just curious as to if anyone has any input into outdoor security
cameras. i am leaning towards this one
http://www.amazon.com/Lorex-Wireless...999550-1150327
and while the reviews seem okay perhaps some of you can provide input
into a different system.
thanks, cj

cj wrote:
just curious as to if anyone has any input into outdoor security
cameras. i am leaning towards this one
http://www.amazon.com/Lorex-Wireless...999550-1150327
and while the reviews seem okay perhaps some of you can provide input
into a different system.
thanks, cj

Don't. The one you referenced doesn't seem to work at night. They don't say
anything about dark and the pictures don't seem to have any infared LEDs.

You might consider this one from HF
http://www.harborfreight.com/4-chann...ies-68332.html

For about the same money, it has 4 cameras instead of two and works in the
dark.

cj wrote:

just curious as to if anyone has any input into outdoor security
cameras.

Just make sure you point it at your outside AC unit, because that's
what's gonna be stolen.

But you've got to look at the ergonomics here. Everyone's situation is
different.

Some people are more concerned about propery or premises surveilence
during the day (while they're at work). Other people are more concerned
about night (particularly detached garages or out buildings).

Another issue is recording (continuous or motion-triggered?). Or no
recording (but maybe an e-mail image based on motion).

Another issue is real-time notification of motion. Or not. Do you want
to act against tresspassers or thieves the minute the system detects
their presence? Are you prepared to act - even at 2:39 am?

Motion triggering (based on a change in the video image) is tricky and
can result in a lot of false triggering.

Continuous recording means that you'll have to get into the habbit of
scanning through the previous-days's (or previous night's) recording to
see if there was any tresspassing / attempted breakin.

Passive recording (without some sort of real-time notification) may let
you down when you go to the police with some video showing what happened
but for one reason or another it doesn't lead to arrest or recovery of
the property.

Finally, you may find that a trail-cam is more ergonomic than a video
system for what you want the system to do.

On Oct 21, 11:02*pm, cj wrote:
just curious as to if anyone has any input into outdoor security
cameras. i am leaning towards this onehttp://www.amazon.com/Lorex-Wireless-Digital-Security-System/dp/B003X...
and while the reviews seem okay perhaps some of you can provide input
into a different system.
thanks, cj

Get yourself a dog from the pound. Low cost, low maintenance
surveilance, alarm and attack ystem. Comes in packages of varying
sizes.
Also keeps the children amused.

cj wrote:


just curious as to if anyone has any input into outdoor security
cameras. i am leaning towards this one
http://www.amazon.com/Lorex-Wireless...999550-1150327
and while the reviews seem okay perhaps some of you can provide input
into a different system.
thanks, cj

Lorex is junk.

Please go to alt.security.alarms and ask, you won't be sorry you got
input from the Pro's *first*. We just had a guy drop by, that bought
into the crappy Costco package. Now he is kicking himself for not
researching CCTV first. Its not a matter of "is this camera good?"


--

"I don't like to discriminate against terrorists based on nationality.
If you declare war on the United States and you want to kill us,
We're going to kill you first, period."

October 19, 2011 - Ali Soufan (Colbert Report)

On 10/21/2011 9:19 PM, HeyBub wrote:
cj wrote:
just curious as to if anyone has any input into outdoor security
cameras. i am leaning towards this one
http://www.amazon.com/Lorex-Wireless...999550-1150327
and while the reviews seem okay perhaps some of you can provide input
into a different system.
thanks, cj

Don't. The one you referenced doesn't seem to work at night. They don't say
anything about dark and the pictures don't seem to have any infared LEDs.

I was fooled by those pictures too. They only clearly show 12 LEDs and
an IR sensor located adjacent to the lens. And this language was of no help:

"Automatic night vision lets you see up to 40 feet in total darkness. "



You might consider this one from HF
http://www.harborfreight.com/4-chann...ies-68332.html

For about the same money, it has 4 cameras instead of two and works in the
dark.



As a really good rule more cameras for the same money doesn't yield a
better job.

Good job on "heybubbing" the OP though...

On 10/22/2011 2:10 AM, G. Morgan wrote:
cj wrote:


just curious as to if anyone has any input into outdoor security
cameras. i am leaning towards this one
http://www.amazon.com/Lorex-Wireless...999550-1150327
and while the reviews seem okay perhaps some of you can provide input
into a different system.
thanks, cj

Lorex is junk.

Please go to alt.security.alarms and ask, you won't be sorry you got
input from the Pro's *first*. We just had a guy drop by, that bought
into the crappy Costco package. Now he is kicking himself for not
researching CCTV first. Its not a matter of "is this camera good?"



