I want to put a network jack and a telephone jack in the same
location. Does a CAT6 cable have enough wires for me to do this or
do I have to run a CAT3 cable too? Thank you in advance for all
replies.
--
When I am in the kitchen, I often kick one of my cat's balls.
After I kick it, he will sometimes play with it for a few
seconds to several minutes. His favorite are the ones that
rattle. He'll play with any ball that makes noise.

On Mar 8, 7:09*am, Daniel Prince wrote:
I want to put a network jack and a telephone jack in the same
location. *Does a CAT6 cable have enough wires for me to do this or
do I have to run a CAT3 cable too? *Thank you in advance for all
replies.
--
When I am in the kitchen, I often kick one of my cat's balls.
After I kick it, he will sometimes play with it for a few
seconds to several minutes. *His favorite are the ones that
rattle. *He'll play with any ball that makes noise.

Cat6 has enough wires but personally I'd run two cables. I'd be
worried that the ring signal would generate crosstalk.

On Mar 8, 8:01*am, jamesgangnc wrote:
On Mar 8, 7:09*am, Daniel Prince wrote:

I want to put a network jack and a telephone jack in the same
location. *Does a CAT6 cable have enough wires for me to do this or
do I have to run a CAT3 cable too? *Thank you in advance for all
replies.
--
When I am in the kitchen, I often kick one of my cat's balls.
After I kick it, he will sometimes play with it for a few
seconds to several minutes. *His favorite are the ones that
rattle. *He'll play with any ball that makes noise.

Cat6 has enough wires but personally I'd run two cables. *I'd be
worried that the ring signal would generate crosstalk.

And AFAIK it's perfectly acceptable to run two Cat6 rather than use
old school phone wire - that is, Cat6 works fine as phone cable. That
way the cables can be repurposed for phone and/or network just by
changing the jack and punchdown at each end. (assuming, of course,
that the phone and network are both terminated in the same area and/or
a "structured wiring" panel.)

If I were wiring a new house, I think I'd put in a SW panel in the
basement, then run two Cat6 and two RG-6 to each room. That way I'd
have phone, network, cable, and antenna available everywhere.

nate

On 3/8/2011 7:09 AM, Daniel Prince wrote:
I want to put a network jack and a telephone jack in the same
location. Does a CAT6 cable have enough wires for me to do this or
do I have to run a CAT3 cable too? Thank you in advance for all
replies.

The idea of split pairs isn't used much anymore. For various reasons
including both gigabit Ethernet and PoE use the formally spare pairs.

On Mar 8, 7:09*am, Daniel Prince wrote:
I want to put a network jack and a telephone jack in the same
location. *Does a CAT6 cable have enough wires for me to do this or
do I have to run a CAT3 cable too? *Thank you in advance for all
replies.
--
When I am in the kitchen, I often kick one of my cat's balls.
After I kick it, he will sometimes play with it for a few
seconds to several minutes. *His favorite are the ones that
rattle. *He'll play with any ball that makes noise.

I use the same CAT 5 cable for both phone and data in my house. Data
only uses two pairs, phone gets a pair I used to run a fax machine on
it too. Never had a problem.

Jimmie

On Tue, 8 Mar 2011 05:01:39 -0800 (PST), jamesgangnc
wrote:

On Mar 8, 7:09*am, Daniel Prince wrote:
I want to put a network jack and a telephone jack in the same
location. *Does a CAT6 cable have enough wires for me to do this or
do I have to run a CAT3 cable too? *Thank you in advance for all
replies.
--
When I am in the kitchen, I often kick one of my cat's balls.
After I kick it, he will sometimes play with it for a few
seconds to several minutes. *His favorite are the ones that
rattle. *He'll play with any ball that makes noise.

Cat6 has enough wires but personally I'd run two cables. I'd be
worried that the ring signal would generate crosstalk.

Second

Daniel Prince wrote in
:

I want to put a network jack and a telephone jack in the same
location. Does a CAT6 cable have enough wires for me to do this or
do I have to run a CAT3 cable too? Thank you in advance for all
replies.



No problems mixing signals over CAT5 or 6. Our office is wired exactly that
way; CAT5/6 handles voice, fax, and data just dandy, all at the same time,
and all in the same cables.

Additionally, if you look at larger installations, all cables of all kinds
are often zip-tied into a single bundle. So evidently the pro's don't have
any issues with interference either.

