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Power company came out today and replaced the old mechanical meter with the
new fancy-schmancy one. Chatting up the meter-man, I learned: 1. The old meters are going to be junked. Not sold to Mexico or Lithuania like the 'phone company did with their mechanical central office stuff. We're talking, oh, one million meters in a city of 5.5 million. That's a pretty big pile. 2. His quota is 60-100 meters swapped out per day. 3. One purpose is to allow the meter to be read from the street. 4. It is alleged I can check my meter on the 'net. We'll see. |
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HeyBub wrote:
Power company came out today and replaced the old mechanical meter with the new fancy-schmancy one. Chatting up the meter-man, I learned: 1. The old meters are going to be junked. Not sold to Mexico or Lithuania like the 'phone company did with their mechanical central office stuff. We're talking, oh, one million meters in a city of 5.5 million. That's a pretty big pile. 2. His quota is 60-100 meters swapped out per day. 3. One purpose is to allow the meter to be read from the street. 4. It is alleged I can check my meter on the 'net. We'll see. Hi, Now it is happening where you live? Here power, gas, water meter is all read remotely. I heard they can even do it using the bird in the future. The option is already there and a mtter of activating it. |
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HeyBub wrote:
Power company came out today and replaced the old mechanical meter with the new fancy-schmancy one. Chatting up the meter-man, I learned: 1. The old meters are going to be junked. Not sold to Mexico or Lithuania like the 'phone company did with their mechanical central office stuff. We're talking, oh, one million meters in a city of 5.5 million. That's a pretty big pile. 2. His quota is 60-100 meters swapped out per day. 3. One purpose is to allow the meter to be read from the street. 4. It is alleged I can check my meter on the 'net. We'll see. They are coming here by 2012. They will communicate with the power company using wireless technology (no more meter readers). They will report power outages and the restoration of power automatically. The will constantly report usage so that the power company can adjust the generation to just meet the needs and conserve resources (i.e. water behind dams - hydro electric) Smart appliances will communicate with the meter and if there is no hurry start automatically when the rate drops (rates are/will be tiered so that it will be cheaper at curtain times of the day). They even say we will be able to control light switches remotely from their web-page (I assume that will mean replacing switches to a wireless type)? Soon your appliances and switches will be reporting to the mother ship... http://preview.tinyurl.com/232gjbv |
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(rates are/will be tiered so that it will be cheaper at curtain times of the day). Yeah, that was the pitch given by the politicians, it sounded pie in the sky, and in this area has proven to be so. Yes, rates are tiered, and some times they are cheaper than other times, but never cheaper than they were under the old flat rate. Possibly the midnight to 6:00 am may get close to the old all day rate, but watch out for the supper hour rate, you may be tempted to shut all power off at that time. |
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On Jun 20, 11:13*pm, "EXT" wrote:
(rates are/will be tiered so that it will be cheaper at curtain times of the day). Yeah, that was the pitch given by the politicians, it sounded pie in the sky, and in this area has proven to be so. Yes, rates are tiered, and some times they are cheaper than other times, but never cheaper than they were under the old flat rate. Possibly the midnight to 6:00 am may get close to the old all day rate, but watch out for the supper hour rate, you may be tempted to shut all power off at that time. We had the world's first nuclear power. At that time, politicians told us that in a few years electricity would be free & therefore no meter would be needed. Hah! All our meters were indoors up 'til the 1970's. Now they are mostly in a cabinet outside. The electricity/gas company encourages people to read their own meters & report in by internet or telephone. You put your reading in using the phone keypad. Smart meters are now being installed..... Unclear excactly how smart they will be. |
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On 6/18/2010 18:05, HeyBub wrote:
