Just bought a dozen Leviton decora single pole 15A 120VAC lighted rocker
switches (model 5611, aka model 105-05611-21S).

Nothing on the box says how much power each of the lighted bulb uses when
the switch is in the off position.

Do you know how much power a lighted switch uses?

On May 17, 9:53*pm, Glenda Copeland gscopel...@Use-Author-Supplied-
Address.invalid wrote:
Just bought a dozen Leviton decora single pole 15A 120VAC lighted rocker
switches (model 5611, aka model 105-05611-21S).

Nothing on the box says how much power each of the lighted bulb uses when
the switch is in the off position.

Do you know how much power a lighted switch uses?

Is it neon or led?

On Mon, 17 May 2010 18:59:46 -0700 (PDT), Jack Hammer wrote:
Do you know how much power a lighted switch uses?

Is it neon or led?

It looks to be neon.

Here are some URLs that describe the switch, but not how much power the
light uses:

http://www.amazon.com/Leviton-105-05...4148771&sr=1-5

http://www.amazon.com/Leviton-5611-2.../dp/B0033PSGFK

http://www.drillspot.com/products/12...de_Wall_Switch

http://www.smarthome.com/4246W/Levit...-5611-W/p.aspx

On May 17, 10:14*pm, Glenda Copeland gscopel...@Use-Author-Supplied-
Address.invalid wrote:
On Mon, 17 May 2010 18:59:46 -0700 (PDT), Jack Hammer wrote:
Do you know how much power a lighted switch uses?

Is it neon or led?

It looks to be neon.

Here are some URLs that describe the switch, but not how much power the
light uses:

http://www.amazon.com/Leviton-105-05...le-Illuminated...

http://www.amazon.com/Leviton-5611-2...ential-Groundi...

http://www.drillspot.com/products/12...W_Commercial_G...

http://www.smarthome.com/4246W/Levit...ra-Style-Wall-...

I am going to guess at anywhere between 0.1 to 0.2 Watts.
Nothing to be concerned about imo.

On Tue, 18 May 2010 01:53:25 +0000 (UTC), Glenda Copeland
wrote:

Just bought a dozen Leviton decora single pole 15A 120VAC lighted rocker
switches (model 5611, aka model 105-05611-21S).

Nothing on the box says how much power each of the lighted bulb uses when
the switch is in the off position.

Do you know how much power a lighted switch uses?

About as much as a 110 volt neon bulb. I'm sure you can find specs
for those a lot of places. But it's very little, just a guess 0.01 to
0.1 watts? Let me know what you find out.

"mm" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 18 May 2010 01:53:25 +0000 (UTC), Glenda Copeland
wrote:

Just bought a dozen Leviton decora single pole 15A 120VAC lighted rocker
switches (model 5611, aka model 105-05611-21S).

Nothing on the box says how much power each of the lighted bulb uses when
the switch is in the off position.

Do you know how much power a lighted switch uses?

About as much as a 110 volt neon bulb. I'm sure you can find specs
for those a lot of places. But it's very little, just a guess 0.01 to
0.1 watts? Let me know what you find out.


mm Close. I get .096 watts with one that has a 150,000 ohm resistor in
series with lamp. So if the utility KW cost $ .10 you can figure out the
rest. WW

On Mon, 17 May 2010 21:30:35 -0600, "WW"
wrote:


"mm" wrote in message
.. .
On Tue, 18 May 2010 01:53:25 +0000 (UTC), Glenda Copeland
wrote:

Just bought a dozen Leviton decora single pole 15A 120VAC lighted rocker
switches (model 5611, aka model 105-05611-21S).

Nothing on the box says how much power each of the lighted bulb uses when
the switch is in the off position.

Do you know how much power a lighted switch uses?

About as much as a 110 volt neon bulb. I'm sure you can find specs
for those a lot of places. But it's very little, just a guess 0.01 to
0.1 watts? Let me know what you find out.


mm Close. I get .096 watts with one that has a 150,000 ohm resistor in
series with lamp. So if the utility KW cost $ .10 you can figure out the
rest. WW

This would be about 9 cents a year, if the light is off all year.

