"cshenk" wrote

Snipped but LOL! Best part was no floor anchoring. That was the least
fun part of finishing a basement but it's got to be done and done right.
Yep. One of the best things anyone has invented for building recently, is
the self tapping concrete screw. Trying to anchor anything in old concrete
used to mean a gunpowder powered nail, but now, drill a hole and drive a
screw. So easy. Also, if any of you don't yet have an impact driver
(cordless) you need to get one. They are the stuff for driving hard to
drive things like concrete screws, and deck type screws.
--
Jim in NC

"HeyBub" wrote in message
m...

BOOKS? In a LIBRARY? How quaint.

Mine has hand puppets, games, wall art, toys, videos, and a few other odds
and ends.

They do have a spinner rack containing historical romances ("bodice
rippers") with a sign: "Leave two, take two".

Our local library has a gazillion or so books, along with some CD and DVDs.
Haven't seen any toys or hand-puppets outside the little section they have
tucked away in one corner for moms and young kids. I can say with
confidence that 90%+ of their space is devoted to books. They're happy to
bring in titles from other libraries upon request too.

Libraries have abrogated their classical role as repositories of
information. Most should be burnt to the ground and the ashes scattered.
Not to worry, you won't be burning books!

You forgot to mention lynching the librarians.

To be even more topical, there are libraries in Berkeley that loans tools
(power saws, pressure washers, ladders, post hole diggers, etc.). Buncha
goddamn communists, you ask me.

Heaven forbid that anyone should be able to fix up their home without
somebody making a profit off it. Come to think of it the whole idea of
people being able to *borrow* books rather than buying them is pretty damned
commie too.

"HeyBub" wrote in message
m...
JoeSpareBedroom wrote:

I have a theory that the internet is behind the pathetic trend toward
helplessness. I wonder how many youngsters consider going to the
library for a book to help them with a project they've never
attempted. Does anyone even notice that there are shelves full of
books as you walk into Home Depot or Lowe's?


BOOKS? In a LIBRARY? How quaint.

Mine has hand puppets, games, wall art, toys, videos, and a few other odds
and ends.

They do have a spinner rack containing historical romances ("bodice
rippers") with a sign: "Leave two, take two".

Libraries have abrogated their classical role as repositories of
information. Most should be burnt to the ground and the ashes scattered.
Not to worry, you won't be burning books!

To be even more topical, there are libraries in Berkeley that loans tools
(power saws, pressure washers, ladders, post hole diggers, etc.). Buncha
goddamn communists, you ask me.



If that's how things are where you live, it's because of YOU.

On 8/7/2010 4:12 PM, JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
wrote in message
m...
JoeSpareBedroom wrote:

I have a theory that the internet is behind the pathetic trend toward
helplessness. I wonder how many youngsters consider going to the
library for a book to help them with a project they've never
attempted. Does anyone even notice that there are shelves full of
books as you walk into Home Depot or Lowe's?


BOOKS? In a LIBRARY? How quaint.

Mine has hand puppets, games, wall art, toys, videos, and a few other odds
and ends.

They do have a spinner rack containing historical romances ("bodice
rippers") with a sign: "Leave two, take two".

Libraries have abrogated their classical role as repositories of
information. Most should be burnt to the ground and the ashes scattered.
Not to worry, you won't be burning books!

To be even more topical, there are libraries in Berkeley that loans tools
(power saws, pressure washers, ladders, post hole diggers, etc.). Buncha
goddamn communists, you ask me.



If that's how things are where you live, it's because of YOU.

Uh, how is what the libraries contain "because of HIM"?

In most towns the library has limited shelf space and tosses anything
that doesn't move regularly. Are you saying that he should go regularly
check out carpentry books that cover material that he has long since
mastered just so the library will keep them?

On Sat, 7 Aug 2010 09:29:02 -0700, "DGDevin" wrote:



"aemeijers" wrote in message
m...

I ain't proud- for stuff I don't know how to do, I'll seek out someone
who does, even when I have to pay for it. And with the passing years, my
understanding of the holes in my expertise has become more detailed.