--
Tegger

On Mar 8, 10:38*am, JIMMIE wrote:
On Mar 8, 7:09*am, Daniel Prince wrote:

I want to put a network jack and a telephone jack in the same
location. *Does a CAT6 cable have enough wires for me to do this or
do I have to run a CAT3 cable too? *Thank you in advance for all
replies.
--
When I am in the kitchen, I often kick one of my cat's balls.
After I kick it, he will sometimes play with it for a few
seconds to several minutes. *His favorite are the ones that
rattle. *He'll play with any ball that makes noise.

I use the same CAT 5 cable for both phone and data in my house. Data
only uses two pairs, phone gets a *pair I used to run a fax machine on
it too. Never had a problem.

"Data only uses two pairs" I believe that is only true for 10BaseT
and 100BaseT - if you are using gigabit ethernet - and I would assume
that the OP is, or is planning on it sometime in the future, otherwise
he wouldn't be spending the extra $$ for Cat6 - that will use all four
pairs.

nate

On 3/8/2011 11:40 AM, Tegger wrote:
Daniel wrote in
:

I want to put a network jack and a telephone jack in the same
location. Does a CAT6 cable have enough wires for me to do this or
do I have to run a CAT3 cable too? Thank you in advance for all
replies.



No problems mixing signals over CAT5 or 6. Our office is wired exactly that
way; CAT5/6 handles voice, fax, and data just dandy, all at the same time,
and all in the same cables.

Additionally, if you look at larger installations, all cables of all kinds
are often zip-tied into a single bundle. So evidently the pro's don't have
any issues with interference either.


It has to do with the varying twist of the pairs. When I run a
certification test on network cables, the separate pairs check
out at different lengths then I get an average length from the
test equipment. If you run a Cat6 Gigabit connection, all four
pairs are used for the data as opposed to only two pair when a
10/100 connection is used. Good wiring practice demands that no
cable ties are cinched real tight on any network cables or bundles
of network cables. Sharp bends in Cat5/6 can also alter the signal
capabilities of the network cables. I can test a length of network
cable with my certifier, get a good reading then make a sharp 90°
bend in the cable and it will fail the test.

TDD

On Mar 8, 2:28*pm, The Daring Dufas
wrote:
On 3/8/2011 11:40 AM, Tegger wrote:









Daniel *wrote in
:

I want to put a network jack and a telephone jack in the same
location. *Does a CAT6 cable have enough wires for me to do this or
do I have to run a CAT3 cable too? *Thank you in advance for all
replies.

No problems mixing signals over CAT5 or 6. Our office is wired exactly that
way; CAT5/6 handles voice, fax, and data just dandy, all at the same time,
and all in the same cables.

Additionally, if you look at larger installations, all cables of all kinds
are often zip-tied into a single bundle. So evidently the pro's don't have
any issues with interference either.

It has to do with the varying twist of the pairs. When I run a
certification test on network cables, the separate pairs check
out at different lengths then I get an average length from the
test equipment. If you run a Cat6 Gigabit connection, all four
pairs are used for the data as opposed to only two pair when a
10/100 connection is used. Good wiring practice demands that no
cable ties are cinched real tight on any network cables or bundles
of network cables. Sharp bends in Cat5/6 can also alter the signal
capabilities of the network cables. I can test a length of network
cable with my certifier, get a good reading then make a sharp 90
bend in the cable and it will fail the test.

TDD

Yeah, when I put mine in I never dreamed of gigabit though-put. Still
cant see it in a home installation. Where I work if we need more than
what CAT 5 can handle we go to fiber.

Jimmie

The Daring Dufas wrote in
:


It has to do with the varying twist of the pairs. When I run a
certification test on network cables, the separate pairs check
out at different lengths then I get an average length from the
test equipment. If you run a Cat6 Gigabit connection, all four
pairs are used for the data as opposed to only two pair when a
10/100 connection is used. Good wiring practice demands that no
cable ties are cinched real tight on any network cables or bundles
of network cables. Sharp bends in Cat5/6 can also alter the signal
capabilities of the network cables. I can test a length of network
cable with my certifier, get a good reading then make a sharp 90°
bend in the cable and it will fail the test.



I've seen many large-company installations with cable ties reefed as tight
as they'll go, and with sharp bends around corners. I've often wondered if
their employees have network problems.