Power company came out today and replaced the old mechanical meter with the new fancy-schmancy one. Chatting up the meter-man, I learned: 1. The old meters are going to be junked. Not sold to Mexico or Lithuania like the 'phone company did with their mechanical central office stuff. We're talking, oh, one million meters in a city of 5.5 million. That's a pretty big pile. There's not much of a market for such labor-intensive stuff. 2. His quota is 60-100 meters swapped out per day. Yup. Just break the seal, take the old meter reading, pop out the old meter, pop the new one in, seal it, and scan the bar code. Service is interrupted just long enough to cause refrigerators to overload. 3. One purpose is to allow the meter to be read from the street. Or by radio or carrier-current. That's the primary motivator for changing them. Service can also be controlled remotely -- they can easily cut you off for non-payment. 4. It is alleged I can check my meter on the 'net. We'll see. True, depending on the utility. It also allows for time-of-day pricing. See http://www.pge.com/smartmeter for the spin from a utility that has been the source of considerable public criticism over smart meter implementation. |
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On Jun 18, 10:03*pm, Bob wrote:
On 6/18/2010 18:05, HeyBub wrote: Power company came out today and replaced the old mechanical meter with the new fancy-schmancy one. Chatting up the meter-man, I learned: 1. The old meters are going to be junked. Not sold to Mexico or Lithuania like the 'phone company did with their mechanical central office stuff. We're talking, oh, one million meters in a city of 5.5 million. That's a pretty big pile. There's not much of a market for such labor-intensive stuff. 2. His quota is 60-100 meters swapped out per day. Yup. *Just break the seal, take the old meter reading, pop out the old meter, pop the new one in, seal it, and scan the bar code. *Service is interrupted just long enough to cause refrigerators to overload. 3. One purpose is to allow the meter to be read from the street. Or by radio or carrier-current. *That's the primary motivator for changing them. *Service can also be controlled remotely -- they can easily cut you off for non-payment. 4. It is alleged I can check my meter on the 'net. We'll see. True, depending on the utility. *It also allows for time-of-day pricing.. * See http://www.pge.com/smartmeter for the spin from a utility that has been the source of considerable public criticism over smart meter implementation. Please provide the name of the manufacturer and the model number for a meter that can actually open the service conductors. -- Tom Horne |
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On Jun 18, 10:11 pm, Tom Horne wrote:
Please provide the name of the manufacturer and the model number for a meter that can actually open the service conductors. -- Tom Horne Andy comments: Solid state relay devices at these power levels have been available for two decades. It is a non-prolem. C A Sharpe, licensed PE |
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On Jun 19, 5:26*am, Andy wrote:
On Jun 18, 10:11 pm, Tom Horne wrote: Please provide the name of the manufacturer and the model number for a meter that can actually open the service conductors. -- Tom Horne Andy comments: * *Solid state relay devices at these power levels have been available for two decades. *It is a non-prolem. * * * * * * C A Sharpe, licensed PE Hope you all enjoy those fancy new meters. They are brought to you courtesy of the fed govt and $3Bil more of our deficit. And like most new spending, it was justified with a pack of lies. An example being, that this was needed and is critical for solar and wind power being delivered to your home. Funny I see all these new solar installs popping up here without smart meters. |
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So, the Fed removes money from me by force. Spends it on things I
don't want, and expects me to vote Democrat next time, so we can do this even more? -- Christopher A. Young Learn more about Jesus www.lds.org .. wrote in message ... Hope you all enjoy those fancy new meters. They are brought to you courtesy of the fed govt and $3Bil more of our deficit. And like most new spending, it was justified with a pack of lies. An example being, that this was needed and is critical for solar and wind power being delivered to your home. Funny I see all these new solar installs popping up here without smart meters. |
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On 6/18/2010 10:03 PM, Bob wrote:
On 6/18/2010 18:05, HeyBub wrote: Power company came out today and replaced the old mechanical meter with the new fancy-schmancy one. Chatting up the meter-man, I learned: 1. The old meters are going to be junked. Not sold to Mexico or Lithuania like the 'phone company did with their mechanical central office stuff. We're talking, oh, one million meters in a city of 5.5 million. That's a pretty big pile. There's not much of a market for such labor-intensive stuff. 2. His quota is 60-100 meters swapped out per day. Yup. Just break the seal, take the old meter reading, pop out the old meter, pop the new one in, seal it, and scan the bar code. Service is interrupted just long enough to cause refrigerators to overload. Our electric utility is a little better than that. They require meter bases to have manual bypass. They changed all of the meters out here maybe 4 years ago. I pulled in just as the guy was walking down the front steps. He clipped the seal, opened the cover and connected jumpers to the bypass tabs and was then able to swap the meter without service interruption. 