I had to replace a lost Channel Lock slip groove pliers and went to Walmart
and picked up a model 430. I used them to take off some nylock nuts and it
nearly slipped out of joint. I took a look at them and noticed the nut and
bolt was replaced by a rivet! Took them back and went to Lowes and got a
Kobalt brand. MUCH better! Too bad Channel Lock went cheap.

Mike D.

Michael Dobony wrote:
I had to replace a lost Channel Lock slip groove pliers and went to Walmart
and picked up a model 430. I used them to take off some nylock nuts and it
nearly slipped out of joint. I took a look at them and noticed the nut and
bolt was replaced by a rivet! Took them back and went to Lowes and got a
Kobalt brand. MUCH better! Too bad Channel Lock went cheap.

Mike D.
Hi,
As long as we keep buying junk, they will keep making them,
I go to flea market, garage sale.etc. to pick up vintage real thing
for less than the price of new junk.

On Tue, 03 Jan 2012 19:04:03 -0700, Tony Hwang wrote:

Michael Dobony wrote:
I had to replace a lost Channel Lock slip groove pliers and went to Walmart
and picked up a model 430. I used them to take off some nylock nuts and it
nearly slipped out of joint. I took a look at them and noticed the nut and
bolt was replaced by a rivet! Took them back and went to Lowes and got a
Kobalt brand. MUCH better! Too bad Channel Lock went cheap.

Mike D.
Hi,
As long as we keep buying junk, they will keep making them,
I go to flea market, garage sale.etc. to pick up vintage real thing
for less than the price of new junk.

The Kobalt functions very well, but the handles seem a little shorter than
the Channel Locks. They do not slip and I do not see any reason to suspect
hard use to affect them, much like the old Channel Locks.

"Michael Dobony" wrote in message
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On Tue, 03 Jan 2012 19:04:03 -0700, Tony Hwang wrote:

Michael Dobony wrote:
I had to replace a lost Channel Lock slip groove pliers and went to
Walmart
and picked up a model 430. I used them to take off some nylock nuts and
it
nearly slipped out of joint. I took a look at them and noticed the nut
and
bolt was replaced by a rivet! Took them back and went to Lowes and got a
Kobalt brand. MUCH better! Too bad Channel Lock went cheap.

Mike D.
Hi,
As long as we keep buying junk, they will keep making them,
I go to flea market, garage sale.etc. to pick up vintage real thing
for less than the price of new junk.

The Kobalt functions very well, but the handles seem a little shorter than
the Channel Locks. They do not slip and I do not see any reason to suspect
hard use to affect them, much like the old Channel Locks.

A friend of mine brought over a set that are made in Germany. Red handles,
Knipex brand, I believe. They seemed to work very well for removing some
stuck motorcycle bolts, and were made well. I have no idea what they cost,
and I imagine he had "borrowed" them. They had the smooth parallel jaws,
not the serrated ones. When I saw the new Channel Locks, I thought it was a
take off on them, which it looks like. But I guess the performance isn't as
good.

Steve

On 2012-01-03, Michael Dobony wrote:
I had to replace a lost Channel Lock slip groove pliers and went to Walmart
and picked up a model 430. I used them to take off some nylock nuts and it
nearly slipped out of joint. I took a look at them and noticed the nut and
bolt was replaced by a rivet! Took them back and went to Lowes and got a
Kobalt brand. MUCH better! Too bad Channel Lock went cheap.

You say they went cheap. They say:

"PermaLock® fastener eliminates nut and bolt failure"

Now, I'm not sure what a Permalock is, but I don't see you claiming
they didn't work or they somehow failed. There's a ****load of
structures being held together by rivets in this country, like the
Empire State Bldg and the Golden Gate Bridge, and I don't hear anyone
complaining about them "going cheap". How do we know the "nearly
slipped" issue is not operator error? According to wiki, CLs are
still made in the US. A more cost effective production method doesn't
necessarily mean cheap. "Too bad" you can't come up with something
more substantial than mere opinion.

nb

--
vi --the root of evil

On 1/4/2012 10:50 AM, Michael Dobony wrote:
On Tue, 03 Jan 2012 19:04:03 -0700, Tony Hwang wrote:

Michael Dobony wrote:
I had to replace a lost Channel Lock slip groove pliers and went to Walmart
and picked up a model 430. I used them to take off some nylock nuts and it
nearly slipped out of joint. I took a look at them and noticed the nut and
bolt was replaced by a rivet! Took them back and went to Lowes and got a
Kobalt brand. MUCH better! Too bad Channel Lock went cheap.

Mike D.
Hi,
As long as we keep buying junk, they will keep making them,
I go to flea market, garage sale.etc. to pick up vintage real thing
for less than the price of new junk.

The Kobalt functions very well, but the handles seem a little shorter than
the Channel Locks. They do not slip and I do not see any reason to suspect
hard use to affect them, much like the old Channel Locks.

The problem with Kobalt pliers in general is they are too bulky, and yes
short handles also so you can't get as much leverage. Less leverage so
you don't break them and get a new pair for free.

Tony Miklos wrote:

short handles also so you can't get as much leverage. Less leverage so
you don't break them and get a new pair for free.

That's what cheater pipes are for.

--
Tony Sivori
Due to spam, I'm filtering all Google Groups posters.

On Jan 4, 11:53*am, notbob wrote:
On 2012-01-03, Michael Dobony wrote:

I had to replace a lost Channel Lock slip groove pliers and went to Walmart
and picked up a model 430. I used them to take off some nylock nuts and it
nearly slipped out of joint. I took a look at them and noticed the nut and
bolt was replaced by a rivet! Took them back and went to Lowes and got a
Kobalt brand. MUCH better! Too bad Channel Lock went cheap.

You say they went cheap. *They say:

"PermaLock fastener eliminates nut and bolt failure"

Now, I'm not sure what a Permalock is, but I don't see you claiming
they didn't work or they somehow failed. *There's a ****load of
structures being held together by rivets in this country, like the
Empire State Bldg and the Golden Gate Bridge, and I don't hear anyone
complaining about them "going cheap". *How do we know the "nearly
slipped" issue is not operator error? *According to wiki, CLs are
still made in the US. *A more cost effective production method doesn't
necessarily mean cheap. *"Too bad" you can't come up with something
more substantial than mere opinion.

Well, he said "nearly slipped out of joint" which based on my mental
image of a pair of slip joint pliers implies to me that the rivet
either stretched or partially failed because the tongue was riding up
on the groove such that it was close to jumping over to the next
groove, which would count as a failure. My old school Channellocks
only have 1/16" or less of play in that joint and the tongue is
significantly taller than that. So in my book that counts as a
failure. hopefully the hole is such a size that the rivet can be
drilled out and replaced with a machine screw and Nyloc.

"Tony Sivori" wrote in message
news
Tony Miklos wrote:

short handles also so you can't get as much leverage. Less leverage so
you don't break them and get a new pair for free.

That's what cheater pipes are for.

--
Tony Sivori

OR, you could use the right sized pliers. Maybe a pipe wrench? OR any
other tool for the proper application. Sometimes that works.

Steve