--
Tegger

On 3/8/2011 6:05 PM, Tegger wrote:
The Daring wrote in
:


It has to do with the varying twist of the pairs. When I run a
certification test on network cables, the separate pairs check
out at different lengths then I get an average length from the
test equipment. If you run a Cat6 Gigabit connection, all four
pairs are used for the data as opposed to only two pair when a
10/100 connection is used. Good wiring practice demands that no
cable ties are cinched real tight on any network cables or bundles
of network cables. Sharp bends in Cat5/6 can also alter the signal
capabilities of the network cables. I can test a length of network
cable with my certifier, get a good reading then make a sharp 90°
bend in the cable and it will fail the test.



I've seen many large-company installations with cable ties reefed as tight
as they'll go, and with sharp bends around corners. I've often wondered if
their employees have network problems.


Often they don't even realize it. The mechanism built into network
interfaces to correct data errors is pretty robust. So often "see it
works" is declared when something is plugged in and they can ping some
other device not realizing how crappy the throughput is because of the
amount of error correction needed.

On 3/8/2011 12:40 PM, Tegger wrote:
Daniel wrote in
:

I want to put a network jack and a telephone jack in the same
location. Does a CAT6 cable have enough wires for me to do this or
do I have to run a CAT3 cable too? Thank you in advance for all
replies.



No problems mixing signals over CAT5 or 6. Our office is wired exactly that
way; CAT5/6 handles voice, fax, and data just dandy, all at the same time,
and all in the same cables.

Additionally, if you look at larger installations, all cables of all kinds
are often zip-tied into a single bundle. So evidently the pro's don't have
any issues with interference either.


Often the "pros" really aren't. A lot of these cabling companies pay
walmart wages to anyone they can get who can throw stuff in. Best I ever
saw was a cable guy from one of the local name brand high priced places
pulling a run and he ran out of cable so he stripped the ends of that
cable and a new roll and twisted them together and threw them above the
suspended ceiling.

The other famous one is to crimp RJ-45 plugs onto solid wire which of
course will yield a "see it works" moment with plenty of fun for those
to follow. Then others will look at it and think that is how it should
be done and then go off and replicate it elsewhere.

George wrote in
:

Best I ever saw was a cable guy from one of the local name brand high
priced places pulling a run and he ran out of cable so he stripped the
ends of that cable and a new roll and twisted them together and threw
them above the suspended ceiling.



Let me guess... he used to install automotive audio equipment, right?


--
Tegger

On 3/8/2011 5:05 PM, Tegger wrote:
The Daring wrote in
:


It has to do with the varying twist of the pairs. When I run a
certification test on network cables, the separate pairs check
out at different lengths then I get an average length from the
test equipment. If you run a Cat6 Gigabit connection, all four
pairs are used for the data as opposed to only two pair when a
10/100 connection is used. Good wiring practice demands that no
cable ties are cinched real tight on any network cables or bundles
of network cables. Sharp bends in Cat5/6 can also alter the signal
capabilities of the network cables. I can test a length of network
cable with my certifier, get a good reading then make a sharp 90°
bend in the cable and it will fail the test.



I've seen many large-company installations with cable ties reefed as tight
as they'll go, and with sharp bends around corners. I've often wondered if
their employees have network problems.



Me and a helper spent 6 hours 50 feet in the air at a Sam's Club one
night so we could trace out a fiber optic cable from the second floor
server room at the front of the huge store all the way to the back so
we could find a switch that corporate IT had no idea of its location.
From the switch we had to find a wireless access point 320 feet away
on a Cat5 cable to troubleshoot it. All that trouble was caused by a
goober improperly installing an RJ45 plug 50 feet in the air! I find
silly crap all the time that keeps a network from communicating. My
favorite is when somebody tries to see how far they can stretch a Cat5
cable. Pull it hard enough and it will stretch, it kind of messes up
the impedance of the cable but they made it fit. :-)

TDD

On 3/8/2011 6:19 PM, George wrote:
On 3/8/2011 12:40 PM, Tegger wrote:
Daniel wrote in
:

I want to put a network jack and a telephone jack in the same
location. Does a CAT6 cable have enough wires for me to do this or
do I have to run a CAT3 cable too? Thank you in advance for all
replies.



No problems mixing signals over CAT5 or 6. Our office is wired exactly
that
way; CAT5/6 handles voice, fax, and data just dandy, all at the same
time,
and all in the same cables.

