Do I remember that BY LAW the congress needs to pass a
budget by some date of the year, but hasn't in how many
years?

Respect for the law is a fading concept.

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
..


"Jim Yanik" wrote in message
4...

All Form 4473's by law MUST be kept on file by the
dealer(Federal Firearms
Licensee,or FFL) who sold you your gun.
if the business closes,the 4473's all go to BATF(F-Troop).

F-Troop is specifically forbidden by law from establishing a
gun
registration database.
Of course,they may be violating that by computer-scanning
the 4473's they
have in their possession,into a searchable database.

When F-Troop "traces" a gun,they go first to the
manufacturer,who gives
them the distributor,who gives them the specific gun
dealer(FFL),who then
lets F-Troop check their 4473's for the buyer.(at the store)
If a gun is sold privately or stolen,the trail only leads to
the last
recorded 4473. Private sellers are not required to keep
records of who they
sold the gun.

Perhaps you are referring to the NICS background check.
That by law is required to be tossed after 24 hrs,and
there's no link to a
specific gun sale.

BTW,it's my understanding that if one makes their own
firearm,the gun MUST
have a serial number stamped into it.(on the receiver)
you may also need a license to manufacture firearms to be
legal.

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
localnet
dot com

Let me guess. They were required BY LAW to turn them in?

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
..


"notbob" wrote in message
...
On 2011-10-13, HeyBub wrote:

California confiscated all registered "assault weapons" in
1999.

I hadda Valmet Hunter, which evaded laws fer another 6 yrs.
Finally
hadda take it to CO and sell it. Better yet, I finally fled
CA, my
native state, and moved to CO. The only ppl in CA with
guns, now, are
the dirtbags and gangs. They're welcome to it.

nb

notbob wrote:

Unfortunately, that's not how Windows comes and "intuitively" almost
all users run Windows wide open from the admin acct.

Well, if you were expecting to get anything done... I have a User account
for software testing. It's a wonder a bottom level user can even get to
their own directory with a locked down UAC.

On 10/13/2011 9:34 AM, Jim Yanik wrote:

BTW,it's my understanding that if one makes their own firearm,the gun MUST
have a serial number stamped into it.(on the receiver)

Nope, no serial # required by the Feds if you make your own gun.

you may also need a license to manufacture firearms to be legal.

Nope, you can make all you want as long as you don't transfer them or
make NFA guns.

David

On Oct 13, 6:05*am, " wrote:
On Oct 12, 11:20*am, notbob wrote:









On 2011-10-12, Snag wrote:

* That's why I use the free stuff . You can build a pretty comprehensive
defense with the right combination of programs . Try SuperAntiSpyware's free
version , it outshines Spybot and AdAware combined - I run both , then SAS
and it catches stuff they both missed , especially trackong cookies .

The best protection you can have, when surfing the web, is to use
Firefox or Seamonkey (Netscape) and add the NoScript plug-in. *This
will stop ALL scripts from being run when you visit a website.
Hackers can't sneak a drive-by download, pop-ups, etc, on your
computer if their intrusive/hostile scripts won't run. *Yes, it will
kill things like java and flash, which you may want, but NoScript (NS)
allows you to re-activate each script, individually, one at a time.
For example, you can allow videos while blocking all Google's numerous
tracking scripts, etc. *It's up to you. *You have complete control.

http://noscript.net/

This is for ultra safe web surfing only. *No protection from stupidly
opening quetionable emails or downloading risky files or vids/images
that may include hidden malicious code. *

nb *

This is the best protection and you can go anywhere.http://www.faronics.com/enterprise/deep-freeze/
My friend used to install it on school computers.
Karl

Sandboxie is a lot cheaper - free.

On 10/13/2011 9:05 PM, Tom Gardner wrote:
On 10/13/2011 10:34 AM, Jim Yanik wrote:

BTW,it's my understanding that if one makes their own firearm,the gun
MUST
have a serial number stamped into it.(on the receiver)
you may also need a license to manufacture firearms to be legal.


Nope! You can even sell a gun without a serial number in a private sale.
You may NOT produce a number of guns for the intent of sale. I have all
my paperwork for a FFL license and did all the homework. I just don't
like the fact that BATF can come into my home 24/7 and do a search, even
if my home is not my place of business. My FFL buddy says they haven't
done that to him in 30 years but they CAN do it any time they want.

I haven't followed the changes in the law for several years, but I
thought they cracked down on 'kitchen table' FFL licenses, and were
requiring a business address and storefront now?

