Just bought a dozen Leviton decora single pole 15A 120VAC lighted rocker
switches (model 5611, aka model 105-05611-21S).

Nothing on the box says how much power each of the lighted bulb uses when
the switch is in the off position.

Do you know how much power a lighted switch uses?

On May 17, 9:53*pm, Glenda Copeland gscopel...@Use-Author-Supplied-
Address.invalid wrote:
Just bought a dozen Leviton decora single pole 15A 120VAC lighted rocker
switches (model 5611, aka model 105-05611-21S).

Nothing on the box says how much power each of the lighted bulb uses when
the switch is in the off position.

Do you know how much power a lighted switch uses?

Is it neon or led?

On Tue, 18 May 2010 01:53:25 +0000 (UTC), Glenda Copeland
wrote:

Just bought a dozen Leviton decora single pole 15A 120VAC lighted rocker
switches (model 5611, aka model 105-05611-21S).

Nothing on the box says how much power each of the lighted bulb uses when
the switch is in the off position.

Do you know how much power a lighted switch uses?

About as much as a 110 volt neon bulb. I'm sure you can find specs
for those a lot of places. But it's very little, just a guess 0.01 to
0.1 watts? Let me know what you find out.

On Mon, 17 May 2010 18:59:46 -0700 (PDT), Jack Hammer wrote:
Do you know how much power a lighted switch uses?

Is it neon or led?

It looks to be neon.

Here are some URLs that describe the switch, but not how much power the
light uses:

http://www.amazon.com/Leviton-105-05...4148771&sr=1-5

http://www.amazon.com/Leviton-5611-2.../dp/B0033PSGFK

http://www.drillspot.com/products/12...de_Wall_Switch

http://www.smarthome.com/4246W/Levit...-5611-W/p.aspx

In , Glenda Copeland wrote:
Just bought a dozen Leviton decora single pole 15A 120VAC lighted rocker
switches (model 5611, aka model 105-05611-21S).

Nothing on the box says how much power each of the lighted bulb uses when
the switch is in the off position.

Do you know how much power a lighted switch uses?

I have had a lighted switch at my day job. It had a high intensity neon
lamp, apparently either C2A (NE-2H) or A1C ("mini NE-2H) (hard to tell
through the switch). Figure about 1/4 watt.

- Don Klipstein )

On May 17, 10:14*pm, Glenda Copeland gscopel...@Use-Author-Supplied-
Address.invalid wrote:
On Mon, 17 May 2010 18:59:46 -0700 (PDT), Jack Hammer wrote:
Do you know how much power a lighted switch uses?

Is it neon or led?

It looks to be neon.

Here are some URLs that describe the switch, but not how much power the
light uses:

http://www.amazon.com/Leviton-105-05...le-Illuminated...

http://www.amazon.com/Leviton-5611-2...ential-Groundi...

http://www.drillspot.com/products/12...W_Commercial_G...

http://www.smarthome.com/4246W/Levit...ra-Style-Wall-...

I am going to guess at anywhere between 0.1 to 0.2 Watts.
Nothing to be concerned about imo.

In , wrote:

On Tue, 18 May 2010 01:53:25 +0000 (UTC), Glenda Copeland
wrote:

Just bought a dozen Leviton decora single pole 15A 120VAC lighted rocker
switches (model 5611, aka model 105-05611-21S).

Nothing on the box says how much power each of the lighted bulb uses when
the switch is in the off position.

Do you know how much power a lighted switch uses?

A neon uses about 0.15KWH a year.

I had experience with a lighted switch at my day job. The neon lamp was
definitely a high intensity type, probably C2A (NE-2H) or A1C ("mini
NE-2H").

Figure about 1/4 watt for those, which means around 2.2 KWH per year
times 1/100 of the percentage of the time that the neon lamp is on.

That is, until the neon lamp starts flickering (uses less then) after
25,000-50,000 hours. High intensity neon lamps in 120 VAC use tend to
flicker and then gradually completely die as they age. Standard intensity
ones do less of that and more of simply fading from their bulbs being
discolored.

- Don Klipstein )

Glenda Copeland wrote

Just bought a dozen Leviton decora single pole 15A 120VAC
lighted rocker switches (model 5611, aka model 105-05611-21S).

Nothing on the box says how much power each of the
lighted bulb uses when the switch is in the off position.

