I am trying to figure out how to (or if I can) wire a ceiling fan and light
so that the fan and light are controlled separately -- and both are
controlled from two different sets of switches at two different locations.
The room has two doorways and I would like to be able to control the ceiling
fan and light individually from a set of switches located near each of the
doorways. This would be similar to having a ceiling light controlled by
two 3-way switches, with one at each doorway, except that in this case I
would like the switch sets to be able to control the ceiling fan and ceiling
fan light separately from either doorway.

Here is the existing wiring configuration:

The power/feed goes to the first switch setup at doorway "1" with 12/2 wire;
then 12/3 wire goes from there to the switch setup at doorway "2"; then 12/3
wire goes from there up to a ceiling light. In other words, the room is
presently wired as a typical 3-way switch setup to a ceiling light, but the
wiring going up to the existing ceiling light was prewired with 12/3 wire
instead of 12/2 in case we ever wanted to replace the ceiling light with a
ceiling fan/light. The ceiling box for the existing light was already
installed using a ceiling fan box in case the light was ever changed to a
ceiling fan/light fixture.

So, what I would like to do now is change the existing ceiling light to a
ceiling fan/light, and change the switch setup at each doorway to be able to
control the ceiling fan and ceiling individually from either doorway.

Is there a way to do this using the existing wiring that is now in place
(without using any wireless/remote devices)? If so, how would I wire that?

In article , "Jay-T" wrote:
I am trying to figure out how to (or if I can) wire a ceiling fan and light
so that the fan and light are controlled separately -- and both are
controlled from two different sets of switches at two different locations.
The room has two doorways and I would like to be able to control the ceiling
fan and light individually from a set of switches located near each of the
doorways. This would be similar to having a ceiling light controlled by
two 3-way switches, with one at each doorway, except that in this case I
would like the switch sets to be able to control the ceiling fan and ceiling
fan light separately from either doorway.

Here is the existing wiring configuration:

The power/feed goes to the first switch setup at doorway "1" with 12/2 wire;
then 12/3 wire goes from there to the switch setup at doorway "2"; then 12/3
wire goes from there up to a ceiling light. In other words, the room is
presently wired as a typical 3-way switch setup to a ceiling light, but the
wiring going up to the existing ceiling light was prewired with 12/3 wire
instead of 12/2 in case we ever wanted to replace the ceiling light with a
ceiling fan/light. The ceiling box for the existing light was already
installed using a ceiling fan box in case the light was ever changed to a
ceiling fan/light fixture.

So, what I would like to do now is change the existing ceiling light to a
ceiling fan/light, and change the switch setup at each doorway to be able to
control the ceiling fan and ceiling individually from either doorway.

Is there a way to do this using the existing wiring that is now in place
(without using any wireless/remote devices)?

No.

You don't have enough conductors in the existing wiring. You need 5 conductors
going from doorway 1 to doorway 2 (two travelers for each 3-way switch, plus
neutral). The 12/3 from doorway 2 to the ceiling box is sufficient (one hot
from each 3-way switch, plus neutral).

Further, it's likely that the existing switch boxes are not large enough to
accomodate the additional two conductors.

"Jay-T" wrote in message
...
I am trying to figure out how to (or if I can) wire a ceiling fan and light
so that the fan and light are controlled separately -- and both are
controlled from two different sets of switches at two different locations.
The room has two doorways and I would like to be able to control the
ceiling fan and light individually from a set of switches located near each
of the doorways. This would be similar to having a ceiling light
controlled by two 3-way switches, with one at each doorway, except that in
this case I would like the switch sets to be able to control the ceiling
fan and ceiling fan light separately from either doorway.

Here is the existing wiring configuration:

The power/feed goes to the first switch setup at doorway "1" with 12/2
wire; then 12/3 wire goes from there to the switch setup at doorway "2";
then 12/3 wire goes from there up to a ceiling light. In other words, the
room is presently wired as a typical 3-way switch setup to a ceiling
light, but the wiring going up to the existing ceiling light was prewired
with 12/3 wire instead of 12/2 in case we ever wanted to replace the
ceiling light with a ceiling fan/light. The ceiling box for the existing
light was already installed using a ceiling fan box in case the light was
ever changed to a ceiling fan/light fixture.

So, what I would like to do now is change the existing ceiling light to a
ceiling fan/light, and change the switch setup at each doorway to be able
to control the ceiling fan and ceiling individually from either doorway.

Is there a way to do this using the existing wiring that is now in place
(without using any wireless/remote devices)? If so, how would I wire
that?

