I have a small (10k gal) inground swimming pool that is probably around 27
y/o. House was built around 1983 and I think it was built then. The plaster
has seen better days. I don't think the previous owners took very good care
of it. It's pitted, discolored and cracked in a few places. I was watching a
movie last night and there was a pool in it that was tiled. I thought that
might be a cheaper way of refinishing mine. It would have to be a small
mosaic tile that could stand up to the chlorine. The draw back would be all
the grout lines that have a tendency to grow algae but if I watched the
chemicals closely and diligently cleaned it I might be able to control it.

Dumb idea? I think it would look really nice. At least for awhile. Anyone
have a fully tiled pool and what are the draw backs?

Jim

"JimT" wrote in message
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I have a small (10k gal) inground swimming pool that is probably around 27
y/o. House was built around 1983 and I think it was built then. The plaster
has seen better days. I don't think the previous owners took very good care
of it. It's pitted, discolored and cracked in a few places. I was watching
a movie last night and there was a pool in it that was tiled. I thought
that might be a cheaper way of refinishing mine. It would have to be a
small mosaic tile that could stand up to the chlorine. The draw back would
be all the grout lines that have a tendency to grow algae but if I watched
the chemicals closely and diligently cleaned it I might be able to control
it.

Dumb idea? I think it would look really nice. At least for awhile. Anyone
have a fully tiled pool and what are the draw backs?

Jim

William Randolph Hurst had an indoor pool made at San Simeon by craftsman
who used lapiz lazuli 1" square tiles that were veined in gold. In that
day, many people did not swim, and it was a deep pool, very deep, so the
guests would not use it. Instead, it became the help's pool. It took
something like 20 guys working 40 hours a week three years to do it. How's
your bank book?

I had a pool replastered about three or five years ago. They came in at
0700, and at 1400 the next day, started to refill it. $3200, IIRC.

Tile has all the things you mention, grout problems, coming loose, plus, it
is very difficult to get every piece of tile to stick WITHOUT having any air
spaces behind it. That's where gunge is going to form. On a floor, it is
hard enough to get a craftsman to grout it correctly so you don't have
voids.

No matter how you to, tiles come off. I see it all the time on real estate
surveys I do. It's put on there sometimes by the best of craftsmen, yet it
comes off.

Unless you are as rich as Mr. Hearst, I'd suggest you just go plaster.
There are, however some absolutely spectacular insets you can have done in
the bottoms of pools. You can also get tricky on the sides, and make a
plain Jane job really nice.

My neighbor did a dolphin on his pool bottom, but he was the best brick and
block man I ever saw. Only guy I EVER made wrought iron for without having
an opening to measure. He never missed it by more than 1/8". He did all
the work for Marnell/Corrao Construction in Las Vegas (sp) on their houses.
(LV casino magnates, George a high profile pro stock drag racer for years)
Can't say how you'd do in the regular job market.

If you ever get a chance to go to San Simeon, GO! There's a tile inset at
the front door that came from Pompei.

If you're rich enough to do this, please contact me, as you will definitely
need a good super, and just so happens, I'm available.


Steve

visit my blog at http://cabgbypasssurgery.com watch for the book

A fool shows his annoyance at once, but a prudent man overlooks an insult.

On Thu, 1 Jul 2010 17:47:56 -0500, "JimT" wrote:

I have a small (10k gal) inground swimming pool that is probably around 27
y/o. House was built around 1983 and I think it was built then. The plaster
has seen better days. I don't think the previous owners took very good care
of it. It's pitted, discolored and cracked in a few places. I was watching a
movie last night and there was a pool in it that was tiled. I thought that
might be a cheaper way of refinishing mine. It would have to be a small
mosaic tile that could stand up to the chlorine. The draw back would be all
the grout lines that have a tendency to grow algae but if I watched the
chemicals closely and diligently cleaned it I might be able to control it.

Dumb idea? I think it would look really nice. At least for awhile. Anyone
have a fully tiled pool and what are the draw backs?

Jim


I have about the same size pool. I call it the "ole folks pool". Just
the bride and me most of the time.

The pool is 12 years old. I now have some small/dollar coin size
pock-marks in the pool plaster. Even have a rebar rust in one spot.

My first thought was to have it Pebble Tech (sp) refinished. For me
the cheapest way would be to re plaster (Steve B, Got a local name in
LV?).

Before you even begin to set tiles for a long lasting finish --
plaster will still need to be taken down, weak plaster removed and
other things. Tile would get slippery in that shallow pool.

Tile it and it won't add one red dime to resell value. Plaster it.

"Oren" wrote in message
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On Thu, 1 Jul 2010 17:47:56 -0500, "JimT" wrote:

I have a small (10k gal) inground swimming pool that is probably around 27
y/o. House was built around 1983 and I think it was built then. The
plaster
has seen better days. I don't think the previous owners took very good
care
of it. It's pitted, discolored and cracked in a few places. I was watching
a
movie last night and there was a pool in it that was tiled. I thought that
might be a cheaper way of refinishing mine. It would have to be a small
mosaic tile that could stand up to the chlorine. The draw back would be
all
the grout lines that have a tendency to grow algae but if I watched the
chemicals closely and diligently cleaned it I might be able to control it.

