The old knob on the side entry door has been sticking so I decided to
replace it with a lever style doorknob, which would make it easier for
my wife to open the door when she's carrying seed trays from the grow
table in the laundry room to the greenhouse. So I picked up a Schlage
lever style unit at Home Depot yesterday evening and replaced the old
one with it. Easy job, four screws, took very little time.

When it was installed, I noticed a major flaw in the design. When the
door is locked, you can open it from the inside just by depressing the
inside lever, no need to fiddle with the inner lock/unlock switch on
the inside. However, the door still stays locked! So if you depress
the lever, walk outside and shut the door behind you, you're locked
out.

The simple solution, of course, is to be sure to unlock the door from
the inside before going out, but I can see that if someone is in a
hurry or preoccupied with other thoughts they could easily forget.
Seems like a bad design to me; they should have made it so that
depressing the inside lever unlocks the door. I'm going to return this
one and look for one that takes manual unlocking before it opens.

Paul

Kwikset is your brand. Needs to be unlocked to exit. I've
locked myself out of customers homes, when they had Schlage
knobs or levers.

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
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"Pavel314" wrote in message
...
The old knob on the side entry door has been sticking so I
decided to
replace it with a lever style doorknob, which would make it
easier for
my wife to open the door when she's carrying seed trays from
the grow
table in the laundry room to the greenhouse. So I picked up
a Schlage
lever style unit at Home Depot yesterday evening and
replaced the old
one with it. Easy job, four screws, took very little time.

When it was installed, I noticed a major flaw in the design.
When the
door is locked, you can open it from the inside just by
depressing the
inside lever, no need to fiddle with the inner lock/unlock
switch on
the inside. However, the door still stays locked! So if you
depress
the lever, walk outside and shut the door behind you, you're
locked
out.

The simple solution, of course, is to be sure to unlock the
door from
the inside before going out, but I can see that if someone
is in a
hurry or preoccupied with other thoughts they could easily
forget.
Seems like a bad design to me; they should have made it so
that
depressing the inside lever unlocks the door. I'm going to
return this
one and look for one that takes manual unlocking before it
opens.

Paul

"Stormin Mormon" wrote in message
...
Kwikset is your brand. Needs to be unlocked to exit. I've
locked myself out of customers homes, when they had Schlage
knobs or levers.

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org



Kwikset is junk. Had a house full of them. Schlage is quality, thats what
we have now. You need to be smarter than the door knob. ww
.


"Pavel314" wrote in message
...
The old knob on the side entry door has been sticking so I
decided to
replace it with a lever style doorknob, which would make it
easier for
my wife to open the door when she's carrying seed trays from
the grow
table in the laundry room to the greenhouse. So I picked up
a Schlage
lever style unit at Home Depot yesterday evening and
replaced the old
one with it. Easy job, four screws, took very little time.

When it was installed, I noticed a major flaw in the design.
When the
door is locked, you can open it from the inside just by
depressing the
inside lever, no need to fiddle with the inner lock/unlock
switch on
the inside. However, the door still stays locked! So if you
depress
the lever, walk outside and shut the door behind you, you're
locked
out.

The simple solution, of course, is to be sure to unlock the
door from
the inside before going out, but I can see that if someone
is in a
hurry or preoccupied with other thoughts they could easily
forget.
Seems like a bad design to me; they should have made it so
that
depressing the inside lever unlocks the door. I'm going to
return this
one and look for one that takes manual unlocking before it
opens.

Paul

On 2/16/2011 6:26 AM, Pavel314 wrote:
The old knob on the side entry door has been sticking so I decided to
replace it with a lever style doorknob, which would make it easier for
my wife to open the door when she's carrying seed trays from the grow
table in the laundry room to the greenhouse. So I picked up a Schlage
lever style unit at Home Depot yesterday evening and replaced the old
one with it. Easy job, four screws, took very little time.

When it was installed, I noticed a major flaw in the design. When the
door is locked, you can open it from the inside just by depressing the
inside lever, no need to fiddle with the inner lock/unlock switch on
the inside. However, the door still stays locked! So if you depress
the lever, walk outside and shut the door behind you, you're locked
out.

The simple solution, of course, is to be sure to unlock the door from
the inside before going out, but I can see that if someone is in a
hurry or preoccupied with other thoughts they could easily forget.
Seems like a bad design to me; they should have made it so that
depressing the inside lever unlocks the door. I'm going to return this
one and look for one that takes manual unlocking before it opens.

Paul

I've got one, I like it but it is a concern as I've locked myself out a
couple of times. Good reason to keep a key hidden outside. Can't blame
you for returning it.

The residential Schlage knob locks, they changed
the cylinder design about five years ago. Have you
tried rekeying the new Schlage? Just awful. I think
the residential Schlages are much worse than
Kwikset. Of course, Kwikset has Titan, and
Ultramax line now, which are heavier, and better
made.