On May 17, 10:56*pm, mm wrote:
On Mon, 17 May 2010 21:30:35 -0600, "WW"
wrote:







"mm" wrote in message
.. .
On Tue, 18 May 2010 01:53:25 +0000 (UTC), Glenda Copeland
wrote:

Just bought a dozen Leviton decora single pole 15A 120VAC lighted rocker
switches (model 5611, aka model 105-05611-21S).

Nothing on the box says how much power each of the lighted bulb uses when
the switch is in the off position.

Do you know how much power a lighted switch uses?

About as much as a 110 volt neon bulb. *I'm sure you can find specs
for those a lot of places. *But it's very little, just a guess 0.01 to
0.1 watts? * Let me know what you find out.

mm Close. I get .096 watts with one that has a 150,000 ohm resistor in
series with lamp. So if the utility KW cost $ .10 you can figure out the
rest. WW

This would be about 9 cents a year, if the light is off all year.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Much less than the stand-by power a wall-wart uses even when nothing
is plugged into the wall wart.

On Mon, 17 May 2010 21:04:51 -0700 (PDT), hr(bob) wrote:

Much less than the stand-by power a wall-wart uses

What is a wall wart?

On Mon, 17 May 2010 23:56:13 -0400, mm wrote:

This would be about 9 cents a year, if the light is off all year.

Using California electric rates, I get, for a single switch, 31¢/year?

1switch x 24hours/day x365days/year x 35¢/KW x .1W x 1KW/1000W

We have tiered pricing out here where the first week or so costs about
11¢/KW, the next week is about double, and the last two weeks of the month
it's more than 4 times as much so I averaged that to about 35¢/KW.

On Mon, 17 May 2010 21:30:35 -0600, WW wrote:

if the utility KW cost $.10 you can figure out the rest.

Our utility prices are 11 cents (¢) per kilowatt (KW) for the first KW of
the month but 48¢ for the last two or three weeks' worth of kilowatts. I
would guess the average KW out here to then be about 35¢.

So, if I add a dozen of these lighted switches, and they're on most of the
day, say, 20 hours per day for 30 days in a month, at .096 watts per hour,
that comes to about a penny per day, I think.

12switches x 20hours/day x 30days/month x 0.1watts x 35¢/KW x 1KW/1000W =
25¢/month

In , Glenda Copeland wrote:
Just bought a dozen Leviton decora single pole 15A 120VAC lighted rocker
switches (model 5611, aka model 105-05611-21S).

Nothing on the box says how much power each of the lighted bulb uses when
the switch is in the off position.

Do you know how much power a lighted switch uses?

I have had a lighted switch at my day job. It had a high intensity neon
lamp, apparently either C2A (NE-2H) or A1C ("mini NE-2H) (hard to tell
through the switch). Figure about 1/4 watt.

- Don Klipstein )

wrote:
On Tue, 18 May 2010 02:20:05 +0000 (UTC), (Don
Klipstein) wrote:


In , Glenda Copeland wrote:

Just bought a dozen Leviton decora single pole 15A 120VAC lighted rocker
switches (model 5611, aka model 105-05611-21S).

Nothing on the box says how much power each of the lighted bulb uses when
the switch is in the off position.

Do you know how much power a lighted switch uses?

I have had a lighted switch at my day job. It had a high intensity neon
lamp, apparently either C2A (NE-2H) or A1C ("mini NE-2H) (hard to tell
through the switch). Figure about 1/4 watt.

- Don Klipstein )


I got my number from the 1 meg ohm resistor your typical neon has in
series with the bulb. Consider an ionized neon as a dead short.

I don't think so. IIRC an ionized neon bulb requires about 60 volts
across it, close to half of a 120 volt line voltage.

And I don't think the "typical" series resistor is 1 meg. 50K to 100K is
more like it.

