Hi,

Bought a package of those electrical plastic tie-wraps at HD.
The kind they sell, mainly, for wrapping around a cable bundle to hold
them together.

But, they are useful for a zillion other purposes, too.

Tried to wrap them around a fence post to hold some reflective markers on.

They fractured immediately.

Guess the plastic they use can't take to cold.
But it should; only about 20 deg F out there, which really isn't all
that bad.

Anyone else ever experience this ?

Bob

"Bob" wrote in message
...
Hi,

Bought a package of those electrical plastic tie-wraps at HD.
The kind they sell, mainly, for wrapping around a cable bundle to hold
them together.

But, they are useful for a zillion other purposes, too.

Tried to wrap them around a fence post to hold some reflective markers on.

They fractured immediately.

Guess the plastic they use can't take to cold.
But it should; only about 20 deg F out there, which really isn't all that
bad.

Anyone else ever experience this ?

Bob

I don't know about that problem, but if you are going to use them outside,
get the black ones that are rated to be UV resistant. The white ones will
not last very long in the sun.
They may be other colors than black that are UV resistant,but I don't know
right off hand.

Bob wrote:

Guess the plastic they use can't take to cold.
But it should; only about 20 deg F out there, which really isn't all
that bad.

Anyone else ever experience this ?

Yes - the Harbor Freight ties are similar. The trick is to find nylon ties and
not plastic ones, but that's not always easy.

In article ,
Bob wrote:

Hi,

Bought a package of those electrical plastic tie-wraps at HD.
The kind they sell, mainly, for wrapping around a cable bundle to hold
them together.

But, they are useful for a zillion other purposes, too.

Tried to wrap them around a fence post to hold some reflective markers on.

They fractured immediately.

Guess the plastic they use can't take to cold.
But it should; only about 20 deg F out there, which really isn't all
that bad.

Anyone else ever experience this ?

Bob

I use these by the thousands in various sizes and strengths. Even the
least expensive ties are rated to minus 40 continuous. Maybe HD sells
junk.

Tyton brand tie wrap main page:

http://www.hellermanntyton.us/products.aspx?cat=56

Tyton brand tie wrap least expensive basic tie specs:

http://www.hellermanntyton.us/produc...px?lon=T18R9M4

I usually buy tie wraps from Allied Electronics, on the web at
alliedelec.com

On 12/21/2010 12:13 PM, Robert Neville wrote:
wrote:

Guess the plastic they use can't take to cold.
But it should; only about 20 deg F out there, which really isn't all
that bad.

Anyone else ever experience this ?

Yes - the Harbor Freight ties are similar. The trick is to find nylon ties and
not plastic ones, but that's not always easy.

Ahem, nylon is plastic

On 2010-12-21, Smitty Two wrote:

I usually buy tie wraps from Allied Electronics, on the web at
alliedelec.com

Lordy! ...are they still with us? Haven't thought of them since I
perused their wish-books for Knight ham gear, as a kid.

nb

"notbob" wrote in message
...
On 2010-12-21, Smitty Two wrote:

I usually buy tie wraps from Allied Electronics, on the web at
alliedelec.com

Lordy! ...are they still with us? Haven't thought of them since I
perused their wish-books for Knight ham gear, as a kid.

nb

That wasn't Allied Electronics, it was 'ALLIED RADIO', which was bought
out by Tandy (Radio Shack) about 1954. I really liked Allied Radio in
Chicago -
they had a good catalog. What was your ham tag? I was W5??, but I was
never very active, too busy making a living and raising a family back in the
1950's.

Bob-tx

On 12/21/2010 10:54 AM Bob-tx spake thus:

"notbob" wrote in message
...

On 2010-12-21, Smitty Two wrote:

I usually buy tie wraps from Allied Electronics, on the web at
alliedelec.com

Lordy! ...are they still with us? Haven't thought of them since I
perused their wish-books for Knight ham gear, as a kid.

