DGDevin wrote:

I agree, but it's a still a matter of their roof = their rules
provided they're in compliance with the law. I can see the
possibilty of some jurisdictions passing laws that prohibit banning
CCW by those with permits, but until that happens a business owner
who doesn’t want people packing on his property is within his rights.

Property rights are important.

But there's the grey area such as an employer prohibiting firearms in the
employee parking lot. That means that employees will be vulnerable to
nastiness - with no defense - on their way to and from work.

On 10/14/10 05:36 pm, DGDevin wrote:

Sure! If you like corporations that oppose the human rights
protected by the US Constitution.

What part of private property don’t you get? Their roof = their
rules, same as in your house.

Such businesses simply GAMBLE that their customers will not get hurt by
criminals.

Many businesses (or rather their insurance companies) have policies
against their own employees being armed to avoid liability. That's why
bank tellers don't have guns under the counter anymore. So while you and
I might disagree, a business is entitled to have a policy of handing
over the cash rather than shooting it out with crooks.

That was the policy of a major bank in Australia for which my late first
wife worked. Even the "guards" were unarmed, AFAIK. "No heroics" was the
instruction to all staff -- "our people are worth more than our money,"
I think they would have said.

Perce

On Thu, 14 Oct 2010 14:45:34 -0700, "DGDevin"
wrote:

"HeyBub" wrote in message
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Percival P. Cassidy wrote:

BTW, it was recently brought to my attention that the wording of the
Second Amendment is rather strange: it mentions not "citizens" but
"the people." (That is quite apart from the fact that the Amendment
specified the purpose for which the people shall be allowed to bear
arms: for the establishment of a militia -- it not being envisaged
that the USA would have a standing army.)


"Citizens" are not the same as "people;" citizens are a sub-set of people.

"People" included citizens, slaves, women, children, visitors, and
witches. That is, everybody.

That's unconvincing given how many times the Constitution specifically
refers to the rights of "people" rather than citizens.

2 times. [11 for citizen] The 2 times it mentions people are;
preamble; "we the people" [there were no citizens, yet]
Article 1, Section 2; house elected by "by the People of the several
States" [states got to choose *who* could vote.]


I'm with heybub on this one.

Jim