Do you know how much power a lighted switch uses?

Not enough to worry about.

"mm" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 18 May 2010 01:53:25 +0000 (UTC), Glenda Copeland
wrote:

Just bought a dozen Leviton decora single pole 15A 120VAC lighted rocker
switches (model 5611, aka model 105-05611-21S).

Nothing on the box says how much power each of the lighted bulb uses when
the switch is in the off position.

Do you know how much power a lighted switch uses?

About as much as a 110 volt neon bulb. I'm sure you can find specs
for those a lot of places. But it's very little, just a guess 0.01 to
0.1 watts? Let me know what you find out.


mm Close. I get .096 watts with one that has a 150,000 ohm resistor in
series with lamp. So if the utility KW cost $ .10 you can figure out the
rest. WW

On Mon, 17 May 2010 21:30:35 -0600, "WW"
wrote:


"mm" wrote in message
.. .
On Tue, 18 May 2010 01:53:25 +0000 (UTC), Glenda Copeland
wrote:

Just bought a dozen Leviton decora single pole 15A 120VAC lighted rocker
switches (model 5611, aka model 105-05611-21S).

Nothing on the box says how much power each of the lighted bulb uses when
the switch is in the off position.

Do you know how much power a lighted switch uses?

About as much as a 110 volt neon bulb. I'm sure you can find specs
for those a lot of places. But it's very little, just a guess 0.01 to
0.1 watts? Let me know what you find out.


mm Close. I get .096 watts with one that has a 150,000 ohm resistor in
series with lamp. So if the utility KW cost $ .10 you can figure out the
rest. WW

This would be about 9 cents a year, if the light is off all year.

On May 17, 10:56*pm, mm wrote:
On Mon, 17 May 2010 21:30:35 -0600, "WW"
wrote:







"mm" wrote in message
.. .
On Tue, 18 May 2010 01:53:25 +0000 (UTC), Glenda Copeland
wrote:

Just bought a dozen Leviton decora single pole 15A 120VAC lighted rocker
switches (model 5611, aka model 105-05611-21S).

Nothing on the box says how much power each of the lighted bulb uses when
the switch is in the off position.

Do you know how much power a lighted switch uses?

About as much as a 110 volt neon bulb. *I'm sure you can find specs
for those a lot of places. *But it's very little, just a guess 0.01 to
0.1 watts? * Let me know what you find out.

mm Close. I get .096 watts with one that has a 150,000 ohm resistor in
series with lamp. So if the utility KW cost $ .10 you can figure out the
rest. WW

This would be about 9 cents a year, if the light is off all year.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Much less than the stand-by power a wall-wart uses even when nothing
is plugged into the wall wart.

Glenda Copeland wrote:
Just bought a dozen Leviton decora single pole 15A 120VAC lighted rocker
switches (model 5611, aka model 105-05611-21S).

Nothing on the box says how much power each of the lighted bulb uses when
the switch is in the off position.

Do you know how much power a lighted switch uses?
Hi,
It is negligible regardless what's in there, neon or LED.
I'prefer LED, neon emits electric noise.

On May 18, 2:53�am, Glenda Copeland gscopel...@Use-Author-Supplied-
Address.invalid wrote:
Just bought a dozen Leviton decora single pole 15A 120VAC lighted rocker
switches (model 5611, aka model 105-05611-21S).

Nothing on the box says how much power each of the lighted bulb uses when
the switch is in the off position.

Do you know how much power a lighted switch uses?

Virtually nothing.

On May 18, 1:01*am, Tony Hwang wrote:
Glenda Copeland wrote:
Just bought a dozen Leviton decora single pole 15A 120VAC lighted rocker
switches (model 5611, aka model 105-05611-21S).

Nothing on the box says how much power each of the lighted bulb uses when
the switch is in the off position.

Do you know how much power a lighted switch uses?

Hi,
It is negligible regardless what's in there, neon or LED.
I'prefer LED, neon emits electric noise.

You are correct. And if I am not mistaken you get more lumen/watt from
led
then neon.

On May 17, 8:53*pm, Glenda Copeland gscopel...@Use-Author-Supplied-
Address.invalid wrote:
Just bought a dozen Leviton decora single pole 15A 120VAC lighted rocker
switches (model 5611, aka model 105-05611-21S).

