Using tools you may already have (SawStop not required).

http://www.dctechs.com/rifle.htm

On Tue, 11 Oct 2011 21:36:28 -0500, "HeyBub"
wrote:

Using tools you may already have (SawStop not required).

http://www.dctechs.com/rifle.htm


That's a little more complicated than the ones we made with copper
tubing, a rubber band, a nail and a piece of oak.

Yours looks more impressive. Ours took a lot less time & materials--
but I wouldn't want to be shot with either.

Jim

On 2011-10-12, HeyBub wrote:
Using tools you may already have (SawStop not required).

http://www.dctechs.com/rifle.htm

Sure, pal. I have a $6K copy of AutoCad dozing on my computer.

Great if one is into masturbatory machining and has CNC mill in the
garage. For what this guy no doubt spent, I can probably buy 3
equally bizarre looking and doubly accurate production rifles.
Interesting that ol' Dave is in my CA home of 30 yrs (behind the Lucky
mkt) and Varmint Al is the webmaster. The whole project reeks of
LLNL, who aggresively recruited from a renown CO gun school for years.
Kudos for the great photos, another passion of RadLabers.

nb --ex RL machinist

Would be nice if I had a garage, and if I had all the
machining tools this fellow already has.

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
..


"HeyBub" wrote in message
...
Using tools you may already have (SawStop not required).

http://www.dctechs.com/rifle.htm

On Wed, 12 Oct 2011 08:50:09 -0400, "Stormin Mormon"
wrote:

Would be nice if I had a garage, and if I had all the
machining tools this fellow already has.

Would be nice if you had a brain too.

In the "machining" category, I give it high marks for cool factor.

In the "firearms" category, I'll reserve judgment until I see the
first 10 shot group. If it can't shoot a decent group, nothing else
matters...

"Stormin Mormon" wrote in message
...
Would be nice if I had a garage, and if I had all the
machining tools this fellow already has.

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
.


"HeyBub" wrote in message
...
Using tools you may already have (SawStop not required).

http://www.dctechs.com/rifle.htm



CAUTION, Spyware Doctor flags this site as a known spreader of malware.

On Wed, 12 Oct 2011 08:50:09 -0400, Stormin Mormon wrote:

Would be nice if I had a garage, and if I had all the machining tools
this fellow already has.

What do you really need? (keep in mind that I'm ignorant & don't know
the answer). It seems like, at a minimum you just need a lathe, a few
turning tools, a really, really long drill bit, some hand tools and lots
of ingenuity. Given when folks started making long rifles, I can't see
you needing more than that.

--
Tim Wescott
Control system and signal processing consulting
www.wescottdesign.com

anorton wrote:
"Stormin Mormon" wrote in message
...
Would be nice if I had a garage, and if I had all the
machining tools this fellow already has.

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
.


"HeyBub" wrote in message
...
Using tools you may already have (SawStop not required).

http://www.dctechs.com/rifle.htm



CAUTION, Spyware Doctor flags this site as a known spreader of
malware.

He might have cleaned it up , I didn't get any warnings from my
anti-malware/spyware/virus stuff.
--
Snag
Learning keeps
you young !

On Wed, 12 Oct 2011 08:27:57 -0700, "anorton"
wrote:

[snip]


http://www.dctechs.com/rifle.htm



CAUTION, Spyware Doctor flags this site as a known spreader of malware.

I see no problems with the site.

I have about as much faith in Spyware DDoctor as I do in the
heuristics detection in Avira: it flags some of the code I've written,
which I know is clean.

Most of these programs err on the side of hysteria and paranoia - if
they didn't report anything, you might think you had wasted your money
on them...

John

wrote:
On Wed, 12 Oct 2011 08:27:57 -0700, "anorton"
wrote:

[snip]


http://www.dctechs.com/rifle.htm



CAUTION, Spyware Doctor flags this site as a known spreader of
malware.

I see no problems with the site.