Oh yeah, that's why I hired a guy to do the plaster in our bedroom rather
than make a mess of it myself. I also hired somebody to refinish the
hardware floor, although having watched it done I'd be prepared to tackle
that myself next time. The stuff like baseboard and painting and redoing my
wife's closet I did because I figured I could.

Plaster is an art, not something I'd ever have the time or need to learn. I
also hired someone to put in a hardwood (bamboo, actually) floor. I wish I'd
just bitten the bullet and done it myself. I had never seen it done and
thought it would have taken a lot more knowledge to do. I did tile without
having seen it done and there's a lot more to tile, IMO.

BTW, if you want to get on your wife's good side, design and build her a new
closet that increases her clothing storage capacity by 50% in the same
closet--that's Eggs Benedict for breakfast for quite some time.

She would never do that to me. Though on second thought, she might because it
does take me a lot of time to actually finish projects. ;-)

DGDevin wrote:
"HeyBub" wrote in message
m...

BOOKS? In a LIBRARY? How quaint.

Mine has hand puppets, games, wall art, toys, videos, and a few
other odds and ends.

They do have a spinner rack containing historical romances ("bodice
rippers") with a sign: "Leave two, take two".

Our local library has a gazillion or so books, along with some CD and
DVDs. Haven't seen any toys or hand-puppets outside the little
section they have tucked away in one corner for moms and young kids. I can
say with confidence that 90%+ of their space is devoted to
books. They're happy to bring in titles from other libraries upon
request too.

Go to the circulation desk and ask for the following:
* Encyclopedia Judaica
* Marquis Who's Who
* Cumulative Books In Print
* Oxford English Dictionary
* Physician's Desk Reference

Report back.



Libraries have abrogated their classical role as repositories of
information. Most should be burnt to the ground and the ashes
scattered. Not to worry, you won't be burning books!

You forgot to mention lynching the librarians.



Good idea! It will put a stop to the following category of conversations:

Cop: "Did you report a man exposing himself?"
Librarian: "Yes, I did. He exposed himself right over there - at the
computer in the children's section."
Cop: "Do you know who it was?"
Librarian: "Yes."
Cop: "(???) Well, who was it?"
Librarian: "I'm not going to tell you because we respect our patron's
privacy."



To be even more topical, there are libraries in Berkeley that loans
tools (power saws, pressure washers, ladders, post hole diggers,
etc.). Buncha goddamn communists, you ask me.

Heaven forbid that anyone should be able to fix up their home without
somebody making a profit off it. Come to think of it the whole idea
of people being able to *borrow* books rather than buying them is
pretty damned commie too.

Lending libraries started during the Middle Ages because books were
expensive. Used books can be had for as little as ten cents on Amazon, so
the original need for libraries has vanished.

It's the foot-in-the-water problem. What's to stop Berkeley from loaning out
party supplies (you need 200 folding chairs for a garden wedding), selling
ice-cream or gasoline at cost, operating parking lots, or, God forbid,
offering free medical services?

HeyBub wrote:
DGDevin wrote:
"HeyBub" wrote in message
m...

BOOKS? In a LIBRARY? How quaint.

Mine has hand puppets, games, wall art, toys, videos, and a few
other odds and ends.

They do have a spinner rack containing historical romances ("bodice
rippers") with a sign: "Leave two, take two".
Our local library has a gazillion or so books, along with some CD and
DVDs. Haven't seen any toys or hand-puppets outside the little
section they have tucked away in one corner for moms and young kids. I can
say with confidence that 90%+ of their space is devoted to
books. They're happy to bring in titles from other libraries upon
request too.

Go to the circulation desk and ask for the following:
* Encyclopedia Judaica
* Marquis Who's Who
* Cumulative Books In Print
* Oxford English Dictionary
* Physician's Desk Reference

Report back.


Even in a 'real' library, like at a major university, hardcopy versions
of expensive reference works are getting rare. Cheaper and safer for
them to have the DVD version on a local server, or use their house
terminals as a portal to the by-subscription secure (and not visible to
the public internet) web site.

