Costco, at least in Canada sells it the cheapest per load. Our local
appliance store sells it to and their price is maybe 2 cents a load more.

BS. we've been using the regular stuff in ours since day one. It works
just fine. HE soap is a scam.


Voids the warranty here, even if you buy a 5 year service plan.

"Steve Barker" wrote in message
...
On 9/19/2010 11:28 AM, zzzzzzzzzz wrote:
On Sun, 19 Sep 2010 05:53:17 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

On Sep 19, 2:21 am, wrote:
On 09/18/2010 11:31 PM, RickH wrote:





We've owned a GE "Infusion" agitatorless "energy saving" washing
machine for about 2 months now. I have not had fully clean clothes
for about 2 months. These things are a piece of crap, they use about
a gallon of water so the clothes basically slosh around in a small mud
puddle, never getting fully clean. Forget about getting out tough
stains, also clothes have an odor as they never fully rinse (not
enough water) the rinse cycle is another small mud puddle. The washer
does not even fill enough to wet all the clothes until after 10
minutes of running. They enclosed a large yellow warning in the
manual that this is "normal", bull****, they're just covering their
asses on complaints. I called the GE consumer line and the guy told
me flat out nobody is happy with these washers.

I'm just warning others thinking of getting one of the GE agitatorless
washers. Stick with the tried and true, get the agitator and one that
uses a lot of water if you want it to, get a Whirlpool with mechanical
controls. Just trying to save someone else the headache and money.

Maybe if you live in a desert, but I'm in the Great Lakes, I dont need
to conserve water to this extent water's practically free here. These
washers have set things back to beating clothes on a rock.

I should have read the reviews first, they are not good, I'm not the
only one having dirty clothes all the time.

Thank you.

Some of these words _may_ apply:

WPR815OK WPRE615OK CEE Tier II WPR815OK WHRE55OK PerfecTemp CEE Tier I
GE General Electric GE Profile™ Topload Washer Infusor RainShower
SpeedWash
HydroWave with
Infusorhttp://www.geconsumerproducts.com/pressroom/press_releases/appliances...-
Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -


I didn;t even know these existed. I thought all top loaders used an
agitator and the only washers that did not were front-loaders. The
front-loaders work with far less water and energy, but they cost
significantly more. I guess this shows the risk when you buy
something that isn't tried and proven. Surprising GE would sell them
if they perform so poorly. Anyone else make them? Thanks for the
heads up

We've have a Whirlpool Cabrio agitatorless top-loader for a few years
with no
problems, other than it has to be run empty, with bleach, periodically.
We
bought it because the front-loaders had a miserable long-term reliability
record and were betting on this top-loader being a good trade-off. So
far
we're happy with it.



I'm a wondering how the front loaders could have "long-term reliability
records" when they haven't been out a long time. LMAO!!

s


--
Steve Barker
remove the "not" from my address to email

Steve... I worked on front loaders in the 1950 era. Were made by
Westinghouse and Bendix..Also GE and Whirlpool had front loaders that were
combination washer and dryer. One drum did it all. However you had to finish
complete cycle before you started 2nd load of wash . Like you could do with
separate appliances..WW

On 09/19/2010 08:44 AM, RickH wrote:

Clothes still smell like sweat (son is in football, I work out, wife
works out)

I wil probably try to sell it for $100 in the local classifieds, then
go buy a normal washing machine and eat the loss.


Try selling it for $200 to somebody whose clothes never get very dirty
:-) That was probably the assumption of the dimwit designers anyway.

Very snappy review, by the way.

On Sun, 19 Sep 2010 10:44:21 -0700 (PDT), Molly Brown
wrote:

On Sep 19, 9:02*am, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:
"Molly Brown" wrote in message

...

Another crappy product brought to you by the environmentalist idiots
who brought you the crappy CFL light bulbs

=====================

Are there any environmental issues with which you agree? If yes, name one or
more.

Yes,
1. Stop having more than two children per couple. Make it the law.

How positively Chinese of you.

2. Don’t cut down trees. build houses out of concrete and steel.

Kook. Trees are perfectly renewable.

3. Stop all hunting of animals unless they’re not a native to their
environment

....and let them starve to death. How humane.

On Sun, 19 Sep 2010 20:12:16 GMT, notbob wrote:

On 2010-09-19, Doug Miller wrote:

Completely unnecessary. The birth rate is already lower than that in many
developed countries.

Yeah. The last I heard, if it weren't for the illegals, we'd be
losing ground.

If it weren't for IMMAGRANTS we'd be losing ground. You leftist nutjobs never
could understand the concept of ILLEGAL.

On Sun, 19 Sep 2010 12:40:44 -0500, Steve Barker
wrote:

On 9/19/2010 11:28 AM, zzzzzzzzzz wrote:
On Sun, 19 Sep 2010 05:53:17 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

On Sep 19, 2:21 am, wrote:
On 09/18/2010 11:31 PM, RickH wrote:





We've owned a GE "Infusion" agitatorless "energy saving" washing
machine for about 2 months now. I have not had fully clean clothes
for about 2 months. These things are a piece of crap, they use about
a gallon of water so the clothes basically slosh around in a small mud
puddle, never getting fully clean. Forget about getting out tough
stains, also clothes have an odor as they never fully rinse (not
enough water) the rinse cycle is another small mud puddle. The washer
does not even fill enough to wet all the clothes until after 10
minutes of running. They enclosed a large yellow warning in the
manual that this is "normal", bull****, they're just covering their
asses on complaints. I called the GE consumer line and the guy told
me flat out nobody is happy with these washers.

I'm just warning others thinking of getting one of the GE agitatorless
washers. Stick with the tried and true, get the agitator and one that
uses a lot of water if you want it to, get a Whirlpool with mechanical
controls. Just trying to save someone else the headache and money.

Maybe if you live in a desert, but I'm in the Great Lakes, I dont need
to conserve water to this extent water's practically free here. These
washers have set things back to beating clothes on a rock.

I should have read the reviews first, they are not good, I'm not the
only one having dirty clothes all the time.

Thank you.

Some of these words _may_ apply:

WPR815OK WPRE615OK CEE Tier II WPR815OK WHRE55OK PerfecTemp CEE Tier I
GE General Electric GE Profile™ Topload Washer Infusor RainShower SpeedWash
HydroWave with Infusorhttp://www.geconsumerproducts.com/pressroom/press_releases/appliances...- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -


I didn;t even know these existed. I thought all top loaders used an
agitator and the only washers that did not were front-loaders. The
front-loaders work with far less water and energy, but they cost
significantly more. I guess this shows the risk when you buy
something that isn't tried and proven. Surprising GE would sell them
if they perform so poorly. Anyone else make them? Thanks for the
heads up

We've have a Whirlpool Cabrio agitatorless top-loader for a few years with no
problems, other than it has to be run empty, with bleach, periodically. We
bought it because the front-loaders had a miserable long-term reliability
record and were betting on this top-loader being a good trade-off. So far
we're happy with it.



I'm a wondering how the front loaders could have "long-term reliability
records" when they haven't been out a long time. LMAO!!

Totally clueless.

"RickH" wrote in message
...
We've owned a GE "Infusion" agitatorless "energy saving" washing
machine for about 2 months now. I have not had fully clean clothes
for about 2 months. These things are a piece of crap, they use about
a gallon of water so the clothes basically slosh around in a small mud
puddle, never getting fully clean. Forget about getting out tough
stains, also clothes have an odor as they never fully rinse (not
enough water) the rinse cycle is another small mud puddle. The washer
does not even fill enough to wet all the clothes until after 10
minutes of running. They enclosed a large yellow warning in the
manual that this is "normal", bull****, they're just covering their
asses on complaints. I called the GE consumer line and the guy told
me flat out nobody is happy with these washers.

I'm just warning others thinking of getting one of the GE agitatorless
washers. Stick with the tried and true, get the agitator and one that
uses a lot of water if you want it to, get a Whirlpool with mechanical
controls. Just trying to save someone else the headache and money.

Maybe if you live in a desert, but I'm in the Great Lakes, I dont need
to conserve water to this extent water's practically free here. These
washers have set things back to beating clothes on a rock.

I should have read the reviews first, they are not good, I'm not the
only one having dirty clothes all the time.


Look for different detergents and see if one works better.

We have a WP Duet and it doesn't work well with low phosphates detergents.
But, of course, fish don't like phosphates and algae does.

Jim

On Sun, 19 Sep 2010 11:04:15 -0700 (PDT), RickH
wrote:

On Sep 19, 11:28*am, "
wrote:
On Sun, 19 Sep 2010 05:53:17 -0700 (PDT), wrote:
On Sep 19, 2:21*am, Matt wrote:
On 09/18/2010 11:31 PM, RickH wrote:

We've owned a GE "Infusion" agitatorless "energy saving" washing
machine for about 2 months now. *I have not had fully clean clothes
for about 2 months. *These things are a piece of crap, they use about
a gallon of water so the clothes basically slosh around in a small mud
puddle, never getting fully clean. *Forget about getting out tough
stains, also clothes have an odor as they never fully rinse (not
enough water) the rinse cycle is another small mud puddle. *The washer
does not even fill enough to wet all the clothes until after 10
minutes of running. *They enclosed a large yellow warning in the
manual that this is "normal", bull****, they're just covering their
asses on complaints. *I called the GE consumer line and the guy told
me flat out nobody is happy with these washers.

I'm just warning others thinking of getting one of the GE agitatorless
washers. *Stick with the tried and true, get the agitator and one that
uses a lot of water if you want it to, get a Whirlpool with mechanical
controls. *Just trying to save someone else the headache and money.

Maybe if you live in a desert, but I'm in the Great Lakes, I dont need
to conserve water to this extent water's practically free here. *These
washers have set things back to beating clothes on a rock.

I should have read the reviews first, they are not good, I'm not the
only one having dirty clothes all the time.

Thank you.

