On Jul 1, 6:40*am, " wrote:
On Jun 30, 10:00*pm, aemeijers wrote:



wrote:
On Jun 29, 10:52 pm, Bryan Scholtes wrote:
OP postrer needs interior french drain before ANY FUTHER WORK
with a sump draining to a pump or ideally daylight
What do you think about just a sump pump? I suppose the water table
may be the problem, as I've never had any water in the basement, ever,
until now.

What would a french accomplish that a sump pump by itself wouldn't?
I'm being sincere, I really don't know.

interior french drain collects water from all over basement area,
directed by underground lines to a sump and pump or better a daylight
drain its far superior to just a sump and pump which will only collect
water from its immediate area.

before finishing basement you really must fix the moisture issue.
otherwise mold bad odors etc will ruin your new room.let alone the
possiblity of a flood someday

as to fix grade redirect downspout drains etc.

i spent over 8 grand doing that with new sidewalks steps etc and 6
months later still had a wet basement....

the interior french drain with sump cost $3500 bucks and i didnt have
to do any work, i was the laborer for the 8 grand job without my bck
breaking effort it would of been 12 grand took most of summer

sure fix obvious issues, but before finishing a basemet install proper
drainage.

otherwise one storm can ruin all that work...........

and its far easier to install french drains with a nice open basement
with no finished walls etc.

you CANT seal out water all you can do is direct it somewhere else!!

I still say retro-fit interior french drains are always a last-resort
solution. They break the slab-to-footer connection. If water table is
high enough, sub-floor drains should go in before slab is poured. I've
personally seen one extreme installation, where a rich doctor simply HAD
to have a basement even though local water table was high, and every
other house in the sub was on a crawl or slab. Whole network of sub-slab
perforated tile leading into 2 sump pits, and a doomsday overflow line
leading into a precast manhole-size sump in front yard, so silly doctor
could go rent a commercial pump and drop it in the hole in an extended
power outage, and pump it out into street. Not sure where they thought
it would go, other than into the neighbor's yards- whole sub was rather
flat.

And yes, you CAN seal out water, with proper prep work as foundation is
being built, as slab is poured, and wall sealer and proper footer drains
installed before backfill is put in. They do it in swimming pools all
the time. All a basement is, is a swimming pool with the water on the
outside. That doesn't mean you don't need to grade the yard properly and
have good gutters, of course, since nothing is perfect or lasts forever..

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around here code requires french drain with every new home built. and
exterior french drain too.

Did you even read what AEM wrote?

far too many wet basement complaints........

and would you really want to remodel a basement into a nice room/s
then have water issues a year or two after spending all that money?

the time to fix this is before remodel......

Retrofitting exterior drains and interior would make such a remodel
prohibitively expensive and still not guarantee that there wouldn't be
problems. As AEM suggested, breaking the slab/footing connection
isn't a good thing to do. If you're going to insist on going this
far, sell the house and buy one that works for you.

keith wrote:

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Retrofitting exterior drains and interior would make such a remodel
prohibitively expensive and still not guarantee that there wouldn't be
problems. As AEM suggested, breaking the slab/footing connection
isn't a good thing to do. If you're going to insist on going this
far, sell the house and buy one that works for you.

Except this is alt.home.repair - not alt.buy-a-new-house.

Exterior drain could be as cheap as a couple shovels, a pick, a
wheelbarrow & 100gallons of sweat. [and probably a couple bottles of
naprosyn for the first week or two.]

The cost of a used elephant foot is advisable.

I rented a backhoe when I did the first half of mine. The next
section will likely be all handwork. It is only 25 feet long and
equipment will make more of a mess than it will save labor.

The point that everyone who has 'been there, done that' is making is;
don't waste your money on finishing the basement until it is ready to
be finished-- which means getting rid of the water under the slab. If
that means moving or abandoning the idea of making that space
livable-- then that is what you need to do.

Jim

On Jul 1, 8:46*am, keith wrote:
On Jul 1, 6:40*am, " wrote:





On Jun 30, 10:00*pm, aemeijers wrote:

wrote:
On Jun 29, 10:52 pm, Bryan Scholtes wrote:
OP postrer needs interior french drain before ANY FUTHER WORK
with a sump draining to a pump or ideally daylight
What do you think about just a sump pump? I suppose the water table
may be the problem, as I've never had any water in the basement, ever,
until now.

What would a french accomplish that a sump pump by itself wouldn't?
I'm being sincere, I really don't know.

interior french drain collects water from all over basement area,
directed by underground lines to a sump and pump or better a daylight
drain its far superior to just a sump and pump which will only collect
water from its immediate area.

before finishing basement you really must fix the moisture issue.
otherwise mold bad odors etc will ruin your new room.let alone the
possiblity of a flood someday

as to fix grade redirect downspout drains etc.

i spent over 8 grand doing that with new sidewalks steps etc and 6
months later still had a wet basement....

the interior french drain with sump cost $3500 bucks and i didnt have
to do any work, i was the laborer for the 8 grand job without my bck
breaking effort it would of been 12 grand took most of summer

sure fix obvious issues, but before finishing a basemet install proper
drainage.

otherwise one storm can ruin all that work...........

and its far easier to install french drains with a nice open basement
with no finished walls etc.

you CANT seal out water all you can do is direct it somewhere else!!

I still say retro-fit interior french drains are always a last-resort
solution. They break the slab-to-footer connection. If water table is
high enough, sub-floor drains should go in before slab is poured. I've
personally seen one extreme installation, where a rich doctor simply HAD
to have a basement even though local water table was high, and every
other house in the sub was on a crawl or slab. Whole network of sub-slab
perforated tile leading into 2 sump pits, and a doomsday overflow line
leading into a precast manhole-size sump in front yard, so silly doctor
could go rent a commercial pump and drop it in the hole in an extended
power outage, and pump it out into street. Not sure where they thought
it would go, other than into the neighbor's yards- whole sub was rather
flat.

And yes, you CAN seal out water, with proper prep work as foundation is
being built, as slab is poured, and wall sealer and proper footer drains
installed before backfill is put in. They do it in swimming pools all
the time. All a basement is, is a swimming pool with the water on the
outside. That doesn't mean you don't need to grade the yard properly and
have good gutters, of course, since nothing is perfect or lasts forever.

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aem sends...- Hide quoted text -

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around here code requires french drain with every new home built. and
exterior french drain too.

Did you even read what AEM wrote?

far too many wet basement complaints........

and would you really want to remodel a basement into a nice room/s
then have water issues a year or two after spending all that money?

the time to fix this is before remodel......

Retrofitting exterior drains and interior would make such a remodel
prohibitively expensive and still not guarantee that there wouldn't be
problems. *As AEM suggested, breaking the slab/footing connection
isn't a good thing to do. * If you're going to insist on going this
far, sell the house and buy one that works for you.- Hide quoted text -

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Indoor retrofits typically come with lifetime warrantiesand elminate
the need for outdoor french drains..... they tend to clog over time
anyway. I found some in a gravel bed packed with dirt.

so whats the big deal of breaking the slab footing connection? its
replaced with concrete and around here is only a inch or two thick so
its not providing much structurally anyway.

It cost me $3500.00 bucks to do a interior french drain, I first spent
over 8 grand plus me free labor doing the outdoor drain that
ultimately didnt stop the water

Lessons learned the hard way, yard looked great, and asseors noticed
that too

The reason why thos who have been there done that have such strong
opinions?

We learned the hard way