I have about as much faith in Spyware DDoctor as I do in the
heuristics detection in Avira: it flags some of the code I've written,
which I know is clean.

Most of these programs err on the side of hysteria and paranoia - if
they didn't report anything, you might think you had wasted your money
on them...

John

That's why I use the free stuff . You can build a pretty comprehensive
defense with the right combination of programs . Try SuperAntiSpyware's free
version , it outshines Spybot and AdAware combined - I run both , then SAS
and it catches stuff they both missed , especially trackong cookies .
--
Snag
Learning keeps
you young !

On 2011-10-12, Snag wrote:

That's why I use the free stuff . You can build a pretty comprehensive
defense with the right combination of programs . Try SuperAntiSpyware's free
version , it outshines Spybot and AdAware combined - I run both , then SAS
and it catches stuff they both missed , especially trackong cookies .

The best protection you can have, when surfing the web, is to use
Firefox or Seamonkey (Netscape) and add the NoScript plug-in. This
will stop ALL scripts from being run when you visit a website.
Hackers can't sneak a drive-by download, pop-ups, etc, on your
computer if their intrusive/hostile scripts won't run. Yes, it will
kill things like java and flash, which you may want, but NoScript (NS)
allows you to re-activate each script, individually, one at a time.
For example, you can allow videos while blocking all Google's numerous
tracking scripts, etc. It's up to you. You have complete control.

http://noscript.net/

This is for ultra safe web surfing only. No protection from stupidly
opening quetionable emails or downloading risky files or vids/images
that may include hidden malicious code.

nb

On Oct 12, 2:03*pm, "Snag" wrote:
wrote:
On Wed, 12 Oct 2011 08:27:57 -0700, "anorton"
wrote:

[snip]

http://www.dctechs.com/rifle.htm

CAUTION, Spyware Doctor flags this site as a known spreader of
malware.

I see no problems with the site.

I have about as much faith in Spyware DDoctor as I do in the
heuristics detection in Avira: it flags some of the code I've written,
which I know is clean.

Most of these programs err on the side of hysteria and paranoia - if
they didn't report anything, you might think you had wasted your money
on them...

John

* That's why I use the free stuff . You can build a pretty comprehensive
defense with the right combination of programs . Try SuperAntiSpyware's free
version , it outshines Spybot and AdAware combined - I run both , then SAS
and it catches stuff they both missed , especially trackong cookies .


Spybot and AA have been obsolete for quite a while. Do yourself a
favor, dump both of them and add the free versions of Malwarebytes
Anti-Malware and Emsisoft Anti-Malware.

Ron wrote:
On Oct 12, 2:03 pm, "Snag" wrote:
wrote:
On Wed, 12 Oct 2011 08:27:57 -0700, "anorton"
wrote:

[snip]

http://www.dctechs.com/rifle.htm

CAUTION, Spyware Doctor flags this site as a known spreader of
malware.

I see no problems with the site.

I have about as much faith in Spyware DDoctor as I do in the
heuristics detection in Avira: it flags some of the code I've
written, which I know is clean.

Most of these programs err on the side of hysteria and paranoia - if
they didn't report anything, you might think you had wasted your
money on them...

John

That's why I use the free stuff . You can build a pretty
comprehensive defense with the right combination of programs . Try
SuperAntiSpyware's free version , it outshines Spybot and AdAware
combined - I run both , then SAS and it catches stuff they both
missed , especially trackong cookies .


Spybot and AA have been obsolete for quite a while. Do yourself a
favor, dump both of them and add the free versions of Malwarebytes
Anti-Malware and Emsisoft Anti-Malware.


MalwareBytes is already installed on all my comps , but Emsisoft is a new
one to me .
--
Snag
Learning keeps
you young !

On 10/12/2011 5:20 PM, notbob wrote:
On 2011-10-12, wrote:

That's why I use the free stuff . You can build a pretty comprehensive
defense with the right combination of programs . Try SuperAntiSpyware's free
version , it outshines Spybot and AdAware combined - I run both , then SAS
and it catches stuff they both missed , especially trackong cookies .