Some of these words _may_ apply:

WPR815OK WPRE615OK CEE Tier II WPR815OK WHRE55OK PerfecTemp CEE Tier I
GE General Electric GE Profile™ Topload Washer Infusor RainShower SpeedWash
HydroWave with Infusorhttp://www.geconsumerproducts.com/pressroom/press_releases/appliances...Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I didn;t even know these existed. *I thought all top loaders used an
agitator and the only washers that did not were front-loaders. * The
front-loaders work with far less water and energy, but they cost
significantly more. * I guess this shows the risk when you buy
something that isn't tried and proven. * Surprising GE would sell them
if they perform so poorly. * Anyone else make them? * Thanks for the
heads up

We've have a Whirlpool Cabrio agitatorless top-loader for a few years with no
problems, other than it has to be run empty, with bleach, periodically. *We
bought it because the front-loaders had a miserable long-term reliability
record and were betting on this top-loader being a good trade-off. *So far
we're happy with it. *- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

How do you do pre-soaking of a large load. Does water cover all the
clothes. The GE one only puts a 2 inch puddle on the bottom.

The same way you do it in any other machine. Yes, the level adjusts all the
way to the "top", just like any other top-loader.

wrote in message
...
On Sun, 19 Sep 2010 12:40:44 -0500, Steve Barker

wrote:

On 9/19/2010 11:28 AM, zzzzzzzzzz wrote:
On Sun, 19 Sep 2010 05:53:17 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

On Sep 19, 2:21 am, wrote:
On 09/18/2010 11:31 PM, RickH wrote:





We've owned a GE "Infusion" agitatorless "energy saving" washing
machine for about 2 months now. I have not had fully clean clothes
for about 2 months. These things are a piece of crap, they use about
a gallon of water so the clothes basically slosh around in a small
mud
puddle, never getting fully clean. Forget about getting out tough
stains, also clothes have an odor as they never fully rinse (not
enough water) the rinse cycle is another small mud puddle. The
washer
does not even fill enough to wet all the clothes until after 10
minutes of running. They enclosed a large yellow warning in the
manual that this is "normal", bull****, they're just covering their
asses on complaints. I called the GE consumer line and the guy told
me flat out nobody is happy with these washers.

I'm just warning others thinking of getting one of the GE
agitatorless
washers. Stick with the tried and true, get the agitator and one
that
uses a lot of water if you want it to, get a Whirlpool with
mechanical
controls. Just trying to save someone else the headache and money.

Maybe if you live in a desert, but I'm in the Great Lakes, I dont
need
to conserve water to this extent water's practically free here.
These
washers have set things back to beating clothes on a rock.

I should have read the reviews first, they are not good, I'm not the
only one having dirty clothes all the time.

Thank you.

Some of these words _may_ apply:

WPR815OK WPRE615OK CEE Tier II WPR815OK WHRE55OK PerfecTemp CEE Tier I
GE General Electric GE ProfileT Topload Washer Infusor RainShower
SpeedWash
HydroWave with
Infusorhttp://www.geconsumerproducts.com/pressroom/press_releases/appliances...-
Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -


I didn;t even know these existed. I thought all top loaders used an
agitator and the only washers that did not were front-loaders. The
front-loaders work with far less water and energy, but they cost
significantly more. I guess this shows the risk when you buy
something that isn't tried and proven. Surprising GE would sell them
if they perform so poorly. Anyone else make them? Thanks for the
heads up

We've have a Whirlpool Cabrio agitatorless top-loader for a few years
with no
problems, other than it has to be run empty, with bleach, periodically.
We
bought it because the front-loaders had a miserable long-term
reliability
record and were betting on this top-loader being a good trade-off. So
far
we're happy with it.



I'm a wondering how the front loaders could have "long-term reliability
records" when they haven't been out a long time. LMAO!!

Totally clueless.


Why don't you explain it to those of us who are clueless?

"RickH" wrote in message
...
On Sep 19, 9:54 am, "The Henchman" wrote:
Are you using the proper laundry soap? Serious question.

We have this
machinehttp://www.washing-machine-wizard.com/ge-wcvh6800jww-kingsize-capacit...

It's fantastic. 16 gallons per full load. It takes about 1 hour to do a
load but clothes come out almost dry and clean. Dryer rarely has to work
at
all.

But there is so much electronics that you have to use a non-suds soap like
"he" types. Sudsy soaps screw up all the sensors.

Here is a quick read-up on HE
soap:http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-he-detergent.htm

Costco, at least in Canada sells it the cheapest per load. Our local
appliance store sells it to and their price is maybe 2 cents a load more.

This is a top loader, yes I agree front loaders dont need an agitator
and they do a great job.l Wish I had a front loader but they are also
50% more costly.

===

ehh... it's hard to beat an old Kenmore quality top loader for cleanliness.
Side loaders do alright with the right detergents and some not so.

Jim

On 09/19/2010 09:06 AM, George wrote:
On 9/19/2010 9:44 AM, RickH wrote:
On Sep 19, 1:21 am, wrote:
On 09/18/2010 11:31 PM, RickH wrote:





We've owned a GE "Infusion" agitatorless "energy saving" washing
machine for about 2 months now. I have not had fully clean clothes
for about 2 months. These things are a piece of crap, they use about
a gallon of water so the clothes basically slosh around in a small mud
puddle, never getting fully clean. Forget about getting out tough
stains, also clothes have an odor as they never fully rinse (not
enough water) the rinse cycle is another small mud puddle. The washer
does not even fill enough to wet all the clothes until after 10
minutes of running. They enclosed a large yellow warning in the
manual that this is "normal", bull****, they're just covering their
asses on complaints. I called the GE consumer line and the guy told
me flat out nobody is happy with these washers.

I'm just warning others thinking of getting one of the GE agitatorless
washers. Stick with the tried and true, get the agitator and one that
uses a lot of water if you want it to, get a Whirlpool with mechanical
controls. Just trying to save someone else the headache and money.

Maybe if you live in a desert, but I'm in the Great Lakes, I dont need
to conserve water to this extent water's practically free here. These
washers have set things back to beating clothes on a rock.

I should have read the reviews first, they are not good, I'm not the
only one having dirty clothes all the time.

Thank you.

Some of these words _may_ apply:

WPR815OK WPRE615OK CEE Tier II WPR815OK WHRE55OK PerfecTemp CEE Tier I
GE General Electric GE Profile™ Topload Washer Infusor RainShower
SpeedWash
HydroWave with
Infusorhttp://www.geconsumerproducts.com/pressroom/press_releases/appliances...-
Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -


Confirming, yes it's these models.

Clothes still smell like sweat (son is in football, I work out, wife
works out) and whites do not get white, neither do stains come out, or
even the gray look to sock bottoms. Also pre-soaking is totally out
of the question because washer does not fill up enough to even cover
the clothes. Also the soap powder does not fully dissolve (not enough
water to do that) I switched to liquid soap but all of the above
issues are still there. Tries more soap tried less soap, tried
everything, the basic issue here is not enough water to do much of
anything. They look impressive and roomy for the price, but they are
pieces of crap. I'm not going to resort to using scented soap as that
is just a cover up, and neither the wife or I like scented soap.

I have never been so disappointed in a purchase in my life, GE has
stonewalled me for returns, they are even stone walling the store who
is trying to get them to take it back and re-sell it in their outlet.
I wil probably try to sell it for $100 in the local classifieds, then
go buy a normal washing machine and eat the loss.



I wouldn't expect anything less from GE.

Does your area have any of the investigative TV reporters who pursue
fraud etc? It may be tough to get them interested since GE is a big
supporter of liberals and owns the most liberal network NBC.

I think I would start with whatever your local version of small claims
court is and file a complaint against GE that they defrauded you by
selling a unit that is unfit for use. At least in my state GE would need
to send one of their $500/hour lawyers to defend themselves or you would
get a default judgment.


I wonder what would happen if the purchaser told the retailer that he
was planning to take the retailer to small claims court if he won't give
a refund. I would expect that the retailer knew too that there were
problems with the model. The retailer chose to be a GE retailer along
with all that that implies.

On Sun, 19 Sep 2010 13:35:16 -0400, aemeijers wrote:

On 9/19/2010 1:03 PM, zzzzzzzzzz wrote:
On Sun, 19 Sep 2010 09:50:09 -0700, wrote:

wrote in message
...
On 9/19/2010 9:44 AM, RickH wrote:
On Sep 19, 1:21 am, wrote:
On 09/18/2010 11:31 PM, RickH wrote:





We've owned a GE "Infusion" agitatorless "energy saving" washing
machine for about 2 months now. I have not had fully clean clothes
for about 2 months. These things are a piece of crap, they use about
a gallon of water so the clothes basically slosh around in a small mud
puddle, never getting fully clean. Forget about getting out tough
stains, also clothes have an odor as they never fully rinse (not
enough water) the rinse cycle is another small mud puddle. The washer
does not even fill enough to wet all the clothes until after 10
minutes of running. They enclosed a large yellow warning in the
manual that this is "normal", bull****, they're just covering their
asses on complaints. I called the GE consumer line and the guy told
me flat out nobody is happy with these washers.

I'm just warning others thinking of getting one of the GE agitatorless
washers. Stick with the tried and true, get the agitator and one that
uses a lot of water if you want it to, get a Whirlpool with mechanical
controls. Just trying to save someone else the headache and money.

Maybe if you live in a desert, but I'm in the Great Lakes, I dont need
to conserve water to this extent water's practically free here. These
washers have set things back to beating clothes on a rock.

I should have read the reviews first, they are not good, I'm not the
only one having dirty clothes all the time.

Thank you.

Some of these words _may_ apply:

WPR815OK WPRE615OK CEE Tier II WPR815OK WHRE55OK PerfecTemp CEE Tier I
GE General Electric GE Profile™ Topload Washer Infusor RainShower
SpeedWash
HydroWave with
Infusorhttp://www.geconsumerproducts.com/pressroom/press_releases/appliances...-
Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -


Confirming, yes it's these models.

Clothes still smell like sweat (son is in football, I work out, wife
works out) and whites do not get white, neither do stains come out, or
even the gray look to sock bottoms. Also pre-soaking is totally out
of the question because washer does not fill up enough to even cover
the clothes. Also the soap powder does not fully dissolve (not enough
water to do that) I switched to liquid soap but all of the above
issues are still there. Tries more soap tried less soap, tried
everything, the basic issue here is not enough water to do much of
anything. They look impressive and roomy for the price, but they are
pieces of crap. I'm not going to resort to using scented soap as that
is just a cover up, and neither the wife or I like scented soap.

I have never been so disappointed in a purchase in my life, GE has
stonewalled me for returns, they are even stone walling the store who
is trying to get them to take it back and re-sell it in their outlet.
I wil probably try to sell it for $100 in the local classifieds, then
go buy a normal washing machine and eat the loss.



I wouldn't expect anything less from GE.