--
aem sends....

Ron wrote:
On Oct 13, 6:05 am, " wrote:
On Oct 12, 11:20 am, notbob wrote:









On 2011-10-12, Snag wrote:
That's why I use the free stuff . You can build a pretty comprehensive
defense with the right combination of programs . Try SuperAntiSpyware's free
version , it outshines Spybot and AdAware combined - I run both , then SAS
and it catches stuff they both missed , especially trackong cookies .
The best protection you can have, when surfing the web, is to use
Firefox or Seamonkey (Netscape) and add the NoScript plug-in. This
will stop ALL scripts from being run when you visit a website.
Hackers can't sneak a drive-by download, pop-ups, etc, on your
computer if their intrusive/hostile scripts won't run. Yes, it will
kill things like java and flash, which you may want, but NoScript (NS)
allows you to re-activate each script, individually, one at a time.
For example, you can allow videos while blocking all Google's numerous
tracking scripts, etc. It's up to you. You have complete control.
http://noscript.net/
This is for ultra safe web surfing only. No protection from stupidly
opening quetionable emails or downloading risky files or vids/images
that may include hidden malicious code.
nb
This is the best protection and you can go anywhere.http://www.faronics.com/enterprise/deep-freeze/
My friend used to install it on school computers.
Karl

Sandboxie is a lot cheaper - free.


Not according to their web site. Says 29 euros +VAT

--
Steve W.

On 10/13/2011 5:57 AM, DougC wrote:
On 10/12/2011 11:50 PM, Steve from Colorado wrote:
On Oct 12, 6:50 am, "Stormin Mormon"
wrote:
Would be nice if I had a garage, and if I had all the
machining tools this fellow already has.

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
.

wrote in message

...
Using tools you may already have (SawStop not required).

http://www.dctechs.com/rifle.htm

You could always make a zip gun like the Puerto Rican gangs used to
make in New York City back in the '60s out of telescoping radio
antennas, a piece of wood, and some rubber bands.

How many telescoping radio antennas have you seen lately? You'd probably
need to find a 1960's car to rip one off of.

,,,,,,,,,,

People in Africa convert certain kinds of break-open 22-cal pellet guns
to fire rimfire ammo. It takes an astonishingly small amount of
modification to do, but as the airgun bore is tighter than a standard
22LR bore, the results are not optimal.

----

1/4" water pipe for 9 mm, .380 and 7.63 NATO, 3/4" for 12 gauge
(according to TM 31 -210 Department of the Army Technical Manual
Improvised Munitions Handbook)


Making guns at home is (as noted) a hobby, generally not an economic
advantage.

Lindsay Books has a title on gun drilling and (cut) rifling techniques
if you're really interested.

On Oct 13, 11:04*pm, "Steve W." wrote:
Ron wrote:
On Oct 13, 6:05 am, " wrote: *
This is the best protection and you can go anywhere.http://www.faronics.com/enterprise/deep-freeze/
My friend used to install it on school computers.
Karl

Sandboxie is a lot cheaper - free.

Not according to their web site. Says 29 euros +VAT

That's news to me. I haven't used in a while, but it looks like it;s
still free.

http://www.filehippo.com/search?q=sandboxie

I think they have a paid and free version.

On Oct 14, 1:06*am, Ron wrote:
On Oct 13, 11:04*pm, "Steve W." wrote:

Ron wrote:
On Oct 13, 6:05 am, " wrote: *
This is the best protection and you can go anywhere.http://www.faronics.com/enterprise/deep-freeze/
My friend used to install it on school computers.
Karl

Sandboxie is a lot cheaper - free.

Not according to their web site. Says 29 euros +VAT

That's news to me. I haven't used in a while, but it looks like it;s
still free.

http://www.filehippo.com/search?q=sandboxie

I think they have a paid and free version.

I just installed it on the laptop that I'm using (from the link above)
and it's working.

Stormin Mormon wrote:

THE BELGIAN CORPORAL By Neal Knox

For starters, it's by Neal Knox, noted NRA dissident. He tried to oust
the NRA leadership because they're too conciliatory.

===========
The old smith gestured to a piece of paper on the workbench and said
that an order had come to him to register all of his guns.

...

A year or two later, the blitzkrieg rolled across the Low Countries.
===========

The Belgian Weapons Law was passed in 1933. The invasion of the Low
Countries and France was in 1940. More importantly, sport and hunting
weapons were not required to be registered until 1990.