3. One purpose is to allow the meter to be read from the street. Or by radio or carrier-current. That's the primary motivator for changing them. Service can also be controlled remotely -- they can easily cut you off for non-payment. They do it by carrier current here. 4. It is alleged I can check my meter on the 'net. We'll see. True, depending on the utility. It also allows for time-of-day pricing. See http://www.pge.com/smartmeter for the spin from a utility that has been the source of considerable public criticism over smart meter implementation. |
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On 6/18/2010 9:03 PM, Bob wrote:
On 6/18/2010 18:05, HeyBub wrote: Power company came out today and replaced the old mechanical meter with the new fancy-schmancy one. Chatting up the meter-man, I learned: 1. The old meters are going to be junked. Not sold to Mexico or Lithuania like the 'phone company did with their mechanical central office stuff. We're talking, oh, one million meters in a city of 5.5 million. That's a pretty big pile. There's not much of a market for such labor-intensive stuff. 2. His quota is 60-100 meters swapped out per day. Yup. Just break the seal, take the old meter reading, pop out the old meter, pop the new one in, seal it, and scan the bar code. Service is interrupted just long enough to cause refrigerators to overload. 3. One purpose is to allow the meter to be read from the street. Or by radio or carrier-current. That's the primary motivator for changing them. Service can also be controlled remotely -- they can easily cut you off for non-payment. UH, not. 4. It is alleged I can check my meter on the 'net. We'll see. True, depending on the utility. It also allows for time-of-day pricing. See http://www.pge.com/smartmeter for the spin from a utility that has been the source of considerable public criticism over smart meter implementation. -- Steve Barker remove the "not" from my address to email |
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"Bob" wrote in message
... On 6/18/2010 18:05, HeyBub wrote: Power company came out today and replaced the old mechanical meter with the new fancy-schmancy one. Chatting up the meter-man, I learned: 1. The old meters are going to be junked. Not sold to Mexico or Lithuania like the 'phone company did with their mechanical central office stuff. We're talking, oh, one million meters in a city of 5.5 million. That's a pretty big pile. There's not much of a market for such labor-intensive stuff. 2. His quota is 60-100 meters swapped out per day. Yup. Just break the seal, take the old meter reading, pop out the old meter, pop the new one in, seal it, and scan the bar code. Service is interrupted just long enough to cause refrigerators to overload. And all the TV's and devices to reset, and some cable channels off for a half hour or so while the cable box reset. Mine was done on Tuesday, and the power was only off about 20 seconds max. What was more irritating to me, is that my meter is on the back wall outside, and he slammed the wall several times during installation, causing 3 of my music boxes to come off the shelves inside. One broke, but I was able to glue it back together. Ah, progress. Cheri |
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On Jun 19, 12:03*am, Bob wrote:
On 6/18/2010 18:05, HeyBub wrote: Power company came out today and replaced the old mechanical meter with the new fancy-schmancy one. Chatting up the meter-man, I learned: 1. The old meters are going to be junked. Not sold to Mexico or Lithuania like the 'phone company did with their mechanical central office stuff. We're talking, oh, one million meters in a city of 5.5 million. That's a pretty big pile. There's not much of a market for such labor-intensive stuff. 2. His quota is 60-100 meters swapped out per day. Yup. *Just break the seal, take the old meter reading, pop out the old meter, pop the new one in, seal it, and scan the bar code. *Service is interrupted just long enough to cause refrigerators to overload. 3. One purpose is to allow the meter to be read from the street. Or by radio or carrier-current. *That's the primary motivator for changing them. *Service can also be controlled remotely -- they can easily cut you off for non-payment. 4. It is alleged I can check my meter on the 'net. We'll see. True, depending on the utility. *It also allows for time-of-day pricing.. * See http://www.pge.com/smartmeter for the spin from a utility that has been the source of considerable public criticism over smart meter implementation. Cheaper, late night pricing could be nice! Couple of minor points; our meter reader says he's supposed, at the moment to be able to sit in his car out in thstreet and read meter remotely. Doesn't always work and he has to walk to nearer the meter! Secondly; sending the info via the electric power lines is being banned in some countries because it can cause serious interference to radio communications. The effect will vary from area to area depending on the amount of radio broadcasting, off the air TV etc. But some years ago a Civil Defense exercise in Austria had to be cancelled because 'Power Line carrier/digital' signals disrupted the radio signals to ambulances! For meters the alternatives may be the inter- net or your phone line (if you still have one!). |