The best protection you can have, when surfing the web, is to use
Firefox or Seamonkey (Netscape) and add the NoScript plug-in. This
will stop ALL scripts from being run when you visit a website.
Hackers can't sneak a drive-by download, pop-ups, etc, on your
computer if their intrusive/hostile scripts won't run. Yes, it will
kill things like java and flash, which you may want, but NoScript (NS)
allows you to re-activate each script, individually, one at a time.
For example, you can allow videos while blocking all Google's numerous
tracking scripts, etc. It's up to you. You have complete control.

http://noscript.net/

This is for ultra safe web surfing only. No protection from stupidly
opening quetionable emails or downloading risky files or vids/images
that may include hidden malicious code.

nb

Best solution is the one I keep meaning to follow, but never get around
to- set up a spare PC (what, doesn't everyone have a stack in the
corner?) as a sacrificial machine for internet surfing use and nothing
else, and have a baseline image ready to ghost it whenever you even
suspect it has been compromised. No virus I have seen survives a
bare-metal reload.

--
aem sends...

On 2011-10-12, aemeijers wrote:
corner?) as a sacrificial machine for internet surfing use and nothing

heh heh....

I use a variation on that idea. I have a Vaio desktop with XP which
is my sacrificial M$ lamb. It's dying your typical slow M$ death from
god knows what incursions/exploits and malignancies. My virginal
netbook with XP never sees the cloud. If I do need to use my netbook on
the net, I run a small Linux distro from a flash key. My Vaio desktop
with Linux is my real workhorse computer and is locked down tight.
Each is tweaked to its purpose.

nb

--
vi ....the heart of evil!

On Oct 12, 6:50*am, "Stormin Mormon"
wrote:
Would be nice if I had a garage, and if I had all the
machining tools this fellow already has.

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
*www.lds.org
.

"HeyBub" wrote in message

...
Using tools you may already have (SawStop not required).

http://www.dctechs.com/rifle.htm

You could always make a zip gun like the Puerto Rican gangs used to
make in New York City back in the '60s out of telescoping radio
antennas, a piece of wood, and some rubber bands.

On 10/12/2011 8:50 AM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
Would be nice if I had a garage, and if I had all the
machining tools this fellow already has.


It's senseless to produce firearms in a home shop unless you do it for
fun or need unmarked guns. If you're interested look into "80%
receiver". No numbers and you can finish them with a drill press.
Still not worth it when you can buy a new factory firearm with a
warranty and you know it'll work right. Or, buy used.

That, of course, or a Four Winds shotgun. I've emailed a
person who claims to have fired a Four Winds, and the recoil
is a bit much.

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
..


"Steve from Colorado"
wrote in message
...



http://www.dctechs.com/rifle.htm

You could always make a zip gun like the Puerto Rican gangs
used to
make in New York City back in the '60s out of telescoping
radio
antennas, a piece of wood, and some rubber bands.

The fellow in the article was building for the joy of
building. And of course, the "kewl" factor. The factories
have been making dependable guns, and many are available
from the military surplus market. With the present trend
toward gun bans and confiscation, there is an appeal to
unnumbered, and unregistered arms. Still, unregistered would
likely disappear in a house to house search.

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
..


"Tom Gardner" mars@tacks wrote in message
...

It's senseless to produce firearms in a home shop unless you
do it for
fun or need unmarked guns. If you're interested look into
"80%
receiver". No numbers and you can finish them with a drill
press.
Still not worth it when you can buy a new factory firearm
with a
warranty and you know it'll work right. Or, buy used.

On Oct 12, 11:20*am, notbob wrote:
On 2011-10-12, Snag wrote:

* That's why I use the free stuff . You can build a pretty comprehensive
defense with the right combination of programs . Try SuperAntiSpyware's free
version , it outshines Spybot and AdAware combined - I run both , then SAS
and it catches stuff they both missed , especially trackong cookies .