I'm not happy with GE right now myself. I recently bought a washing machine
model number WLSR2010KWW after researching it, and the specs say it comes
with a fabric softener dispenser, but there isn't one, or the part is
missing. Went back to Lowe's where I purchased it, and they called GE. GE
said they would fed-ex the dispenser, they did fed-ex a part that was
already there, an agitator cap, not the dispenser. I'm beginning to think
that there is no fabric softener dispenser at all. I have emailed and called
them myself to no avail. Last GE appliance I buy.

Does the fabric softener go in the agitator cap? I've had washing machines
that have similar "dispensers". Basically, the "centrifugal force" throws
(some of) it out during the spin cycle. Of course, the rinse water doesn't
flow through the cap so it's left a sticky mess, but it's a cheap solution.

Never used softener, never plan to. Don't like the thought of infusing
my undies and socks and such with chemical residue, even if I didn't
suffer from allergies so bad that I have to hunt down Cheer Free or
similar to wash my clothes in. When I lived in the 1st apartment here in
town, and had to share a laundry room, if the person before me left a
dryer sheet in the dryer and I didn't notice, I had to rewash the clothes.

I probably wouldn't either, but SWMBO doesn't like "static cling". I don't
care about the "nasty chemicals", but don't like the lower absorbency of
"softened" fabric.

I don't want my clothes to smell 'fresh' or 'springtime'. I don't want
them to smell like anything. I figured out that with soft water, you can
use like 1/3 as much soap as they recommend on the jug, and it all
actually rinses out, and the fabric does not feel stiff or irritate the
skin. I think a lot of people think they need softener because their
clothes are still full of dried soap. And yes, they do get clean. Past a
certain threshold point, adding more soap does not help.

Sure, but softener does make clothes feel softer and it certainly does cut
down on static. It's what was originally used to coat electronics parts
packaging. ;-)

On Sun, 19 Sep 2010 12:31:57 -0700, "Cheri" wrote:

wrote in message
.. .

Does the fabric softener go in the agitator cap? I've had washing
machines
that have similar "dispensers". Basically, the "centrifugal force" throws
(some of) it out during the spin cycle. Of course, the rinse water
doesn't
flow through the cap so it's left a sticky mess, but it's a cheap
solution.

I know what you mean, my old Amana had one of those, it plugged up often,
but this one has nothing at all.

The one in our old one (can't remember the brand, even) was just a hat that
sat on the agitator. No holes at all; the softener spun out over the top of
the rim on the stupid thing.

On Sun, 19 Sep 2010 17:52:26 -0400, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

wrote in message
.. .
On Sun, 19 Sep 2010 12:40:44 -0500, Steve Barker

wrote:

On 9/19/2010 11:28 AM, zzzzzzzzzz wrote:
On Sun, 19 Sep 2010 05:53:17 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

On Sep 19, 2:21 am, wrote:
On 09/18/2010 11:31 PM, RickH wrote:





We've owned a GE "Infusion" agitatorless "energy saving" washing
machine for about 2 months now. I have not had fully clean clothes
for about 2 months. These things are a piece of crap, they use about
a gallon of water so the clothes basically slosh around in a small
mud
puddle, never getting fully clean. Forget about getting out tough
stains, also clothes have an odor as they never fully rinse (not
enough water) the rinse cycle is another small mud puddle. The
washer
does not even fill enough to wet all the clothes until after 10
minutes of running. They enclosed a large yellow warning in the
manual that this is "normal", bull****, they're just covering their
asses on complaints. I called the GE consumer line and the guy told
me flat out nobody is happy with these washers.

I'm just warning others thinking of getting one of the GE
agitatorless
washers. Stick with the tried and true, get the agitator and one
that
uses a lot of water if you want it to, get a Whirlpool with
mechanical
controls. Just trying to save someone else the headache and money.

Maybe if you live in a desert, but I'm in the Great Lakes, I dont
need
to conserve water to this extent water's practically free here.
These
washers have set things back to beating clothes on a rock.

I should have read the reviews first, they are not good, I'm not the
only one having dirty clothes all the time.

Thank you.

Some of these words _may_ apply:

WPR815OK WPRE615OK CEE Tier II WPR815OK WHRE55OK PerfecTemp CEE Tier I
GE General Electric GE ProfileT Topload Washer Infusor RainShower
SpeedWash
HydroWave with
Infusorhttp://www.geconsumerproducts.com/pressroom/press_releases/appliances...-
Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -


I didn;t even know these existed. I thought all top loaders used an
agitator and the only washers that did not were front-loaders. The
front-loaders work with far less water and energy, but they cost
significantly more. I guess this shows the risk when you buy
something that isn't tried and proven. Surprising GE would sell them
if they perform so poorly. Anyone else make them? Thanks for the
heads up

We've have a Whirlpool Cabrio agitatorless top-loader for a few years
with no
problems, other than it has to be run empty, with bleach, periodically.
We
bought it because the front-loaders had a miserable long-term
reliability
record and were betting on this top-loader being a good trade-off. So
far
we're happy with it.



I'm a wondering how the front loaders could have "long-term reliability
records" when they haven't been out a long time. LMAO!!

Totally clueless.


Why don't you explain it to those of us who are clueless?

At least you now admit that you're totally clueless. Acceptance is the first
step.

On Sun, 19 Sep 2010 16:54:28 -0500, Matt wrote:

On 09/19/2010 09:06 AM, George wrote:
On 9/19/2010 9:44 AM, RickH wrote:
On Sep 19, 1:21 am, wrote:
On 09/18/2010 11:31 PM, RickH wrote:





We've owned a GE "Infusion" agitatorless "energy saving" washing
machine for about 2 months now. I have not had fully clean clothes
for about 2 months. These things are a piece of crap, they use about
a gallon of water so the clothes basically slosh around in a small mud
puddle, never getting fully clean. Forget about getting out tough
stains, also clothes have an odor as they never fully rinse (not
enough water) the rinse cycle is another small mud puddle. The washer
does not even fill enough to wet all the clothes until after 10
minutes of running. They enclosed a large yellow warning in the
manual that this is "normal", bull****, they're just covering their
asses on complaints. I called the GE consumer line and the guy told
me flat out nobody is happy with these washers.

I'm just warning others thinking of getting one of the GE agitatorless
washers. Stick with the tried and true, get the agitator and one that
uses a lot of water if you want it to, get a Whirlpool with mechanical
controls. Just trying to save someone else the headache and money.

Maybe if you live in a desert, but I'm in the Great Lakes, I dont need
to conserve water to this extent water's practically free here. These
washers have set things back to beating clothes on a rock.

I should have read the reviews first, they are not good, I'm not the
only one having dirty clothes all the time.

Thank you.

Some of these words _may_ apply:

WPR815OK WPRE615OK CEE Tier II WPR815OK WHRE55OK PerfecTemp CEE Tier I
GE General Electric GE Profile™ Topload Washer Infusor RainShower
SpeedWash
HydroWave with
Infusorhttp://www.geconsumerproducts.com/pressroom/press_releases/appliances...-
Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -


Confirming, yes it's these models.

Clothes still smell like sweat (son is in football, I work out, wife
works out) and whites do not get white, neither do stains come out, or
even the gray look to sock bottoms. Also pre-soaking is totally out
of the question because washer does not fill up enough to even cover
the clothes. Also the soap powder does not fully dissolve (not enough
water to do that) I switched to liquid soap but all of the above
issues are still there. Tries more soap tried less soap, tried
everything, the basic issue here is not enough water to do much of
anything. They look impressive and roomy for the price, but they are
pieces of crap. I'm not going to resort to using scented soap as that
is just a cover up, and neither the wife or I like scented soap.

I have never been so disappointed in a purchase in my life, GE has
stonewalled me for returns, they are even stone walling the store who
is trying to get them to take it back and re-sell it in their outlet.
I wil probably try to sell it for $100 in the local classifieds, then
go buy a normal washing machine and eat the loss.



I wouldn't expect anything less from GE.

Does your area have any of the investigative TV reporters who pursue
fraud etc? It may be tough to get them interested since GE is a big
supporter of liberals and owns the most liberal network NBC.

I think I would start with whatever your local version of small claims
court is and file a complaint against GE that they defrauded you by
selling a unit that is unfit for use. At least in my state GE would need
to send one of their $500/hour lawyers to defend themselves or you would
get a default judgment.


I wonder what would happen if the purchaser told the retailer that he
was planning to take the retailer to small claims court if he won't give
a refund. I would expect that the retailer knew too that there were
problems with the model. The retailer chose to be a GE retailer along
with all that that implies.

Two (counteracting) arguments here.

- Sue everyone and let the gods (or courts) figure it out.

- By suing the retailer, the retailer is very unlikely to let on that there is
something wrong with the model, even if he knows there is.

wrote in message
...
On Sun, 19 Sep 2010 17:52:26 -0400, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

wrote in message
. ..
On Sun, 19 Sep 2010 12:40:44 -0500, Steve Barker

wrote:

On 9/19/2010 11:28 AM, zzzzzzzzzz wrote:
On Sun, 19 Sep 2010 05:53:17 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

On Sep 19, 2:21 am, wrote:
On 09/18/2010 11:31 PM, RickH wrote:





We've owned a GE "Infusion" agitatorless "energy saving" washing
machine for about 2 months now. I have not had fully clean clothes
for about 2 months. These things are a piece of crap, they use
about
a gallon of water so the clothes basically slosh around in a small
mud
puddle, never getting fully clean. Forget about getting out tough
stains, also clothes have an odor as they never fully rinse (not
enough water) the rinse cycle is another small mud puddle. The
washer
does not even fill enough to wet all the clothes until after 10
minutes of running. They enclosed a large yellow warning in the
manual that this is "normal", bull****, they're just covering their
asses on complaints. I called the GE consumer line and the guy
told
me flat out nobody is happy with these washers.

I'm just warning others thinking of getting one of the GE
agitatorless
washers. Stick with the tried and true, get the agitator and one
that
uses a lot of water if you want it to, get a Whirlpool with
mechanical
controls. Just trying to save someone else the headache and money.

Maybe if you live in a desert, but I'm in the Great Lakes, I dont
need
to conserve water to this extent water's practically free here.
These
washers have set things back to beating clothes on a rock.

I should have read the reviews first, they are not good, I'm not
the
only one having dirty clothes all the time.

Thank you.