Jeff

--
Jeffry Wisnia
(W1BSV + Brass Rat '57 EE)
The speed of light is 1.8*10e12 furlongs per fortnight.

Glenda Copeland wrote

Just bought a dozen Leviton decora single pole 15A 120VAC
lighted rocker switches (model 5611, aka model 105-05611-21S).

Nothing on the box says how much power each of the
lighted bulb uses when the switch is in the off position.

Do you know how much power a lighted switch uses?

Not enough to worry about.

Glenda Copeland wrote:
Just bought a dozen Leviton decora single pole 15A 120VAC lighted rocker
switches (model 5611, aka model 105-05611-21S).

Nothing on the box says how much power each of the lighted bulb uses when
the switch is in the off position.

Do you know how much power a lighted switch uses?
Hi,
It is negligible regardless what's in there, neon or LED.
I'prefer LED, neon emits electric noise.

On May 18, 1:01*am, Tony Hwang wrote:
Glenda Copeland wrote:
Just bought a dozen Leviton decora single pole 15A 120VAC lighted rocker
switches (model 5611, aka model 105-05611-21S).

Nothing on the box says how much power each of the lighted bulb uses when
the switch is in the off position.

Do you know how much power a lighted switch uses?

Hi,
It is negligible regardless what's in there, neon or LED.
I'prefer LED, neon emits electric noise.

You are correct. And if I am not mistaken you get more lumen/watt from
led
then neon.

On Tue, 18 May 2010 04:57:45 -0700 (PDT), Jack Hammer wrote:

It is negligible regardless what's in there, neon or LED.
I'prefer LED, neon emits electric noise.

more lumen/watt from led then neon.

It looks like it's costing 25¢/month for the dozen neon-lit switches.

What noise would I be worried about? I have the normal stuff (phones,
computer, router, etc.) Which would the neon affect and how?

BTW, I didn't see ANY LED illuminated switches at ACE or OSH in town!

"Glenda Copeland"
wrote in message
...
On Tue, 18 May 2010 04:57:45 -0700 (PDT), Jack Hammer wrote:

It is negligible regardless what's in there, neon or LED.
I'prefer LED, neon emits electric noise.

more lumen/watt from led then neon.

It looks like it's costing 25¢/month for the dozen neon-lit
switches.

What noise would I be worried about? I have the normal stuff
(phones,
computer, router, etc.) Which would the neon affect and how?

BTW, I didn't see ANY LED illuminated switches at ACE or OSH in
town!

Interesting observation. I know that when a single lead from a
neon light touches a hot wire, the neon light will glow if there
is almost anything touching the other lead. Was used as a voltage
checker long before the IC devices were available. If the neon's
lead was touching a hot wire and the other a ground/neutral, then
the lamp glowed brightly, otherwise, there was a lesser glow.

This leads me to the conclusion that neon lighted switches take
advantage of this ability and do NOT require a lead to ground or
neutral to achieve the low level glow seen in a lighted switch.
Perhaps an LED lighted switch would require a grounded/neutral
other lead to work, together with diode to convert the AC to DC.

--
Nonny
On most days,
it's just not worth
the effort of chewing
through the restraints..

Nonny wrote:

Interesting observation. I know that when a single lead from a neon
light touches a hot wire, the neon light will glow if there is almost
anything touching the other lead. Was used as a voltage checker long
before the IC devices were available. If the neon's lead was touching a
hot wire and the other a ground/neutral, then the lamp glowed brightly,
otherwise, there was a lesser glow.

This leads me to the conclusion that neon lighted switches take
advantage of this ability and do NOT require a lead to ground or neutral
to achieve the low level glow seen in a lighted switch. Perhaps an LED
lighted switch would require a grounded/neutral other lead to work,
together with diode to convert the AC to DC.

If the switch is lighted when off, the neon lamp (and series resistor)
are connected across the switch. The small current through the neon lamp
flows through the load on the switch. For a 3-way switch, the lamp is
connected across the travelers.