Dumb idea? I think it would look really nice. At least for awhile. Anyone
have a fully tiled pool and what are the draw backs?

Jim


I have about the same size pool. I call it the "ole folks pool". Just
the bride and me most of the time.

The pool is 12 years old. I now have some small/dollar coin size
pock-marks in the pool plaster. Even have a rebar rust in one spot.

My first thought was to have it Pebble Tech (sp) refinished. For me
the cheapest way would be to re plaster (Steve B, Got a local name in
LV?).

Before you even begin to set tiles for a long lasting finish --
plaster will still need to be taken down, weak plaster removed and
other things. Tile would get slippery in that shallow pool.

Tile it and it won't add one red dime to resell value. Plaster it.

DNC, or something like that. They were in and out, and didn't leave a mess.
The job is holding up pretty good, too.

Steve

visit my blog at http://cabgbypasssurgery.com watch for the book

A fool shows his annoyance at once, but a prudent man overlooks an insult.

Why not a vinyl lining?

On 01/07/10 3:47 PM, JimT wrote:
I have a small (10k gal) inground swimming pool that is probably around 27
y/o. House was built around 1983 and I think it was built then. The plaster
has seen better days. I don't think the previous owners took very good care
of it. It's pitted, discolored and cracked in a few places. I was watching a
movie last night and there was a pool in it that was tiled. I thought that
might be a cheaper way of refinishing mine. It would have to be a small
mosaic tile that could stand up to the chlorine. The draw back would be all
the grout lines that have a tendency to grow algae but if I watched the
chemicals closely and diligently cleaned it I might be able to control it.

Dumb idea? I think it would look really nice. At least for awhile. Anyone
have a fully tiled pool and what are the draw backs?

Very rare to have fully tiled pools any more, and very expensive and
difficult to maintain. Pebbletec or similar surface looks very good and
is less prone to algae and calcium problems, but is pretty costly. I had
my pool done in Pebbletec about six years ago, I think the pool had
never been replastered prior to that, about 20 years since it was built,
and it was badly pocked and difficult to keep balanced.

Here's my photos of the project: "http://nordicgroup.us/pool/"

Remember, after you plaster or tile or Pebbletec, and are filling the
pool, always fill the deep end first.

"SMS" wrote in message
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On 01/07/10 3:47 PM, JimT wrote:
I have a small (10k gal) inground swimming pool that is probably around
27
y/o. House was built around 1983 and I think it was built then. The
plaster
has seen better days. I don't think the previous owners took very good
care
of it. It's pitted, discolored and cracked in a few places. I was
watching a
movie last night and there was a pool in it that was tiled. I thought
that
might be a cheaper way of refinishing mine. It would have to be a small
mosaic tile that could stand up to the chlorine. The draw back would be
all
the grout lines that have a tendency to grow algae but if I watched the
chemicals closely and diligently cleaned it I might be able to control
it.

Dumb idea? I think it would look really nice. At least for awhile. Anyone
have a fully tiled pool and what are the draw backs?

Very rare to have fully tiled pools any more, and very expensive and
difficult to maintain. Pebbletec or similar surface looks very good and is
less prone to algae and calcium problems, but is pretty costly. I had my
pool done in Pebbletec about six years ago, I think the pool had never
been replastered prior to that, about 20 years since it was built, and it
was badly pocked and difficult to keep balanced.

Here's my photos of the project: "http://nordicgroup.us/pool/"

Remember, after you plaster or tile or Pebbletec, and are filling the
pool, always fill the deep end first.


My idea is starting to sound pretty dumb to me.

My pool isn't hard to maintain now. It's only about 5' deep at the deepest
point and a mere 10k gal pool. Yours is much larger. The chlorine and pH are
easy to maintain. The dreaded black algae grows in the little pockets and
cracks and it's real tough to get out. The mosaic around the edge is in
need of replacement tiles that can't be found; of course. I also need a deck
overhaul but I'll have to do that. Pebbletec look great but I'm sure it's
more than I want to spend.

"Steve B" wrote in message
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"JimT" wrote in message
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I have a small (10k gal) inground swimming pool that is probably around 27
y/o. House was built around 1983 and I think it was built then. The
plaster has seen better days. I don't think the previous owners took very
good care of it. It's pitted, discolored and cracked in a few places. I
was watching a movie last night and there was a pool in it that was tiled.
I thought that might be a cheaper way of refinishing mine. It would have
to be a small mosaic tile that could stand up to the chlorine. The draw
back would be all the grout lines that have a tendency to grow algae but
if I watched the chemicals closely and diligently cleaned it I might be
able to control it.

Dumb idea? I think it would look really nice. At least for awhile. Anyone
have a fully tiled pool and what are the draw backs?