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
..


"WW" wrote in message
...

Kwikset is junk. Had a house full of them. Schlage
is quality, thats what we have now. You need to be
smarter than the door knob. ww

I didn't mention in my original complaint that the keys didn't open
the lock. There were two brass keys and one grey one, which I assume
is what they mean by the "blue" rekeying key. That didn't work
either.

On Feb 16, 3:35*pm, "Stormin Mormon"
wrote:
The residential Schlage knob locks, they changed
the cylinder design about five years ago. Have you
tried rekeying the new Schlage? Just awful. I think
the residential Schlages are much worse than
Kwikset. Of course, Kwikset has Titan, and
Ultramax line now, which are heavier, and better
made.

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
*www.lds.org
.

"WW" wrote in message

...

Kwikset is junk. Had a house full of them. *Schlage
is quality, thats what we have now. You need to be
smarter than the door knob. *ww

We still don't know what brand that is, the old lock.

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
..


"Pavel314" wrote in message
...
I didn't mention in my original complaint that the keys
didn't open
the lock. There were two brass keys and one grey one, which
I assume
is what they mean by the "blue" rekeying key. That didn't
work
either.

On Feb 16, 4:17*pm, Pavel314 wrote:
I didn't mention in my original complaint that the keys didn't open
the lock. There were two brass keys and one grey one, which I assume
is what they mean by the "blue" rekeying key. That didn't work
either.

On Feb 16, 3:35*pm, "Stormin Mormon"

wrote:
The residential Schlage knob locks, they changed
the cylinder design about five years ago. Have you
tried rekeying the new Schlage? Just awful. I think
the residential Schlages are much worse than
Kwikset. Of course, Kwikset has Titan, and
Ultramax line now, which are heavier, and better
made.

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
*www.lds.org
.

"WW" wrote in message

...

Kwikset is junk. Had a house full of them. *Schlage
is quality, thats what we have now. You need to be
smarter than the door knob. *ww


Yeah, didn't work because with Schlage Smart Key you need to
have two "blue" keys to re-key the lock... The one the lock is
currently keyed up to and one for the new key that you want to
re-key the lock TO... Me thinks you don't have a "blue" key for
the existing key bitting the rest of the locks on your house use
if they weren't also Smart Key locks...

You will never find them at Home Depot or Lowe's, but I find that
Grade 2 Arrow locks with the Schlage C keyway are far superior
in durability than anything Schlage sells for residential use, and
with Arrow you won't be locking yourself out...

~~ Evan

On Feb 16, 9:40*pm, Evan wrote:
On Feb 16, 4:17*pm, Pavel314 wrote:





I didn't mention in my original complaint that the keys didn't open
the lock. There were two brass keys and one grey one, which I assume
is what they mean by the "blue" rekeying key. That didn't work
either.

On Feb 16, 3:35*pm, "Stormin Mormon"

wrote:
The residential Schlage knob locks, they changed
the cylinder design about five years ago. Have you
tried rekeying the new Schlage? Just awful. I think
the residential Schlages are much worse than
Kwikset. Of course, Kwikset has Titan, and
Ultramax line now, which are heavier, and better
made.

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
*www.lds.org
.

"WW" wrote in message

...

Kwikset is junk. Had a house full of them. *Schlage
is quality, thats what we have now. You need to be
smarter than the door knob. *ww

Yeah, didn't work because with Schlage Smart Key you need to
have two "blue" keys to re-key the lock... *The one the lock is
currently keyed up to and one for the new key that you want to
re-key the lock TO... *Me thinks you don't have a "blue" key for
the existing key bitting the rest of the locks on your house use
if they weren't also Smart Key locks...

You will never find them at Home Depot or Lowe's, but I find that
Grade 2 Arrow locks with the Schlage C keyway are far superior
in durability than anything Schlage sells for residential use, and
with Arrow you won't be locking yourself out...

~~ Evan- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I lubricated the old unit with graphite lock lube and put it back in.
The wife finds it usable although she really likes the lever style.
I'll take the Schlage back to HD and get a Kwikset lever unit.

On Feb 16, 10:17*pm, Pavel314 wrote:
On Feb 16, 9:40*pm, Evan wrote:



On Feb 16, 4:17*pm, Pavel314 wrote:

I didn't mention in my original complaint that the keys didn't open
the lock. There were two brass keys and one grey one, which I assume
is what they mean by the "blue" rekeying key. That didn't work
either.

On Feb 16, 3:35*pm, "Stormin Mormon"

wrote:
The residential Schlage knob locks, they changed
the cylinder design about five years ago. Have you
tried rekeying the new Schlage? Just awful. I think
the residential Schlages are much worse than
Kwikset. Of course, Kwikset has Titan, and
Ultramax line now, which are heavier, and better
made.