The best protection you can have, when surfing the web, is to use
Firefox or Seamonkey (Netscape) and add the NoScript plug-in. *This
will stop ALL scripts from being run when you visit a website.
Hackers can't sneak a drive-by download, pop-ups, etc, on your
computer if their intrusive/hostile scripts won't run. *Yes, it will
kill things like java and flash, which you may want, but NoScript (NS)
allows you to re-activate each script, individually, one at a time.
For example, you can allow videos while blocking all Google's numerous
tracking scripts, etc. *It's up to you. *You have complete control.

http://noscript.net/

This is for ultra safe web surfing only. *No protection from stupidly
opening quetionable emails or downloading risky files or vids/images
that may include hidden malicious code. *

nb *

This is the best protection and you can go anywhere.
http://www.faronics.com/enterprise/deep-freeze/
My friend used to install it on school computers.
Karl

Stormin Mormon wrote:
The fellow in the article was building for the joy of
building. And of course, the "kewl" factor. The factories
have been making dependable guns, and many are available
from the military surplus market. With the present trend
toward gun bans and confiscation, there is an appeal to
unnumbered, and unregistered arms. Still, unregistered would
likely disappear in a house to house search.

Some states, like mine, have no gun "registration" laws.

On 10/12/2011 11:50 PM, Steve from Colorado wrote:
On Oct 12, 6:50 am, "Stormin Mormon"
wrote:
Would be nice if I had a garage, and if I had all the
machining tools this fellow already has.

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
.

wrote in message

...
Using tools you may already have (SawStop not required).

http://www.dctechs.com/rifle.htm

You could always make a zip gun like the Puerto Rican gangs used to
make in New York City back in the '60s out of telescoping radio
antennas, a piece of wood, and some rubber bands.

How many telescoping radio antennas have you seen lately? You'd probably
need to find a 1960's car to rip one off of.

,,,,,,,,,,

People in Africa convert certain kinds of break-open 22-cal pellet guns
to fire rimfire ammo. It takes an astonishingly small amount of
modification to do, but as the airgun bore is tighter than a standard
22LR bore, the results are not optimal.

----

Making guns at home is (as noted) a hobby, generally not an economic
advantage.

Lindsay Books has a title on gun drilling and (cut) rifling techniques
if you're really interested.

HeyBub wrote:
Stormin Mormon wrote:
The fellow in the article was building for the joy of
building. And of course, the "kewl" factor. The factories
have been making dependable guns, and many are available
from the military surplus market. With the present trend
toward gun bans and confiscation, there is an appeal to
unnumbered, and unregistered arms. Still, unregistered would
likely disappear in a house to house search.

Some states, like mine, have no gun "registration" laws.

They don't need one , the Feds do it for them . If you purchase a firearm
from a dealer , you fill out a form 4473 (IIRC) , which is supposedly tossed
after the transaction . And if you really think they delete that data and
toss that form , I have a bridge in Brooklyn for sale ...
--
Snag
Learning keeps
you young !

"notbob" wrote in message
...
...
I use a variation on that idea. I have a Vaio desktop with XP which
is my sacrificial M$ lamb. It's dying your typical slow M$ death from
god knows what incursions/exploits and malignancies. ...

nb

I have an extra XP administrative account that never goes on line and sees
all hidden and system files. I use it to periodically clean out
C:\Documents and Settings\{user name}\Local Settings\Temporary Internet
Files\,
also \Temp and \Recent.
to keep the machine running like new.

This is good for showing you the files to remove, not so much for cleaning
them out:
http://www.iobit.com/advancedsystemcareper.html

Cleaning out C:\WINDOWS\Prefetch can speed up booting but be careful, I've
removed too much (with Autoruns) and had to restore a Seagate DiscWizard
backup.

jsw

On 2011-10-13, Snag wrote:
HeyBub wrote:
Stormin Mormon wrote:
The fellow in the article was building for the joy of
building. And of course, the "kewl" factor. The factories
have been making dependable guns, and many are available
from the military surplus market. With the present trend
toward gun bans and confiscation, there is an appeal to
unnumbered, and unregistered arms. Still, unregistered would
likely disappear in a house to house search.