Some of these words _may_ apply:

WPR815OK WPRE615OK CEE Tier II WPR815OK WHRE55OK PerfecTemp CEE Tier
I
GE General Electric GE ProfileT Topload Washer Infusor RainShower
SpeedWash
HydroWave with
Infusorhttp://www.geconsumerproducts.com/pressroom/press_releases/appliances...-
Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -


I didn;t even know these existed. I thought all top loaders used an
agitator and the only washers that did not were front-loaders. The
front-loaders work with far less water and energy, but they cost
significantly more. I guess this shows the risk when you buy
something that isn't tried and proven. Surprising GE would sell
them
if they perform so poorly. Anyone else make them? Thanks for the
heads up

We've have a Whirlpool Cabrio agitatorless top-loader for a few years
with no
problems, other than it has to be run empty, with bleach,
periodically.
We
bought it because the front-loaders had a miserable long-term
reliability
record and were betting on this top-loader being a good trade-off. So
far
we're happy with it.



I'm a wondering how the front loaders could have "long-term reliability
records" when they haven't been out a long time. LMAO!!

Totally clueless.


Why don't you explain it to those of us who are clueless?

At least you now admit that you're totally clueless. Acceptance is the
first
step.


Thank you for confessing that you are completely unable to explain your
"totally clueless" comment, addressed to Steve Barker.

On Sun, 19 Sep 2010 10:44:21 -0700 (PDT), Molly Brown
wrote:

3. Stop all hunting of animals unless they’re not a native to their
environment

Golly gee Molly. Florida stopped allowing the killing of alligators
years ago. Said they were endangered. The gators came back like
gang-busters. Often found in pools or sunning on the lawns. Folks were
soon up to their knees in gators.

Ever watch Swamp People on the History Channel? Folks would be
unemployed if they could not hunt gators. It's a way life in
Louisiana.

On Sun, 19 Sep 2010 18:42:10 -0400, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

wrote in message
.. .
On Sun, 19 Sep 2010 17:52:26 -0400, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

wrote in message
...
On Sun, 19 Sep 2010 12:40:44 -0500, Steve Barker

wrote:

On 9/19/2010 11:28 AM, zzzzzzzzzz wrote:
On Sun, 19 Sep 2010 05:53:17 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

On Sep 19, 2:21 am, wrote:
On 09/18/2010 11:31 PM, RickH wrote:





We've owned a GE "Infusion" agitatorless "energy saving" washing
machine for about 2 months now. I have not had fully clean clothes
for about 2 months. These things are a piece of crap, they use
about
a gallon of water so the clothes basically slosh around in a small
mud
puddle, never getting fully clean. Forget about getting out tough
stains, also clothes have an odor as they never fully rinse (not
enough water) the rinse cycle is another small mud puddle. The
washer
does not even fill enough to wet all the clothes until after 10
minutes of running. They enclosed a large yellow warning in the
manual that this is "normal", bull****, they're just covering their
asses on complaints. I called the GE consumer line and the guy
told
me flat out nobody is happy with these washers.

I'm just warning others thinking of getting one of the GE
agitatorless
washers. Stick with the tried and true, get the agitator and one
that
uses a lot of water if you want it to, get a Whirlpool with
mechanical
controls. Just trying to save someone else the headache and money.

Maybe if you live in a desert, but I'm in the Great Lakes, I dont
need
to conserve water to this extent water's practically free here.
These
washers have set things back to beating clothes on a rock.

I should have read the reviews first, they are not good, I'm not
the
only one having dirty clothes all the time.

Thank you.

Some of these words _may_ apply:

WPR815OK WPRE615OK CEE Tier II WPR815OK WHRE55OK PerfecTemp CEE Tier
I
GE General Electric GE ProfileT Topload Washer Infusor RainShower
SpeedWash
HydroWave with
Infusorhttp://www.geconsumerproducts.com/pressroom/press_releases/appliances...-
Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -


I didn;t even know these existed. I thought all top loaders used an
agitator and the only washers that did not were front-loaders. The
front-loaders work with far less water and energy, but they cost
significantly more. I guess this shows the risk when you buy
something that isn't tried and proven. Surprising GE would sell
them
if they perform so poorly. Anyone else make them? Thanks for the
heads up

We've have a Whirlpool Cabrio agitatorless top-loader for a few years
with no
problems, other than it has to be run empty, with bleach,
periodically.
We
bought it because the front-loaders had a miserable long-term
reliability
record and were betting on this top-loader being a good trade-off. So
far
we're happy with it.



I'm a wondering how the front loaders could have "long-term reliability
records" when they haven't been out a long time. LMAO!!

Totally clueless.


Why don't you explain it to those of us who are clueless?

At least you now admit that you're totally clueless. Acceptance is the
first
step.


Thank you for confessing that you are completely unable to explain your
"totally clueless" comment, addressed to Steve Barker.

Others have explained it rather well. It was, OTOH, news that you had gotten
to step #1 of your recovery. Keep it up and in a few years you might graduate
to moron.

wrote in message
...
On Sun, 19 Sep 2010 18:42:10 -0400, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

wrote in message
. ..
On Sun, 19 Sep 2010 17:52:26 -0400, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

wrote in message
m...
On Sun, 19 Sep 2010 12:40:44 -0500, Steve Barker

wrote:

On 9/19/2010 11:28 AM, zzzzzzzzzz wrote:
On Sun, 19 Sep 2010 05:53:17 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:

On Sep 19, 2:21 am, wrote:
On 09/18/2010 11:31 PM, RickH wrote:





We've owned a GE "Infusion" agitatorless "energy saving" washing
machine for about 2 months now. I have not had fully clean
clothes
for about 2 months. These things are a piece of crap, they use
about
a gallon of water so the clothes basically slosh around in a
small
mud
puddle, never getting fully clean. Forget about getting out
tough
stains, also clothes have an odor as they never fully rinse (not
enough water) the rinse cycle is another small mud puddle. The
washer
does not even fill enough to wet all the clothes until after 10
minutes of running. They enclosed a large yellow warning in the
manual that this is "normal", bull****, they're just covering
their
asses on complaints. I called the GE consumer line and the guy
told
me flat out nobody is happy with these washers.

I'm just warning others thinking of getting one of the GE
agitatorless
washers. Stick with the tried and true, get the agitator and one
that
uses a lot of water if you want it to, get a Whirlpool with
mechanical
controls. Just trying to save someone else the headache and
money.

Maybe if you live in a desert, but I'm in the Great Lakes, I dont
need
to conserve water to this extent water's practically free here.
These
washers have set things back to beating clothes on a rock.

I should have read the reviews first, they are not good, I'm not
the
only one having dirty clothes all the time.

Thank you.

Some of these words _may_ apply:

WPR815OK WPRE615OK CEE Tier II WPR815OK WHRE55OK PerfecTemp CEE
Tier
I
GE General Electric GE ProfileT Topload Washer Infusor RainShower
SpeedWash
HydroWave with
Infusorhttp://www.geconsumerproducts.com/pressroom/press_releases/appliances...-
Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -


I didn;t even know these existed. I thought all top loaders used
an
agitator and the only washers that did not were front-loaders.
The
front-loaders work with far less water and energy, but they cost
significantly more. I guess this shows the risk when you buy
something that isn't tried and proven. Surprising GE would sell
them
if they perform so poorly. Anyone else make them? Thanks for
the
heads up

We've have a Whirlpool Cabrio agitatorless top-loader for a few
years
with no
problems, other than it has to be run empty, with bleach,
periodically.
We
bought it because the front-loaders had a miserable long-term
reliability
record and were betting on this top-loader being a good trade-off.
So
far
we're happy with it.



I'm a wondering how the front loaders could have "long-term
reliability
records" when they haven't been out a long time. LMAO!!

Totally clueless.


Why don't you explain it to those of us who are clueless?

At least you now admit that you're totally clueless. Acceptance is the
first
step.


Thank you for confessing that you are completely unable to explain your
"totally clueless" comment, addressed to Steve Barker.

Others have explained it rather well. It was, OTOH, news that you had
gotten
to step #1 of your recovery. Keep it up and in a few years you might
graduate
to moron.


He said:

I'm a wondering how the front loaders could have "long-term reliability
records" when they haven't been out a long time. LMAO!!

The word "they" refers to front loaders sold for home users.


You responded with:
Totally clueless.

Nobody has explained "it" at all, except to say that commercial front
loaders have been around for quite some time, which is true. Front loaders
for homes nearly vanished (in the U.S.) for almost 30 years. So in fact,
they do NOT have enough of a track record for anyone to predict their
longevity.

On 09/19/2010 05:42 PM, zzzzzzzzzz wrote:
On Sun, 19 Sep 2010 16:54:28 -0500, Matt wrote:

On 09/19/2010 09:06 AM, George wrote:
On 9/19/2010 9:44 AM, RickH wrote:
On Sep 19, 1:21 am, wrote:
On 09/18/2010 11:31 PM, RickH wrote:





We've owned a GE "Infusion" agitatorless "energy saving" washing
machine for about 2 months now. I have not had fully clean clothes
for about 2 months. These things are a piece of crap, they use about
a gallon of water so the clothes basically slosh around in a small mud
puddle, never getting fully clean. Forget about getting out tough
stains, also clothes have an odor as they never fully rinse (not
enough water) the rinse cycle is another small mud puddle. The washer
does not even fill enough to wet all the clothes until after 10
minutes of running. They enclosed a large yellow warning in the
manual that this is "normal", bull****, they're just covering their
asses on complaints. I called the GE consumer line and the guy told
me flat out nobody is happy with these washers.
I'm just warning others thinking of getting one of the GE agitatorless
washers. Stick with the tried and true, get the agitator and one that
uses a lot of water if you want it to, get a Whirlpool with mechanical
controls. Just trying to save someone else the headache and money.
Maybe if you live in a desert, but I'm in the Great Lakes, I dont need
to conserve water to this extent water's practically free here. These
washers have set things back to beating clothes on a rock.
I should have read the reviews first, they are not good, I'm not the
only one having dirty clothes all the time.
Thank you.

Some of these words _may_ apply:

WPR815OK WPRE615OK CEE Tier II WPR815OK WHRE55OK PerfecTemp CEE Tier I
GE General Electric GE Profile™ Topload Washer Infusor RainShower
SpeedWash
HydroWave with
Infusorhttp://www.geconsumerproducts.com/pressroom/press_releases/appliances...-
Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Confirming, yes it's these models.