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On 6/18/2010 8:05 PM, HeyBub wrote:
Power company came out today and replaced the old mechanical meter with the new fancy-schmancy one. Chatting up the meter-man, I learned: 1. The old meters are going to be junked. Not sold to Mexico or Lithuania like the 'phone company did with their mechanical central office stuff. We're talking, oh, one million meters in a city of 5.5 million. That's a pretty big pile. 2. His quota is 60-100 meters swapped out per day. 3. One purpose is to allow the meter to be read from the street. 4. It is alleged I can check my meter on the 'net. We'll see. I view Smart Meters with the same suspicion that I have for OnStar. Perhaps I'm just paranoid? Aluminum foil hats don't work, it's already been tried. http://people.csail.mit.edu/rahimi/helmet/ TDD |
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On Jun 19, 12:57*am, The Daring Dufas the-daring-
wrote: On 6/18/2010 8:05 PM, HeyBub wrote: Power company came out today and replaced the old mechanical meter with the new fancy-schmancy one. Chatting up the meter-man, I learned: 1. The old meters are going to be junked. Not sold to Mexico or Lithuania like the 'phone company did with their mechanical central office stuff. We're talking, oh, one million meters in a city of 5.5 million. That's a pretty big pile. 2. His quota is 60-100 meters swapped out per day. 3. One purpose is to allow the meter to be read from the street. 4. It is alleged I can check my meter on the 'net. We'll see. I view Smart Meters with the same suspicion that I have for OnStar. Perhaps I'm just paranoid? Aluminum foil hats don't work, it's already been tried. http://people.csail.mit.edu/rahimi/helmet/ TDD YES BUT HAVE YOU TRIED GROUNDING YOUR TIN HAT USE A 14awg STRANDED CONDUCTOR WHEN YOU USE IT [:-)] I AM PROTEUS |
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On 6/19/2010 12:58 AM, Proteus IIV wrote:
On Jun 19, 12:57 am, The Daring Dufasthe-daring- wrote: On 6/18/2010 8:05 PM, HeyBub wrote: Power company came out today and replaced the old mechanical meter with the new fancy-schmancy one. Chatting up the meter-man, I learned: 1. The old meters are going to be junked. Not sold to Mexico or Lithuania like the 'phone company did with their mechanical central office stuff. We're talking, oh, one million meters in a city of 5.5 million. That's a pretty big pile. 2. His quota is 60-100 meters swapped out per day. 3. One purpose is to allow the meter to be read from the street. 4. It is alleged I can check my meter on the 'net. We'll see. I view Smart Meters with the same suspicion that I have for OnStar. Perhaps I'm just paranoid? Aluminum foil hats don't work, it's already been tried. http://people.csail.mit.edu/rahimi/helmet/ TDD YES BUT HAVE YOU TRIED GROUNDING YOUR TIN HAT USE A 14awg STRANDED CONDUCTOR WHEN YOU USE IT [:-)] I AM PROTEUS RAM hats work much better and can be quite stylish too! My favorites are EM shield undergarments. http://www.lessemf.com/personal.html TDD |
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On Jun 19, 7:44*am, The Daring Dufas
wrote: On 6/19/2010 12:58 AM, Proteus IIV wrote: On Jun 19, 12:57 am, The Daring Dufasthe-daring- *wrote: On 6/18/2010 8:05 PM, HeyBub wrote: Power company came out today and replaced the old mechanical meter with the new fancy-schmancy one. Chatting up the meter-man, I learned: 1. The old meters are going to be junked. Not sold to Mexico or Lithuania like the 'phone company did with their mechanical central office stuff. We're talking, oh, one million meters in a city of 5.5 million. That's a pretty big pile. 2. His quota is 60-100 meters swapped out per day. 3. One purpose is to allow the meter to be read from the street. 4. It is alleged I can check my meter on the 'net. We'll see. I view Smart Meters with the same suspicion that I have for OnStar. Perhaps I'm just paranoid? Aluminum foil hats don't work, it's already been tried. http://people.csail.mit.edu/rahimi/helmet/ TDD YES BUT HAVE YOU TRIED GROUNDING YOUR TIN HAT USE A 14awg STRANDED CONDUCTOR WHEN YOU USE IT [:-)] I AM PROTEUS RAM hats work much better and can be quite stylish too! My favorites are EM shield undergarments. http://www.lessemf.com/personal.html TDD THAT'S NICE I SEE YOU HAVE THE RIGHT EQUIPMENT BUT YOU MSSED THE WHOLE POINT I AM PROTEUS |