Some states, like mine, have no gun "registration" laws.

They don't need one , the Feds do it for them . If you purchase a firearm
from a dealer , you fill out a form 4473 (IIRC) , which is supposedly tossed
after the transaction . And if you really think they delete that data and
toss that form , I have a bridge in Brooklyn for sale ...

It is not tossed, but kept for at least 10 years.

i

Ignoramus21718 wrote:
On 2011-10-13, Snag wrote:
HeyBub wrote:
Stormin Mormon wrote:
The fellow in the article was building for the joy of
building. And of course, the "kewl" factor. The factories
have been making dependable guns, and many are available
from the military surplus market. With the present trend
toward gun bans and confiscation, there is an appeal to
unnumbered, and unregistered arms. Still, unregistered would
likely disappear in a house to house search.

Some states, like mine, have no gun "registration" laws.

They don't need one , the Feds do it for them . If you purchase a
firearm from a dealer , you fill out a form 4473 (IIRC) , which is
supposedly tossed after the transaction . And if you really think
they delete that data and toss that form , I have a bridge in
Brooklyn for sale ...

It is not tossed, but kept for at least 10 years.

i

Yeah , but when they started all this with GCA '68 , they said that after
you were approved/disapproved the forms would be tossed and that data
deleted . Just another case of the gov't lying to the public , they never
intended to do that .
When they come for your guns , the only ones safe will be those purchased
from private citizens , and those only if they can't find them . And if you
think they'll never come for your guns , I have another bridge in Queens ...
Fortunately , I got rid of all but one bolt action rifle and one handgun ,
and those were kept for hunting purposes only .
--
Snag
Learning keeps
you young !

As I remember, the 4473 is stored on site, until the dealer
goes out of business, and then turned over to the BATFE. The
instant NICS check information is supposed to be checked,
and then purged. Not likely, says me.

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
..


"Snag"
wrote in message ...


Some states, like mine, have no gun "registration" laws.

They don't need one , the Feds do it for them . If you
purchase a firearm
from a dealer , you fill out a form 4473 (IIRC) , which is
supposedly tossed
after the transaction . And if you really think they delete
that data and
toss that form , I have a bridge in Brooklyn for sale ...
--
Snag
Learning keeps
you young !

I hope you got, and kept, reciepts for the sale of any guns
you might have purchased from gun stores. Documenting who
was the purchaser, buying from you. Otherwise, you're the
last person in the chain of ownership.

I'll repost the story of the Belgian Corporal, and you can
see why it's important to be able to prove that you did
transfer the gun to some one else.

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
..


"Snag"
wrote in message ...

It is not tossed, but kept for at least 10 years.

i

Yeah , but when they started all this with GCA '68 , they
said that after
you were approved/disapproved the forms would be tossed and
that data
deleted . Just another case of the gov't lying to the public
, they never
intended to do that .
When they come for your guns , the only ones safe will be
those purchased
from private citizens , and those only if they can't find
them . And if you
think they'll never come for your guns , I have another
bridge in Queens ...
Fortunately , I got rid of all but one bolt action rifle
and one handgun ,
and those were kept for hunting purposes only .
--
Snag
Learning keeps
you young !

THE BELGIAN CORPORAL By Neal Knox

In the summer of 1955, I was a young Texas National
Guard sergeant on active duty at Fort Sill, Oklahoma.
A corporal in my squad was a Belgian-American
named Charles DeNaer. An old man as far as most of
us were concerned, being well over thirty, Charley
commanded a certain amount of our respect, for not
only was he older than the rest of us, he had lived in
Belgium when the Germans rolled across the low
countries by-passing the Maginot Line on their way
into France. He had seen war.