Clothes still smell like sweat (son is in football, I work out, wife
works out) and whites do not get white, neither do stains come out, or
even the gray look to sock bottoms. Also pre-soaking is totally out
of the question because washer does not fill up enough to even cover
the clothes. Also the soap powder does not fully dissolve (not enough
water to do that) I switched to liquid soap but all of the above
issues are still there. Tries more soap tried less soap, tried
everything, the basic issue here is not enough water to do much of
anything. They look impressive and roomy for the price, but they are
pieces of crap. I'm not going to resort to using scented soap as that
is just a cover up, and neither the wife or I like scented soap.

I have never been so disappointed in a purchase in my life, GE has
stonewalled me for returns, they are even stone walling the store who
is trying to get them to take it back and re-sell it in their outlet.
I wil probably try to sell it for $100 in the local classifieds, then
go buy a normal washing machine and eat the loss.



I wouldn't expect anything less from GE.

Does your area have any of the investigative TV reporters who pursue
fraud etc? It may be tough to get them interested since GE is a big
supporter of liberals and owns the most liberal network NBC.

I think I would start with whatever your local version of small claims
court is and file a complaint against GE that they defrauded you by
selling a unit that is unfit for use. At least in my state GE would need
to send one of their $500/hour lawyers to defend themselves or you would
get a default judgment.

I wonder what would happen if the purchaser told the retailer that he
was planning to take the retailer to small claims court if he won't give
a refund. I would expect that the retailer knew too that there were
problems with the model. The retailer chose to be a GE retailer along
with all that that implies.

Two (counteracting) arguments here.

- Sue everyone and let the gods (or courts) figure it out.

- By suing the retailer, the retailer is very unlikely to let on that there is
something wrong with the model, even if he knows there is.


But I doubt (as George suggested) that the manufacturer would be
compelled to defend locally in small claims court, since the mfr. had no
direct dealing with the customer. I could be wrong, but I expect that
big manufacturers were able to eliminate such possibilities long ago.

On 09/19/2010 06:01 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 19 Sep 2010 10:24:36 -0400, "Ed Pawlowski"
wrote:

wrote
Fisher & Paykel top loaders have all the energy saving of a front
loader at about half the price. They are an old and reliable European
company known for their engineering and high quality that started
marketing in the US in the past 20 years.


Close, but not quite. They do have an operation in Italy making cooking
appliances and own DCS in the US.


Awfully nit-picky, Ed. They have been around since the 1930's and are
well known. The obvious point I was making was that they were not some
new, untested company.


Not nit-picky. You should thank him. I do.

On 09/19/2010 06:43 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 19 Sep 2010 18:38:22 -0500, Matt
wrote:

On 09/19/2010 06:01 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 19 Sep 2010 10:24:36 -0400, "Ed Pawlowski"
wrote:

wrote
Fisher & Paykel top loaders have all the energy saving of a front
loader at about half the price. They are an old and reliable European
company known for their engineering and high quality that started
marketing in the US in the past 20 years.

Close, but not quite. They do have an operation in Italy making cooking
appliances and own DCS in the US.

Awfully nit-picky, Ed. They have been around since the 1930's and are
well known. The obvious point I was making was that they were not some
new, untested company.

Not nit-picky. You should thank him. I do.


nit-picky


If it doesn't matter where the company is located, then it was nit-picky
of you to mention its location in the first place.

Those front loading washing machines are not new. My mother had one in
the 50's made by Westinghouse. It washed and cleaned fine. But still
had to hang clothes out on the line to dry. Used more than gal. of
water.

Drawback of those machines in my opinion is if you forget to put
something in the washer. Don't open while in wash cycle or you will have
a flood in your house.

I'll stick with my Whirlpool washer and dryer I have had for over 20
years.

Doug Miller wrote:

3. Stop all hunting of animals unless they're not a native to their
environment.

Another wonderful idea. So we shouldn't hunt whitetail deer here in
the
Midwest, where their population is out of control? And nobody should
be
allowed to hunt mountain lions in the Southwest, where they stalk
*humans*?

Obviously you haven't thought *any* of these ideas through.

I'm sure she has and, if asked, would put forth the perfectly sensible (to
her) solution of moving the excess deer from the Midwest to mountain lion
coutry in the Southwest.

Oren wrote:
On Sun, 19 Sep 2010 10:44:21 -0700 (PDT), Molly Brown
wrote:

3. Stop all hunting of animals unless they're not a native to their
environment

Golly gee Molly. Florida stopped allowing the killing of alligators
years ago. Said they were endangered. The gators came back like
gang-busters. Often found in pools or sunning on the lawns. Folks were
soon up to their knees in gators.

Ever watch Swamp People on the History Channel? Folks would be
unemployed if they could not hunt gators. It's a way life in
Louisiana.

Heh! I saw the governor of Louisiana being interviewed by some twit after
the Feds allowed Louisiana to begin a harvesting season on alligators. The
interview went something like this (paraphrased):

Reporter: "Governor, what do you have to say to the environmentally-aware
citizens who protest the wanton killing of these magnificent animals?"

Governor: "Magnificent animals? It's obvious those people don't know nothin'
'bout gators! Son, these gators are lined up on the Interstate just a
waitin' for some fool to have a flat! Boy, we is LIP-DEEP in gators round
heah! They eva-where. Just you be givin' me the names of some of these here
'gator lovers and I'll send 'em all they can handle!"

On Sep 19, 4:52*pm, "
wrote:
On Sun, 19 Sep 2010 11:04:15 -0700 (PDT), RickH





wrote:
On Sep 19, 11:28*am, "
wrote:
On Sun, 19 Sep 2010 05:53:17 -0700 (PDT), wrote:
On Sep 19, 2:21*am, Matt wrote:
On 09/18/2010 11:31 PM, RickH wrote:

We've owned a GE "Infusion" agitatorless "energy saving" washing
machine for about 2 months now. *I have not had fully clean clothes
for about 2 months. *These things are a piece of crap, they use about
a gallon of water so the clothes basically slosh around in a small mud
puddle, never getting fully clean. *Forget about getting out tough
stains, also clothes have an odor as they never fully rinse (not
enough water) the rinse cycle is another small mud puddle. *The washer
does not even fill enough to wet all the clothes until after 10
minutes of running. *They enclosed a large yellow warning in the
manual that this is "normal", bull****, they're just covering their
asses on complaints. *I called the GE consumer line and the guy told
me flat out nobody is happy with these washers.

I'm just warning others thinking of getting one of the GE agitatorless
washers. *Stick with the tried and true, get the agitator and one that
uses a lot of water if you want it to, get a Whirlpool with mechanical
controls. *Just trying to save someone else the headache and money.

Maybe if you live in a desert, but I'm in the Great Lakes, I dont need
to conserve water to this extent water's practically free here. *These
washers have set things back to beating clothes on a rock.

I should have read the reviews first, they are not good, I'm not the
only one having dirty clothes all the time.

Thank you.

Some of these words _may_ apply:

WPR815OK WPRE615OK CEE Tier II WPR815OK WHRE55OK PerfecTemp CEE Tier I
GE General Electric GE Profile™ Topload Washer Infusor RainShower SpeedWash
HydroWave with Infusorhttp://www.geconsumerproducts.com/pressroom/press_releases/appliances...quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I didn;t even know these existed. *I thought all top loaders used an
agitator and the only washers that did not were front-loaders. * The
front-loaders work with far less water and energy, but they cost
significantly more. * I guess this shows the risk when you buy
something that isn't tried and proven. * Surprising GE would sell them
if they perform so poorly. * Anyone else make them? * Thanks for the
heads up

We've have a Whirlpool Cabrio agitatorless top-loader for a few years with no
problems, other than it has to be run empty, with bleach, periodically.. *We
bought it because the front-loaders had a miserable long-term reliability
record and were betting on this top-loader being a good trade-off. *So far
we're happy with it. *- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

How do you do pre-soaking of a large load. *Does water cover all the
clothes. *The GE one only puts a 2 inch puddle on the bottom.

The same way you do it in any other machine. *Yes, the level adjusts all the
way to the "top", just like any other top-loader.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

No, the manual specifically says the clothes will be dry at the
beginning because only a small amount of water will be at bottom of
the drum. Then the clothes eventually settle into, what I like to
call, "that mud puddle". Even when set on super size water level and
two rinses so little water is used that the dirt simply does not leave
and the clothes at the top of the pile dont even start getting wet
until 10 minutes into the cycle. Pre-soaking is not a capability
either, because that would involve allowing the drum to actually fill
with water. So I cant pre-soak my greasy pants after I work on the
car, glad the kids are not in diapers that would truly be a nightmare
with this machine.

"JimT" wrote in message
net...

"RickH" wrote in message
...
We've owned a GE "Infusion" agitatorless "energy saving" washing
machine for about 2 months now. I have not had fully clean clothes
for about 2 months. These things are a piece of crap, they use about
a gallon of water so the clothes basically slosh around in a small mud
puddle, never getting fully clean. Forget about getting out tough
stains, also clothes have an odor as they never fully rinse (not
enough water) the rinse cycle is another small mud puddle. The washer
does not even fill enough to wet all the clothes until after 10
minutes of running. They enclosed a large yellow warning in the
manual that this is "normal", bull****, they're just covering their
asses on complaints. I called the GE consumer line and the guy told
me flat out nobody is happy with these washers.

I'm just warning others thinking of getting one of the GE agitatorless
washers. Stick with the tried and true, get the agitator and one that
uses a lot of water if you want it to, get a Whirlpool with mechanical
controls. Just trying to save someone else the headache and money.

Maybe if you live in a desert, but I'm in the Great Lakes, I dont need
to conserve water to this extent water's practically free here. These
washers have set things back to beating clothes on a rock.

I should have read the reviews first, they are not good, I'm not the
only one having dirty clothes all the time.


Look for different detergents and see if one works better.

We have a WP Duet and it doesn't work well with low phosphates detergents.
But, of course, fish don't like phosphates and algae does.

Jim
I have been using a device for the past 2 years called a Laundry Pure. Use
no soap, washes done in cold water. Works well. Only time we use soap is to
pre treat some whites or pre treat really dirty clothes. I did not believe
it would work before we got it, but it does so far. Have saved a ton on
Tide.'

R

"JimT" wrote in message
net...