That wasn't Allied Electronics, it was 'ALLIED RADIO', which was bought
out by Tandy (Radio Shack) about 1954. I really liked Allied Radio in
Chicago -

Yep. I grew up reading the Allied catalog from cover to cover and
hanging out in the local store (Evanston, Ill.). And that line was
called "Knight-Kit", which I guess was their response to Heathkit; you
could buy them either in kit form or assembled.

I seem to remember that for a short time after being swallowed up by
Tandy that they were called "Allied Radio Shack", though I can't be
sure. Even in those days Radio Shack was clearly third-rate, much more
limited than Allied (or Lafayette, or any of the other electronics lines
available).

I'm sitting next to an Allied receiver that runs my computer sound.
Still working after being bought--*used*--in 1975. (I had to replace one
transistor in the preamp section about 15 years ago.)


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who stands to make his point, then removes his hearing aid as a sign
that he is not going to hear any rebuttals.

Bob wrote in
:

Hi,

Bought a package of those electrical plastic tie-wraps at HD.
The kind they sell, mainly, for wrapping around a cable bundle to hold
them together.

But, they are useful for a zillion other purposes, too.

Tried to wrap them around a fence post to hold some reflective markers
on.

They fractured immediately.



They were probably old ones, then. They degrade and get brittle when they
get old.

I second the use of the black-colored ties.



--
Tegger

On 2010-12-21, Bob-tx No wrote:

they had a good catalog. What was your ham tag?

I never did the ham thing. My buddy did, but I turned left at rock
and roll and guitars and amps and joined a band. Guess who is
starting all over again, joined ARRL, and even learning morse code.
Yer never too old.

nb

On 12/21/2010 10:50 AM, Bob wrote:
Hi,

Bought a package of those electrical plastic tie-wraps at HD.
The kind they sell, mainly, for wrapping around a cable bundle to hold
them together.

But, they are useful for a zillion other purposes, too.

Tried to wrap them around a fence post to hold some reflective markers on.

They fractured immediately.

Guess the plastic they use can't take to cold.
But it should; only about 20 deg F out there, which really isn't all
that bad.

Anyone else ever experience this ?

Bob

Yes, big box cable ties are junk. If you want good quality ties go to a
real supply house and buy say ty-rap brand:

http://www.tnb.com/ps/pubint/index.cgi?a=get_sub&cid=2

On 12/21/2010 2:30 PM, Tegger wrote:
wrote in
:

Hi,

Bought a package of those electrical plastic tie-wraps at HD.
The kind they sell, mainly, for wrapping around a cable bundle to hold
them together.

But, they are useful for a zillion other purposes, too.

Tried to wrap them around a fence post to hold some reflective markers
on.

They fractured immediately.



They were probably old ones, then. They degrade and get brittle when they
get old.

Good ones don't.


I second the use of the black-colored ties.

On 12/21/2010 2:30 PM, Tegger wrote:
wrote in
:

Hi,

Bought a package of those electrical plastic tie-wraps at HD.
The kind they sell, mainly, for wrapping around a cable bundle to hold
them together.

But, they are useful for a zillion other purposes, too.

Tried to wrap them around a fence post to hold some reflective markers
on.

They fractured immediately.



They were probably old ones, then. They degrade and get brittle when they
get old.

I second the use of the black-colored ties.


At first black ones were UV resistant, and they were labeled that way.
Don't judge them by color, many black ones made now are not
UV-resistant. Read the label to find UV-resistant ones.

On Dec 21, 7:50*am, Bob wrote:
Hi,

Bought a package of those electrical plastic tie-wraps at HD.
The kind they sell, mainly, for wrapping around a cable bundle to hold
them together.

But, they are useful for a zillion other purposes, too.

Tried to wrap them around a fence post to hold some reflective markers on..

They fractured immediately.

Guess the plastic they use can't take to cold.
But it should; only about 20 deg F out there, which really isn't all
that bad.

Anyone else ever experience this ?

Bob

Yes-

Check country of origin.