One soft Oklahoma afternoon, sitting on a bunk in the
half-light of an old wooden barracks, he told me his
story.

In Charley's little town in Belgium, there lived an old
man, a gunsmith. The old man was friendly with the
kids and welcomed them to his shop. He had once
been an armorer to the king of Belgium, according
to Charley. He told us of the wonderful guns the old
man had crafted, using only hand tools. There were
double shotguns and fine rifles with beautiful hard
wood stocks and gorgeous engraving and inlay work.
Charley liked the old man and enjoyed looking at the
guns. He often did chores around the shop.

One day the gunsmith sent for Charley. Arriving at
the shop, Charley found the old man carefully
oiling and wrapping guns in oilcloth and paper.
Charley asked what he was doing. The old smith
gestured to a piece of paper on the workbench and
said that an order had come to him to register all of
his guns. He was to list every gun with a description
on a piece of paper and then to send the paper to
the government. The old man had no intention of
complying with the registration law and had
summoned Charley to help him bury the guns at
a railroad crossing. Charley asked why he didn't
simply comply with the order and keep the guns.
The old man, with tears in his eyes, replied to the
boy, "If I register them, they will be taken away. "

A year or two later, the blitzkrieg rolled across the
Low Countries. One day not long after, the war
arrived in Charley's town. A squad of German SS
troops banged on the door of a house that Charley
knew well. The family had twin sons about Charley's
age. The twins were his best friends. The officer
displayed a paper describing a Luger pistol, a relic
of the Great War, and ordered the father to produce
it. That old gun had been lost, stolen, or misplaced
sometime after it had been registered, the father
explained. He did not know where it was.

The officer told the father that he had exactly fifteen
minutes to produce the weapon. The family turned
their home upside down. No pistol. They returned
to the SS officer empty-handed.

The officer gave an order and soldiers herded the
family outside while other troops called the entire
town out into the square. There on the town square
the SS machine-gunned the entire family -- father,
mother, Charley's two friends, their older brother
and a baby sister.

I will never forget the moment. We were sitting on the
bunk on a Saturday afternoon and Charley was crying,
huge tears rolling down his cheeks, making silver dollar
size splotches on the dusty barracks floor.

That was my conversion from a casual gun owner to
one who was determined to prevent such a thing from
ever happening in America.

Later that summer, when I had returned home I went
to the president of the West Texas Sportsman's Club
in Abilene and told him I wanted to be on the legislative
committee. He replied that we didn't have a legislative
committee, but that I was now the chairman.

I, who had never given a thought to gun laws, have
been eyeball deep in the "gun control" fight ever
since.

As the newly-minted Legislative Committee Chairman
of the West Texas Sportsman's club, I set myself to
some research. I had never before read the Second
Amendment, but now noticed that The American
Rifleman published it in its masthead. I was delighted
to learn that the Constitution prohibited laws like
Belgium's. There was no battle to fight, I thought.
We were covered. I have since learned that the words
about a militia and the right of the people to keep and
bear, while important, mean as much to a determined
enemy as the Maginot line did to Hitler.

Rather than depend on the Second Amendment to
protect our gun rights, I've learned that we must
protect the Second Amendment and the precious
rights it recognizes.

- ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------
Permission to reprint or post this article in its entirety
is hereby granted provided this credit is included.
Text is available at www.FirearmsCoalition.org
To receive The Firearms Coalition's bi-monthly
newsletter, The Knox Hard Corps Report, write to
PO Box 3313,
Manassas, VA 20108.


------------------------------------

On 2011-10-13, Jim Wilkins wrote:

I have an extra XP administrative account that never goes on line and sees
all hidden and system files.

This is how all Windows systems should be set up, but rarely are
because ...gasp!.. Windows is NOT easy-to-use by everyone right out of
the box, as Windows users will relentlessly claim. The user accts
--if one is ever set up-- should have few/no priveledges.
Unfortunately, that's not how Windows comes and "intuitively" almost
all users run Windows wide open from the admin acct.