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On 7/13/2010 1:40 PM, Proteus IIV wrote:
On Jun 19, 7:44 am, The Daring wrote: On 6/19/2010 12:58 AM, Proteus IIV wrote: On Jun 19, 12:57 am, The Daring Dufasthe-daring- wrote: On 6/18/2010 8:05 PM, HeyBub wrote: Power company came out today and replaced the old mechanical meter with the new fancy-schmancy one. Chatting up the meter-man, I learned: 1. The old meters are going to be junked. Not sold to Mexico or Lithuania like the 'phone company did with their mechanical central office stuff. We're talking, oh, one million meters in a city of 5.5 million. That's a pretty big pile. 2. His quota is 60-100 meters swapped out per day. 3. One purpose is to allow the meter to be read from the street. 4. It is alleged I can check my meter on the 'net. We'll see. I view Smart Meters with the same suspicion that I have for OnStar. Perhaps I'm just paranoid? Aluminum foil hats don't work, it's already been tried. http://people.csail.mit.edu/rahimi/helmet/ TDD YES BUT HAVE YOU TRIED GROUNDING YOUR TIN HAT USE A 14awg STRANDED CONDUCTOR WHEN YOU USE IT [:-)] I AM PROTEUS RAM hats work much better and can be quite stylish too! My favorites are EM shield undergarments. http://www.lessemf.com/personal.html TDD THAT'S NICE I SEE YOU HAVE THE RIGHT EQUIPMENT BUT YOU MSSED THE WHOLE POINT I AM PROTOZOA Ah! A Protozoa, I've never carried on a conversation with an acellular creature before. 8-) TDD |
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If Onstar can stop your car, unlock your doors, and provide GPS, the
smart meter can most likely stop your power, unlock your house, and provide GPS. -- Christopher A. Young Learn more about Jesus www.lds.org .. "The Daring Dufas" wrote in message ... I view Smart Meters with the same suspicion that I have for OnStar. Perhaps I'm just paranoid? Aluminum foil hats don't work, it's already been tried. http://people.csail.mit.edu/rahimi/helmet/ TDD |
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On Fri, 18 Jun 2010 23:57:36 -0500, The Daring Dufas
wrote: On 6/18/2010 8:05 PM, HeyBub wrote: Power company came out today and replaced the old mechanical meter with the new fancy-schmancy one. Chatting up the meter-man, I learned: 1. The old meters are going to be junked. Not sold to Mexico or Lithuania like the 'phone company did with their mechanical central office stuff. We're talking, oh, one million meters in a city of 5.5 million. That's a pretty big pile. 2. His quota is 60-100 meters swapped out per day. 3. One purpose is to allow the meter to be read from the street. 4. It is alleged I can check my meter on the 'net. We'll see. You can just walk outside and check your meter. I view Smart Meters with the same suspicion that I have for OnStar. Perhaps I'm just paranoid? Aluminum foil hats don't work, it's already been tried. Remember when the drunk guy hit a tree with his car; then he went to another bar to relax, and On-star called the police. http://people.csail.mit.edu/rahimi/helmet/ TDD |
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mm wrote:
On Fri, 18 Jun 2010 23:57:36 -0500, The Daring Dufas wrote: -snip- 4. It is alleged I can check my meter on the 'net. We'll see. You can just walk outside and check your meter. Not if he's a half continent away on business or vacation. Jim |
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On 6/19/2010 8:50 AM, mm wrote:
On Fri, 18 Jun 2010 23:57:36 -0500, The Daring Dufas wrote: On 6/18/2010 8:05 PM, HeyBub wrote: Power company came out today and replaced the old mechanical meter with the new fancy-schmancy one. Chatting up the meter-man, I learned: 1. The old meters are going to be junked. Not sold to Mexico or Lithuania like the 'phone company did with their mechanical central office stuff. We're talking, oh, one million meters in a city of 5.5 million. That's a pretty big pile. 2. His quota is 60-100 meters swapped out per day. 3. One purpose is to allow the meter to be read from the street. 4. It is alleged I can check my meter on the 'net. We'll see. You can just walk outside and check your meter. I view Smart Meters with the same suspicion that I have for OnStar. Perhaps I'm just paranoid? Aluminum foil hats don't work, it's already been tried. Remember when the drunk guy hit a tree with his car; then he went to another bar to relax, and On-star called the police. http://people.csail.mit.edu/rahimi/helmet/ TDD Imagine some government busybody decides you're using too much electricity and gets a warrant to search your home for anything incriminating. It already goes on. You fail to pay a parking ticket and the city contacts the power company to switch off your power. The perils of too much control made too easy is a slippery slope. There are those in government who want to make all money electronic. Imagine, "Do what we say or we will turn off your money." Technology can be either incredibly wonderful or devastatingly evil. TDD |
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The Daring Dufas posted for all of us...