=========
The officer displayed a paper describing a Luger pistol, a relic of the
Great War, and ordered the father to produce it. That old gun had been
lost, stolen, or misplaced sometime after it had been registered, the
father explained.
=========

A handgun would have been a "defense weapon" under the 1933 law, and
required a license issued by the local police, not just registration.

Also, while the Germans got pretty nasty about reprisals in western
Europe, this wasn't until later in the war. The first year or so, they
tried to avoid fomenting resistance by being too hard-handed. Gunning
down an entire family in 1940? Didn't happen.

In the Low Countries, Nazi repression didn't get seriously underway
until 1942, when the deportation to Germany of forced laborers resulted
in the first stirrings of active resistance. Even so, atrocities like
the one described didn't start happening until the summer of 1943.

For that matter, this kind of inspection wouldn't have been carried out
by "a squad of SS troops." More likely, it would have been done by
Ordnungspolizei. And yes, somebody in his late teens at the time--as
Cpl. DeNaer supposedly was--would have known the difference.

Here's a quote (translated into english) from the diaries of Paul
Struye, who during the war was the chief editor of the the underground
newspaper La Libre Belgique ("Free Belgium"):

==========
During the first months of the occupation there was truly no hostility
to be detected between the Belgian population and the German army.
It was a pleasant surprise for the Belgians to see the German soldiers,
correct in their deportment, in their attitude. They had nothing in
common with the imperial troops of 1914-1918. Belgium was occupied by an
army in which order and discipline ruled, without atrocities.
==========

Source: http://www.go2war2.nl/artikel/338 / "Resistance in Belgium"

Another thing to bear in mind is that the Germans need not have gained
their information from Belgian government records. Collaborators ratted
on their neighbors in every occupied country, and the Flemish-speaking
part of Belgium in particular had a comparatively high number of them.
All it would have taken was one neighbor holding a grudge who remembered
from before the war that the father had this old German pistol...

Basically, this story is too full of holes to be credible. It's very
moving, yes; it's designed to be, because it's propaganda.

Ron wrote:
On Oct 13, 6:05 am, " wrote:
On Oct 12, 11:20 am, notbob wrote:









On 2011-10-12, Snag wrote:

That's why I use the free stuff . You can build a pretty
comprehensive defense with the right combination of programs . Try
SuperAntiSpyware's free version , it outshines Spybot and AdAware
combined - I run both , then SAS and it catches stuff they both
missed , especially trackong cookies .

The best protection you can have, when surfing the web, is to use
Firefox or Seamonkey (Netscape) and add the NoScript plug-in. This
will stop ALL scripts from being run when you visit a website.
Hackers can't sneak a drive-by download, pop-ups, etc, on your
computer if their intrusive/hostile scripts won't run. Yes, it will
kill things like java and flash, which you may want, but NoScript
(NS) allows you to re-activate each script, individually, one at a
time. For example, you can allow videos while blocking all Google's
numerous tracking scripts, etc. It's up to you. You have complete
control.

http://noscript.net/

This is for ultra safe web surfing only. No protection from stupidly
opening quetionable emails or downloading risky files or vids/images
that may include hidden malicious code.

nb

This is the best protection and you can go
anywhere.http://www.faronics.com/enterprise/deep-freeze/ My friend
used to install it on school computers.
Karl

Sandboxie is a lot cheaper - free.

Oracle VM Virtual Box is also free - and very user-friendly.
http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/se...ads/index.html

Stormin Mormon wrote:
Hurricane Katrena, in New Orleans, also.


At that generated a federal law to prohibit such silliness.

SEC. 706. FIREARMS POLICIES.
(a) PROHIBITION ON CONFISCATION OF FIREARMS.
No officer or employee of the United States (including any member of the
uniformed services), or person operating pursuant to or under color of
Federal law, or receiving Federal funds, or under control of any Federal
official, or providing services to such an officer, employee, or other
person, while acting in support of relief from a major disaster or
emergency, may:
(1) temporarily or permanently seize, or authorize seizure of, any firearm
the possession of which is not prohibited under Federal, State, or local
law, other than for forfeiture in compliance with Federal law or as evidence
in a criminal investigation;
(2) require registration of any firearm for which registration is not
required by Federal, State, or local law;
(3) prohibit possession of any firearm, or promulgate any rule, regulation,
or order prohibiting possession of any firearm, in any place or by any
person where such possession is not otherwise prohibited by Federal, State,
or local law; or
(4) prohibit the carrying of firearms by any person otherwise authorized to
carry firearms under Federal, State, or local law, solely because such
person is operating under the direction, control, or supervision of a
Federal agency in support of relief from the major disaster or emergency.