My buddy gets his at HD or HF and they are typically from China.
The material looks crappy; chalky & rough

I get mine from McMaster in various colors & they come in bags labeled
Made in USA.
For ~3 to $7 per hundred depending on size, I figure the Made in USA
are worth it, they've never fractured or cracked.

cheers
Bob

"David Nebenzahl" wrote in message
.com...
On 12/21/2010 10:54 AM Bob-tx spake thus:

"notbob" wrote in message
...

On 2010-12-21, Smitty Two wrote:

I usually buy tie wraps from Allied Electronics, on the web at
alliedelec.com

Lordy! ...are they still with us? Haven't thought of them since I
perused their wish-books for Knight ham gear, as a kid.

That wasn't Allied Electronics, it was 'ALLIED RADIO', which was bought
out by Tandy (Radio Shack) about 1954. I really liked Allied Radio in
Chicago -

Yep. I grew up reading the Allied catalog from cover to cover and hanging
out in the local store (Evanston, Ill.). And that line was called
"Knight-Kit", which I guess was their response to Heathkit; you could buy
them either in kit form or assembled.

I seem to remember that for a short time after being swallowed up by Tandy
that they were called "Allied Radio Shack", though I can't be sure. Even
in those days Radio Shack was clearly third-rate, much more limited than
Allied (or Lafayette, or any of the other electronics lines available).

I'm sitting next to an Allied receiver that runs my computer sound. Still
working after being bought--*used*--in 1975. (I had to replace one
transistor in the preamp section about 15 years ago.)

All that talk brings back memories. I had all the catalogs, despite the fact
that I lived in Canada and most US companies wanted nothing to do with
Canadian customers. If my parents had some money, I probably would have been
an electrical engineer, but I also had problems with math. Ended up in
printing, designing and creating business forms, which really sharpened my
math skills, as forms for early computer printers had to work with odd-ball
font and line spacing, while still creating all the preprinted information
on the forms. It was a living.

Frank wrote:

Yes - the Harbor Freight ties are similar. The trick is to find nylon ties and
not plastic ones, but that's not always easy.

Ahem, nylon is plastic

Point taken. Should have said UV resistent nylon over other generic
alternatives...

Smitty Two wrote:

Maybe HD sells
junk.

That would seem to be the case. HD now carries their house brand
"Commercial Electric" cable ties and they appear to not be nylon. Lowe's
still carries name brand nylon cable ties the last time I looked.

On 12/21/2010 4:08 PM, EXT wrote:

"David Nebenzahl" wrote in message
.com...
On 12/21/2010 10:54 AM Bob-tx spake thus:

"notbob" wrote in message
...

On 2010-12-21, Smitty Two wrote:

I usually buy tie wraps from Allied Electronics, on the web at
alliedelec.com

Lordy! ...are they still with us? Haven't thought of them since I
perused their wish-books for Knight ham gear, as a kid.

That wasn't Allied Electronics, it was 'ALLIED RADIO', which was bought
out by Tandy (Radio Shack) about 1954. I really liked Allied Radio in
Chicago -

Yep. I grew up reading the Allied catalog from cover to cover and
hanging out in the local store (Evanston, Ill.). And that line was
called "Knight-Kit", which I guess was their response to Heathkit; you
could buy them either in kit form or assembled.

I seem to remember that for a short time after being swallowed up by
Tandy that they were called "Allied Radio Shack", though I can't be
sure. Even in those days Radio Shack was clearly third-rate, much more
limited than Allied (or Lafayette, or any of the other electronics
lines available).

I'm sitting next to an Allied receiver that runs my computer sound.
Still working after being bought--*used*--in 1975. (I had to replace
one transistor in the preamp section about 15 years ago.)

All that talk brings back memories. I had all the catalogs, despite the
fact that I lived in Canada and most US companies wanted nothing to do
with Canadian customers. If my parents had some money, I probably would
have been an electrical engineer, but I also had problems with math.
Ended up in printing, designing and creating business forms, which
really sharpened my math skills, as forms for early computer printers
had to work with odd-ball font and line spacing, while still creating
all the preprinted information on the forms. It was a living.