Don't get me started.

nb

"Snag" wrote in
:

HeyBub wrote:
Stormin Mormon wrote:
The fellow in the article was building for the joy of
building. And of course, the "kewl" factor. The factories
have been making dependable guns, and many are available
from the military surplus market. With the present trend
toward gun bans and confiscation, there is an appeal to
unnumbered, and unregistered arms. Still, unregistered would
likely disappear in a house to house search.

Some states, like mine, have no gun "registration" laws.

They don't need one , the Feds do it for them . If you purchase a
firearm
from a dealer , you fill out a form 4473 (IIRC) , which is supposedly
tossed after the transaction . And if you really think they delete
that data and toss that form , I have a bridge in Brooklyn for sale
...

All Form 4473's by law MUST be kept on file by the dealer(Federal Firearms
Licensee,or FFL) who sold you your gun.
if the business closes,the 4473's all go to BATF(F-Troop).

F-Troop is specifically forbidden by law from establishing a gun
registration database.
Of course,they may be violating that by computer-scanning the 4473's they
have in their possession,into a searchable database.

When F-Troop "traces" a gun,they go first to the manufacturer,who gives
them the distributor,who gives them the specific gun dealer(FFL),who then
lets F-Troop check their 4473's for the buyer.(at the store)
If a gun is sold privately or stolen,the trail only leads to the last
recorded 4473. Private sellers are not required to keep records of who they
sold the gun.

Perhaps you are referring to the NICS background check.
That by law is required to be tossed after 24 hrs,and there's no link to a
specific gun sale.

BTW,it's my understanding that if one makes their own firearm,the gun MUST
have a serial number stamped into it.(on the receiver)
you may also need a license to manufacture firearms to be legal.

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
localnet
dot com

"Snag" wrote in
:

Ignoramus21718 wrote:
On 2011-10-13, Snag wrote:
HeyBub wrote:
Stormin Mormon wrote:
The fellow in the article was building for the joy of
building. And of course, the "kewl" factor. The factories
have been making dependable guns, and many are available
from the military surplus market. With the present trend
toward gun bans and confiscation, there is an appeal to
unnumbered, and unregistered arms. Still, unregistered would
likely disappear in a house to house search.

Some states, like mine, have no gun "registration" laws.

They don't need one , the Feds do it for them . If you purchase a
firearm from a dealer , you fill out a form 4473 (IIRC) , which is
supposedly tossed after the transaction . And if you really think
they delete that data and toss that form , I have a bridge in
Brooklyn for sale ...

It is not tossed, but kept for at least 10 years.

sorry,Form 4473's are kept for as long as the business stays in business.
After that,the form 4473's all go to BATF(F-Troop).


i

Yeah , but when they started all this with GCA '68 , they said that
after
you were approved/disapproved the forms would be tossed and that data
deleted . Just another case of the gov't lying to the public , they
never intended to do that .
When they come for your guns , the only ones safe will be those
purchased
from private citizens , and those only if they can't find them . And
if you think they'll never come for your guns , I have another bridge
in Queens ...
Fortunately , I got rid of all but one bolt action rifle and one
handgun ,
and those were kept for hunting purposes only .


have you read Unintended Consequences by John Ross?
fiction,but a lot of good,well-researched info about gun laws and how they
came about.

It's a good read,should be a must-read for any gun owner.

My public library had a copy.


--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
localnet
dot com

DougC wrote:

How many telescoping radio antennas have you seen lately? You'd probably
need to find a 1960's car to rip one off of.


How many do you need? You haven't looked for them.


--
You can't have a sense of humor, if you have no sense.

