then, is the bladder slides out of the pipe, whips
around like it has a life of its own, and sprays everything in the room.

And start looking for a new wife! :'(

Who did you marry? The Wicked Witch of the West? g (Why, if you melt
when hit with a bucket of water, would the WWotW keep buckets of the stuff
around her castle in the Wizard of Oz?)

The ringtone on my cell phone for my wife is the Wicked Witch's Theme from
WoO. ;-)

My wife is mostly waterproof. Mostly.

We really don't need to hear about your sex life.

On Mon, 9 Apr 2012 07:55:48 -0700, "Bob F" wrote:

Stormin Mormon wrote:
In today's world, that's totally possible. Avoid toilet sellers who
wear hoodies?

Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org

I saw a teen next door wearing a hoodie yesterday. He look really suspicious.
Wandering around the yard looking under bushes, and anything that could be
moved. I thought about shooting him, but then decided nobody would really miss
those colored eggs he and the rest of those kids were stealing.

Colored eggs?

On 4/10/2012 9:17 PM, zzzzzzzzzz wrote:
On Mon, 9 Apr 2012 07:55:48 -0700, "Bob wrote:

Stormin Mormon wrote:
In today's world, that's totally possible. Avoid toilet sellers who
wear hoodies?

Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org

I saw a teen next door wearing a hoodie yesterday. He look really suspicious.
Wandering around the yard looking under bushes, and anything that could be
moved. I thought about shooting him, but then decided nobody would really miss
those colored eggs he and the rest of those kids were stealing.

Colored eggs?

When the eggs hatch, little Colored people climb out. ^_^

TDD

On Apr 27, 1:08*am, The Daring Dufas
wrote:
On 4/10/2012 9:17 PM, wrote:





On Mon, 9 Apr 2012 07:55:48 -0700, "Bob *wrote:

Stormin Mormon wrote:
In today's world, that's totally possible. Avoid toilet sellers who
wear hoodies?

Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
*www.lds.org

I saw a teen next door wearing a hoodie yesterday. He look really suspicious.
Wandering around the yard looking under bushes, and anything that could be
moved. I thought about shooting him, but then decided nobody would really miss
those colored eggs he and the rest of those kids were stealing.

Colored eggs?

When the eggs hatch, little Colored people climb out. ^_^

TDD

TWO MORE SOULS HAVE JUST BEEN ADDED TO THE GOING TO HELL LIST.

YOU'D THINK IN A WORLD SO WRETCHED AND INSENSITIVE AT TIMES THERE
WOULD BE MORE PER NIGHT, BUT TOMORROW IS FRIDAY AND IT ALWAYS GET BUSY
AT ACCOUNTS RECEIVABLE.
DON'T WORRY YOUR JOYFUL SPIRITS WILL BE RETURNED TO DESIGN &
ENGINEERING.

BOOWAHAHAHAHA !
PATECUM
TGITM

On Fri, 27 Apr 2012 00:08:54 -0500, The Daring Dufas
wrote:

On 4/10/2012 9:17 PM, zzzzzzzzzz wrote:
On Mon, 9 Apr 2012 07:55:48 -0700, "Bob wrote:

Stormin Mormon wrote:
In today's world, that's totally possible. Avoid toilet sellers who
wear hoodies?

Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org

I saw a teen next door wearing a hoodie yesterday. He look really suspicious.
Wandering around the yard looking under bushes, and anything that could be
moved. I thought about shooting him, but then decided nobody would really miss
those colored eggs he and the rest of those kids were stealing.

Colored eggs?

When the eggs hatch, little Colored people climb out. ^_^

Oh. OK...