For a switch that is lighted (neon) when the switch is on, the switch
probably has a neutral connection. There is a resistor from each side of
the switch to the neon lamp, with the other side the lamp connected to
the neutral.

LEDs could operate essentially the same, probably with an extra diode.

--
bud--

I noticed something funny about the neon light on my Dad's basement
light switch. When I put my finger anywhere even NEAR the tip of the
switch, the neon light appears to *JUMP* away from the end back towards
the base of the switch. I assume there is something of a charge on my
hand, and that is causing the neon gas 'plasma' or whatever you call it
to move away? I never really investigated this, but found it very
interesting.

On May 18, 12:14*pm, Glenda Copeland gscopel...@Use-Author-Supplied-
Address.invalid wrote:
On Tue, 18 May 2010 04:57:45 -0700 (PDT), Jack Hammer wrote:
It is negligible regardless what's in there, neon or LED.
I'prefer LED, neon emits electric noise.

more lumen/watt from led then neon.

It looks like it's costing 25¢/month for the dozen neon-lit switches.

What noise would I be worried about? I have the normal stuff (phones,
computer, router, etc.) Which would the neon affect and how?

AM radio, close to the lamp tuned to a very weak station, maybe.

BTW, I didn't see ANY LED illuminated switches at ACE or OSH in town!

On May 18, 2:53�am, Glenda Copeland gscopel...@Use-Author-Supplied-
Address.invalid wrote:
Just bought a dozen Leviton decora single pole 15A 120VAC lighted rocker
switches (model 5611, aka model 105-05611-21S).

Nothing on the box says how much power each of the lighted bulb uses when
the switch is in the off position.

Do you know how much power a lighted switch uses?

Virtually nothing.

On May 17, 8:53*pm, Glenda Copeland gscopel...@Use-Author-Supplied-
Address.invalid wrote:
Just bought a dozen Leviton decora single pole 15A 120VAC lighted rocker
switches (model 5611, aka model 105-05611-21S).

Nothing on the box says how much power each of the lighted bulb uses when
the switch is in the off position.

Do you know how much power a lighted switch uses?

It's likely either an NE2 or an NE2H, which a quick web search shows
are rated for .03W and .09W, respectively. The right answer is
"fagetabooutit".

The energy used reading and responding to this post now equals more
than the lifetime energy used by this switches lamp............

In ,
wrote:

The energy used reading and responding to this post now equals more
than the lifetime energy used by this switches lamp............

In the unlikekly event an NE-2H lamp conks out and stops conducting
after 25,000 hours at its design current of 1.9 milliamps, this amounts to
5.7 KWH for the NE-2H and its dropping resistor in 120V use. That is
equal to 1 horsepower for about 7.5 hours - I would call that at least
an order of magnitude more than reading and responding to this whole
thread so far.

The electricity consumed by the neon lamp and its dropping resistor over
the life of the neon lamp may cost under a dollar, may cost a couple to a
few dollars, depending on your electricity rates, actual life of the neon
lamp, and inflation of electricity cost. (Is that how much more you are
willing to pay on top of up-front cost for having a light in the switch?
As long as you are aware and willing to pay it...)

--
- Don Klipstein )

On Tue, 18 May 2010 06:17:06 -0700 (PDT), keith wrote:

It's likely either an NE2 or an NE2H, which a quick web search shows
are rated for .03W and .09W, respectively. The right answer is
"fagetabooutit".

Using 0.1W, and averaging my electric rates (35¢/KW) for a dozen switches I
get about 25¢/month or $3.00/year.

On May 18, 3:16*pm, Glenda Copeland gscopel...@Use-Author-Supplied-
Address.invalid wrote:
On Tue, 18 May 2010 06:17:06 -0700 (PDT), keith wrote:
It's likely either an NE2 or an NE2H, which a quick web search shows
are rated for .03W and .09W, respectively. *The right answer is
"fagetabooutit".

Using 0.1W, and averaging my electric rates (35¢/KW) for a dozen switches I
get about 25¢/month or $3.00/year.

Ok on all those numbers but the spec I found showed each neon
indicator using about 0.04 watts per hour.