"RickH" wrote in message
...
We've owned a GE "Infusion" agitatorless "energy saving" washing
machine for about 2 months now. I have not had fully clean clothes
for about 2 months. These things are a piece of crap, they use about
a gallon of water so the clothes basically slosh around in a small mud
puddle, never getting fully clean. Forget about getting out tough
stains, also clothes have an odor as they never fully rinse (not
enough water) the rinse cycle is another small mud puddle. The washer
does not even fill enough to wet all the clothes until after 10
minutes of running. They enclosed a large yellow warning in the
manual that this is "normal", bull****, they're just covering their
asses on complaints. I called the GE consumer line and the guy told
me flat out nobody is happy with these washers.

I'm just warning others thinking of getting one of the GE agitatorless
washers. Stick with the tried and true, get the agitator and one that
uses a lot of water if you want it to, get a Whirlpool with mechanical
controls. Just trying to save someone else the headache and money.

Maybe if you live in a desert, but I'm in the Great Lakes, I dont need
to conserve water to this extent water's practically free here. These
washers have set things back to beating clothes on a rock.

I should have read the reviews first, they are not good, I'm not the
only one having dirty clothes all the time.


Look for different detergents and see if one works better.

We have a WP Duet and it doesn't work well with low phosphates detergents.
But, of course, fish don't like phosphates and algae does.

Jim
I have been using a device for the past 2 years called a Laundry Pure. Use
no soap, washes done in cold water. Works well. Only time we use soap is to
pre treat some whites or pre treat really dirty clothes. I did not believe
it would work before we got it, but it does so far. Have saved a ton on
Tide.'

R

"JimT" wrote in message
net...

"RickH" wrote in message
...
We've owned a GE "Infusion" agitatorless "energy saving" washing
machine for about 2 months now. I have not had fully clean clothes
for about 2 months. These things are a piece of crap, they use about
a gallon of water so the clothes basically slosh around in a small mud
puddle, never getting fully clean. Forget about getting out tough
stains, also clothes have an odor as they never fully rinse (not
enough water) the rinse cycle is another small mud puddle. The washer
does not even fill enough to wet all the clothes until after 10
minutes of running. They enclosed a large yellow warning in the
manual that this is "normal", bull****, they're just covering their
asses on complaints. I called the GE consumer line and the guy told
me flat out nobody is happy with these washers.

I'm just warning others thinking of getting one of the GE agitatorless
washers. Stick with the tried and true, get the agitator and one that
uses a lot of water if you want it to, get a Whirlpool with mechanical
controls. Just trying to save someone else the headache and money.

Maybe if you live in a desert, but I'm in the Great Lakes, I dont need
to conserve water to this extent water's practically free here. These
washers have set things back to beating clothes on a rock.

I should have read the reviews first, they are not good, I'm not the
only one having dirty clothes all the time.


Look for different detergents and see if one works better.

We have a WP Duet and it doesn't work well with low phosphates detergents.
But, of course, fish don't like phosphates and algae does.

Jim
I have been using a device for the past 2 years called a Laundry Pure. Use
no soap, washes done in cold water. Works well. Only time we use soap is to
pre treat some whites or pre treat really dirty clothes. I did not believe
it would work before we got it, but it does so far. Have saved a ton on
Tide.'

R

On Sun, 19 Sep 2010 19:27:29 -0400, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:


wrote in message
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On Sun, 19 Sep 2010 18:42:10 -0400, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

wrote in message
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On Sun, 19 Sep 2010 17:52:26 -0400, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

wrote in message
om...
On Sun, 19 Sep 2010 12:40:44 -0500, Steve Barker

wrote:

On 9/19/2010 11:28 AM, zzzzzzzzzz wrote:
On Sun, 19 Sep 2010 05:53:17 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:

On Sep 19, 2:21 am, wrote:
On 09/18/2010 11:31 PM, RickH wrote:





We've owned a GE "Infusion" agitatorless "energy saving" washing
machine for about 2 months now. I have not had fully clean
clothes
for about 2 months. These things are a piece of crap, they use
about
a gallon of water so the clothes basically slosh around in a
small
mud
puddle, never getting fully clean. Forget about getting out
tough
stains, also clothes have an odor as they never fully rinse (not
enough water) the rinse cycle is another small mud puddle. The
washer
does not even fill enough to wet all the clothes until after 10
minutes of running. They enclosed a large yellow warning in the
manual that this is "normal", bull****, they're just covering
their
asses on complaints. I called the GE consumer line and the guy
told
me flat out nobody is happy with these washers.

I'm just warning others thinking of getting one of the GE
agitatorless
washers. Stick with the tried and true, get the agitator and one
that
uses a lot of water if you want it to, get a Whirlpool with
mechanical
controls. Just trying to save someone else the headache and
money.

Maybe if you live in a desert, but I'm in the Great Lakes, I dont
need
to conserve water to this extent water's practically free here.
These
washers have set things back to beating clothes on a rock.

I should have read the reviews first, they are not good, I'm not
the
only one having dirty clothes all the time.

Thank you.

Some of these words _may_ apply:

WPR815OK WPRE615OK CEE Tier II WPR815OK WHRE55OK PerfecTemp CEE
Tier
I
GE General Electric GE ProfileT Topload Washer Infusor RainShower
SpeedWash
HydroWave with
Infusorhttp://www.geconsumerproducts.com/pressroom/press_releases/appliances...-
Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -


I didn;t even know these existed. I thought all top loaders used
an
agitator and the only washers that did not were front-loaders.
The
front-loaders work with far less water and energy, but they cost
significantly more. I guess this shows the risk when you buy
something that isn't tried and proven. Surprising GE would sell
them
if they perform so poorly. Anyone else make them? Thanks for
the
heads up

We've have a Whirlpool Cabrio agitatorless top-loader for a few
years
with no
problems, other than it has to be run empty, with bleach,
periodically.
We
bought it because the front-loaders had a miserable long-term
reliability
record and were betting on this top-loader being a good trade-off.
So
far
we're happy with it.



I'm a wondering how the front loaders could have "long-term
reliability
records" when they haven't been out a long time. LMAO!!

Totally clueless.


Why don't you explain it to those of us who are clueless?

At least you now admit that you're totally clueless. Acceptance is the
first
step.


Thank you for confessing that you are completely unable to explain your
"totally clueless" comment, addressed to Steve Barker.

Others have explained it rather well. It was, OTOH, news that you had
gotten
to step #1 of your recovery. Keep it up and in a few years you might
graduate
to moron.


He said:

I'm a wondering how the front loaders could have "long-term reliability
records" when they haven't been out a long time. LMAO!!

The word "they" refers to front loaders sold for home users.

*YOU* are an idiot. Again, nothing new.

You responded with:
Totally clueless.

Nobody has explained "it" at all, except to say that commercial front
loaders have been around for quite some time, which is true. Front loaders
for homes nearly vanished (in the U.S.) for almost 30 years. So in fact,
they do NOT have enough of a track record for anyone to predict their
longevity.

You're stupid. I can't help that.

On Sun, 19 Sep 2010 18:19:24 -0700 (PDT), RickH
wrote:

On Sep 19, 4:52*pm, "
wrote:
On Sun, 19 Sep 2010 11:04:15 -0700 (PDT), RickH





wrote:
On Sep 19, 11:28*am, "
wrote:
On Sun, 19 Sep 2010 05:53:17 -0700 (PDT), wrote:
On Sep 19, 2:21*am, Matt wrote:
On 09/18/2010 11:31 PM, RickH wrote:

We've owned a GE "Infusion" agitatorless "energy saving" washing
machine for about 2 months now. *I have not had fully clean clothes
for about 2 months. *These things are a piece of crap, they use about
a gallon of water so the clothes basically slosh around in a small mud
puddle, never getting fully clean. *Forget about getting out tough
stains, also clothes have an odor as they never fully rinse (not
enough water) the rinse cycle is another small mud puddle. *The washer
does not even fill enough to wet all the clothes until after 10
minutes of running. *They enclosed a large yellow warning in the
manual that this is "normal", bull****, they're just covering their
asses on complaints. *I called the GE consumer line and the guy told
me flat out nobody is happy with these washers.

I'm just warning others thinking of getting one of the GE agitatorless
washers. *Stick with the tried and true, get the agitator and one that
uses a lot of water if you want it to, get a Whirlpool with mechanical
controls. *Just trying to save someone else the headache and money.

Maybe if you live in a desert, but I'm in the Great Lakes, I dont need
to conserve water to this extent water's practically free here. *These
washers have set things back to beating clothes on a rock.

I should have read the reviews first, they are not good, I'm not the
only one having dirty clothes all the time.

Thank you.

Some of these words _may_ apply:

WPR815OK WPRE615OK CEE Tier II WPR815OK WHRE55OK PerfecTemp CEE Tier I
GE General Electric GE Profile™ Topload Washer Infusor RainShower SpeedWash
HydroWave with Infusorhttp://www.geconsumerproducts.com/pressroom/press_releases/appliances...quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I didn;t even know these existed. *I thought all top loaders used an
agitator and the only washers that did not were front-loaders. * The
front-loaders work with far less water and energy, but they cost
significantly more. * I guess this shows the risk when you buy
something that isn't tried and proven. * Surprising GE would sell them
if they perform so poorly. * Anyone else make them? * Thanks for the
heads up

We've have a Whirlpool Cabrio agitatorless top-loader for a few years with no
problems, other than it has to be run empty, with bleach, periodically. *We
bought it because the front-loaders had a miserable long-term reliability
record and were betting on this top-loader being a good trade-off. *So far
we're happy with it. *- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

How do you do pre-soaking of a large load. *Does water cover all the
clothes. *The GE one only puts a 2 inch puddle on the bottom.

The same way you do it in any other machine. *Yes, the level adjusts all the
way to the "top", just like any other top-loader.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

No, the manual specifically says the clothes will be dry at the
beginning because only a small amount of water will be at bottom of
the drum.

I think you're misunderstanding.

Then the clothes eventually settle into, what I like to
call, "that mud puddle". Even when set on super size water level and
two rinses so little water is used that the dirt simply does not leave
and the clothes at the top of the pile dont even start getting wet
until 10 minutes into the cycle. Pre-soaking is not a capability
either, because that would involve allowing the drum to actually fill
with water. So I cant pre-soak my greasy pants after I work on the
car, glad the kids are not in diapers that would truly be a nightmare
with this machine.

....and why did you buy this piece of junk again?