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
*www.lds.org
.

"WW" wrote in message

...

Kwikset is junk. Had a house full of them. *Schlage
is quality, thats what we have now. You need to be
smarter than the door knob. *ww

Yeah, didn't work because with Schlage Smart Key you need to
have two "blue" keys to re-key the lock... *The one the lock is
currently keyed up to and one for the new key that you want to
re-key the lock TO... *Me thinks you don't have a "blue" key for
the existing key bitting the rest of the locks on your house use
if they weren't also Smart Key locks...

You will never find them at Home Depot or Lowe's, but I find that
Grade 2 Arrow locks with the Schlage C keyway are far superior
in durability than anything Schlage sells for residential use, and
with Arrow you won't be locking yourself out...

~~ Evan- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I lubricated the old unit with graphite lock lube and put it back in.
The wife finds it usable although she really likes the lever style.
I'll take the Schlage back to HD and get a Kwikset lever unit.


The trick with graphite is to use just a tiny bit as opposed to
packing the lock with it... Too much graphite in a lock then
spray in WD-40 and you have a mud which will harden and
cause issues...

I like Tri-Flow for use as a lock lubricant personally...

~~ Evan

On Feb 16, 6:26*am, Pavel314 wrote:
The old knob on the side entry door has been sticking so I decided to
replace it with a lever style doorknob, which would make it easier for
my wife to open the door when she's carrying seed trays from the grow
table in the laundry room to the greenhouse. So I picked up a Schlage
lever style unit at Home Depot yesterday evening and replaced the old
one with it. Easy job, four screws, took very little time.

When it was installed, I noticed a major flaw in the design. When the
door is locked, you can open it from the inside just by depressing the
inside lever, no need to fiddle with the inner lock/unlock switch on
the inside. However, the door still stays locked! So if you depress
the lever, walk outside and shut the door behind you, you're locked
out.

The simple solution, of course, is to be sure to unlock the door from
the inside before going out, but I can see that if someone is in a
hurry or preoccupied with other thoughts they could easily forget.
Seems like a bad design to me; they should have made it so that
depressing the inside lever unlocks the door. I'm going to return this
one and look for one that takes manual unlocking before it opens.

Paul

Get an electronic push button lock and you won't ever get locked out
unless you forget the code.

I keep a key in the car in case the batteries die, but...

1 - The batteries don't just "die", they slow down the throw of the
cylinder long before death so you have a warning.
2 - The garage door push button is on the same code, so they would
both have to fail at the same time in order for me to be locked out.

In article
,
Pavel314 wrote:

The old knob on the side entry door has been sticking so I decided to
replace it with a lever style doorknob, which would make it easier for
my wife to open the door when she's carrying seed trays from the grow
table in the laundry room to the greenhouse. So I picked up a Schlage
lever style unit at Home Depot yesterday evening and replaced the old
one with it. Easy job, four screws, took very little time.

When it was installed, I noticed a major flaw in the design. When the
door is locked, you can open it from the inside just by depressing the
inside lever, no need to fiddle with the inner lock/unlock switch on
the inside. However, the door still stays locked! So if you depress
the lever, walk outside and shut the door behind you, you're locked
out.

The simple solution, of course, is to be sure to unlock the door from
the inside before going out, but I can see that if someone is in a
hurry or preoccupied with other thoughts they could easily forget.
Seems like a bad design to me; they should have made it so that
depressing the inside lever unlocks the door. I'm going to return this
one and look for one that takes manual unlocking before it opens.

Paul

You can call it a bug, or you can call it a feature. Fumbling with those
goofy knob locks is annoying to me, so I never use them anyway.

But it seems counterproductive to your purpose - making it easier for
your wife to get out one-handed - to have a lock such as the one you say
you want.

On Thu, 17 Feb 2011 05:25:11 -0800, Smitty Two
wrote:



You can call it a bug, or you can call it a feature. Fumbling with those
goofy knob locks is annoying to me, so I never use them anyway.

But it seems counterproductive to your purpose - making it easier for
your wife to get out one-handed - to have a lock such as the one you say
you want.

My wife wants a lever knob.
Not for getting out, but for getting in with a load of shopping.
Door opens inward too. That's where the lever makes sense.
Hit it with an elbow and push with shoulder or knee.
Makes little sense when you have to pull on it.
No way we would buy a lockset that wants to lock us out.
I'm going to tell her about that so she'll stop bugging me.

--Vic

On Feb 17, 8:25*am, Smitty Two wrote:
In article
,





*Pavel314 wrote:
The old knob on the side entry door has been sticking so I decided to
replace it with a lever style doorknob, which would make it easier for
my wife to open the door when she's carrying seed trays from the grow
table in the laundry room to the greenhouse. So I picked up a Schlage
lever style unit at Home Depot yesterday evening and replaced the old
one with it. Easy job, four screws, took very little time.