Based on 0.3 milliamps at 115 volts. Thus wattage = current times
voltage or (0.3 x 115)/1000 = 0.0345 watts per hour.

Per month that would be 24 x30 x 0.0345 = 24.84 watt/hours.

And at ten cents per 1000 watt hours (i.e. per kilowatt/hour) that'd
cost 24.84/1000 x $0.1 = approx 0.25 cents
At 35 cents per kilowatt hour it would be 0.75 cents, per month.
And for a dozen switches 0.75 x 12 = about 3 cents or of the order of
36 cents per year.
Since we are all presuming, it seems, that the indicator light inside
the switches will be off whenever whatever the switch controls is 'on'
the indicators will cost even less than that. In other words if one is
using electric lights, negligible!

On May 19, 12:36*am, terry wrote:
On May 18, 3:16*pm, Glenda Copeland gscopel...@Use-Author-Supplied-

Address.invalid wrote:
On Tue, 18 May 2010 06:17:06 -0700 (PDT), keith wrote:
It's likely either an NE2 or an NE2H, which a quick web search shows
are rated for .03W and .09W, respectively. *The right answer is
"fagetabooutit".

Using 0.1W, and averaging my electric rates (35¢/KW) for a dozen switches I
get about 25¢/month or $3.00/year.

Ok on all those numbers but the spec I found showed each neon
indicator using about 0.04 watts per hour.

Just a nitpick, but .04 watts per hour is meaningless. It's .04 watt-
hours per hour, or just .04 watts. One watt for one hour is defined
to be one watt-hour.

Based on 0.3 milliamps at 115 volts. Thus wattage = current times
voltage or (0.3 x 115)/1000 = 0.0345 watts per hour.

No, it's .04 watts (if that's the number). You can't do some
arithmetic, throwing away precision, and then come back to the same
units with a different number. In this case you lost energy. At
least you could have made a perpetual motion machine. ;-)

Per month that would be 24 x30 x 0.0345 = 24.84 watt/hours.

And at ten cents per 1000 watt hours (i.e. per kilowatt/hour) that'd
cost 24.84/1000 x $0.1 = approx 0.25 cents
At 35 cents per kilowatt hour it would be 0.75 cents, per month.
And for a dozen switches 0.75 x 12 = about 3 cents or of the order of
36 cents per year.
Since we are all presuming, it seems, that the indicator light inside
the switches will be off whenever whatever the switch controls is 'on'
the indicators will cost even less than that. In other words if one is
using electric lights, negligible!

If one is using other appliances, such as refrigerators, water
heaters, or clothes dryers, the lights themselves are (usually)
negligible (if not, the whole bill is ;-).

In ,
terry wrote:

On May 18, 3:16*pm, Glenda Copeland gscopel...@Use-Author-Supplied-
Address.invalid wrote:
On Tue, 18 May 2010 06:17:06 -0700 (PDT), keith wrote:
It's likely either an NE2 or an NE2H, which a quick web search shows
are rated for .03W and .09W, respectively. *The right answer is
"fagetabooutit".

Using 0.1W, and averaging my electric rates (35¢/KW) for a dozen switches I
get about 25¢/month or $3.00/year.

Ok on all those numbers but the spec I found showed each neon
indicator using about 0.04 watts per hour.

Make that .04 watts, or .04 watt-hours per hour.

Based on 0.3 milliamps at 115 volts. Thus wattage = current times
voltage or (0.3 x 115)/1000 = 0.0345 watts per hour.

I have a lot of experience with a lighted switch at my "day job", and
it is obvious to me that the neon lamp there is a "high intensity" type,
probably C2A (NE-2H) or A1C ("mini NE2H").

http://www.cml-it.com/pdf/5-4.pdf says design current for NE-2H is 1.9
milliamps. Multiply by 120V, that means .228 watt. Since neon lamps
don't conduct at less than 50-60V, I seem to think that average voltage
used to push electrons through from 120 VAC is closer to 130V. That would
mean closer to .25 watt.