Of course, if the power goes out, and the long haul telecom fails in
long term fashion, we're all gonna start missing the dead-tree editions.
(Even the illiterati barbarians know how to use books to start a fire
come winter.)

--
aem sends...
--
aem sends...

aemeijers wrote:

Go to the circulation desk and ask for the following:
* Encyclopedia Judaica
* Marquis Who's Who
* Cumulative Books In Print
* Oxford English Dictionary
* Physician's Desk Reference

Report back.


Even in a 'real' library, like at a major university, hardcopy
versions of expensive reference works are getting rare. Cheaper and
safer for them to have the DVD version on a local server, or use
their house terminals as a portal to the by-subscription secure (and
not visible to the public internet) web site.

Of course, if the power goes out, and the long haul telecom fails in
long term fashion, we're all gonna start missing the dead-tree
editions. (Even the illiterati barbarians know how to use books to
start a fire come winter.)


Yep. Electronic books are the coming thing. There's even a free, open
source, software package (Calibre) that allows you to store unlimited books
on your computer's hard drive, transfer them between your ebook reader, and
change formats so your Kindle can read a Sony download.

If you get a chance, read an old (1989) novel, "Cyberbook" by Ben Bova. It
deals with a young engineer trying to introduce an electronic book.

Actually, Cyberbook is a spoof of the book industry.

For example, Web Press (the fictious publisher) hires an efficiency expert
who demands that the company save five cents per hundredweight on the glue
used in perfect bindings (paperbacks). Unfortunately, the new glue has two
problems: (1) At temperatures greater than one hundred degrees (as in a UPS
truck), the glue decomposes, and (2) The decomposing glue not only releases
the pages it also releases an hallucinatory gas such that the hippies in
each bookstore's receiving department are compelled to rip off their clothes
and run into the selling area screaming "French people are burning me with
cigarettes!" If you've ever imagined a naked bookstore employee, you can
imagine how ghastly the situation became.

Also, again in the name of efficiency, Web Press automated their warehouse.
Robotic machines traveled the warehouse on rails picking cases of books from
the shelves. Unfortunately, due to an oversight, the robots could only reach
four shelves high, and the warehouse had five shelves. This oddity was
overcome by the simple expedient of hiring dwarves to ride atop the robots
to reach the higher shelf. This in turn generated another problem inasmuch
as the dwarves often fell off the robots and were run over...

On Aug 7, 7:27*am, "Robert Green" wrote:
"DGDevin" wrote in message

m...

"Robert Green" wrote in message
...

In short, WD has failed to teach her how to do nearly everything that
ten
years of experience makes it seem easy. *There was never any admission
she
was in over her head. *This was someone else's fault. *She did not know
all
the things she needed to know and did not even KNOW how deficient her
knowledge was!

Well I've never had any training on how to fix or modify PCs, yet over the

. . .

For at least ten years, there WAS no formal training in PCs to speak of, but
if you read the instructions, the trade mags, BBS faqs and the like AND you
had a feel for such things, you could easily learn enough to get by better
than most. *I've built about thirty machines and fixed God knows how many
more. *I've ruined a lot of gear, too - but experience gained is
proportional to the amount of equipment destroyed (-:. *I also got a lot of
stuff after the fact - like people blowing a power supply trying to install
an AGP video card in a machine without an AGP video card slot. *Botched
memory and hard drive upgrades accounted for a lot of the DOA's that ended
up on my workbench.



. . . years (my first PC had an 8088 processor) *I've successfully
installed hard
drives, audio and video cards, power supplies and so on. *I think the
trick
is in being able to honestly gauge what one can or cannot do, and in being
able to follow instructions (and know when to call for help). *Some people
just don't seem set up for that sort of problem solving. *I once ran a
business where we made good money undoing the "repairs" and "customizing"
such folks did....

If you can do a brake job, you can do a lot of PC repair. *The devil is in
the details. *But what do you do when you've got a new drive that just won't
boot no matter what? *Or a new CD burner that keeps spitting out coasters
(back when blanks were $5 each!)? * Or a modem that won't stay on line?
That's where skill, experience and good problem solving skills come into
play.