On Sun, 19 Sep 2010 18:29:18 -0500, Matt wrote:

On 09/19/2010 05:42 PM, zzzzzzzzzz wrote:
On Sun, 19 Sep 2010 16:54:28 -0500, Matt wrote:

On 09/19/2010 09:06 AM, George wrote:
On 9/19/2010 9:44 AM, RickH wrote:
On Sep 19, 1:21 am, wrote:
On 09/18/2010 11:31 PM, RickH wrote:





We've owned a GE "Infusion" agitatorless "energy saving" washing
machine for about 2 months now. I have not had fully clean clothes
for about 2 months. These things are a piece of crap, they use about
a gallon of water so the clothes basically slosh around in a small mud
puddle, never getting fully clean. Forget about getting out tough
stains, also clothes have an odor as they never fully rinse (not
enough water) the rinse cycle is another small mud puddle. The washer
does not even fill enough to wet all the clothes until after 10
minutes of running. They enclosed a large yellow warning in the
manual that this is "normal", bull****, they're just covering their
asses on complaints. I called the GE consumer line and the guy told
me flat out nobody is happy with these washers.
I'm just warning others thinking of getting one of the GE agitatorless
washers. Stick with the tried and true, get the agitator and one that
uses a lot of water if you want it to, get a Whirlpool with mechanical
controls. Just trying to save someone else the headache and money.
Maybe if you live in a desert, but I'm in the Great Lakes, I dont need
to conserve water to this extent water's practically free here. These
washers have set things back to beating clothes on a rock.
I should have read the reviews first, they are not good, I'm not the
only one having dirty clothes all the time.
Thank you.

Some of these words _may_ apply:

WPR815OK WPRE615OK CEE Tier II WPR815OK WHRE55OK PerfecTemp CEE Tier I
GE General Electric GE Profile™ Topload Washer Infusor RainShower
SpeedWash
HydroWave with
Infusorhttp://www.geconsumerproducts.com/pressroom/press_releases/appliances...-
Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Confirming, yes it's these models.

Clothes still smell like sweat (son is in football, I work out, wife
works out) and whites do not get white, neither do stains come out, or
even the gray look to sock bottoms. Also pre-soaking is totally out
of the question because washer does not fill up enough to even cover
the clothes. Also the soap powder does not fully dissolve (not enough
water to do that) I switched to liquid soap but all of the above
issues are still there. Tries more soap tried less soap, tried
everything, the basic issue here is not enough water to do much of
anything. They look impressive and roomy for the price, but they are
pieces of crap. I'm not going to resort to using scented soap as that
is just a cover up, and neither the wife or I like scented soap.

I have never been so disappointed in a purchase in my life, GE has
stonewalled me for returns, they are even stone walling the store who
is trying to get them to take it back and re-sell it in their outlet.
I wil probably try to sell it for $100 in the local classifieds, then
go buy a normal washing machine and eat the loss.



I wouldn't expect anything less from GE.

Does your area have any of the investigative TV reporters who pursue
fraud etc? It may be tough to get them interested since GE is a big
supporter of liberals and owns the most liberal network NBC.

I think I would start with whatever your local version of small claims
court is and file a complaint against GE that they defrauded you by
selling a unit that is unfit for use. At least in my state GE would need
to send one of their $500/hour lawyers to defend themselves or you would
get a default judgment.

I wonder what would happen if the purchaser told the retailer that he
was planning to take the retailer to small claims court if he won't give
a refund. I would expect that the retailer knew too that there were
problems with the model. The retailer chose to be a GE retailer along
with all that that implies.

Two (counteracting) arguments here.

- Sue everyone and let the gods (or courts) figure it out.

- By suing the retailer, the retailer is very unlikely to let on that there is
something wrong with the model, even if he knows there is.


But I doubt (as George suggested) that the manufacturer would be
compelled to defend locally in small claims court, since the mfr. had no
direct dealing with the customer.

The manufacturer made the (allegedly defective) machine. Of *course* they
would be named in any suit, if for no other reason than to let the court
figure out who is at fault (if anyone is).

I could be wrong, but I expect that
big manufacturers were able to eliminate such possibilities long ago.

You would be wrong.

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wrote:


wrote in message
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On Sun, 19 Sep 2010 18:42:10 -0400, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

wrote in message
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On Sun, 19 Sep 2010 17:52:26 -0400, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

wrote in message
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On Sun, 19 Sep 2010 12:40:44 -0500, Steve Barker

wrote:

On 9/19/2010 11:28 AM, zzzzzzzzzz wrote:
On Sun, 19 Sep 2010 05:53:17 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:

On Sep 19, 2:21 am, wrote:
On 09/18/2010 11:31 PM, RickH wrote:





We've owned a GE "Infusion" agitatorless "energy saving"
washing
machine for about 2 months now. I have not had fully clean
clothes
for about 2 months. These things are a piece of crap, they use
about
a gallon of water so the clothes basically slosh around in a
small
mud
puddle, never getting fully clean. Forget about getting out
tough
stains, also clothes have an odor as they never fully rinse
(not
enough water) the rinse cycle is another small mud puddle. The
washer
does not even fill enough to wet all the clothes until after 10
minutes of running. They enclosed a large yellow warning in
the
manual that this is "normal", bull****, they're just covering
their
asses on complaints. I called the GE consumer line and the guy
told
me flat out nobody is happy with these washers.

I'm just warning others thinking of getting one of the GE
agitatorless
washers. Stick with the tried and true, get the agitator and
one
that
uses a lot of water if you want it to, get a Whirlpool with
mechanical
controls. Just trying to save someone else the headache and
money.

Maybe if you live in a desert, but I'm in the Great Lakes, I
dont
need
to conserve water to this extent water's practically free here.
These
washers have set things back to beating clothes on a rock.

I should have read the reviews first, they are not good, I'm
not
the
only one having dirty clothes all the time.

Thank you.

Some of these words _may_ apply:

WPR815OK WPRE615OK CEE Tier II WPR815OK WHRE55OK PerfecTemp CEE
Tier
I
GE General Electric GE ProfileT Topload Washer Infusor
RainShower
SpeedWash
HydroWave with
Infusorhttp://www.geconsumerproducts.com/pressroom/press_releases/appliances...-
Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -


I didn;t even know these existed. I thought all top loaders used
an
agitator and the only washers that did not were front-loaders.
The
front-loaders work with far less water and energy, but they cost
significantly more. I guess this shows the risk when you buy
something that isn't tried and proven. Surprising GE would sell
them
if they perform so poorly. Anyone else make them? Thanks for
the
heads up

We've have a Whirlpool Cabrio agitatorless top-loader for a few
years
with no
problems, other than it has to be run empty, with bleach,
periodically.
We
bought it because the front-loaders had a miserable long-term
reliability
record and were betting on this top-loader being a good trade-off.
So
far
we're happy with it.



I'm a wondering how the front loaders could have "long-term
reliability
records" when they haven't been out a long time. LMAO!!

Totally clueless.


Why don't you explain it to those of us who are clueless?

At least you now admit that you're totally clueless. Acceptance is
the
first
step.


Thank you for confessing that you are completely unable to explain your
"totally clueless" comment, addressed to Steve Barker.

Others have explained it rather well. It was, OTOH, news that you had
gotten
to step #1 of your recovery. Keep it up and in a few years you might
graduate
to moron.


He said:

I'm a wondering how the front loaders could have "long-term reliability
records" when they haven't been out a long time. LMAO!!

The word "they" refers to front loaders sold for home users.

*YOU* are an idiot. Again, nothing new.

You responded with:
Totally clueless.

Nobody has explained "it" at all, except to say that commercial front
loaders have been around for quite some time, which is true. Front loaders
for homes nearly vanished (in the U.S.) for almost 30 years. So in fact,
they do NOT have enough of a track record for anyone to predict their
longevity.

You're stupid. I can't help that.


Your insolence is rather odd, but you'll grow out of it as you pass through
your teen years into adulthood.

On Sun, 19 Sep 2010 22:01:09 -0400, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

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On Sun, 19 Sep 2010 19:27:29 -0400, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:


wrote in message
...
On Sun, 19 Sep 2010 18:42:10 -0400, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

wrote in message
om...
On Sun, 19 Sep 2010 17:52:26 -0400, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

wrote in message
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On Sun, 19 Sep 2010 12:40:44 -0500, Steve Barker

wrote:

On 9/19/2010 11:28 AM, zzzzzzzzzz wrote:
On Sun, 19 Sep 2010 05:53:17 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:

On Sep 19, 2:21 am, wrote:
On 09/18/2010 11:31 PM, RickH wrote:





We've owned a GE "Infusion" agitatorless "energy saving"
washing
machine for about 2 months now. I have not had fully clean
clothes
for about 2 months. These things are a piece of crap, they use
about
a gallon of water so the clothes basically slosh around in a
small
mud
puddle, never getting fully clean. Forget about getting out
tough
stains, also clothes have an odor as they never fully rinse
(not
enough water) the rinse cycle is another small mud puddle. The
washer
does not even fill enough to wet all the clothes until after 10
minutes of running. They enclosed a large yellow warning in
the
manual that this is "normal", bull****, they're just covering
their
asses on complaints. I called the GE consumer line and the guy
told
me flat out nobody is happy with these washers.

I'm just warning others thinking of getting one of the GE
agitatorless
washers. Stick with the tried and true, get the agitator and
one
that
uses a lot of water if you want it to, get a Whirlpool with
mechanical
controls. Just trying to save someone else the headache and
money.

Maybe if you live in a desert, but I'm in the Great Lakes, I
dont
need
to conserve water to this extent water's practically free here.
These
washers have set things back to beating clothes on a rock.

I should have read the reviews first, they are not good, I'm
not
the
only one having dirty clothes all the time.

Thank you.

Some of these words _may_ apply:

WPR815OK WPRE615OK CEE Tier II WPR815OK WHRE55OK PerfecTemp CEE
Tier
I
GE General Electric GE ProfileT Topload Washer Infusor
RainShower
SpeedWash
HydroWave with
Infusorhttp://www.geconsumerproducts.com/pressroom/press_releases/appliances...-
Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -


I didn;t even know these existed. I thought all top loaders used
an
agitator and the only washers that did not were front-loaders.
The
front-loaders work with far less water and energy, but they cost
significantly more. I guess this shows the risk when you buy
something that isn't tried and proven. Surprising GE would sell
them
if they perform so poorly. Anyone else make them? Thanks for
the
heads up

We've have a Whirlpool Cabrio agitatorless top-loader for a few
years
with no
problems, other than it has to be run empty, with bleach,
periodically.
We
bought it because the front-loaders had a miserable long-term
reliability
record and were betting on this top-loader being a good trade-off.
So
far
we're happy with it.