All states (I think) have statutes regarding "emergency declarations" by the
governor. Under those declarations, most civil liberties can be suspended.
Amongst these are the right to privacy in your own home, the right to
peaceably assemble, the right to buy, sell, possess, or consume alcoholic
beverages, travel, and so on. For example, from Minnesota general statues:

"Orders and rules promulgated by the governor ... when approved by the
Executive Council and filed in the Office of the Secretary of State, have,
during a national security emergency, peacetime emergency, or energy supply
emergency, the full force and effect of law. Rules and ordinances of any
agency or political subdivision of the state inconsistent with the
provisions of this chapter or with any order or rule having the force and
effect of law issued under the authority of this chapter, is suspended
during the period of time and to the extent that the emergency exists."

I hope that the people who enforce (enfarce) laws, obey
thier own laws.

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
..


"HeyBub" wrote in message
m...
Stormin Mormon wrote:
Hurricane Katrena, in New Orleans, also.


At that generated a federal law to prohibit such silliness.

SEC. 706. FIREARMS POLICIES.
(a) PROHIBITION ON CONFISCATION OF FIREARMS.
No officer or employee of the United States (including any
member of the
uniformed services), or person operating pursuant to or
under color of
Federal law, or receiving Federal funds, or under control of
any Federal
official, or providing services to such an officer,
employee, or other
person, while acting in support of relief from a major
disaster or
emergency, may:
(1) temporarily or permanently seize, or authorize seizure
of, any firearm
the possession of which is not prohibited under Federal,
State, or local
law, other than for forfeiture in compliance with Federal
law or as evidence
in a criminal investigation;
(2) require registration of any firearm for which
registration is not
required by Federal, State, or local law;
(3) prohibit possession of any firearm, or promulgate any
rule, regulation,
or order prohibiting possession of any firearm, in any place
or by any
person where such possession is not otherwise prohibited by
Federal, State,
or local law; or
(4) prohibit the carrying of firearms by any person
otherwise authorized to
carry firearms under Federal, State, or local law, solely
because such
person is operating under the direction, control, or
supervision of a
Federal agency in support of relief from the major disaster
or emergency.


All states (I think) have statutes regarding "emergency
declarations" by the
governor. Under those declarations, most civil liberties can
be suspended.
Amongst these are the right to privacy in your own home, the
right to
peaceably assemble, the right to buy, sell, possess, or
consume alcoholic
beverages, travel, and so on. For example, from Minnesota
general statues:

"Orders and rules promulgated by the governor ... when
approved by the
Executive Council and filed in the Office of the Secretary
of State, have,
during a national security emergency, peacetime emergency,
or energy supply
emergency, the full force and effect of law. Rules and
ordinances of any
agency or political subdivision of the state inconsistent
with the
provisions of this chapter or with any order or rule having
the force and
effect of law issued under the authority of this chapter, is
suspended
during the period of time and to the extent that the
emergency exists."

On Oct 13, 9:34*am, Jim Yanik wrote:

All Form 4473's by law MUST be kept on file by the dealer(Federal Firearms
Licensee,or FFL) who sold you your gun.
if the business closes,the 4473's all go to BATF(F-Troop).

Or if your dealer dies.
I used a local FFL who worked from his home to handle my transfers
from out-of-state purchases. Probably bought 10 firearms over 2 years.
Then I found out he had committed suicide.
Guess where my 4473s are now?

Those items in my collection that came in via 4473s are marked as the
first to go as the collection changes.

On Thu, 13 Oct 2011 22:15:05 -0700 (PDT), Ron
wrote:

http://www.filehippo.com/search?q=sandboxie

I think they have a paid and free version.

I just installed it on the laptop that I'm using (from the link above)
and it's working.

Thanks Ron, this is ultra cool.

Lg

On Thu, 13 Oct 2011 15:51:17 -0500, "HeyBub"
wrote:


Regarding the ATF form 4473, that form is kept in the possession of the
DEALER and is not communicated in any way to the federal government. If, and
only if, the dealer goes out of business, he must box up all his 4473 forms
and send them to the ATF.