Additionally, if you look at larger installations, all cables of all
kinds
are often zip-tied into a single bundle. So evidently the pro's don't
have
any issues with interference either.


Often the "pros" really aren't. A lot of these cabling companies pay
walmart wages to anyone they can get who can throw stuff in. Best I ever
saw was a cable guy from one of the local name brand high priced places
pulling a run and he ran out of cable so he stripped the ends of that
cable and a new roll and twisted them together and threw them above the
suspended ceiling.

The other famous one is to crimp RJ-45 plugs onto solid wire which of
course will yield a "see it works" moment with plenty of fun for those
to follow. Then others will look at it and think that is how it should
be done and then go off and replicate it elsewhere.

There are two different RJ series plugs I have in stock, the clear for
stranded wire though most will work just fine on solid and smoky gray
which are specifically made for solid wire. I sell phone systems too
so I often put RJ11, RJ14 and RJ25 plugs on solid wire when wiring some
backboards.

TDD

TDD

On Mar 8, 12:40*pm, Tegger wrote:
Daniel Prince wrote :

I want to put a network jack and a telephone jack in the same
location. *Does a CAT6 cable have enough wires for me to do this or
do I have to run a CAT3 cable too? *Thank you in advance for all
replies.

No problems mixing signals over CAT5 or 6. Our office is wired exactly that
way; CAT5/6 handles voice, fax, and data just dandy, all at the same time,
and all in the same cables.

Additionally, if you look at larger installations, all cables of all kinds
are often zip-tied into a single bundle. So evidently the pro's don't have
any issues with interference either.

--
Tegger

You sure your phones are not voip? Old school ringer voltage is
around 90vac 20 hertz. Depending on the distance from the repeater a
lot of voltage can get lost on the line but not always. I'd rather
have that at least a few insulation layers away from the data twisted
pairs.

On 3/8/2011 8:20 PM, The Daring Dufas wrote:
On 3/8/2011 6:19 PM, George wrote:
On 3/8/2011 12:40 PM, Tegger wrote:
Daniel wrote in
:

I want to put a network jack and a telephone jack in the same
location. Does a CAT6 cable have enough wires for me to do this or
do I have to run a CAT3 cable too? Thank you in advance for all
replies.



No problems mixing signals over CAT5 or 6. Our office is wired exactly
that
way; CAT5/6 handles voice, fax, and data just dandy, all at the same
time,
and all in the same cables.

Additionally, if you look at larger installations, all cables of all
kinds
are often zip-tied into a single bundle. So evidently the pro's don't
have
any issues with interference either.


Often the "pros" really aren't. A lot of these cabling companies pay
walmart wages to anyone they can get who can throw stuff in. Best I ever
saw was a cable guy from one of the local name brand high priced places
pulling a run and he ran out of cable so he stripped the ends of that
cable and a new roll and twisted them together and threw them above the
suspended ceiling.

The other famous one is to crimp RJ-45 plugs onto solid wire which of
course will yield a "see it works" moment with plenty of fun for those
to follow. Then others will look at it and think that is how it should
be done and then go off and replicate it elsewhere.

There are two different RJ series plugs I have in stock, the clear for
stranded wire though most will work just fine on solid and smoky gray
which are specifically made for solid wire. I sell phone systems too
so I often put RJ11, RJ14 and RJ25 plugs on solid wire when wiring some
backboards.

TDD

TDD

Depends what "works fine" means. One of the biggest failure items I see
is plugs crimped onto solid wire. If it moves use stranded wire. If
fixed you use solid. The phone companies and others arrived at that
conclusion quickly for very good reasons a long time ago. For good
reason standard practice for premise wiring is to punch horizontal
wiring down and then use a patch cable made with stranded wire to
connect whatever network device is involved.

On 3/9/2011 8:00 AM, George wrote:
On 3/8/2011 8:20 PM, The Daring Dufas wrote:
On 3/8/2011 6:19 PM, George wrote:
On 3/8/2011 12:40 PM, Tegger wrote:
Daniel wrote in
:

I want to put a network jack and a telephone jack in the same
location. Does a CAT6 cable have enough wires for me to do this or
do I have to run a CAT3 cable too? Thank you in advance for all
replies.