(Don't get me started on problem solving skills. *We hired a lot of
"wannabees" in our IT department because management was unwilling to pay top
dollar for really good people. *What they didn't realize was that by hiring
incompetents to service machines that engineers, accountants, lawyers and
others depended on to do THEIR work, net productivity plummeted. *It was
really false economy.)

You can tell by watching which techies evaluate all the clues first and
which guys come in and do a "defrag" as the universal solution to all
problems without a single actual thought about what the problem is or how to
fix it. *It's almost like Dell tech support, gleefully leading people to
restore from the system disks without mentioning it would wipe out all their
existing data.







Putting up a wall must seem the same to some people. *At one time, in
real
life or on TV, they see some master carpenter put up a wall and it looks
SO
easy. *They know they can make all those same motions so off they go,
never
even bothering to check out a Time-Life book from the library (old
world)
or
Google it on line (new world).

I find watching someone who knows what he is doing to be way more
educational than an instruction manual could possibly be (at least for
me).
And if you're paying attention you notice things, like the carpenter is
driving nails in sort of a criss-cross fashion and without being told why
it
seems to make sense.

The person I am describing was so self-absorbed she would not notice in a
million years how a craftsman did their work. *She moved out of a rooftop
condo at a LOSS at the height of the real estate boom because the roof
leaked in the rain. *She would go slate blank whenever confronted with
something that was "too hard" like condo maintenance, computers, cars or
income taxes.



I don't know if this building/fixing ability is
something we're born with (or without) or if it can be learned, but
clearly
a lot of otherwise functioning adults don't see to have it.

You can say that again. *My sister couldn't survive in the modern world
without technical assistance from my BIL and my nephew. *I think it's
genetic because as soon I turned thirteen, I was building, building,
building. Fortunately, I had some great carpenters and cabinet makers to
watch. *That makes a big difference but some people could be watching
Michaelangelo creating a sculpture and not learn one thing about his
technique.

But who knows,
the same people who can't figure out how to hook up a hard drive or nail a
stud in place probably have other talents--at least I hope so.

Let's hope so. *I tend to find cluelessness in one area is often a good sign
of cluelessness in others. *But I think in these cases it's more than that.
It's not knowing that you don't know what you're doing. *That's a slightly
more dangerous sort of ignorance than garden-variety dumb.

--
Bobby G.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

My paperwork skills SUCK

But I have great mechanical ability to fix things, can strike up a
conversation with a total stranger and tend to be a good surviivor
when things go bad.

On Aug 6, 6:36*pm, (Doug Miller) wrote:
I'm just finishing the demolition phase of a minor remodeling project in my
basement, removing about 8 feet of wall installed by a previous homeowner..
This project teaches a lesson:

How NOT to Build a Wall, in Ten Easy Steps

1. Install the studs at random intervals.
2. Don't bother securing the bottom plate to the floor. If you cut a few of
the studs just a bit long, and force-fit them, friction will keep the bottom
plate in place.
3. Don't bother nailing those studs in place. Friction, remember?
4. Attach remaining studs to plates with six-penny box nails.
5. Use eight at each end because they're so small.
6. It's OK to use untreated lumber for the bottom plate. Water seepage won't
harm fir, will it?
7. Use regular sheetrock for the entire wall. Water seepage won't harm that
either, will it?
8. The doorpost doesn't need to be attached to the bottom plate. The sheetrock
will keep it from moving.
9. Nail the sheetrock every 3 inches along each vertical edge.
10. That gives you enough nails that you don't need to nail it anywhere else.

And don't _even_ get me started on the electrical code violations I found
inside that wall...

Why, oh why, do people with no knowledge or experience of the building trades
imagine that they are competent to do their own construction?

When I got around to changing the old kitchen into a bedroom after
adding an addition, I found that the proud former owner had used
scraps of sheetrock to do the walls. Pieces as small a 1' square!
the price of mud he used probablywould have bought new sheetrock.