Unless...an ATF drone comes into the shop and asks to see the records.
He/She/It is allowed to copy any and all information from those forms
and take it with them. The form stays with the dealer...but the
information goes off to LaLa land .

Ive seen it many times. Which is why I DONT as a rule, buy from
gunshops or from people who have already transcribed firearms.

Few..damned few of my "several" arms are recorded anywhere at all.

Gunner

"In the history of mankind, there have always been men and women who's goal
in life is to take down nations. We have just elected such a man to run our
country." - David Lloyyd (2008)

On 13 Oct 2011 21:02:01 GMT, notbob wrote:

On 2011-10-13, HeyBub wrote:

California confiscated all registered "assault weapons" in 1999.

I hadda Valmet Hunter, which evaded laws fer another 6 yrs. Finally
hadda take it to CO and sell it. Better yet, I finally fled CA, my
native state, and moved to CO. The only ppl in CA with guns, now, are
the dirtbags and gangs. They're welcome to it.

nb

Speak for yourself bub.

Gunner, red county of Kern, a very well armed county in California


"In the history of mankind, there have always been men and women who's goal
in life is to take down nations. We have just elected such a man to run our
country." - David Lloyyd (2008)

On Thu, 13 Oct 2011 09:34:28 -0500, Jim Yanik wrote:

When F-Troop "traces" a gun,they go first to the manufacturer,who gives
them the distributor,who gives them the specific gun dealer(FFL),who then
lets F-Troop check their 4473's for the buyer.(at the store)
If a gun is sold privately or stolen,the trail only leads to the last
recorded 4473. Private sellers are not required to keep records of who they
sold the gun.


This depends on state by state.

California...all handgun sales between private parties MUST be done
through a dealer and all data is recorded. From what I
understand...they just enacted a law doing the same for long guns.

No one is paying attention to it for long guns, and few for long
guns..but it is the law here.


"In the history of mankind, there have always been men and women who's goal
in life is to take down nations. We have just elected such a man to run our
country." - David Lloyyd (2008)

On Fri, 14 Oct 2011 07:45:10 -0400, Home Guy wrote:

Stormin Mormon wrote:

THE BELGIAN CORPORAL By Neal Knox

For starters, it's by Neal Knox, noted NRA dissident. He tried to oust
the NRA leadership because they're too conciliatory.

===========
The old smith gestured to a piece of paper on the workbench and said
that an order had come to him to register all of his guns.

...

A year or two later, the blitzkrieg rolled across the Low Countries.
===========

The Belgian Weapons Law was passed in 1933. The invasion of the Low
Countries and France was in 1940. More importantly, sport and hunting
weapons were not required to be registered until 1990.

=========
The officer displayed a paper describing a Luger pistol, a relic of the
Great War, and ordered the father to produce it. That old gun had been
lost, stolen, or misplaced sometime after it had been registered, the
father explained.
=========

A handgun would have been a "defense weapon" under the 1933 law, and
required a license issued by the local police, not just registration.

Also, while the Germans got pretty nasty about reprisals in western
Europe, this wasn't until later in the war. The first year or so, they
tried to avoid fomenting resistance by being too hard-handed. Gunning
down an entire family in 1940? Didn't happen.

In the Low Countries, Nazi repression didn't get seriously underway
until 1942, when the deportation to Germany of forced laborers resulted
in the first stirrings of active resistance. Even so, atrocities like
the one described didn't start happening until the summer of 1943.

For that matter, this kind of inspection wouldn't have been carried out
by "a squad of SS troops." More likely, it would have been done by
Ordnungspolizei. And yes, somebody in his late teens at the time--as
Cpl. DeNaer supposedly was--would have known the difference.

Here's a quote (translated into english) from the diaries of Paul
Struye, who during the war was the chief editor of the the underground
newspaper La Libre Belgique ("Free Belgium"):

==========
During the first months of the occupation there was truly no hostility
to be detected between the Belgian population and the German army.
It was a pleasant surprise for the Belgians to see the German soldiers,
correct in their deportment, in their attitude. They had nothing in
common with the imperial troops of 1914-1918. Belgium was occupied by an
army in which order and discipline ruled, without atrocities.
==========

Source: http://www.go2war2.nl/artikel/338 / "Resistance in Belgium"

Another thing to bear in mind is that the Germans need not have gained
their information from Belgian government records. Collaborators ratted
on their neighbors in every occupied country, and the Flemish-speaking
part of Belgium in particular had a comparatively high number of them.
All it would have taken was one neighbor holding a grudge who remembered
from before the war that the father had this old German pistol...