I'm a wondering how the front loaders could have "long-term
reliability
records" when they haven't been out a long time. LMAO!!

Totally clueless.


Why don't you explain it to those of us who are clueless?

At least you now admit that you're totally clueless. Acceptance is
the
first
step.


Thank you for confessing that you are completely unable to explain your
"totally clueless" comment, addressed to Steve Barker.

Others have explained it rather well. It was, OTOH, news that you had
gotten
to step #1 of your recovery. Keep it up and in a few years you might
graduate
to moron.


He said:

I'm a wondering how the front loaders could have "long-term reliability
records" when they haven't been out a long time. LMAO!!

The word "they" refers to front loaders sold for home users.

*YOU* are an idiot. Again, nothing new.

You responded with:
Totally clueless.

Nobody has explained "it" at all, except to say that commercial front
loaders have been around for quite some time, which is true. Front loaders
for homes nearly vanished (in the U.S.) for almost 30 years. So in fact,
they do NOT have enough of a track record for anyone to predict their
longevity.

You're stupid. I can't help that.


Your insolence is rather odd, but you'll grow out of it as you pass through
your teen years into adulthood.

Perhaps, but stupid is forever.

JoeSpareBedroom wrote:

Your insolence is rather odd, but you'll grow out of it as you pass through
your teen years into adulthood.


KRW is/was an EE (electrical engineer) if I'm not mistaken.

On Sun, 19 Sep 2010 21:34:27 -0500, Dean Hoffman
wrote:

JoeSpareBedroom wrote:

Your insolence is rather odd, but you'll grow out of it as you pass through
your teen years into adulthood.


KRW is/was an EE (electrical engineer) if I'm not mistaken.

Sure. Retired once, but wanted to have more fun so went back for a second
round (i.e. still actively working), if that gives another clue but JSB is
terminally clueless.

On Sep 19, 7:19*pm, RickH wrote:
On Sep 19, 4:52*pm, "



wrote:
On Sun, 19 Sep 2010 11:04:15 -0700 (PDT), RickH

wrote:
On Sep 19, 11:28*am, "
wrote:
On Sun, 19 Sep 2010 05:53:17 -0700 (PDT), wrote:
On Sep 19, 2:21*am, Matt wrote:
On 09/18/2010 11:31 PM, RickH wrote:

We've owned a GE "Infusion" agitatorless "energy saving" washing
machine for about 2 months now. *I have not had fully clean clothes
for about 2 months. *These things are a piece of crap, they use about
a gallon of water so the clothes basically slosh around in a small mud
puddle, never getting fully clean. *Forget about getting out tough
stains, also clothes have an odor as they never fully rinse (not
enough water) the rinse cycle is another small mud puddle. *The washer
does not even fill enough to wet all the clothes until after 10
minutes of running. *They enclosed a large yellow warning in the
manual that this is "normal", bull****, they're just covering their
asses on complaints. *I called the GE consumer line and the guy told
me flat out nobody is happy with these washers.

I'm just warning others thinking of getting one of the GE agitatorless
washers. *Stick with the tried and true, get the agitator and one that
uses a lot of water if you want it to, get a Whirlpool with mechanical
controls. *Just trying to save someone else the headache and money.

Maybe if you live in a desert, but I'm in the Great Lakes, I dont need
to conserve water to this extent water's practically free here. *These
washers have set things back to beating clothes on a rock.

I should have read the reviews first, they are not good, I'm not the
only one having dirty clothes all the time.

Thank you.

Some of these words _may_ apply:

WPR815OK WPRE615OK CEE Tier II WPR815OK WHRE55OK PerfecTemp CEE Tier I
GE General Electric GE Profile™ Topload Washer Infusor RainShower SpeedWash
HydroWave with Infusorhttp://www.geconsumerproducts.com/pressroom/press_releases/appliances...text -

- Show quoted text -

I didn;t even know these existed. *I thought all top loaders used an
agitator and the only washers that did not were front-loaders. * The
front-loaders work with far less water and energy, but they cost
significantly more. * I guess this shows the risk when you buy
something that isn't tried and proven. * Surprising GE would sell them
if they perform so poorly. * Anyone else make them? * Thanks for the
heads up

We've have a Whirlpool Cabrio agitatorless top-loader for a few years with no
problems, other than it has to be run empty, with bleach, periodically. *We
bought it because the front-loaders had a miserable long-term reliability
record and were betting on this top-loader being a good trade-off. *So far
we're happy with it. *- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

How do you do pre-soaking of a large load. *Does water cover all the
clothes. *The GE one only puts a 2 inch puddle on the bottom.

The same way you do it in any other machine. *Yes, the level adjusts all the
way to the "top", just like any other top-loader.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

No, the manual specifically says the clothes will be dry at the
beginning because only a small amount of water will be at bottom of
the drum. *Then the clothes eventually settle into, what I like to
call, "that mud puddle". *Even when set on super size water level and
two rinses so little water is used that the dirt simply does not leave
and the clothes at the top of the pile dont even start getting wet
until 10 minutes into the cycle. *Pre-soaking is not a capability
either, because that would involve allowing the drum to actually fill
with water. *So I cant pre-soak my greasy pants after I work on the
car, glad the kids are not in diapers that would truly be a nightmare
with this machine.

==
LIke I told you in a prior post...your controls are FAULTY or your
settings are incorrectly programmed. Have you even checked to see if
the water hose valves are even fully opened and clear of silt, etc.?

Get someone with expertise to check this machine out...there is
something fishy here.
==

"Dean Hoffman" wrote in message
...
JoeSpareBedroom wrote:

Your insolence is rather odd, but you'll grow out of it as you pass
through your teen years into adulthood.

KRW is/was an EE (electrical engineer) if I'm not mistaken.


Oh, OK. In that case, he is yet another example of someone who retired
incorrectly. People like that are all over usenet.

"Roy" wrote in message
...
On Sep 19, 7:19 pm, RickH wrote:
On Sep 19, 4:52 pm, "



wrote:
On Sun, 19 Sep 2010 11:04:15 -0700 (PDT), RickH

wrote:
On Sep 19, 11:28 am, "
wrote:
On Sun, 19 Sep 2010 05:53:17 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:
On Sep 19, 2:21 am, Matt wrote:
On 09/18/2010 11:31 PM, RickH wrote:

We've owned a GE "Infusion" agitatorless "energy saving" washing
machine for about 2 months now. I have not had fully clean
clothes
for about 2 months. These things are a piece of crap, they use
about
a gallon of water so the clothes basically slosh around in a
small mud
puddle, never getting fully clean. Forget about getting out
tough
stains, also clothes have an odor as they never fully rinse (not
enough water) the rinse cycle is another small mud puddle. The
washer
does not even fill enough to wet all the clothes until after 10
minutes of running. They enclosed a large yellow warning in the
manual that this is "normal", bull****, they're just covering
their
asses on complaints. I called the GE consumer line and the guy
told
me flat out nobody is happy with these washers.

I'm just warning others thinking of getting one of the GE
agitatorless
washers. Stick with the tried and true, get the agitator and one
that
uses a lot of water if you want it to, get a Whirlpool with
mechanical
controls. Just trying to save someone else the headache and
money.

Maybe if you live in a desert, but I'm in the Great Lakes, I
dont need
to conserve water to this extent water's practically free here.
These
washers have set things back to beating clothes on a rock.

I should have read the reviews first, they are not good, I'm not
the
only one having dirty clothes all the time.

Thank you.

Some of these words _may_ apply:

WPR815OK WPRE615OK CEE Tier II WPR815OK WHRE55OK PerfecTemp CEE
Tier I
GE General Electric GE Profile™ Topload Washer Infusor RainShower
SpeedWash
HydroWave with
Infusorhttp://www.geconsumerproducts.com/pressroom/press_releases/appliances...text
-

- Show quoted text -

I didn;t even know these existed. I thought all top loaders used an
agitator and the only washers that did not were front-loaders. The
front-loaders work with far less water and energy, but they cost
significantly more. I guess this shows the risk when you buy
something that isn't tried and proven. Surprising GE would sell them
if they perform so poorly. Anyone else make them? Thanks for the
heads up

We've have a Whirlpool Cabrio agitatorless top-loader for a few years
with no
problems, other than it has to be run empty, with bleach,
periodically. We
bought it because the front-loaders had a miserable long-term
reliability
record and were betting on this top-loader being a good trade-off. So
far
we're happy with it. - Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

How do you do pre-soaking of a large load. Does water cover all the
clothes. The GE one only puts a 2 inch puddle on the bottom.

The same way you do it in any other machine. Yes, the level adjusts all
the
way to the "top", just like any other top-loader.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

No, the manual specifically says the clothes will be dry at the
beginning because only a small amount of water will be at bottom of
the drum. Then the clothes eventually settle into, what I like to
call, "that mud puddle". Even when set on super size water level and
two rinses so little water is used that the dirt simply does not leave
and the clothes at the top of the pile dont even start getting wet
until 10 minutes into the cycle. Pre-soaking is not a capability
either, because that would involve allowing the drum to actually fill
with water. So I cant pre-soak my greasy pants after I work on the
car, glad the kids are not in diapers that would truly be a nightmare
with this machine.

==
LIke I told you in a prior post...your controls are FAULTY or your
settings are incorrectly programmed. Have you even checked to see if
the water hose valves are even fully opened and clear of silt, etc.?

Get someone with expertise to check this machine out...there is
something fishy here.
==

The machine may actually be working as designed, although his observations
sound absurd. But in order for him to have any kind of a case against GE, it
would be a good idea to arrange for a service call while the thing is under
warranty. This way, someone else can document their observations.

On Mon, 20 Sep 2010 07:13:31 -0400, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"Dean Hoffman" wrote in message
...
JoeSpareBedroom wrote:

Your insolence is rather odd, but you'll grow out of it as you pass
through your teen years into adulthood.

KRW is/was an EE (electrical engineer) if I'm not mistaken.


Oh, OK. In that case, he is yet another example of someone who retired
incorrectly. People like that are all over usenet.

You really are stupid beyond belief.