Exactly, lots of folks fall into "all this for $299" thinking and
quickly find out why it is a waste of time.

As an example there is a local bar that serves mostly food. The owner
isn't a friend but I have known him for a long time. He mentioned he
wanted to get cameras and was getting an "all this for $299" package. He
installs it and is really impressed because he can see pictures. I try
to explain how meaningless it is because of the lack of detail but price
trumps everything. Not long after there was a break in at the bar. When
they blew up the pictures looking for detail it was clearly obvious that
either a black or white person who may have had eyes was the culprit.
Now he was willing to spend thousands to enhance the pictures only to
learn you can't enhance poor detail images to any extent.

George wrote:

George,

Exactly, lots of folks fall into "all this for $299" thinking and
quickly find out why it is a waste of time.

I'm glad you know this. Now you have to choose DVR and cameras.

Don't be cheap. Accept no less than 600 TV lines, Megapixel is better.

Do the calculations on storage for your needs, including motion only.

Don't use cams that come with a 12v P/S wall-wart, THAT is a dead
giveaway of crap.

Look at Speco true day/night cams, they don't rely on IR illumination.
About $280/per.

I use CAT5e and video baluns for PoE and upgrade ability to pure IP
cams.







--

"I don't like to discriminate against terrorists based on nationality.
If you declare war on the United States and you want to kill us,
We're going to kill you first, period."

October 19, 2011 - Ali Soufan (Colbert Report)

On 10/22/2011 1:53 AM, harry wrote:
On Oct 21, 11:02 pm, wrote:
just curious as to if anyone has any input into outdoor security
cameras. i am leaning towards this onehttp://www.amazon.com/Lorex-Wireless-Digital-Security-System/dp/B003X...
and while the reviews seem okay perhaps some of you can provide input
into a different system.
thanks, cj

Get yourself a dog from the pound. Low cost, low maintenance
surveilance, alarm and attack ystem. Comes in packages of varying
sizes.
Also keeps the children amused.

Cheaper to get robbed once in a while, unless you like dogs and/or need
something to MAKE you spend half an hour per day out walking. Food and
vet bills add up real quick.

--
aem sends...

On Oct 22, 12:52*pm, George wrote:
On 10/22/2011 2:10 AM, G. Morgan wrote:





cj wrote:

just curious as to if anyone has any input into outdoor security
cameras. i am leaning towards this one
http://www.amazon.com/Lorex-Wireless...ystem/dp/B003X....
and while the reviews seem okay perhaps some of you can provide input
into a different system.
thanks, cj

Lorex is junk.

Please go to alt.security.alarms and ask, you won't be sorry you got
input from the Pro's *first*. *We just had a guy drop by, that bought
into the crappy Costco package. *Now he is kicking himself for not
researching CCTV first. *Its not a matter of "is this camera good?"

Exactly, lots of folks fall into "all this for $299" thinking and
quickly find out why it is a waste of time.

As an example there is a local bar that serves mostly food. The owner
isn't a friend but I have known him for a long time. He mentioned he
wanted to get cameras and was getting an "all this for $299" package. He
installs it and is really impressed because he can see pictures. I try
to explain how meaningless it is because of the lack of detail but price
trumps everything. Not long after there was a break in at the bar. When
they blew up the pictures looking for detail it was clearly obvious that
either a black or white person who may have had eyes was the culprit.
Now he was willing to spend thousands to enhance the pictures only to
learn you can't enhance poor detail images to any extent.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

He needs to see these people on "NCSI". They can make single pixel
into a car number plate.
Oops, that's Hollywood slipping a in again :-)

On Oct 22, 1:36*pm, aemeijers wrote:
On 10/22/2011 1:53 AM, harry wrote:

On Oct 21, 11:02 pm, *wrote:
just curious as to if anyone has any input into outdoor security
cameras. i am leaning towards this onehttp://www.amazon.com/Lorex-Wireless-Digital-Security-System/dp/B003X...
and while the reviews seem okay perhaps some of you can provide input
into a different system.
thanks, cj

Get yourself a dog from the pound. *Low cost, low maintenance
surveilance, *alarm and attack ystem. *Comes in packages of varying
sizes.
Also keeps the children amused.

Cheaper to get robbed once in a while, unless you like dogs and/or need
something to MAKE you spend half an hour per day out walking. Food and
vet bills add up real quick.

--
aem sends...

Get a mongeral. Far less likely to go wrong. The children and the
dog exercise one another. A form of perpetual motion. All children
should have a dog in their lives.