Basically, this story is too full of holes to be credible. It's very
moving, yes; it's designed to be, because it's propaganda.

And is it any less noteworthy as a lesson?

Gunner

"In the history of mankind, there have always been men and women who's goal
in life is to take down nations. We have just elected such a man to run our
country." - David Lloyyd (2008)

Gunner Asch wrote:
On Thu, 13 Oct 2011 09:34:28 -0500, Jim Yanik
wrote:

When F-Troop "traces" a gun,they go first to the manufacturer,who
gives them the distributor,who gives them the specific gun
dealer(FFL),who then lets F-Troop check their 4473's for the
buyer.(at the store)
If a gun is sold privately or stolen,the trail only leads to the last
recorded 4473. Private sellers are not required to keep records of
who they sold the gun.


This depends on state by state.

California...all handgun sales between private parties MUST be done
through a dealer and all data is recorded. From what I
understand...they just enacted a law doing the same for long guns.


"No, Mr California Agent, you can't see the gun." (door closes)

(A few days pass. Mr Agent returns with all kinds of official-looking
papers)

"No, Mr California Agent, I don't have the gun. A few years ago, I drove to
Nevada and sold it to another Californian. We met in the parking lot of a
Stop & Rob bodega and did the deal. We are law-abiding people so we
specifically made the exchange out-of-state." (door closes)

Gunner Asch used improper usenet message composition style by
unnecessarily full-quoting:

THE BELGIAN CORPORAL By Neal Knox

Basically, this story is too full of holes to be credible. It's
very moving, yes; it's designed to be, because it's propaganda.

And is it any less noteworthy as a lesson?

A lesson in what?

That it's bad to have a gov't gun registry when your country is invaded
and occupied by Germany?

You think that's ever gonna happen in the US?

A generation ago, I'd not have believed it. Now, I say "uh,
huh" and it's another common occurence.

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
..


wrote in message
...

SWAT team from ATF shows up, door disappears in a cloud of
smoke,
several people inside are shot. There is an investigation
but nothing
comes of it. (case closes)

On 2011-10-15, Gunner Asch wrote:

Speak for yourself bub.

Of course I'm speaking for myself.

Having been born and lived, length and breadth, in CA most of my 64
yrs, I know when I'm standing knee deep in **** and when to climb out.

Gunner, red county of Kern, a very well armed county in California

Sheeeet, boy! BTDT. Spent the first 5 yrs of my life in Bakersfield.
It was a ******** way back then.

nb

On Sat, 15 Oct 2011 10:57:58 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 15 Oct 2011 06:39:05 -0500, "HeyBub"
wrote:

Gunner Asch wrote:
On Thu, 13 Oct 2011 09:34:28 -0500, Jim Yanik
wrote:

When F-Troop "traces" a gun,they go first to the manufacturer,who
gives them the distributor,who gives them the specific gun
dealer(FFL),who then lets F-Troop check their 4473's for the
buyer.(at the store)
If a gun is sold privately or stolen,the trail only leads to the last
recorded 4473. Private sellers are not required to keep records of
who they sold the gun.


This depends on state by state.

California...all handgun sales between private parties MUST be done
through a dealer and all data is recorded. From what I
understand...they just enacted a law doing the same for long guns.


"No, Mr California Agent, you can't see the gun." (door closes)

(A few days pass. Mr Agent returns with all kinds of official-looking
papers)

"No, Mr California Agent, I don't have the gun. A few years ago, I drove to
Nevada and sold it to another Californian. We met in the parking lot of a
Stop & Rob bodega and did the deal. We are law-abiding people so we
specifically made the exchange out-of-state." (door closes)


SWAT team from ATF shows up, door disappears in a cloud of smoke,
several people inside are shot.

"Whadaya mean, 2345 *2nd* street!"

There is an investigation but nothing
comes of it. (case closes)

On 15 Oct 2011 15:14:02 GMT, notbob wrote:

On 2011-10-15, Gunner Asch wrote:

Speak for yourself bub.

Of course I'm speaking for myself.

Having been born and lived, length and breadth, in CA most of my 64
yrs, I know when I'm standing knee deep in **** and when to climb out.

Gunner, red county of Kern, a very well armed county in California

Sheeeet, boy! BTDT. Spent the first 5 yrs of my life in Bakersfield.
It was a ******** way back then.

nb

But its a very heavily armed and very Red ******** VBG

And we dont much like Leftwingers of any sort.