Jim

William Randolph Hurst had an indoor pool made at San Simeon by craftsman
who used lapiz lazuli 1" square tiles that were veined in gold. In that
day, many people did not swim, and it was a deep pool, very deep, so the
guests would not use it. Instead, it became the help's pool. It took
something like 20 guys working 40 hours a week three years to do it.
How's your bank book?

I had a pool replastered about three or five years ago. They came in at
0700, and at 1400 the next day, started to refill it. $3200, IIRC.

Tile has all the things you mention, grout problems, coming loose, plus,
it is very difficult to get every piece of tile to stick WITHOUT having
any air spaces behind it. That's where gunge is going to form. On a
floor, it is hard enough to get a craftsman to grout it correctly so you
don't have voids.

No matter how you to, tiles come off. I see it all the time on real
estate surveys I do. It's put on there sometimes by the best of
craftsmen, yet it comes off.

Unless you are as rich as Mr. Hearst, I'd suggest you just go plaster.
There are, however some absolutely spectacular insets you can have done in
the bottoms of pools. You can also get tricky on the sides, and make a
plain Jane job really nice.

My neighbor did a dolphin on his pool bottom, but he was the best brick
and block man I ever saw. Only guy I EVER made wrought iron for without
having an opening to measure. He never missed it by more than 1/8". He
did all the work for Marnell/Corrao Construction in Las Vegas (sp) on
their houses. (LV casino magnates, George a high profile pro stock drag
racer for years) Can't say how you'd do in the regular job market.

If you ever get a chance to go to San Simeon, GO! There's a tile inset at
the front door that came from Pompei.

If you're rich enough to do this, please contact me, as you will
definitely need a good super, and just so happens, I'm available.


Steve

Thanks for your input and no I'm not in the market for a Super.

$3200! You got a great deal or you have a very small pool. g. I heard it
cost more like $32,000 to get a pool redone. I could be wrong because I
haven't really researched it yet. Sounds like I should.

I thought there would be draw backs to tile because you don't see very many
tile pools. As I thought, it's beginning to sound like a bad idea.

"The Henchman" wrote in message
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Why not a vinyl lining?

They do that up north a lot. Out here we don't have to because the ground
doesn't freeze solid. I doubt I'd like a vinyl lining but it's something to
consider.

One of my relatives suggest painting it but I don't know if they make a
paint that can hold up to years of chlorine abuse. And when I had to really
scrub it down I don't think paint would hold-up.

"JimT" wrote in message
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"The Henchman" wrote in message
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Why not a vinyl lining?

They do that up north a lot. Out here we don't have to because the ground
doesn't freeze solid. I doubt I'd like a vinyl lining but it's something
to consider.

One of my relatives suggest painting it but I don't know if they make a
paint that can hold up to years of chlorine abuse. And when I had to
really scrub it down I don't think paint would hold-up.

I'm in Canada and my vinyl lining is 25 years old. Inground 16' x 32'
pool, 9 feet deep at one end, 3 1/2' deep at shallow end. The vinyl is in
great shape. Easy to scrub and vacuum and clean, algae is easy to come off
it too after those periods of neglect we all go thru.

I always wonder why we used vinyl and in the American south they don't. Now
I know.

"The Henchman" wrote:



"JimT" wrote in message
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"The Henchman" wrote in message
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Why not a vinyl lining?

They do that up north a lot. Out here we don't have to because the ground
doesn't freeze solid. I doubt I'd like a vinyl lining but it's something
to consider.

-snip-

I always wonder why we used vinyl and in the American south they don't. Now
I know.


I suspect the UV load is also a consideration. We [northerners]
need more flexibility, in the south they need more UV resistance.

Jim

On 02/07/10 2:32 AM, The Henchman wrote:


"JimT" wrote in message
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"The Henchman" wrote in message
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Why not a vinyl lining?

They do that up north a lot. Out here we don't have to because the
ground doesn't freeze solid. I doubt I'd like a vinyl lining but it's
something to consider.

One of my relatives suggest painting it but I don't know if they make
a paint that can hold up to years of chlorine abuse. And when I had to
really scrub it down I don't think paint would hold-up.

I'm in Canada and my vinyl lining is 25 years old. Inground 16' x 32'
pool, 9 feet deep at one end, 3 1/2' deep at shallow end. The vinyl is
in great shape. Easy to scrub and vacuum and clean, algae is easy to
come off it too after those periods of neglect we all go thru.

I always wonder why we used vinyl and in the American south they don't.
Now I know.

Vinyl is unheard of in California as well.

On 01/07/10 10:44 PM, JimT wrote:

"The Henchman" wrote in message
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Why not a vinyl lining?

They do that up north a lot. Out here we don't have to because the
ground doesn't freeze solid. I doubt I'd like a vinyl lining but it's
something to consider.

One of my relatives suggest painting it but I don't know if they make a
paint that can hold up to years of chlorine abuse. And when I had to
really scrub it down I don't think paint would hold-up.

There is paint designed for pools. As long as the surface isn't terrible
pitted. You first need to acid wash the pool, then paint it.

"http://www.poolcenter.com/painted_pools.htm"