Oh yea! You did it old school. I worked with a guy who owned a company
that produced ink for offset printers. He had developed a waterless ink
for offset printers and I designed and built a cooling and
humidification unit for his process because the ink needed to stay cool
in order to perform and it also needed a touch of humidity. We took it
an industry show and some printing companies and even discussed it with
some guys from AB Dick. My friend dropped dead of a heart attack while
watching a football one afternoon. The project died along with him.

TDD

I think black only. And should say UV resistant on the
label.

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
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"Ralph Mowery" wrote in message
...

I don't know about that problem, but if you are going to use
them outside,
get the black ones that are rated to be UV resistant. The
white ones will
not last very long in the sun.
They may be other colors than black that are UV
resistant,but I don't know
right off hand.

"Bob" wrote in message ...

Hi,

Bought a package of those electrical plastic tie-wraps at HD.
The kind they sell, mainly, for wrapping around a cable bundle to hold
them together.

But, they are useful for a zillion other purposes, too.

Tried to wrap them around a fence post to hold some reflective markers on.

They fractured immediately.

Guess the plastic they use can't take to cold.
But it should; only about 20 deg F out there, which really isn't all
that bad.

Anyone else ever experience this ?

Bob

----------------


I'm in Canada and I use Gardner-Bender "Military" grade 7" ties. They are
pricey but long lasting. Use them for Xmas lights all around my fencing and
around my 2 storey home and trees. Last in the heat and the cold.

On 12/21/2010 2:47 PM The Daring Dufas spake thus:

Oh yea! You did it old school. I worked with a guy who owned a company
that produced ink for offset printers. He had developed a waterless ink
for offset printers and I designed and built a cooling and
humidification unit for his process because the ink needed to stay cool
in order to perform and it also needed a touch of humidity. We took it
an industry show and some printing companies and even discussed it with
some guys from AB Dick. My friend dropped dead of a heart attack while
watching a football one afternoon. The project died along with him.

What do you mean, "waterless ink"? All offset ink is waterless. (Offset
lithography works on the principle that oil & water don't mix: the ink
is oil-based, while the non-image parts of the printing plate are wetted
with water, repelling the ink.)

I think maybe you mean ink for waterless offset? (Have to pardon me; I
used to be an offset printer, so I know a thing or three about the process.)

Too bad about your friend, though.


--
Comment on quaint Usenet customs, from Usenet:

To me, the *plonk...* reminds me of the old man at the public hearing
who stands to make his point, then removes his hearing aid as a sign
that he is not going to hear any rebuttals.

On 12/21/2010 5:08 PM, David Nebenzahl wrote:
On 12/21/2010 2:47 PM The Daring Dufas spake thus:

Oh yea! You did it old school. I worked with a guy who owned a company
that produced ink for offset printers. He had developed a waterless ink
for offset printers and I designed and built a cooling and
humidification unit for his process because the ink needed to stay cool
in order to perform and it also needed a touch of humidity. We took it
an industry show and some printing companies and even discussed it with
some guys from AB Dick. My friend dropped dead of a heart attack while
watching a football one afternoon. The project died along with him.

What do you mean, "waterless ink"? All offset ink is waterless. (Offset
lithography works on the principle that oil & water don't mix: the ink
is oil-based, while the non-image parts of the printing plate are wetted
with water, repelling the ink.)

I think maybe you mean ink for waterless offset? (Have to pardon me; I
used to be an offset printer, so I know a thing or three about the
process.)

Too bad about your friend, though.