Harry K

On 8/08/10 9:56 AM, Harry K wrote:
On Aug 6, 6:36 pm, (Doug Miller) wrote:
I'm just finishing the demolition phase of a minor remodeling project in my
basement, removing about 8 feet of wall installed by a previous homeowner.
This project teaches a lesson:

How NOT to Build a Wall, in Ten Easy Steps

1. Install the studs at random intervals.
2. Don't bother securing the bottom plate to the floor. If you cut a few of
the studs just a bit long, and force-fit them, friction will keep the bottom
plate in place.
3. Don't bother nailing those studs in place. Friction, remember?
4. Attach remaining studs to plates with six-penny box nails.
5. Use eight at each end because they're so small.
6. It's OK to use untreated lumber for the bottom plate. Water seepage won't
harm fir, will it?
7. Use regular sheetrock for the entire wall. Water seepage won't harm that
either, will it?
8. The doorpost doesn't need to be attached to the bottom plate. The sheetrock
will keep it from moving.
9. Nail the sheetrock every 3 inches along each vertical edge.
10. That gives you enough nails that you don't need to nail it anywhere else.

And don't _even_ get me started on the electrical code violations I found
inside that wall...

Why, oh why, do people with no knowledge or experience of the building trades
imagine that they are competent to do their own construction?

When I got around to changing the old kitchen into a bedroom after
adding an addition, I found that the proud former owner had used
scraps of sheetrock to do the walls. Pieces as small a 1' square!
the price of mud he used probablywould have bought new sheetrock.

I don't even want to know how you hand a 1' square piece of drywall on
studs with a 16" centre. yikes.

--
Froz...


The system will be down for 10 days for preventive maintenance.

In article ,
FrozenNorth wrote:

I don't even want to know how you hand a 1' square piece of drywall on
studs with a 16" centre. yikes.

Why wouldn't you want to know? You could be lost in a post-apocalyptic
wasteland some day, with your survival dependent on realizing that by
rotating a 12" square 45 degrees you can span the better part of 17".

In ,
Doug Miller typed:
I'm just finishing the demolition phase of a minor
remodeling project in my basement, removing about 8 feet of
wall installed by a previous homeowner. This project
teaches a lesson:

How NOT to Build a Wall, in Ten Easy Steps

1. Install the studs at random intervals.
2. Don't bother securing the bottom plate to the floor. If
you cut a few of the studs just a bit long, and force-fit
them, friction will keep the bottom plate in place.
3. Don't bother nailing those studs in place. Friction,
remember?
4. Attach remaining studs to plates with six-penny box
nails.
5. Use eight at each end because they're so small.
6. It's OK to use untreated lumber for the bottom plate.
Water seepage won't harm fir, will it?
7. Use regular sheetrock for the entire wall. Water seepage
won't harm that either, will it?
8. The doorpost doesn't need to be attached to the bottom
plate. The sheetrock will keep it from moving.
9. Nail the sheetrock every 3 inches along each vertical
edge.
10. That gives you enough nails that you don't need to nail
it anywhere else.

And don't _even_ get me started on the electrical code
violations I found inside that wall...

Why, oh why, do people with no knowledge or experience of
the building trades imagine that they are competent to do
their own construction?

Not all do; some post here instead.

On Aug 8, 7:47*am, FrozenNorth
wrote:
On 8/08/10 9:56 AM, Harry K wrote:



On Aug 6, 6:36 pm, (Doug Miller) wrote:
I'm just finishing the demolition phase of a minor remodeling project in my
basement, removing about 8 feet of wall installed by a previous homeowner.
This project teaches a lesson:

How NOT to Build a Wall, in Ten Easy Steps

1. Install the studs at random intervals.
2. Don't bother securing the bottom plate to the floor. If you cut a few of
the studs just a bit long, and force-fit them, friction will keep the bottom
plate in place.
3. Don't bother nailing those studs in place. Friction, remember?
4. Attach remaining studs to plates with six-penny box nails.
5. Use eight at each end because they're so small.
6. It's OK to use untreated lumber for the bottom plate. Water seepage won't
harm fir, will it?
7. Use regular sheetrock for the entire wall. Water seepage won't harm that
either, will it?
8. The doorpost doesn't need to be attached to the bottom plate. The sheetrock
will keep it from moving.
9. Nail the sheetrock every 3 inches along each vertical edge.
10. That gives you enough nails that you don't need to nail it anywhere else.