Nothing on the box says how much power each of the lighted bulb uses when
the switch is in the off position.

Do you know how much power a lighted switch uses?

It's likely either an NE2 or an NE2H, which a quick web search shows
are rated for .03W and .09W, respectively. The right answer is
"fagetabooutit".

The energy used reading and responding to this post now equals more
than the lifetime energy used by this switches lamp............

On Mon, 17 May 2010 21:30:35 -0600, WW wrote:

if the utility KW cost $.10 you can figure out the rest.

Our utility prices are 11 cents (¢) per kilowatt (KW) for the first KW of
the month but 48¢ for the last two or three weeks' worth of kilowatts. I
would guess the average KW out here to then be about 35¢.

So, if I add a dozen of these lighted switches, and they're on most of the
day, say, 20 hours per day for 30 days in a month, at .096 watts per hour,
that comes to about a penny per day, I think.

12switches x 20hours/day x 30days/month x 0.1watts x 35¢/KW x 1KW/1000W =
25¢/month

On Mon, 17 May 2010 23:56:13 -0400, mm wrote:

This would be about 9 cents a year, if the light is off all year.

Using California electric rates, I get, for a single switch, 31¢/year?

1switch x 24hours/day x365days/year x 35¢/KW x .1W x 1KW/1000W

We have tiered pricing out here where the first week or so costs about
11¢/KW, the next week is about double, and the last two weeks of the month
it's more than 4 times as much so I averaged that to about 35¢/KW.

On Mon, 17 May 2010 21:04:51 -0700 (PDT), hr(bob) wrote:

Much less than the stand-by power a wall-wart uses

What is a wall wart?

On Tue, 18 May 2010 02:25:44 +0000 (UTC), Don Klipstein wrote:

Figure about 1/4 watt for those, which means around 2.2 KWH per year
times 1/100 of the percentage of the time that the neon lamp is on.

I don't understand the 1/100th the percentage (figure 98% of the time the
switch is off so the neon bulb is on).

What's the 1/100 for?

On Tue, 18 May 2010 04:57:45 -0700 (PDT), Jack Hammer wrote:

It is negligible regardless what's in there, neon or LED.
I'prefer LED, neon emits electric noise.

more lumen/watt from led then neon.

It looks like it's costing 25¢/month for the dozen neon-lit switches.

What noise would I be worried about? I have the normal stuff (phones,
computer, router, etc.) Which would the neon affect and how?

BTW, I didn't see ANY LED illuminated switches at ACE or OSH in town!

On Tue, 18 May 2010 06:17:06 -0700 (PDT), keith wrote:

It's likely either an NE2 or an NE2H, which a quick web search shows
are rated for .03W and .09W, respectively. The right answer is
"fagetabooutit".

Using 0.1W, and averaging my electric rates (35¢/KW) for a dozen switches I
get about 25¢/month or $3.00/year.

On Tue, 18 May 2010 07:02:52 -0700 (PDT), terry wrote:

The neon glows when the switch is 'off'.

Yes.

At ten cents per k.watt.hr

The only "problem" is that our energy here in sunny California is nowhere
near 10¢ per KWh. I'm going to get my bill and come back with the actual
numbers, but the first KWh is about 12¢ but that only lasts for a
"baseline" which is about a week. Then the next week is double, then
triple, then more than four times that when you get to the last week.

I'm figuring easily that it's 35¢/KWh here in California. Any other
Californians out there that can help me on the math?

My math comes to about $3.00/year for the dozen switches.

On Tue, 18 May 2010 01:53:25 +0000 (UTC), Glenda Copeland wrote:

Just bought a dozen Leviton decora single pole 15A 120VAC lighted rocker
switches (model 5611, aka model 105-05611-21S).
Do you know how much power a lighted switch uses?

You guys have cheap electricity!

I just pulled out my California PG&E bill to check the numbers (I can't
believe you guys pay only a dime per Kwh!!!!!. Lucky you!)

My baseline is 365.4Kwh at 12¢/Kwh
Then for 101% to 130% of baseline, it's 14¢/Kwh.
For 131% to 200%, it's 29¢/Kwh.
And, for the last few weeks of the month, at 201% to 300% of baseline, it's
43¢/month.

I averaged this to about 35¢/Kwh because I didn't know how to do the math
otherwise (I used over 150 Kwh at the 131% to 200% rate and 256 Kwh at the
29¢ rate).

