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I bought a Wacker concrete saw for $50. The seller honestly disclosed
that it ran fine, but now it "would not start", which is true -- it does not start. How do I fix this thing, is that a carb issue? i |
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On Oct 24, 8:54*pm, Ignoramus8808
wrote: I bought a Wacker concrete saw for $50. The seller honestly disclosed that it ran fine, but now it "would not start", which is true -- it does not start. How do I fix this thing, is that a carb issue? i "Won't start" has multiple causes. First thing to do is to figure out why it won't start. A good starting point is to squirt a bit of gas into the intake and she if it tries to start. If it does try, then you clean the carb. If it doesn't try to start then check to see if you have spark. That covers 99% of the no start problems on portable gas engines. For specifics there is a Canuk on U-tube that does a really nice job with a bunch of videos you can watch. see: http://www.youtube.com/user/donyboy7...ure=grec_index What kind of motor does it have? Roger Shoaf |
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Ignoramus8808 wrote:
I bought a Wacker concrete saw for $50. The seller honestly disclosed that it ran fine, but now it "would not start", which is true -- it does not start. How do I fix this thing, is that a carb issue? Model number? Spark, fuel, air. Pull the sparkplug, lay it on top of the head with the wire attached and confirm you have a nice fat blue arc when you pull the starter cable. If you don't get your spark, you can have a look at the magneto or whatever ignition system it has. Ignition is a very popular failure mechanism in small engines. If you do get a nice fat blue spark, look at the plug. Is the tip black and wet with gas or dry and light tan in color? If it is just gas fouled, you could yank the cord a few times and dry out the cylinder via the sparkplug hole. Dry the plug, clean and gap. Try again. Is the air filter clean? If you get a spark and the plug looks OK, consider shooting a little gas into the carb. If it starts, you may have a plugged jet. A carb rebuild is probably in order. --Winston |
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On Mon, 24 Oct 2011 22:50:16 -0700, Winston wrote:
Ignoramus8808 wrote: I bought a Wacker concrete saw for $50. The seller honestly disclosed that it ran fine, but now it "would not start", which is true -- it does not start. How do I fix this thing, is that a carb issue? Model number? Spark, fuel, air. Pull the sparkplug, lay it on top of the head with the wire attached and confirm you have a nice fat blue arc when you pull the starter cable. If you don't get your spark, you can have a look at the magneto or whatever ignition system it has. Ignition is a very popular failure mechanism in small engines. If you do get a nice fat blue spark, look at the plug. Is the tip black and wet with gas or dry and light tan in color? If it is just gas fouled, you could yank the cord a few times and dry out the cylinder via the sparkplug hole. Dry the plug, clean and gap. Try again. Is the air filter clean? If you get a spark and the plug looks OK, consider shooting a little gas into the carb. If it starts, you may have a plugged jet. A carb rebuild is probably in order. Spark, fuel, air, compression, Everything that Winston said, but if you get to the end of the "check this" list and things still aren't working make sure that it draws air in the intake during the intake stroke, that it exhausts air on the exhaust stroke, and that it has compression. In other words, make sure that there's still rings, and that a valve isn't stuck open. I used to own a lawn mower that ran great, except that if you left it not running for over a few weeks you had to whack the head with a 2x4 a few times and try extra hard to get it to start. I'm pretty sure it was a stuck valve (and a really lazy owner, to not fix same). -- Tim Wescott Control system and signal processing consulting www.wescottdesign.com |
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Much the same, here. I had a lawn mower that was hard to