With the oil and the Ag...we can simply close off the Grapevine..and
keep on keeping on.

Which is a very nice idea, if push comes to shove.

VBG

Gunner

"In the history of mankind, there have always been men and women who's goal
in life is to take down nations. We have just elected such a man to run our
country." - David Lloyyd (2008)

On 2011-10-15, Gunner Asch wrote:

With the oil and the Ag...we can simply close off the Grapevine..and
keep on keeping on.

And if NorCal finally cuts off/limits all that insanely subsidized ag
water, the whole red/armed county will dry up and and blow away,
reverting back to the barren hellhole it actually is.

nb

Gunner Asch wrote:

With the oil and the Ag...we can simply close off the Grapevine..and
keep on keeping on.

Now, if you could close off the road to Fresno on the other side...

wrote:
This depends on state by state.

California...all handgun sales between private parties MUST be done
through a dealer and all data is recorded. From what I
understand...they just enacted a law doing the same for long guns.


"No, Mr California Agent, you can't see the gun." (door closes)

(A few days pass. Mr Agent returns with all kinds of official-looking
papers)

"No, Mr California Agent, I don't have the gun. A few years ago, I
drove to Nevada and sold it to another Californian. We met in the
parking lot of a Stop & Rob bodega and did the deal. We are
law-abiding people so we specifically made the exchange
out-of-state." (door closes)


SWAT team from ATF shows up, door disappears in a cloud of smoke,
several people inside are shot. There is an investigation but nothing
comes of it. (case closes)

ATF suffers more casualties than it did a Waco. Army is called in. Army
refuses to fire on American citizens, hoses down remaining ATF agents
instead. News at eleven.

On 15 Oct 2011 18:41:32 GMT, notbob wrote:

On 2011-10-15, Gunner Asch wrote:

With the oil and the Ag...we can simply close off the Grapevine..and
keep on keeping on.

And if NorCal finally cuts off/limits all that insanely subsidized ag
water, the whole red/armed county will dry up and and blow away,
reverting back to the barren hellhole it actually is.

nb

We will simply trade NorCal oil/fuel for their water. So Cal has little
we need...so its no biggy.

Simple, no?

And all those Leftwing cocksuckers in So Cal...the Peoples Republik of
Santa Monica etc etc etc...will all dry up and blow away.

Works for us..works for us nicely.

Gunner

"In the history of mankind, there have always been men and women who's goal
in life is to take down nations. We have just elected such a man to run our
country." - David Lloyyd (2008)

On Sat, 15 Oct 2011 13:32:34 -0600, robert bowman
wrote:

Gunner Asch wrote:

With the oil and the Ag...we can simply close off the Grapevine..and
keep on keeping on.

Now, if you could close off the road to Fresno on the other side...

Why? Fresno is Ag Central


"In the history of mankind, there have always been men and women who's goal
in life is to take down nations. We have just elected such a man to run our
country." - David Lloyyd (2008)

Gunner Asch wrote:

On 15 Oct 2011 18:41:32 GMT, notbob wrote:

On 2011-10-15, Gunner Asch wrote:

With the oil and the Ag...we can simply close off the Grapevine..and
keep on keeping on.

And if NorCal finally cuts off/limits all that insanely subsidized ag
water, the whole red/armed county will dry up and and blow away,
reverting back to the barren hellhole it actually is.

nb

We will simply trade NorCal oil/fuel for their water. So Cal has little
we need...so its no biggy.

Simple, no?

And all those Leftwing cocksuckers in So Cal...the Peoples Republik of
Santa Monica etc etc etc...will all dry up and blow away.

Works for us..works for us nicely.


Tell them that drinking sea water is good for their complexion.

--
You can't have a sense of humor, if you have no sense.

Gunner Asch wrote:


We will simply trade NorCal oil/fuel for their water. So Cal has little
we need...so its no biggy.

That's so cute, you think you are not in So Cal..., or are perhaps in
central cal. That water come from Central cal.
[Not Northern California]

But ignoring that, what you call SoCAl also has oil, and can probably
pay more for the water.

jk

On 10/15/2011 9:37 PM, jk wrote:

Gunner Asch wrote:


We will simply trade NorCal oil/fuel for their water. So Cal has little
we need...so its no biggy.