On 6/19/2010 8:50 AM, mm wrote: On Fri, 18 Jun 2010 23:57:36 -0500, The Daring Dufas wrote: On 6/18/2010 8:05 PM, HeyBub wrote: Power company came out today and replaced the old mechanical meter with the new fancy-schmancy one. Chatting up the meter-man, I learned: 1. The old meters are going to be junked. Not sold to Mexico or Lithuania like the 'phone company did with their mechanical central office stuff. We're talking, oh, one million meters in a city of 5.5 million. That's a pretty big pile. 2. His quota is 60-100 meters swapped out per day. 3. One purpose is to allow the meter to be read from the street. 4. It is alleged I can check my meter on the 'net. We'll see. You can just walk outside and check your meter. I view Smart Meters with the same suspicion that I have for OnStar. Perhaps I'm just paranoid? Aluminum foil hats don't work, it's already been tried. Remember when the drunk guy hit a tree with his car; then he went to another bar to relax, and On-star called the police. http://people.csail.mit.edu/rahimi/helmet/ TDD Imagine some government busybody decides you're using too much electricity and gets a warrant to search your home for anything incriminating. It already goes on. You fail to pay a parking The utilities report excessive usage to the police who then check for pot growing which uses a lot of power. TDD -- Tekkie Don't bother to thank me, I do this as a public service. |
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On 6/18/2010 8:05 PM, HeyBub wrote:
Power company came out today and replaced the old mechanical meter with the new fancy-schmancy one. Chatting up the meter-man, I learned: 1. The old meters are going to be junked. Not sold to Mexico or Lithuania like the 'phone company did with their mechanical central office stuff. We're talking, oh, one million meters in a city of 5.5 million. That's a pretty big pile. 2. His quota is 60-100 meters swapped out per day. 3. One purpose is to allow the meter to be read from the street. 4. It is alleged I can check my meter on the 'net. We'll see. They already read the meters remotely here in KC. It's done over the lines in real time back to the office. Yes, we can see our usage online, and the number will be exactly what the meter says at any given point. -- Steve Barker remove the "not" from my address to email |
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"HeyBub" wrote in message m... Power company came out today and replaced the old mechanical meter with the new fancy-schmancy one. Chatting up the meter-man, I learned: 1. The old meters are going to be junked. Not sold to Mexico or Lithuania like the 'phone company did with their mechanical central office stuff. We're talking, oh, one million meters in a city of 5.5 million. That's a pretty big pile. 2. His quota is 60-100 meters swapped out per day. 3. One purpose is to allow the meter to be read from the street. 4. It is alleged I can check my meter on the 'net. We'll see. With these smart meters and the proper thermostats, the power company in my area (Ontario Canada) will give you rebates if you let them cycle down from their office your air conditioner during peak demand periods. There are times where our power company actually has to import power from the US (ohio and michigan) in summer. We use a lot of nuclear power here and Ohio uses a lot of coal, but Ohio's pollution comes and hangs out over Ontario. So It makes some sense to set-up the meter to avoid importing power during peak times although I would never sign up for this program, I hope others do. Also these new meters charge different electrical rates during low demand periods so if you run your dryer or dishwasher after say 10pm you will pay 50% less for the energy used during this period. |
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On Jun 19, 8:45*am, "The Henchman" wrote:
"HeyBub" wrote in message m... Power company came out today and replaced the old mechanical meter with the new fancy-schmancy one. Chatting up the meter-man, I learned: 1. The old meters are going to be junked. Not sold to Mexico or Lithuania like the 'phone company did with their mechanical central office stuff. We're talking, oh, one million meters in a city of 5.5 million. That's a pretty big pile. 2. His quota is 60-100 meters swapped out per day. 3. One purpose is to allow the meter to be read from the street. 