start. The flywheel nut was exposed. So, I made a rig and used electric drill. Drill had a sawed off socket extension, and a deep socket. I spun the engine to start, and then pulled the drill off, after it started. Did that for years. My generator probably needs a new diaphragm for the carb. Have to start it on ether vapors ten times or so, before the carb starts to feed fuel. Then, it runs fine. Only use the generator every several years. I have a spraycan of ether in the box with the generator. And a quart of oil. -- Christopher A. Young Learn more about Jesus www.lds.org .. "Tim" wrote in message ... I used to own a lawn mower that ran great, except that if you left it not running for over a few weeks you had to whack the head with a 2x4 a few times and try extra hard to get it to start. I'm pretty sure it was a stuck valve (and a really lazy owner, to not fix same). -- Tim Wescott Control system and signal processing consulting www.wescottdesign.com |
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Winston wrote: Ignoramus8808 wrote: I bought a Wacker concrete saw for $50. The seller honestly disclosed that it ran fine, but now it "would not start", which is true -- it does not start. How do I fix this thing, is that a carb issue? Model number? Spark, fuel, air. Pull the sparkplug, lay it on top of the head with the wire attached and confirm you have a nice fat blue arc when you pull the starter cable. If you don't get your spark, you can have a look at the magneto or whatever ignition system it has. Ignition is a very popular failure mechanism in small engines. If you do get a nice fat blue spark, look at the plug. Is the tip black and wet with gas or dry and light tan in color? If it is just gas fouled, you could yank the cord a few times and dry out the cylinder via the sparkplug hole. Dry the plug, clean and gap. Try again. Is the air filter clean? If you get a spark and the plug looks OK, consider shooting a little gas into the carb. If it starts, you may have a plugged jet. A carb rebuild is probably in order. --Winston Presuming it's a gas engine a gummed up carb would be my first suspect. Check for spark and compression first, but after that it's likely time to teardown the carb and run it through the ultrasonic cleaner. |
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On Oct 24, 11:54*pm, Ignoramus8808
wrote: I bought a Wacker concrete saw for $50. The seller honestly disclosed that it ran fine, but now it "would not start", which is true -- it does not start. How do I fix this thing, is that a carb issue? i It seems everyone is going with cleaning the carb, which may or may not be true. Your question is vague. Is it a 2 stroke or 4 stroke? You are receiving answers for both which may not be correct. Before you try anything that has been posted here, give more info or you could be making the problem worse. It could also be as simple as being flooded. Hank |
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On Oct 25, 6:33*am, Hank wrote:
On Oct 24, 11:54*pm, Ignoramus8808 wrote: I bought a Wacker concrete saw for $50. The seller honestly disclosed that it ran fine, but now it "would not start", which is true -- it does not start. How do I fix this thing, is that a carb issue? i It seems everyone is going with cleaning the carb, which may or may not be true. * In my experience, the vast majority of the time it is the carb because many of these home gas power tools are used once in a blue moon, put away with gas in them and it winds up gumming up the carb. Or the fuels today with alcohol attract water which then rusts up the needle valves, etc. I'm wrestling with that exact problem now with a Stihl chainsaw. If i used it every couple months, it would start fine. But I agree, he should not rule out other causes. I would have asked the seller if A - Iit was running OK and then the same day it would no longer start or quit while running or B - It was put away for two years and then would not start. B - points to high probability of carb problem, A to something else. Your question is vague. Is it a 2 stroke or 4 stroke? You are receiving answers for both which may not be correct. Before you try anything that has been posted here, give more info or you could be making the problem worse. It could also be as simple as being flooded. Hank |
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On Oct 25, 12:01*pm, "