Snag wrote:
Ignoramus21718 wrote:
On 2011-10-13, Snag wrote:
HeyBub wrote:
Stormin Mormon wrote:
The fellow in the article was building for the joy of
building. And of course, the "kewl" factor. The factories
have been making dependable guns, and many are available
from the military surplus market. With the present trend
toward gun bans and confiscation, there is an appeal to
unnumbered, and unregistered arms. Still, unregistered would
likely disappear in a house to house search.

Some states, like mine, have no gun "registration" laws.

They don't need one , the Feds do it for them . If you purchase a
firearm from a dealer , you fill out a form 4473 (IIRC) , which is
supposedly tossed after the transaction . And if you really think
they delete that data and toss that form , I have a bridge in
Brooklyn for sale ...

It is not tossed, but kept for at least 10 years.

i

Yeah , but when they started all this with GCA '68 , they said that
after you were approved/disapproved the forms would be tossed and
that data deleted . Just another case of the gov't lying to the
public , they never intended to do that .

If you're talking about the NCIS check, the make, model, or serial number is
NOT communicated to the FBI. The purpose of the NCIS check is to check the
BUYER, not the gun.

By law, all inquires must be deleted within 48(?) hours. The Clinton
administration tried to keep them for 90 days and was slapped down. Hard.

Regarding the ATF form 4473, that form is kept in the possession of the
DEALER and is not communicated in any way to the federal government. If, and
only if, the dealer goes out of business, he must box up all his 4473 forms
and send them to the ATF.

When they come for your guns , the only ones safe will be those
purchased from private citizens , and those only if they can't find
them . And if you think they'll never come for your guns , I have
another bridge in Queens ... Fortunately , I got rid of all but one
bolt action rifle and one handgun , and those were kept for hunting
purposes only .

Right. Governments have confiscated guns (that they know about). The city of
New York did it when they implemented the Sullivan Act. The entire state of
California confiscated all registered "assault weapons" in 1999.

On 2011-10-13, HeyBub wrote:

California confiscated all registered "assault weapons" in 1999.

I hadda Valmet Hunter, which evaded laws fer another 6 yrs. Finally
hadda take it to CO and sell it. Better yet, I finally fled CA, my
native state, and moved to CO. The only ppl in CA with guns, now, are
the dirtbags and gangs. They're welcome to it.

nb

I have read that, and it's well worth my time.

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
..


"Jim Yanik" wrote in message
4...

have you read Unintended Consequences by John Ross?
fiction,but a lot of good,well-researched info about gun
laws and how they
came about.

It's a good read,should be a must-read for any gun owner.

My public library had a copy.


--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
localnet
dot com

Hurricane Katrena, in New Orleans, also.

Washington DC, and their gun prohibition.

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
..


"HeyBub" wrote in message
m...

When they come for your guns , the only ones safe will be
those
purchased from private citizens , and those only if they
can't find
them . And if you think they'll never come for your guns ,
I have
another bridge in Queens ... Fortunately , I got rid of
all but one
bolt action rifle and one handgun , and those were kept
for hunting
purposes only .

Right. Governments have confiscated guns (that they know
about). The city of
New York did it when they implemented the Sullivan Act. The
entire state of
California confiscated all registered "assault weapons" in
1999.

notbob wrote:
On 2011-10-13, Jim Wilkins wrote:

I have an extra XP administrative account that never goes on line and sees
all hidden and system files.

This is how all Windows systems should be set up,

but its totally ineffectual as the only item disadvantaged by being
locked out of admin level is users.

On 10/13/2011 10:34 AM, Jim Yanik wrote:

BTW,it's my understanding that if one makes their own firearm,the gun MUST
have a serial number stamped into it.(on the receiver)
you may also need a license to manufacture firearms to be legal.


Nope! You can even sell a gun without a serial number in a private
sale. You may NOT produce a number of guns for the intent of sale. I
have all my paperwork for a FFL license and did all the homework. I
just don't like the fact that BATF can come into my home 24/7 and do a
search, even if my home is not my place of business. My FFL buddy says
they haven't done that to him in 30 years but they CAN do it any time
they want.