..1W/bulb x 12switches x 20hours/day x 365days/year x 35¢/Kwh x 1Kwh/1000KW
= $3.00/year

It would be nice to see what others pay for 201% to 300% over baseline 'cuz
if it's 10¢, you have the deal of the century!

"Glenda Copeland"
wrote in message
...
On Tue, 18 May 2010 04:57:45 -0700 (PDT), Jack Hammer wrote:

It is negligible regardless what's in there, neon or LED.
I'prefer LED, neon emits electric noise.

more lumen/watt from led then neon.

It looks like it's costing 25¢/month for the dozen neon-lit
switches.

What noise would I be worried about? I have the normal stuff
(phones,
computer, router, etc.) Which would the neon affect and how?

BTW, I didn't see ANY LED illuminated switches at ACE or OSH in
town!

Interesting observation. I know that when a single lead from a
neon light touches a hot wire, the neon light will glow if there
is almost anything touching the other lead. Was used as a voltage
checker long before the IC devices were available. If the neon's
lead was touching a hot wire and the other a ground/neutral, then
the lamp glowed brightly, otherwise, there was a lesser glow.

This leads me to the conclusion that neon lighted switches take
advantage of this ability and do NOT require a lead to ground or
neutral to achieve the low level glow seen in a lighted switch.
Perhaps an LED lighted switch would require a grounded/neutral
other lead to work, together with diode to convert the AC to DC.

--
Nonny
On most days,
it's just not worth
the effort of chewing
through the restraints..

On May 18, 6:37�pm, Glenda Copeland gscopel...@Use-Author-Supplied-
Address.invalid wrote:
On Tue, 18 May 2010 01:53:25 +0000 (UTC), Glenda Copeland wrote:
Just bought a dozen Leviton decora single pole 15A 120VAC lighted rocker
switches (model 5611, aka model 105-05611-21S).
Do you know how much power a lighted switch uses?

You guys have cheap electricity!

I just pulled out my California PG&E bill to check the numbers (I can't
believe you guys pay only a dime per Kwh!!!!!. Lucky you!)

My baseline is 365.4Kwh at 12�/Kwh
Then for 101% to 130% of baseline, it's 14�/Kwh.
For 131% to 200%, it's 29�/Kwh.
And, for the last few weeks of the month, at 201% to 300% of baseline, it's
43�/month.

I averaged this to about 35�/Kwh because I didn't know how to do the math
otherwise (I used over 150 Kwh at the 131% to 200% rate and 256 Kwh at the
29� rate).

.1W/bulb x 12switches x 20hours/day x 365days/year x 35�/Kwh x 1Kwh/1000KW
= $3.00/year

It would be nice to see what others pay for 201% to 300% over baseline 'cuz
if it's 10�, you have the deal of the century!

Well in the UK we pay around $0.25/Kwh. Plus a fixed "meter rental".
Massive rises forecast for the near future. To pay for our
replacement nuclear power stations.
The upside is our electrical appliances are more efficient.v They
need to be.

My electricity bill is about $100/month on average. However I have no
gas/oil bill my house is zero heat needed.

Glenda Copeland wrote:
On Tue, 18 May 2010 01:53:25 +0000 (UTC), Glenda Copeland wrote:

Just bought a dozen Leviton decora single pole 15A 120VAC lighted
rocker switches (model 5611, aka model 105-05611-21S).
Do you know how much power a lighted switch uses?

You guys have cheap electricity!

I just pulled out my California PG&E bill to check the numbers (I
can't believe you guys pay only a dime per Kwh!!!!!. Lucky you!)

My baseline is 365.4Kwh at 12¢/Kwh
Then for 101% to 130% of baseline, it's 14¢/Kwh.
For 131% to 200%, it's 29¢/Kwh.
And, for the last few weeks of the month, at 201% to 300% of
baseline, it's 43¢/month.

I averaged this to about 35¢/Kwh because I didn't know how to do the
math otherwise (I used over 150 Kwh at the 131% to 200% rate and 256
Kwh at the 29¢ rate).