No problems mixing signals over CAT5 or 6. Our office is wired exactly
that
way; CAT5/6 handles voice, fax, and data just dandy, all at the same
time,
and all in the same cables.

Additionally, if you look at larger installations, all cables of all
kinds
are often zip-tied into a single bundle. So evidently the pro's don't
have
any issues with interference either.


Often the "pros" really aren't. A lot of these cabling companies pay
walmart wages to anyone they can get who can throw stuff in. Best I ever
saw was a cable guy from one of the local name brand high priced places
pulling a run and he ran out of cable so he stripped the ends of that
cable and a new roll and twisted them together and threw them above the
suspended ceiling.

The other famous one is to crimp RJ-45 plugs onto solid wire which of
course will yield a "see it works" moment with plenty of fun for those
to follow. Then others will look at it and think that is how it should
be done and then go off and replicate it elsewhere.

There are two different RJ series plugs I have in stock, the clear for
stranded wire though most will work just fine on solid and smoky gray
which are specifically made for solid wire. I sell phone systems too
so I often put RJ11, RJ14 and RJ25 plugs on solid wire when wiring some
backboards.

TDD

TDD

Depends what "works fine" means. One of the biggest failure items I see
is plugs crimped onto solid wire. If it moves use stranded wire. If
fixed you use solid. The phone companies and others arrived at that
conclusion quickly for very good reasons a long time ago. For good
reason standard practice for premise wiring is to punch horizontal
wiring down and then use a patch cable made with stranded wire to
connect whatever network device is involved.


That's why I buy 1000 foot rolls of silver satin flat stranded phone
cord. I can make my own phone cords, patch cords and jumpers. :-)

TDD

On 3/8/2011 7:28 PM, Tegger wrote:
wrote in
:

Best I ever saw was a cable guy from one of the local name brand high
priced places pulling a run and he ran out of cable so he stripped the
ends of that cable and a new roll and twisted them together and threw
them above the suspended ceiling.



Let me guess... he used to install automotive audio equipment, right?


Or maybe security systems...

"Jeff Thies" wrote in message ...

A quick Google search yields a morass. Any products or places to buy?


A friend of mine put a system from this company into his house and loves it.
He's a former hi-fi dealer so he's fairly picky, but he has no complaints
with this system at least for casual listening (the in-wall speakers aren't
up to the standards of his main audio rig). He ripped all his CDs and other
sources in Apple Lossless format to a computer he uses as a music server.
The remote control is cool, it's like an iPod and he can dial up whatever
music he's in the mood for in whatever room he's in, at least until his wife
wants to hear something different.

http://www.sonos.com/

I never wanted music in more than two rooms, so I just ran really heavy
speaker wire (none of that name-brand audiophile nonsense) from the stereo
downstairs up to the bedroom. The run wasnt all that long and I wasn't
looking for high volume upstairs so that worked fine. I had a little Sony
power amp that drove the upstairs speakers so I didn't even need to mess
with a switch, just power down the main amps and power up the amp for the
bedroom speakers and that was that.

On Mar 9, 4:55*pm, "DGDevin" wrote:
"Jeff Thies" *wrote in ...
* A quick Google search yields a morass. Any products or places to buy?

A friend of mine put a system from this company into his house and loves it.
He's a former hi-fi dealer so he's fairly picky, but he has no complaints
with this system at least for casual listening (the in-wall speakers aren't
up to the standards of his main audio rig). *He ripped all his CDs and other
sources in Apple Lossless format to a computer he uses as a music server.
The remote control is cool, it's like an iPod and he can dial up whatever
music he's in the mood for in whatever room he's in, at least until his wife
wants to hear something different.

http://www.sonos.com/

I never wanted music in more than two rooms, so I just ran really heavy
speaker wire (none of that name-brand audiophile nonsense) from the stereo
downstairs up to the bedroom. *The run wasn’t all that long and I wasn't
looking for high volume upstairs so that worked fine. *I had a little Sony
power amp that drove the upstairs speakers so I didn't even need to mess
with a switch, just power down the main amps and power up the amp for the
bedroom speakers and that was that.

My only suggestion would be to avoid apple's proprientary formats.
While a few other vendors are supporting them they are not supported
by everyone. If you stick to the non-proprientary formats you can
copy the music back to just about any device. If you ripped it form
cds it will not have any licensing content. Ipods and Itunes are both
capable of using the non-apple formats as well. You just have to
change the default.