wrote: On Oct 25, 6:33*am, Hank wrote: On Oct 24, 11:54*pm, Ignoramus8808 wrote: I bought a Wacker concrete saw for $50. The seller honestly disclosed that it ran fine, but now it "would not start", which is true -- it does not start. How do I fix this thing, is that a carb issue? i It seems everyone is going with cleaning the carb, which may or may not be true. * In my experience, the vast majority of the time it is the carb because many of these home gas power tools are used once in a blue moon, put away with gas in them and it winds up gumming up the carb. *Or the fuels today with alcohol attract water which then rusts up the needle valves, etc. * I'm wrestling with that exact problem now with a Stihl chainsaw. * If i used it every couple months, it would start fine. But I agree, he should not rule out other causes. *I would have asked the seller if The major problem is that he bought a non-running saw. He has no idea what is wrong with it. Now, the question is...... is it worth fixing. :-) If he likes to tinker, he can learn alot. But he better find out more info before beginning. Hank |
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Tim wrote:
On Mon, 24 Oct 2011 22:50:16 -0700, Winston wrote: Ignoramus8808 wrote: I bought a Wacker concrete saw for $50. The seller honestly disclosed that it ran fine, but now it "would not start", which is true -- it does not start. How do I fix this thing, is that a carb issue? Model number? Spark, fuel, air. Pull the sparkplug, lay it on top of the head with the wire attached and confirm you have a nice fat blue arc when you pull the starter cable. If you don't get your spark, you can have a look at the magneto or whatever ignition system it has. Ignition is a very popular failure mechanism in small engines. If you do get a nice fat blue spark, look at the plug. Is the tip black and wet with gas or dry and light tan in color? If it is just gas fouled, you could yank the cord a few times and dry out the cylinder via the sparkplug hole. Dry the plug, clean and gap. Try again. Is the air filter clean? If you get a spark and the plug looks OK, consider shooting a little gas into the carb. If it starts, you may have a plugged jet. A carb rebuild is probably in order. Spark, fuel, air, compression, Yes. That too. Beware that a compression test on a small 4 cycle motor may read 'low' and yet be perfectly within specification. The cam on some has a 'compression release' feature to ease starting. http://pkjones.hubpages.com/hub/Hard...tratton-engine --Winston |
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Compression release is a very serious concern. However, the
release doesn't work when the mower blade is turned backwards. Disconnect and tie back the spark plug wire. -- Christopher A. Young Learn more about Jesus www.lds.org .. "Winston" wrote in message ... Beware that a compression test on a small 4 cycle motor may read 'low' and yet be perfectly within specification. The cam on some has a 'compression release' feature to ease starting. http://pkjones.hubpages.com/hub/Hard...tratton-engine --Winston |
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On 10/24/2011 11:54 PM, Ignoramus8808 wrote:
I bought a Wacker concrete saw for $50. The seller honestly disclosed that it ran fine, but now it "would not start", which is true -- it does not start. How do I fix this thing, is that a carb issue? i All we can really do is guess here so I'll put my money on the fuel system being destroyed by the ****ing ethanol they put in gasoline now. |
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Used to be a wack on, now it's a wack off? That could start
an endless thread of double entendres. "Hey, yank on it a bit more...." "Doesn't spark me, you know." Either that, or it is a plug device that turns your lights on, and is sold around Christmas time by Billy Mays (as seen on TV). Wack on! Wack off! The WACKER! |
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On Oct 25, 2:31*pm, Hank wrote:
On Oct 25, 12:01*pm, " wrote: On Oct 25, 6:33*am, Hank wrote: On Oct 24, 11:54*pm, Ignoramus8808 wrote: I bought a Wacker concrete saw for $50. The seller honestly disclosed that it ran fine, but now it "would not start", which is true -- it does not start. How do I fix this thing, is that a carb issue? i It seems everyone is going with cleaning the carb, which may or may not be true. * In my experience, the vast majority of the time it is the carb because many of these home gas power tools are used once in a blue moon, put away with gas in them and it winds up gumming up the carb. *Or the fuels today with alcohol attract water which then rusts up the needle valves, etc. * I'm wrestling with that exact problem now with a Stihl chainsaw. * If i used it every couple