.1W/bulb x 12switches x 20hours/day x 365days/year x 35¢/Kwh x
1Kwh/1000KW = $3.00/year

It would be nice to see what others pay for 201% to 300% over
baseline 'cuz if it's 10¢, you have the deal of the century!

in our area, the rate during the day is 2x the rate for nighttime or
weekends, so we try to schedule our heavy usage for off peak. nighttime
rates are in the .07kwh range.

i run a couple of kilns, at about 8kh each, which can run for 2-3 days
straight, so i couldn't afford to live in ca.

however, i just installed a 7.5kw pv cell array, so my day costs are 0.

wrote:
On Tue, 18 May 2010 02:20:05 +0000 (UTC), (Don
Klipstein) wrote:


In , Glenda Copeland wrote:

Just bought a dozen Leviton decora single pole 15A 120VAC lighted rocker
switches (model 5611, aka model 105-05611-21S).

Nothing on the box says how much power each of the lighted bulb uses when
the switch is in the off position.

Do you know how much power a lighted switch uses?

I have had a lighted switch at my day job. It had a high intensity neon
lamp, apparently either C2A (NE-2H) or A1C ("mini NE-2H) (hard to tell
through the switch). Figure about 1/4 watt.

- Don Klipstein )


I got my number from the 1 meg ohm resistor your typical neon has in
series with the bulb. Consider an ionized neon as a dead short.

I don't think so. IIRC an ionized neon bulb requires about 60 volts
across it, close to half of a 120 volt line voltage.

And I don't think the "typical" series resistor is 1 meg. 50K to 100K is
more like it.

Jeff

--
Jeffry Wisnia
(W1BSV + Brass Rat '57 EE)
The speed of light is 1.8*10e12 furlongs per fortnight.

On May 18, 12:37*pm, Glenda Copeland gscopel...@Use-Author-Supplied-
Address.invalid wrote:
On Tue, 18 May 2010 01:53:25 +0000 (UTC), Glenda Copeland wrote:
Just bought a dozen Leviton decora single pole 15A 120VAC lighted rocker
switches (model 5611, aka model 105-05611-21S).
Do you know how much power a lighted switch uses?

You guys have cheap electricity!

I just pulled out my California PG&E bill to check the numbers (I can't
believe you guys pay only a dime per Kwh!!!!!. Lucky you!)

My baseline is 365.4Kwh at 12¢/Kwh
Then for 101% to 130% of baseline, it's 14¢/Kwh.
For 131% to 200%, it's 29¢/Kwh.
And, for the last few weeks of the month, at 201% to 300% of baseline, it's
43¢/month.

I averaged this to about 35¢/Kwh because I didn't know how to do the math
otherwise (I used over 150 Kwh at the 131% to 200% rate and 256 Kwh at the
29¢ rate).

.1W/bulb x 12switches x 20hours/day x 365days/year x 35¢/Kwh x 1Kwh/1000KW
= $3.00/year

It would be nice to see what others pay for 201% to 300% over baseline 'cuz
if it's 10¢, you have the deal of the century!

$.10, top to bottom, Winter and Summer (heat pump).

On May 18, 12:14*pm, Glenda Copeland gscopel...@Use-Author-Supplied-
Address.invalid wrote:
On Tue, 18 May 2010 04:57:45 -0700 (PDT), Jack Hammer wrote:
It is negligible regardless what's in there, neon or LED.
I'prefer LED, neon emits electric noise.

more lumen/watt from led then neon.

It looks like it's costing 25¢/month for the dozen neon-lit switches.

What noise would I be worried about? I have the normal stuff (phones,
computer, router, etc.) Which would the neon affect and how?

AM radio, close to the lamp tuned to a very weak station, maybe.

BTW, I didn't see ANY LED illuminated switches at ACE or OSH in town!

On May 18, 12:08*pm, Glenda Copeland gscopel...@Use-Author-Supplied-
Address.invalid wrote:
On Mon, 17 May 2010 21:04:51 -0700 (PDT), hr(bob) wrote:
Much less than the stand-by power a wall-wart uses

What is a wall wart?

Power supply (AC or DC) that plugs into the wall and has a cord that
attaches to an electronic gadget. It's a bump on the wall, hence
"wall wart".

On 5/18/2010 10:11 AM Glenda Copeland spake thus:

On Tue, 18 May 2010 02:25:44 +0000 (UTC), Don Klipstein wrote:

Figure about 1/4 watt for those, which means around 2.2 KWH per year
times 1/100 of the percentage of the time that the neon lamp is on.