And don't _even_ get me started on the electrical code violations I found
inside that wall...

Why, oh why, do people with no knowledge or experience of the building trades
imagine that they are competent to do their own construction?

When I got around to changing the old kitchen into a bedroom after
adding an addition, I found that the proud former owner had used
scraps of sheetrock to do the walls. *Pieces as small a 1' square!
the price of mud he used probablywould have bought new sheetrock.

I don't even want to know how you hand a 1' square piece of drywall on
studs with a 16" centre. *yikes.

--
Froz...

The system will be down for 10 days for preventive maintenance.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Old construction, the walls were the old wood ship lap. This must
have been built way back. After some research I found out it had been
_two_ shacks shoved together.

Harry K

On Aug 6, 11:33*pm, Rich wrote:
Leon wrote:

"Doug Miller" wrote in message
...
I'm just finishing the demolition phase of a minor remodeling project in
my
basement, removing about 8 feet of wall installed by a previous
homeowner. This project teaches a lesson:

How NOT to Build a Wall, in Ten Easy Steps

1. Install the studs at random intervals.
2. Don't bother securing the bottom plate to the floor. If you cut a few
of
the studs just a bit long, and force-fit them, friction will keep the
bottom
plate in place.
3. Don't bother nailing those studs in place. Friction, remember?
4. Attach remaining studs to plates with six-penny box nails.
5. Use eight at each end because they're so small.
6. It's OK to use untreated lumber for the bottom plate. Water seepage
won't
harm fir, will it?
7. Use regular sheetrock for the entire wall. Water seepage won't harm
that
either, will it?
8. The doorpost doesn't need to be attached to the bottom plate. The
sheetrock
will keep it from moving.
9. Nail the sheetrock every 3 inches along each vertical edge.
10. That gives you enough nails that you don't need to nail it anywhere
else.

What shocks me and is a common practice is to install interior door jams
with no nails in the jam. *Staples in the jam moldings hold it all in
place. They don't need no stinkin shims.

Thats common practice on most new homes today. The rough openings are very
tight and they nail right to it then hold it together with the casement
trim. I still do it the old fashion way. *shim shim shim...
--
"You can lead them to LINUX
but you can't make them THINK"

Man. 2010.1 Spring
KDE4.4
2.6.33.5-desktop-2mnb

It also shocked me the first time I took the casing off a jamb. And
our house is usually exceptionally well built, as it was built as part
of the carpenter apprenticeship program and the instructor was a real
******* who made the students redo anything that was not perfect. I
know this because I talked to a couple of guys who had worked on it as
apprentices in 1978.

I will not say anything about want one of the subsequent owners did,
like removing a couple of 2X10 joists under the decks so he could
install a cheap tin overhead garage door. But he did replace each
joist with a couple of 2X4s

Luigi

"aemeijers" wrote in message
...
Robert Green wrote:
(snip)
Let's hope so. I tend to find cluelessness in one area is often a good
sign
of cluelessness in others. But I think in these cases it's more than
that.
It's not knowing that you don't know what you're doing. That's a
slightly
more dangerous sort of ignorance than garden-variety dumb.


THAT is a critical ability to have, in life in general, not just home
repair, PC repair, or whatever. There is no sin in not knowing how to do
something, and I'll go out of my way to help people like that when they
ask, or honestly tell them it is outside MY skill set. The ones who try
to BS or fake their way through it, not so much.

The problem I think is knowing when you're stumped and when proceeding
further is going to compound the problem. I often wonder: is it inborn,
the way "handiness" seems to be, or can it be taught?

Donald Rumsfeld, who *isn't* my favorite guy, did have a good understanding
of the problem of "how do we know what we don't know?" when he laid out what
we might face in the latest series of wars. He gets a lot of grief about
his "don't know" quote, but once again it's journalists looking for a
punchline, and not reporting the entire, much more complicated story
discussed he

http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com...ics-dilemma-1/

Along with the tale of a bozo bank robber: "Apparently, he was under the
deeply misguided impression that rubbing one's face with lemon juice
rendered it invisible to video cameras."