The offset presses I'm familiar with have a water trough for wetting the
the printing plate. The ink I'm referring to was run on the press with
no water to wet the plate. That was a big deal from what I understand
of offset presses because the printer "not the machine but the guy in
the funny hat" didn't have to fiddle with the water adjustments. I'm no
expert on offset printing even though I've repaired a lot of controls
for presses and collating equipment. I built an auxiliary vacuum source
for one guy's collating machine and put a big label on it that read
"SUCK-MASTER 2000". I hope my explanation clears things up. :-)

TDD

On 12/21/2010 4:08 PM The Daring Dufas spake thus:

On 12/21/2010 5:08 PM, David Nebenzahl wrote:

On 12/21/2010 2:47 PM The Daring Dufas spake thus:

Oh yea! You did it old school. I worked with a guy who owned a company
that produced ink for offset printers. He had developed a waterless ink
for offset printers and I designed and built a cooling and
humidification unit for his process because the ink needed to stay cool
in order to perform and it also needed a touch of humidity. We took it
an industry show and some printing companies and even discussed it with
some guys from AB Dick. My friend dropped dead of a heart attack while
watching a football one afternoon. The project died along with him.

What do you mean, "waterless ink"? All offset ink is waterless. (Offset
lithography works on the principle that oil & water don't mix: the ink
is oil-based, while the non-image parts of the printing plate are wetted
with water, repelling the ink.)

I think maybe you mean ink for waterless offset? (Have to pardon me; I
used to be an offset printer, so I know a thing or three about the
process.)

Too bad about your friend, though.

The offset presses I'm familiar with have a water trough for wetting the
the printing plate.

That's the water fountain, that delivers water to the dampener ("form")
rollers that wet the plate (ackshooly, not just water, but mostly water
plus other stuff in what's called "fountain solution").

The ink I'm referring to was run on the press with
no water to wet the plate.

OK. That's waterless offset. I actually don't know how it works
(magic?); the plate somehow repels ink from the non-image areas without
water. (Water in offset printing is kind of a pain in the ass, leading
to scumming, press sheets that don't lie flat and other problems.)


--
Comment on quaint Usenet customs, from Usenet:

To me, the *plonk...* reminds me of the old man at the public hearing
who stands to make his point, then removes his hearing aid as a sign
that he is not going to hear any rebuttals.

On 12/21/2010 7:11 PM, David Nebenzahl wrote:
On 12/21/2010 4:08 PM The Daring Dufas spake thus:

On 12/21/2010 5:08 PM, David Nebenzahl wrote:

On 12/21/2010 2:47 PM The Daring Dufas spake thus:

Oh yea! You did it old school. I worked with a guy who owned a company
that produced ink for offset printers. He had developed a waterless ink
for offset printers and I designed and built a cooling and
humidification unit for his process because the ink needed to stay cool
in order to perform and it also needed a touch of humidity. We took it
an industry show and some printing companies and even discussed it with
some guys from AB Dick. My friend dropped dead of a heart attack while
watching a football one afternoon. The project died along with him.

What do you mean, "waterless ink"? All offset ink is waterless. (Offset
lithography works on the principle that oil & water don't mix: the ink
is oil-based, while the non-image parts of the printing plate are wetted
with water, repelling the ink.)

I think maybe you mean ink for waterless offset? (Have to pardon me; I
used to be an offset printer, so I know a thing or three about the
process.)

Too bad about your friend, though.

The offset presses I'm familiar with have a water trough for wetting the
the printing plate.

That's the water fountain, that delivers water to the dampener ("form")
rollers that wet the plate (ackshooly, not just water, but mostly water
plus other stuff in what's called "fountain solution").

The ink I'm referring to was run on the press with no water to wet the
plate.

OK. That's waterless offset. I actually don't know how it works
(magic?); the plate somehow repels ink from the non-image areas without
water. (Water in offset printing is kind of a pain in the ass, leading
to scumming, press sheets that don't lie flat and other problems.)



That's it, the guys who ran the presses had to screw around with the
water and said it was a real pain. The cooling unit I built cooled the
area around the plate and an ultrasonic humidifier added an adjustable
level of moisture to the air stream. It's been sitting in storage ever
since my friend died which was some years ago. I suppose I could
re-purpose it for something like keeping flowers fresh. :-)

TDD