Per month that would be 24 x30 x 0.0345 = 24.84 watt/hours.

And at ten cents per 1000 watt hours (i.e. per kilowatt/hour) that'd
cost 24.84/1000 x $0.1 = approx 0.25 cents
At 35 cents per kilowatt hour it would be 0.75 cents, per month.
And for a dozen switches 0.75 x 12 = about 3 cents or of the order of
36 cents per year.
Since we are all presuming, it seems, that the indicator light inside
the switches will be off whenever whatever the switch controls is 'on'
the indicators will cost even less than that. In other words if one is
using electric lights, negligible!

35 cents per KWH does sound to me high. I thought Philadelphia was bad
at around 14-15 cents per KWH. Chicago and NYC are close to Philadelphia
in electricity cost as of last time I checked.

Meanwhile, I would balance lighted switches against another slice or two
of pizza per year or a few more newspapers per year.

--
- Don Klipstein )

In ,
keith wrote:

On May 17, 8:53*pm, Glenda Copeland gscopel...@Use-Author-Supplied-
Address.invalid wrote:
Just bought a dozen Leviton decora single pole 15A 120VAC lighted rocker
switches (model 5611, aka model 105-05611-21S).

Nothing on the box says how much power each of the lighted bulb uses when
the switch is in the off position.

Do you know how much power a lighted switch uses?

It's likely either an NE2 or an NE2H, which a quick web search shows
are rated for .03W and .09W, respectively. The right answer is
"fagetabooutit".

Some sort of spec sheet for several neon lamps, including NE-2H, by CML
Technologies (formerly Chicago Miniature Lamps):

http://www.cml-it.com/pdf/5-4.pdf

Design current of NE-2H is 1.9 milliamps. Multiply that by 120V and
the result is .23 watt.

In Philadelphia and nearby suburbs in Pennsylvania, that currently
amounts to 28-29 or so cents per year, likely to go up at least 10% in
January 2011, assuming 24 hour per day operation. (USA national average
would be more like 22 cents now.)

This does sound small. However, I would rather consider how much that
adds up to over the life of the neon lamp, knock it down slightly due to
paying-later while investments likely have rate-of-return exceeding
inflation in electricity cost, and consider it to be part of the switch.
Would you still buy the switch at that rate?

--
- Don Klipstein )

On Tue, 18 May 2010 01:53:25 +0000 (UTC), Glenda Copeland wrote:

Just bought a dozen Leviton decora single pole 15A 120VAC lighted rocker
switches (model 5611, aka model 105-05611-21S).
Do you know how much power a lighted switch uses?

You guys have cheap electricity!

I just pulled out my California PG&E bill to check the numbers (I can't
believe you guys pay only a dime per Kwh!!!!!. Lucky you!)

My baseline is 365.4Kwh at 12¢/Kwh
Then for 101% to 130% of baseline, it's 14¢/Kwh.
For 131% to 200%, it's 29¢/Kwh.
And, for the last few weeks of the month, at 201% to 300% of baseline, it's
43¢/month.

I averaged this to about 35¢/Kwh because I didn't know how to do the math
otherwise (I used over 150 Kwh at the 131% to 200% rate and 256 Kwh at the
29¢ rate).

..1W/bulb x 12switches x 20hours/day x 365days/year x 35¢/Kwh x 1Kwh/1000KW
= $3.00/year

It would be nice to see what others pay for 201% to 300% over baseline 'cuz
if it's 10¢, you have the deal of the century!

On May 18, 6:37�pm, Glenda Copeland gscopel...@Use-Author-Supplied-
Address.invalid wrote:
On Tue, 18 May 2010 01:53:25 +0000 (UTC), Glenda Copeland wrote:
Just bought a dozen Leviton decora single pole 15A 120VAC lighted rocker
switches (model 5611, aka model 105-05611-21S).
Do you know how much power a lighted switch uses?

You guys have cheap electricity!