months, it would start fine. But I agree, he should not rule out other causes. *I would have asked the seller if The major problem is that he bought a non-running saw. He has no idea what is wrong with it. Now, the question is...... is it worth fixing. :-) If he likes to tinker, he can learn alot. But he better find out more info before beginning. Hank Does Iggy like to tinker? You're new around here, I guess. If it's a 4-stroke, you could try shooting some starting ether or propane in the intake and see what you get. It's easy enough to check for spark (and make sure the spark plug isn't soaked with oil or gas), and as stormin' said, if you turn the motor backwards, you ought to feel some compression. But two-stroke or four, it's probably a fouled carb, and you can probably fix it by soaking in gumout or methyl chloride. |
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On Tue, 25 Oct 2011 17:25:01 -0400, Al Goar
wrote: All we can really do is guess here so I'll put my money on the fuel system being destroyed by the ****ing ethanol they put in gasoline now. Heh. How about a switch that is still turned off or the fuel line shut off is not opened? BTDT |
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And extends microphone how would you describe the new
gasoline blends which are supposed to be working toward energy independance? -- Christopher A. Young WLDS News .. "Al Goar" wrote in message ... All we can really do is guess here so I'll put my money on the fuel system being destroyed by the ****ing ethanol they put in gasoline now. |
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When I was in the volunteer fire department. One of the old
guys was telling me of the department, the next town over. They brought some piece of gas equipment, which was needed at a fire scene. Hurst tool, maybe. When the various young fellows (other department) finished taking turns pulling the start cord, the old guy (my department) went over. He turned the gas on, and started right up. He describes the surprised looks on the young bucks 1 / 3 his age. -- Christopher A. Young Learn more about Jesus www.lds.org .. "Oren" wrote in message ... Heh. How about a switch that is still turned off or the fuel line shut off is not opened? BTDT |
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Stormin Mormon wrote:
When I was in the volunteer fire department. One of the old guys was telling me of the department, the next town over. They brought some piece of gas equipment, which was needed at a fire scene. Hurst tool, maybe. When the various young fellows (other department) finished taking turns pulling the start cord, the old guy (my department) went over. He turned the gas on, and started right up. He describes the surprised looks on the young bucks 1 / 3 his age. BTDT Laughed at the youngsters.... One of our SOPs is to shut off the fuel and let the device burn off the fuel in the carb. Makes it much easier than letting varnish plug up the carbs. Of course we did have a rookie who was using an ice drill to get water for a barn fire. Only problem was he was trying to drill right in the middle of the driveway !!!!! -- Steve W. |
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On 2011-10-26, Steve W. wrote:
Stormin Mormon wrote: When I was in the volunteer fire department. One of the old guys was telling me of the department, the next town over. They brought some piece of gas equipment, which was needed at a fire scene. Hurst tool, maybe. When the various young fellows (other department) finished taking turns pulling the start cord, the old guy (my department) went over. He turned the gas on, and started right up. He describes the surprised looks on the young bucks 1 / 3 his age. BTDT Laughed at the youngsters.... One of our SOPs is to shut off the fuel and let the device burn off the fuel in the carb. Makes it much easier than letting varnish plug up the carbs. I always do that also. i |
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Well, if you are in the small or recreational engine repair business,
ethanol is great stuff. For the rest of us, methanol is a ****ing major-league expensive pain in the ass. On 10/25/2011 6:37 PM, Stormin Mormon wrote: Andextends microphone how would you describe the new gasoline blends which are supposed to be working toward energy independance? |
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On Tue, 25 Oct 2011 20:16:33 -0400, "Steve W."