4. It is alleged I can check my meter on the 'net. We'll see. With these smart meters and the proper thermostats, the power company in my area (Ontario Canada) will give you rebates if you let them cycle down from their office your air conditioner during peak demand periods. It would seem you need more than just a smart meter to be able to do this. Here in NJ they've been doing this for 25+ years, using just an RF controlled device on the AC unit, no smart meter. *There are times where our power company actually has to import power from the US (ohio and michigan) in summer. *We use a lot of nuclear power here and Ohio uses a lot of coal, but Ohio's pollution comes and hangs out over Ontario. * So It makes some sense to set-up the meter to avoid importing power during peak times although I would never sign up for this program, I hope others do. Also these new meters charge different electrical rates during low demand periods so if you run your dryer or dishwasher after say 10pm you will pay 50% less for the energy used during this period. |
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"The Daring Dufas" wrote in message ... On 6/19/2010 9:11 AM, mm wrote: On Sat, 19 Jun 2010 05:55:10 -0700 (PDT), wrote: Alabama power had or has these evil radio controlled gadgets that were installed on the AC condenser of folks who singed up for a reduced rate or credit. During peak demand, the AC could be turned off by the power company. I haven't seen one for a while and always disconnected them when someone called for service on an AC which wasn't cooling. TDD I'm not surrendering control of my A/C or any appliance to some quasi government body (but I hope others do) but the code is here that there has to be an outside electrical disconnect for the A/C. The radio unit/thermostat gets installed in this box. Apparently in Ontario they can't override your settings by more than 2 C which is 5 F and it can only be done during weekday "working" hours. Never at evening nights or weeknights. I still wouldn't sign up but the owners before did and I had the ultity remove the switch when they did a wire search for me. |
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On Sat, 19 Jun 2010 08:45:24 -0400, "The Henchman"
wrote: With these smart meters and the proper thermostats, the power company in my area (Ontario Canada) will give you rebates if you let them cycle down from their office your air conditioner during peak demand periods. There are times where our power company actually has to import power from the US (ohio and michigan) in summer. We use a lot of nuclear power here and Ohio uses a lot of coal, but Ohio's pollution comes and hangs out over Ontario. So It I guess that is irony. You should get some big fans to blow it over Quebec. makes some sense to set-up the meter to avoid importing power during peak times although I would never sign up for this program, I hope others do. Also these new meters charge different electrical rates during low demand periods so if you run your dryer or dishwasher after say 10pm you will pay 50% less for the energy used during this period. |
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On Sat, 19 Jun 2010 10:00:48 -0400, mm
wrote: On Sat, 19 Jun 2010 08:45:24 -0400, "The Henchman" wrote: With these smart meters and the proper thermostats, the power company in my area (Ontario Canada) will give you rebates if you let them cycle down from their office your air conditioner during peak demand periods. There are times where our power company actually has to import power from the US (ohio and michigan) in summer. We use a lot of nuclear power here and Ohio uses a lot of coal, but Ohio's pollution comes and hangs out over Ontario. So It I guess that is irony. You should get some big fans to blow it over Quebec. Electric fans. That would be more irony. makes some sense to set-up the meter to avoid importing power during peak times although I would never sign up for this program, I hope others do. Also these new meters charge different electrical rates during low demand periods so if you run your dryer or dishwasher after say 10pm you will pay 50% less for the energy used during this period. |
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"mm" wrote in message ... On Sat, 19 Jun 2010 10:00:48 -0400, mm wrote: On Sat, 19 Jun 2010 08:45:24 -0400, "The Henchman" wrote: With these smart meters and the proper thermostats, the power company in my area (Ontario Canada) will give you rebates if you let them cycle down from their office your air conditioner during peak demand periods. There are times where our power company actually has to import power from the US (ohio and michigan) in summer. We use a lot of nuclear power here and Ohio uses a lot of coal, but Ohio's pollution comes and hangs out over Ontario. So It I guess that is irony. You should get some big fans to blow it over Quebec. Electric fans. That would be more irony. Quebec won't sell us cheap power. They prefer to sell to New York City and Boston at 7 times the price. Which is good. It means we subsidise that province less. Selling overpriced electricity is about the only thing Quebec does right. Problem is when you buy cheap coal power from Ohio, you have to take the smog with it. |