I just pulled out my California PG&E bill to check the numbers (I can't
believe you guys pay only a dime per Kwh!!!!!. Lucky you!)

My baseline is 365.4Kwh at 12�/Kwh
Then for 101% to 130% of baseline, it's 14�/Kwh.
For 131% to 200%, it's 29�/Kwh.
And, for the last few weeks of the month, at 201% to 300% of baseline, it's
43�/month.

I averaged this to about 35�/Kwh because I didn't know how to do the math
otherwise (I used over 150 Kwh at the 131% to 200% rate and 256 Kwh at the
29� rate).

.1W/bulb x 12switches x 20hours/day x 365days/year x 35�/Kwh x 1Kwh/1000KW
= $3.00/year

It would be nice to see what others pay for 201% to 300% over baseline 'cuz
if it's 10�, you have the deal of the century!

Well in the UK we pay around $0.25/Kwh. Plus a fixed "meter rental".
Massive rises forecast for the near future. To pay for our
replacement nuclear power stations.
The upside is our electrical appliances are more efficient.v They
need to be.

My electricity bill is about $100/month on average. However I have no
gas/oil bill my house is zero heat needed.

Glenda Copeland wrote:
On Tue, 18 May 2010 01:53:25 +0000 (UTC), Glenda Copeland wrote:

Just bought a dozen Leviton decora single pole 15A 120VAC lighted
rocker switches (model 5611, aka model 105-05611-21S).
Do you know how much power a lighted switch uses?

You guys have cheap electricity!

I just pulled out my California PG&E bill to check the numbers (I
can't believe you guys pay only a dime per Kwh!!!!!. Lucky you!)

My baseline is 365.4Kwh at 12¢/Kwh
Then for 101% to 130% of baseline, it's 14¢/Kwh.
For 131% to 200%, it's 29¢/Kwh.
And, for the last few weeks of the month, at 201% to 300% of
baseline, it's 43¢/month.

I averaged this to about 35¢/Kwh because I didn't know how to do the
math otherwise (I used over 150 Kwh at the 131% to 200% rate and 256
Kwh at the 29¢ rate).

.1W/bulb x 12switches x 20hours/day x 365days/year x 35¢/Kwh x
1Kwh/1000KW = $3.00/year

It would be nice to see what others pay for 201% to 300% over
baseline 'cuz if it's 10¢, you have the deal of the century!

in our area, the rate during the day is 2x the rate for nighttime or
weekends, so we try to schedule our heavy usage for off peak. nighttime
rates are in the .07kwh range.

i run a couple of kilns, at about 8kh each, which can run for 2-3 days
straight, so i couldn't afford to live in ca.

however, i just installed a 7.5kw pv cell array, so my day costs are 0.

On May 18, 12:37*pm, Glenda Copeland gscopel...@Use-Author-Supplied-
Address.invalid wrote:
On Tue, 18 May 2010 01:53:25 +0000 (UTC), Glenda Copeland wrote:
Just bought a dozen Leviton decora single pole 15A 120VAC lighted rocker
switches (model 5611, aka model 105-05611-21S).
Do you know how much power a lighted switch uses?

You guys have cheap electricity!

I just pulled out my California PG&E bill to check the numbers (I can't
believe you guys pay only a dime per Kwh!!!!!. Lucky you!)

My baseline is 365.4Kwh at 12¢/Kwh
Then for 101% to 130% of baseline, it's 14¢/Kwh.
For 131% to 200%, it's 29¢/Kwh.
And, for the last few weeks of the month, at 201% to 300% of baseline, it's
43¢/month.

I averaged this to about 35¢/Kwh because I didn't know how to do the math
otherwise (I used over 150 Kwh at the 131% to 200% rate and 256 Kwh at the
29¢ rate).

.1W/bulb x 12switches x 20hours/day x 365days/year x 35¢/Kwh x 1Kwh/1000KW
= $3.00/year

It would be nice to see what others pay for 201% to 300% over baseline 'cuz
if it's 10¢, you have the deal of the century!