wrote: Of course we did have a rookie who was using an ice drill to get water for a barn fire. Only problem was he was trying to drill right in the middle of the driveway !!!!! Rookies are fun. I was once sent to get a "bucket of electricity" (code name for extension cord). Lesson learned :-/ I told an incoming shift one day we had a missing employee. Gasp! Then I pointed to a digital Avery label picture I had placed on a milk carton. We will find him, yet! eyes rolled One boss sent an employee out to count buffo toads at night so he could figure out what measures he would need to get rid of 'em. (I have more examples of rookie fun) Oh those days are still funny to me. |
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On Tue, 25 Oct 2011 09:01:33 -0700 (PDT), "
wrote: It seems everyone is going with cleaning the carb, which may or may not be true. * In my experience, the vast majority of the time it is the carb because many of these home gas power tools are used once in a blue moon, put away with gas in them and it winds up gumming up the carb. Or the fuels today with alcohol attract water which then rusts up the needle valves, etc. I'm wrestling with that exact problem now with a Stihl chainsaw. Same here with a Husky/Craftsman saw. Gunner One could not be a successful Leftwinger without realizing that, in contrast to the popular conception supported by newspapers and mothers of Leftwingers, a goodly number of Leftwingers are not only narrow-minded and dull, but also just stupid. Gunner Asch |
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Oren wrote:
On Tue, 25 Oct 2011 20:16:33 -0400, "Steve W." wrote: Of course we did have a rookie who was using an ice drill to get water for a barn fire. Only problem was he was trying to drill right in the middle of the driveway !!!!! Rookies are fun. I was once sent to get a "bucket of electricity" (code name for extension cord). Lesson learned :-/ I told an incoming shift one day we had a missing employee. Gasp! Then I pointed to a digital Avery label picture I had placed on a milk carton. We will find him, yet! eyes rolled One boss sent an employee out to count buffo toads at night so he could figure out what measures he would need to get rid of 'em. (I have more examples of rookie fun) Oh those days are still funny to me. I try not to make the rookies miserable but there are times when you just need to wake them up.... -- Steve W. |
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On Tue, 25 Oct 2011 18:42:47 -0700, Oren wrote:
On Tue, 25 Oct 2011 20:16:33 -0400, "Steve W." wrote: Of course we did have a rookie who was using an ice drill to get water for a barn fire. Only problem was he was trying to drill right in the middle of the driveway !!!!! Rookies are fun. I was once sent to get a "bucket of electricity" (code name for extension cord). Lesson learned :-/ I told an incoming shift one day we had a missing employee. Gasp! Then I pointed to a digital Avery label picture I had placed on a milk carton. We will find him, yet! eyes rolled One boss sent an employee out to count buffo toads at night so he could figure out what measures he would need to get rid of 'em. (I have more examples of rookie fun) Oh those days are still funny to me. Sending a candy striper for a box of fallopian tubes for surgery is always a good one in a hospital. I once asked a sales clerk at Walmart for a box of said tubes and she looked for 10 minutes before advising me they were out, but had more coming in tommorow. Gunner One could not be a successful Leftwinger without realizing that, in contrast to the popular conception supported by newspapers and mothers of Leftwingers, a goodly number of Leftwingers are not only narrow-minded and dull, but also just stupid. Gunner Asch |
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On Tue, 25 Oct 2011 15:17:15 -0700, Oren wrote:
On Tue, 25 Oct 2011 17:25:01 -0400, Al Goar wrote: All we can really do is guess here so I'll put my money on the fuel system being destroyed by the ****ing ethanol they put in gasoline now. Heh. How about a switch that is still turned off or the fuel line shut off is not opened? BTDT Bought a chain saw for parts and while cleaning it up, noticed that the fuel line was caught between the case halves - replaced the fuel line and it ran fine. Gerry :-)} London, Canada |
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On 10/24/2011 10:54 PM, Ignoramus8808 wrote:
I bought a Wacker concrete saw for $50. The seller honestly disclosed that it ran fine, but now it "would not start", which is true -- it does not start. How do I fix this thing, is that a carb issue? i We would really need to know if this is a hand held, probably 2 stroke engine, or a walk behind, probably 4 stroke engine. A few things to try: 1. make sure that the fuel shut off is open 2. make sure that the ignition is on. Many pavement saws have more than one. 3. Choke 4. Fuel If it is a 2 stroke saw, it is very easy to have too much oil in the mix. It will NOT start if the mix is not correct, especially if it has a too rich mix. It never ceases to amaze me the prices that you pay for things. A decent brand hand held cut off saw is over a $1,000. If it runs at all it will bring several hundred. |
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I also like to run equipment dry, when placing in storage.