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On Jun 18, 8:05*pm, "HeyBub" wrote:
Power company came out today and replaced the old mechanical meter with the new fancy-schmancy one. Chatting up the meter-man, I learned: 1. The old meters are going to be junked. Not sold to Mexico or Lithuania like the 'phone company did with their mechanical central office stuff. We're talking, oh, one million meters in a city of 5.5 million. That's a pretty big pile. 2. His quota is 60-100 meters swapped out per day. 3. One purpose is to allow the meter to be read from the street. 4. It is alleged I can check my meter on the 'net. We'll see. They can shut off your meter remotely, even just to save power for industry during peak hours and when your AC needs it the most. If its tampered with or the power goes out they know immediatly as the meter contacts the system about every minute, they dont need meter readers anymore its all computer generated now. I would rather have the old meter. |
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On Sat, 19 Jun 2010 06:43:29 -0700 (PDT), ransley
wrote: On Jun 18, 8:05*pm, "HeyBub" wrote: Power company came out today and replaced the old mechanical meter with the new fancy-schmancy one. Chatting up the meter-man, I learned: 1. The old meters are going to be junked. Not sold to Mexico or Lithuania like the 'phone company did with their mechanical central office stuff. We're talking, oh, one million meters in a city of 5.5 million. That's a pretty big pile. 2. His quota is 60-100 meters swapped out per day. 3. One purpose is to allow the meter to be read from the street. 4. It is alleged I can check my meter on the 'net. We'll see. They can shut off your meter remotely, even just to save power for industry during peak hours and when your AC needs it the most. If its They'll shut off the AC all right if you have one of those things, and turn down your heat maybe if you have that, but they're not going to shut off the electricity at the meter to save AC for someone else. tampered with or the power goes out they know immediatly as the meter contacts the system about every minute, they dont need meter readers anymore its all computer generated now. My nephew wanted to be a meter reader when he grew up. This is going to hit him hard. I would rather have the old meter. |
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mm wrote:
My nephew wanted to be a meter reader when he grew up. This is going to hit him hard. He still can. Even if the water and gas go the way of electric, he can still go door-to-door reading them. Might see something interesting. |
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HeyBub wrote:
Power company came out today and replaced the old mechanical meter with the new fancy-schmancy one. Chatting up the meter-man, I learned: 1. The old meters are going to be junked. Not sold to Mexico or Lithuania like the 'phone company did with their mechanical central office stuff. We're talking, oh, one million meters in a city of 5.5 million. That's a pretty big pile. 2. His quota is 60-100 meters swapped out per day. 3. One purpose is to allow the meter to be read from the street. 4. It is alleged I can check my meter on the 'net. We'll see. The meter will be read from the office computers. No meter readers needed. -- LSMFT I haven't spoken to my wife in 18 months. I don't like to interrupt her. |
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In article , RobertPatrick wrote:
"HeyBub" wrote in om: Power company came out today and replaced the old mechanical meter with the new fancy-schmancy one. Chatting up the meter-man, I learned: 1. The old meters are going to be junked. Not sold to Mexico or Lithuania like the 'phone company did with their mechanical central office stuff. We're talking, oh, one million meters in a city of 5.5 million. That's a pretty big pile. 2. His quota is 60-100 meters swapped out per day. 3. One purpose is to allow the meter to be read from the street. 4. It is alleged I can check my meter on the 'net. We'll see. My local company changed mine about 5 years ago. It's great. They don't bother me to come in the house anymore. Same with the gas meter. Your electric and gas meters were inside the house? Yeah, riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight..... |
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