$.10, top to bottom, Winter and Summer (heat pump).

Glenda Copeland wrote:
On Tue, 18 May 2010 01:53:25 +0000 (UTC), Glenda Copeland wrote:

Just bought a dozen Leviton decora single pole 15A 120VAC lighted
rocker switches (model 5611, aka model 105-05611-21S).
Do you know how much power a lighted switch uses?

You guys have cheap electricity!

I just pulled out my California PG&E bill to check the numbers (I
can't believe you guys pay only a dime per Kwh!!!!!. Lucky you!)

My baseline is 365.4Kwh at 12¢/Kwh
Then for 101% to 130% of baseline, it's 14¢/Kwh.
For 131% to 200%, it's 29¢/Kwh.
And, for the last few weeks of the month, at 201% to 300% of
baseline, it's 43¢/month.

I averaged this to about 35¢/Kwh because I didn't know how to do the
math otherwise (I used over 150 Kwh at the 131% to 200% rate and 256
Kwh at the 29¢ rate).

.1W/bulb x 12switches x 20hours/day x 365days/year x 35¢/Kwh x
1Kwh/1000KW = $3.00/year

It would be nice to see what others pay for 201% to 300% over
baseline 'cuz if it's 10¢, you have the deal of the century!

It's gonna get more expensive soon. Arizona provides about 30% of
California's power, and Arizona is ****ed.

In article ,
"HeyBub" wrote:



It's gonna get more expensive soon. Arizona provides about 30% of
California's power, and Arizona is ****ed.

If they won't give us power, we'll send them our illegal aliens.

On May 18, 9:17*pm, Smitty Two wrote:
In article ,

*"HeyBub" wrote:

It's gonna get more expensive soon. Arizona provides about 30% of
California's power, and Arizona is ****ed.

If they won't give us power, we'll send them our illegal aliens.

Actually, Arizona is well on the way to sending you their illegals.

On 5/19/2010 5:58 AM keith spake thus:

On May 18, 9:17 pm, Smitty Two wrote:

In article ,

"HeyBub" wrote:

It's gonna get more expensive soon. Arizona provides about 30% of
California's power, and Arizona is ****ed.

If they won't give us power, we'll send them our illegal aliens.

Actually, Arizona is well on the way to sending you their illegals.

Fine. We'll happily accept them here.


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with the flaunting of well-defined muscle, wrapped in flags.

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In ,
Smitty Two wrote:
In article ,
"HeyBub" wrote:

It's gonna get more expensive soon. Arizona provides about 30% of
California's power, and Arizona is ****ed.

If they won't give us power, we'll send them our illegal aliens.

I seem to think that if such a "p!$$ing contest" develops along with
ability to ship out illegal aliens, I would think that Arizona would send
them back to California, Freight Collect. Maybe along with some of their
own - especially if expelling illegal aliens from a state is legally
easier of not forcing them to cross or dragging them across an
international border.

If California gains competence and allowance at state level of
government expelling illegal aliens, it appears to me that CA would do
better to send them back outside USA as a whole. If not, I seem to think
that CA is not in really good shape to tick off AZ.

--
- Don Klipstein )

In article ,
(Don Klipstein) wrote:

In ,
Smitty Two wrote:
In article ,
"HeyBub" wrote:

It's gonna get more expensive soon. Arizona provides about 30% of
California's power, and Arizona is ****ed.

If they won't give us power, we'll send them our illegal aliens.

I seem to think that if such a "p!$$ing contest" develops along with
ability to ship out illegal aliens, I would think that Arizona would send
them back to California, Freight Collect. Maybe along with some of their
own - especially if expelling illegal aliens from a state is legally
easier of not forcing them to cross or dragging them across an
international border.

If California gains competence and allowance at state level of
government expelling illegal aliens, it appears to me that CA would do
better to send them back outside USA as a whole. If not, I seem to think
that CA is not in really good shape to tick off AZ.

Some billionaire woman is buying herself the governorship of CA, and she
doesn't like illegal aliens anymore than AZ does.