Ice drill on driveway? Right over the water main? Sounds like a clueless rookie. -- Christopher A. Young Learn more about Jesus www.lds.org .. "Steve W." wrote in message ... start cord, the old guy (my department) went over. He turned the gas on, and started right up. He describes the surprised looks on the young bucks 1 / 3 his age. BTDT Laughed at the youngsters.... One of our SOPs is to shut off the fuel and let the device burn off the fuel in the carb. Makes it much easier than letting varnish plug up the carbs. Of course we did have a rookie who was using an ice drill to get water for a barn fire. Only problem was he was trying to drill right in the middle of the driveway !!!!! -- Steve W. |
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"On behalf of the gentlemen and gentle ladies of W-AHR
radio, we thank you for those succinct and profound comments. It has been our privilege to hear from Al Goar, our man on the street field reporter, commenting on alcohol gasoline. Field reports are coming in from several sources. For use in small engines, the scientific consensus from the repair shops is that alcohol gasoline, also known as "gasohol" is a real mother****er." -- Christopher A. Young Learn more about small engines www.alt.home.repair.org .. "Al Goar" wrote in message ... Well, if you are in the small or recreational engine repair business, ethanol is great stuff. For the rest of us, methanol is a ****ing major-league expensive pain in the ass. On 10/25/2011 6:37 PM, Stormin Mormon wrote: Andextends microphone how would you describe the new gasoline blends which are supposed to be working toward energy independance? |
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Stormin Mormon wrote:
I also like to run equipment dry, when placing in storage. Ice drill on driveway? Right over the water main? Sounds like a clueless rookie. Oh it's MUCH worse than that. He was trying to punch a hole to draft from a pond !!! And this is a pond that is very easy to access from the roadside. There is even an easy way to find the area to break the ice, It has a marker that sets about 2 feet off the roadside !!! The pond is just north east of this intersection.. 42.938635,-74.815802 Note where the driveway to the garage is !!!! -- Steve W. |
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On Wed, 26 Oct 2011 01:38:10 -0400, Gerald Miller
wrote: Heh. How about a switch that is still turned off or the fuel line shut off is not opened? BTDT Bought a chain saw for parts and while cleaning it up, noticed that the fuel line was caught between the case halves - replaced the fuel line and it ran fine. Saw a similar problem on a lawn mower. The spark plug wire was bound between the metal. It had cut the wire, which caused it to ground out and not fire the plug... |
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Gunner Asch on Tue, 25 Oct 2011 21:54:16 -0700
typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following: On Tue, 25 Oct 2011 18:42:47 -0700, Oren wrote: On Tue, 25 Oct 2011 20:16:33 -0400, "Steve W." wrote: Of course we did have a rookie who was using an ice drill to get water for a barn fire. Only problem was he was trying to drill right in the middle of the driveway !!!!! Rookies are fun. I was once sent to get a "bucket of electricity" (code name for extension cord). Lesson learned :-/ I told an incoming shift one day we had a missing employee. Gasp! Then I pointed to a digital Avery label picture I had placed on a milk carton. We will find him, yet! eyes rolled One boss sent an employee out to count buffo toads at night so he could figure out what measures he would need to get rid of 'em. (I have more examples of rookie fun) Oh those days are still funny to me. Sending a candy striper for a box of fallopian tubes for surgery is always a good one in a hospital. I once asked a sales clerk at Walmart for a box of said tubes and she looked for 10 minutes before advising me they were out, but had more coming in tommorow. Best one I head was sending the newbie all round the shop looking for a box stretcher. Finally is sent up front to the manager's office. He comes back a moment alter, embarrassed, followed by the manager, who then reams the employees for sending him after the box stretcher. "After all, we scraped the broken one six months ago!" tschus pyotr -- pyotr Go not to the Net for answers, for it will tell you Yes and no. And you are a bloody fool, only an ignorant cretin would even ask the question, forty two, 47, the second door, and how many blonde lawyers does it take to change a lightbulb. |
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I have the same saw. Min does the same thing. It turned iut ti be the magneto.
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