George wrote:
On 10/21/2011 9:19 PM, HeyBub wrote:
cj wrote:
just curious as to if anyone has any input into outdoor security
cameras. i am leaning towards this one
http://www.amazon.com/Lorex-Wireless...999550-1150327
and while the reviews seem okay perhaps some of you can provide
input into a different system.
thanks, cj

Don't. The one you referenced doesn't seem to work at night. They
don't say anything about dark and the pictures don't seem to have
any infared LEDs.

I was fooled by those pictures too. They only clearly show 12 LEDs and
an IR sensor located adjacent to the lens. And this language was of
no help:
"Automatic night vision lets you see up to 40 feet in total darkness.
"


You might consider this one from HF
http://www.harborfreight.com/4-chann...ies-68332.html

For about the same money, it has 4 cameras instead of two and works
in the dark.



As a really good rule more cameras for the same money doesn't yield a
better job.

Depends. With two cameras you can watch the front and back doors. Most
houses, however, have four sides.


Good job on "heybubbing" the OP though...

Thanks. Whatever that means.

On 10/22/2011 1:53 AM, harry wrote:
On Oct 21, 11:02 pm, wrote:
just curious as to if anyone has any input into outdoor security
cameras. i am leaning towards this onehttp://www.amazon.com/Lorex-Wireless-Digital-Security-System/dp/B003X...
and while the reviews seem okay perhaps some of you can provide input
into a different system.
thanks, cj

Get yourself a dog from the pound. Low cost, low maintenance
surveilance, alarm and attack ystem. Comes in packages of varying
sizes.
Also keeps the children amused.
iv'e never met a low maintenance dog

cj

On Oct 22, 9:33*pm, cj wrote:
On 10/22/2011 1:53 AM, harry wrote: On Oct 21, 11:02 pm, *wrote:
just curious as to if anyone has any input into outdoor security
cameras. i am leaning towards this onehttp://www.amazon.com/Lorex-Wireless-Digital-Security-System/dp/B003X...
and while the reviews seem okay perhaps some of you can provide input
into a different system.
thanks, cj

Get yourself a dog from the pound. *Low cost, low maintenance
surveilance, *alarm and attack ystem. *Comes in packages of varying
sizes.
Also keeps the children amused.

iv'e never met a low maintenance dog

cj

You are clearly meeting the wrong dogs.

On Sat, 22 Oct 2011 23:16:14 -0700 (PDT), harry wrote:

On Oct 22, 9:33*pm, cj wrote:
On 10/22/2011 1:53 AM, harry wrote: On Oct 21, 11:02 pm, *wrote:
just curious as to if anyone has any input into outdoor security
cameras. i am leaning towards this onehttp://www.amazon.com/Lorex-Wireless-Digital-Security-System/dp/B003X...
and while the reviews seem okay perhaps some of you can provide input
into a different system.
thanks, cj

Get yourself a dog from the pound. *Low cost, low maintenance
surveilance, *alarm and attack ystem. *Comes in packages of varying
sizes.
Also keeps the children amused.

iv'e never met a low maintenance dog

cj

You are clearly meeting the wrong dogs.

harry married one.

On 10/21/2011 6:02 PM, cj wrote:

just curious as to if anyone has any input into outdoor security
cameras. i am leaning towards this one
http://www.amazon.com/Lorex-Wireless...999550-1150327
and while the reviews seem okay perhaps some of you can provide input
into a different system.
thanks, cj

Harbor Freight sells fake "security" cameras that have a PIR detector
what makes the camera "pan" back and force when it finds any activity.
That's likely to scare off any two footed critters.

You also might want to check out a "game" camera. Some of these don't
use a visible flash and some do. You can decide for yourself what makes
the best sense.

John Gilmer wrote:

Harbor Freight sells fake "security" cameras that have a PIR detector
what makes the camera "pan" back and force when it finds any activity.
That's likely to scare off any two footed critters.

You also might want to check out a "game" camera. Some of these don't
use a visible flash and some do. You can decide for yourself what
makes the best sense.

A few years ago, two teenagers broke into a large boat shed in Maine. As
they were vandalizing the boats, they noticed a video camera.

Nothing for it but to burn down the shed.

Of course the recording equipment was located in the repair shop's office
and it took the local cops about thirty seconds to identify the culprits.

The oldest, 19, plead guilty and was sentenced (as I recall) to five years
probation.

The Secret Service then got involved, because one of the destroyed boats
belonged to George H.W. Bush. The younger boy, aged 14, was convicted of a
terroristic act and sentenced to 2-1/2 at the nation's only maximum-security
facility for juveniles. In Pennsylvania.

Imagine being locked up for 30 months with 300 drunk Indians.

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