That's so cute, you think you are not in So Cal..., or are perhaps in
central cal. That water come from Central cal.
[Not Northern California]

But ignoring that, what you call SoCAl also has oil, and can probably
pay more for the water.

jk

gunner is filled with hate and bitterness, he doesn't understand
economics, money, ethics or much else - he is better ignored, as are
those who cannot form a sentence without using obscenities and insults -
there was a time when I would pity these poor souls, but I'm not sure
they are worth the effort, or that they have a soul left. It is just
sad, may they find peace.


--
For a $5 dollar donation today you get credit for $10 with HIM

On 15 Oct 2011 18:41:32 GMT, notbob wrote:

On 2011-10-15, Gunner Asch wrote:

With the oil and the Ag...we can simply close off the Grapevine..and
keep on keeping on.

And if NorCal finally cuts off/limits all that insanely subsidized ag
water, the whole red/armed county will dry up and and blow away,
reverting back to the barren hellhole it actually is.

nb

Oh..as a matter of fact...Cent Cal...has paid 100% for its water in the
last 3 yrs. And only got 65% of the water. Seems the State
redistributed the paid for water...to other parties.



"In the history of mankind, there have always been men and women who's goal
in life is to take down nations. We have just elected such a man to run our
country." - David Lloyyd (2008)

a friend wrote:

On 10/15/2011 9:37 PM, jk wrote:

Gunner Asch wrote:


We will simply trade NorCal oil/fuel for their water. So Cal has little
we need...so its no biggy.

That's so cute, you think you are not in So Cal..., or are perhaps in
central cal. That water come from Central cal.
[Not Northern California]

But ignoring that, what you call SoCAl also has oil, and can probably
pay more for the water.

jk

gunner is filled with hate and bitterness, he doesn't understand
economics, money, ethics or much else


Have you ever looked in a mirror?


--
You can't have a sense of humor, if you have no sense.

On Sat, 15 Oct 2011 21:37:04 -0700, jk wrote:


Gunner Asch wrote:


We will simply trade NorCal oil/fuel for their water. So Cal has little
we need...so its no biggy.

That's so cute, you think you are not in So Cal..., or are perhaps in
central cal. That water come from Central cal.
[Not Northern California]

Ayup..I live in Central California. Which extends to the top of the
Grapevine to the south..and extends to the latitude of San Fran. Its
composed of the following counties

Fresno
Kern
Kings
Madera
Mariposa
Merced
Monterey
San Benito
Stanislaus
Tulare
Tuolumne


But ignoring that, what you call SoCAl also has oil, and can probably
pay more for the water.

jk
Sure does. Though Long Beach is being shut down by the Leftards as are
most of the off shore wells if the Greenies get their way.

So the oil in So Cal will remain..but the Leftards/Greenies wont let em
pump it.

Which is one of the reasons the move to break California into 2 or 3
seperate states is becoming really popular

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/wash...upervisor.html

It never surprises me how ****ing stupid/ignorant you leftwingers are
about politics in general. Its actually pitiful how you display it.

Gunner

"In the history of mankind, there have always been men and women who's goal
in life is to take down nations. We have just elected such a man to run our
country." - David Lloyyd (2008)

On Sat, 15 Oct 2011 22:14:46 -0700, a friend
wrote:

On 10/15/2011 9:37 PM, jk wrote:

Gunner Asch wrote:


We will simply trade NorCal oil/fuel for their water. So Cal has little
we need...so its no biggy.

That's so cute, you think you are not in So Cal..., or are perhaps in
central cal. That water come from Central cal.
[Not Northern California]

But ignoring that, what you call SoCAl also has oil, and can probably
pay more for the water.

jk

gunner is filled with hate and bitterness,

No..sorry..Im not a Leftwinger.

You boys are not doing very well.

Shrug..but then..Leftwingers are mentally ill and stupid.

Gunner

"In the history of mankind, there have always been men and women who's goal
in life is to take down nations. We have just elected such a man to run our
country." - David Lloyyd (2008)

Gunner Asch wrote:

Oh..as a matter of fact...Cent Cal...has paid 100% for its water in the
last 3 yrs. And only got 65% of the water. Â*Seems the State
redistributed the paid for water...to other parties.

Cheer up; you could live over in the Owens Valley.

Gunner Asch wrote:

Ayup..I live in Central California. Â*Which extends to the top of the
Grapevine to the south..and extends to the latitude of San Fran. Â*Its
composed of the following counties

I always figured I was leaving Central California when I had to start
shifting gears...