When it was installed, I noticed a major flaw in the design. When the
door is locked, you can open it from the inside just by depressing the
inside lever, no need to fiddle with the inner lock/unlock switch on
the inside. However, the door still stays locked! So if you depress
the lever, walk outside and shut the door behind you, you're locked
out.

The simple solution, of course, is to be sure to unlock the door from
the inside before going out, but I can see that if someone is in a
hurry or preoccupied with other thoughts they could easily forget.
Seems like a bad design to me; they should have made it so that
depressing the inside lever unlocks the door. I'm going to return this
one and look for one that takes manual unlocking before it opens.

Paul

You can call it a bug, or you can call it a feature. Fumbling with those
goofy knob locks is annoying to me, so I never use them anyway.

But it seems counterproductive to your purpose - making it easier for
your wife to get out one-handed - to have a lock such as the one you say
you want.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

She would unlock the door in the morning then be able to go in and out
all day. We think that the effort of one unlocking per day offsets the
risk of a lockout.

In article
,
Pavel314 wrote:

She would unlock the door in the morning then be able to go in and out
all day. We think that the effort of one unlocking per day offsets the
risk of a lockout.

Got it. Without hidden keys, I'd be SOL. Use my hidden house key and my
hidden car key at least once per month. Either lock myself out of work,
or drive to work without my work keys at least every 2-3 months.

In article ,
"Stormin Mormon" wrote:

Many types of clothing have pockets. Put a spare set of keys
in a pocket.

The reason the keys get left behind is, I absolutely hate having things
in my pockets. I haven't carried a wallet for 20 years, and keys in my
pocket drive me nuts.

In article
,
N8N wrote:

On Feb 17, 12:54*pm, Smitty Two wrote:
In article
,

*Pavel314 wrote:
She would unlock the door in the morning then be able to go in and out
all day. We think that the effort of one unlocking per day offsets the
risk of a lockout.

Got it. Without hidden keys, I'd be SOL. Use my hidden house key and my
hidden car key at least once per month. Either lock myself out of work,
or drive to work without my work keys at least every 2-3 months.

I must be the only person who puts his keys in his pocket as soon as
he gets dressed in the morning. I think the last time I managed to
lock myself out was something like 7 years ago, and I still don't
remember why I didn't have my keys on me. Fortunately jimmying the
latch back with a library card was trivial. (not my house, rental.
Kwikset.)

nate

See my reply to Stormy. I carry one loose house key, one loose car key,
and the ring of other home keys and the ring of shop keys never, ever,
ever get put in my pocket.

I'll admit, I've never heard of that. Wonder if you're in
the DSM-IIIR? I bet you have your own page.

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
..


"Smitty Two" wrote in message
news In article ,
"Stormin Mormon"
wrote:

Many types of clothing have pockets. Put a spare set of
keys
in a pocket.

The reason the keys get left behind is, I absolutely hate
having things
in my pockets. I haven't carried a wallet for 20 years, and
keys in my
pocket drive me nuts.

You're an odd one, for sure.

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
..


"Smitty Two" wrote in message
news
I carry one loose house key, one loose car key,
and the ring of other home keys and the ring of shop keys
never, ever,
ever get put in my pocket.

In article ,
"Stormin Mormon" wrote:

I'll admit, I've never heard of that. Wonder if you're in
the DSM-IIIR? I bet you have your own page.

Yeah, the page before mine is for an old co-worker of mine who carried a
jar of Taster's Choice in one front pants pocket, and a coffee cup in
the other. Worked all day like that.

And of course the page after mine details the psychological disorder
characterized by top-posting.

Top posting. That's a condition characterized by desire to
make it easier to find the new text? Rather than making
people scroll through miles of chicken scratches, cascades,
and quoted text?

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
..


"Smitty Two" wrote in message
news In article ,
"Stormin Mormon"
wrote:

I'll admit, I've never heard of that. Wonder if you're in
the DSM-IIIR? I bet you have your own page.

Yeah, the page before mine is for an old co-worker of mine
who carried a
jar of Taster's Choice in one front pants pocket, and a
coffee cup in
the other. Worked all day like that.

And of course the page after mine details the psychological
disorder
characterized by top-posting.

In article ,
"Stormin Mormon" wrote:

Top posting. That's a condition characterized by desire to
make it easier to find the new text? Rather than making
people scroll through miles of chicken scratches, cascades,
and quoted text?


Sorry, but your logic is flawed. If *you* don't want to scroll, then
*others* would have to top-post. You're the one top-posting, so perhaps
you think you're being magnanimous, but if fact, the rest of us would
rather scroll (or have you trim appropriately) than have you screw up
thread continuity by top-posting.

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