I don't understand the 1/100th the percentage (figure 98% of the time the
switch is off so the neon bulb is on).

What's the 1/100 for?

Yeah, Don, what's up with that? Nothing more annoying than unexplained
"adjustments" like that.


--
The fashion in killing has an insouciant, flirty style this spring,
with the flaunting of well-defined muscle, wrapped in flags.

- Comment from an article on Antiwar.com (http://antiwar.com)

Glenda Copeland wrote:
On Tue, 18 May 2010 01:53:25 +0000 (UTC), Glenda Copeland wrote:

Just bought a dozen Leviton decora single pole 15A 120VAC lighted
rocker switches (model 5611, aka model 105-05611-21S).
Do you know how much power a lighted switch uses?

You guys have cheap electricity!

I just pulled out my California PG&E bill to check the numbers (I
can't believe you guys pay only a dime per Kwh!!!!!. Lucky you!)

My baseline is 365.4Kwh at 12¢/Kwh
Then for 101% to 130% of baseline, it's 14¢/Kwh.
For 131% to 200%, it's 29¢/Kwh.
And, for the last few weeks of the month, at 201% to 300% of
baseline, it's 43¢/month.

I averaged this to about 35¢/Kwh because I didn't know how to do the
math otherwise (I used over 150 Kwh at the 131% to 200% rate and 256
Kwh at the 29¢ rate).

.1W/bulb x 12switches x 20hours/day x 365days/year x 35¢/Kwh x
1Kwh/1000KW = $3.00/year

It would be nice to see what others pay for 201% to 300% over
baseline 'cuz if it's 10¢, you have the deal of the century!

It's gonna get more expensive soon. Arizona provides about 30% of
California's power, and Arizona is ****ed.

In article ,
Glenda Copeland
wrote:

On Tue, 18 May 2010 01:53:25 +0000 (UTC), Glenda Copeland wrote:

Just bought a dozen Leviton decora single pole 15A 120VAC lighted rocker
switches (model 5611, aka model 105-05611-21S).
Do you know how much power a lighted switch uses?

You guys have cheap electricity!

I just pulled out my California PG&E bill to check the numbers (I can't
believe you guys pay only a dime per Kwh!!!!!. Lucky you!)

My baseline is 365.4Kwh at 12¢/Kwh
Then for 101% to 130% of baseline, it's 14¢/Kwh.
For 131% to 200%, it's 29¢/Kwh.
And, for the last few weeks of the month, at 201% to 300% of baseline, it's
43¢/month.

I averaged this to about 35¢/Kwh because I didn't know how to do the math
otherwise (I used over 150 Kwh at the 131% to 200% rate and 256 Kwh at the
29¢ rate).

.1W/bulb x 12switches x 20hours/day x 365days/year x 35¢/Kwh x 1Kwh/1000KW
= $3.00/year

It would be nice to see what others pay for 201% to 300% over baseline 'cuz
if it's 10¢, you have the deal of the century!

So you use up your monthly baseline allocation in a week? Maybe try a
little conservation, that's the idea. And you're worried about a damn
neon bulb?

In article ,
"HeyBub" wrote:



It's gonna get more expensive soon. Arizona provides about 30% of
California's power, and Arizona is ****ed.

If they won't give us power, we'll send them our illegal aliens.

On May 18, 3:16*pm, Glenda Copeland gscopel...@Use-Author-Supplied-
Address.invalid wrote:
On Tue, 18 May 2010 06:17:06 -0700 (PDT), keith wrote:
It's likely either an NE2 or an NE2H, which a quick web search shows
are rated for .03W and .09W, respectively. *The right answer is
"fagetabooutit".

Using 0.1W, and averaging my electric rates (35¢/KW) for a dozen switches I
get about 25¢/month or $3.00/year.

Ok on all those numbers but the spec I found showed each neon
indicator using about 0.04 watts per hour.

Based on 0.3 milliamps at 115 volts. Thus wattage = current times
voltage or (0.3 x 115)/1000 = 0.0345 watts per hour.

Per month that would be 24 x30 x 0.0345 = 24.84 watt/hours.