Ironically, I can think of times when my fear of the unknown backfired. I
couldn't get one of those concrete .22 cal floor guns to fire. I hit it and
hit it, changed to different hammers - was about to return it as defective
when a friend came by for a beer and saw me whaling away at it. I showed
him what I was trying to do, hit it again a few times more and was about to
pack it up when he picked up a small machinist's hammer and hit the sucker
for all it was worth and damn if that nail gun didn't BANG! and drive that
SOB nail in. "You gotta whack the hell out of it" he says, grinning. Now I
know.

I ain't proud- for stuff I don't know how to do, I'll seek out someone
who does, even when I have to pay for it. And with the passing years, my
understanding of the holes in my expertise has become more detailed.

You mean cratered, like the moon? (-: That's actually a good thing, because
oddly enough, the more you know, the more holes. The overall amount of
things you know has actually increased, although sometimes it doesn't seem
that way. There's SO much to know in the world that the best anyone can do
is stake out a little corner of it and try to know as much as they can about
it. It helps to remember that they'll always be someone smarter than you.

--
Bobby G.

On Aug 6, 10:32*pm, Robatoy wrote:
On Aug 6, 10:19*pm, FrozenNorth
wrote:



On 8/06/10 9:36 PM, Doug Miller wrote:

Why, oh why, do people with no knowledge or experience of the building trades
imagine that they are competent to do their own construction?

Been there done that. *Previous owner left behind several mason jars
full of mixed screws, seemed odd. *Then I started removing stuff that he
had built and need eight different bits to take them apart, what a pain
in the backside, can't even imagine wanting to build something that way..

Last two or three pieces of his handiwork that I have removed, recip
saw, hell with the mess, it is less frustrating.

--
Froz...

The system will be down for 10 days for preventive maintenance.

A house, 3 doors down from mine, had the entire family room wired with
those cheapo 18ga extension cords. They were held in place between the
block foundation and the 2x3 studs which were concrete nailed in
place. No insulation, no vapour barrier. The studs were then covered
with hardboard panelling, no drywall. I have built theatre sets
(flats) with more integrity.

I went to an "A card" carrying electrician's house years ago and he
had some bare receptacles nailed to the bottom of window sills
(inside) wired with lamp cord!!! WTFrenchToast

On Aug 7, 9:47*am, Rich wrote:

I saw today that Home Depot has just come out with a Peel and Stick Ceramic
and Glass Tile. Now thats something for the ages. Right

Of course, if the little woman is constantly changing her mind about
what she wants for a backsplash, peel and stick would be a great
labor saver.

Cindy Hamilton

"J. Clarke" wrote in message
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On 8/7/2010 4:12 PM, JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
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JoeSpareBedroom wrote:

I have a theory that the internet is behind the pathetic trend toward
helplessness. I wonder how many youngsters consider going to the
library for a book to help them with a project they've never
attempted. Does anyone even notice that there are shelves full of
books as you walk into Home Depot or Lowe's?


BOOKS? In a LIBRARY? How quaint.

Mine has hand puppets, games, wall art, toys, videos, and a few other
odds
and ends.

They do have a spinner rack containing historical romances ("bodice
rippers") with a sign: "Leave two, take two".

Libraries have abrogated their classical role as repositories of
information. Most should be burnt to the ground and the ashes scattered.
Not to worry, you won't be burning books!

To be even more topical, there are libraries in Berkeley that loans
tools
(power saws, pressure washers, ladders, post hole diggers, etc.). Buncha
goddamn communists, you ask me.



If that's how things are where you live, it's because of YOU.

Uh, how is what the libraries contain "because of HIM"?

In most towns the library has limited shelf space and tosses anything that
doesn't move regularly. Are you saying that he should go regularly check
out carpentry books that cover material that he has long since mastered
just so the library will keep them?


What he described is a dysfunctional library. An extreme. Libraries like
that are reflections of their patrons' indifference.

That's quite different from what you said, which is a moderate and correct
view.