And at ten cents per 1000 watt hours (i.e. per kilowatt/hour) that'd
cost 24.84/1000 x $0.1 = approx 0.25 cents
At 35 cents per kilowatt hour it would be 0.75 cents, per month.
And for a dozen switches 0.75 x 12 = about 3 cents or of the order of
36 cents per year.
Since we are all presuming, it seems, that the indicator light inside
the switches will be off whenever whatever the switch controls is 'on'
the indicators will cost even less than that. In other words if one is
using electric lights, negligible!

On May 18, 2:25*pm, David Nebenzahl wrote:
On 5/18/2010 10:11 AM Glenda Copeland spake thus:

On Tue, 18 May 2010 02:25:44 +0000 (UTC), Don Klipstein wrote:

* Figure about 1/4 watt for those, which means around 2.2 KWH per year
times 1/100 of the percentage of the time that the neon lamp is on.

I don't understand the 1/100th the percentage (figure 98% of the time the
switch is off so the neon bulb is on).

What's the 1/100 for?

Yeah, Don, what's up with that? Nothing more annoying than unexplained
"adjustments" like that.

99% is defined as 99 times 1/100.

On May 18, 4:28*pm, Mark wrote:
On May 18, 2:56*pm, keith wrote:



On May 18, 12:14*pm, Glenda Copeland gscopel...@Use-Author-Supplied-

Address.invalid wrote:
On Tue, 18 May 2010 04:57:45 -0700 (PDT), Jack Hammer wrote:
It is negligible regardless what's in there, neon or LED.
I'prefer LED, neon emits electric noise.

more lumen/watt from led then neon.

It looks like it's costing 25¢/month for the dozen neon-lit switches.

What noise would I be worried about? I have the normal stuff (phones,
computer, router, etc.) Which would the neon affect and how?

AM radio, close to the lamp tuned to a very weak station, maybe.

BTW, I didn't see ANY LED illuminated switches at ACE or OSH in town! - Hide quoted text -

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there is NO significant RF noise radiated or conducted at all from a
tiny NE-2 neon lamp..
Note, we are NOT talking about neon store window signs that operate at
25kV.

Mark

There *is* noise caused by the neon firing. Whether you think it is
significant or not is simply a judgment.

On May 19, 12:36*am, terry wrote:
On May 18, 3:16*pm, Glenda Copeland gscopel...@Use-Author-Supplied-

Address.invalid wrote:
On Tue, 18 May 2010 06:17:06 -0700 (PDT), keith wrote:
It's likely either an NE2 or an NE2H, which a quick web search shows
are rated for .03W and .09W, respectively. *The right answer is
"fagetabooutit".

Using 0.1W, and averaging my electric rates (35¢/KW) for a dozen switches I
get about 25¢/month or $3.00/year.

Ok on all those numbers but the spec I found showed each neon
indicator using about 0.04 watts per hour.

Just a nitpick, but .04 watts per hour is meaningless. It's .04 watt-
hours per hour, or just .04 watts. One watt for one hour is defined
to be one watt-hour.

Based on 0.3 milliamps at 115 volts. Thus wattage = current times
voltage or (0.3 x 115)/1000 = 0.0345 watts per hour.

No, it's .04 watts (if that's the number). You can't do some
arithmetic, throwing away precision, and then come back to the same
units with a different number. In this case you lost energy. At
least you could have made a perpetual motion machine. ;-)

Per month that would be 24 x30 x 0.0345 = 24.84 watt/hours.

And at ten cents per 1000 watt hours (i.e. per kilowatt/hour) that'd
cost 24.84/1000 x $0.1 = approx 0.25 cents
At 35 cents per kilowatt hour it would be 0.75 cents, per month.
And for a dozen switches 0.75 x 12 = about 3 cents or of the order of
36 cents per year.
Since we are all presuming, it seems, that the indicator light inside
the switches will be off whenever whatever the switch controls is 'on'
the indicators will cost even less than that. In other words if one is
using electric lights, negligible!

If one is using other appliances, such as refrigerators, water
heaters, or clothes dryers, the lights themselves are (usually)
negligible (if not, the whole bill is ;-).

On May 18, 9:17*pm, Smitty Two wrote:
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*"HeyBub" wrote:

It's gonna get more expensive soon. Arizona provides about 30% of
California's power, and Arizona is ****ed.

If they won't give us power, we'll send them our illegal aliens.

Actually, Arizona is well on the way to sending you their illegals.