Not hard wired without pulling another 3 wire cable between the switch
locations, but Casablanca makes Intellitouch 3 way controls for their fans,
which would control both fan speed and light dimming from both locations

On Tue, 09 Feb 2010 03:00:53 GMT, (Doug Miller)
wrote:

In article , "Jay-T" wrote:
I am trying to figure out how to (or if I can) wire a ceiling fan and light
so that the fan and light are controlled separately -- and both are
controlled from two different sets of switches at two different locations.
The room has two doorways and I would like to be able to control the ceiling
fan and light individually from a set of switches located near each of the
doorways. This would be similar to having a ceiling light controlled by
two 3-way switches, with one at each doorway, except that in this case I
would like the switch sets to be able to control the ceiling fan and ceiling
fan light separately from either doorway.

Here is the existing wiring configuration:

The power/feed goes to the first switch setup at doorway "1" with 12/2 wire;
then 12/3 wire goes from there to the switch setup at doorway "2"; then 12/3
wire goes from there up to a ceiling light. In other words, the room is
presently wired as a typical 3-way switch setup to a ceiling light, but the
wiring going up to the existing ceiling light was prewired with 12/3 wire
instead of 12/2 in case we ever wanted to replace the ceiling light with a
ceiling fan/light. The ceiling box for the existing light was already
installed using a ceiling fan box in case the light was ever changed to a
ceiling fan/light fixture.

So, what I would like to do now is change the existing ceiling light to a
ceiling fan/light, and change the switch setup at each doorway to be able to
control the ceiling fan and ceiling individually from either doorway.

Is there a way to do this using the existing wiring that is now in place
(without using any wireless/remote devices)?

No.

You don't have enough conductors in the existing wiring. You need 5 conductors
going from doorway 1 to doorway 2 (two travelers for each 3-way switch, plus
neutral). The 12/3 from doorway 2 to the ceiling box is sufficient (one hot
from each 3-way switch, plus neutral).

Further, it's likely that the existing switch boxes are not large enough to
accomodate the additional two conductors.

Make sure the box is supported for a ceiling fan.

Most people get used to just using the pull chain for the fan. It is
a very large honey dew weekend otherwise.

"RBM" wrote in message
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"Jay-T" wrote in message
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I am trying to figure out how to (or if I can) wire a ceiling fan and
light so that the fan and light are controlled separately -- and both are
controlled from two different sets of switches at two different locations.
The room has two doorways and I would like to be able to control the
ceiling fan and light individually from a set of switches located near
each of the doorways. This would be similar to having a ceiling light
controlled by two 3-way switches, with one at each doorway, except that in
this case I would like the switch sets to be able to control the ceiling
fan and ceiling fan light separately from either doorway.

Here is the existing wiring configuration:

The power/feed goes to the first switch setup at doorway "1" with 12/2
wire; then 12/3 wire goes from there to the switch setup at doorway "2";
then 12/3 wire goes from there up to a ceiling light. In other words,
the room is presently wired as a typical 3-way switch setup to a ceiling
light, but the wiring going up to the existing ceiling light was prewired
with 12/3 wire instead of 12/2 in case we ever wanted to replace the
ceiling light with a ceiling fan/light. The ceiling box for the existing
light was already installed using a ceiling fan box in case the light was
ever changed to a ceiling fan/light fixture.

So, what I would like to do now is change the existing ceiling light to a
ceiling fan/light, and change the switch setup at each doorway to be able
to control the ceiling fan and ceiling individually from either doorway.

Is there a way to do this using the existing wiring that is now in place
(without using any wireless/remote devices)? If so, how would I wire
that?

Not hard wired without pulling another 3 wire cable between the switch
locations, but Casablanca makes Intellitouch 3 way controls for their
fans, which would control both fan speed and light dimming from both
locations

Thanks. I actually could pull another 3 wire cable between the switch
locations without too much trouble. Both are above an open ceiling basement
and are easily accessible from below.

So, in terms of wiring, would I then be thinking of the setup as being
similar to having two 3-way switches for the fan (one at each doorway) and
two 3-way switches for the light (also one at each doorway)?

"Doug Miller" wrote in message
...
In article , "Jay-T"
wrote:
I am trying to figure out how to (or if I can) wire a ceiling fan and
light
so that the fan and light are controlled separately -- and both are
controlled from two different sets of switches at two different locations.
The room has two doorways and I would like to be able to control the
ceiling
fan and light individually from a set of switches located near each of the
doorways. This would be similar to having a ceiling light controlled by
two 3-way switches, with one at each doorway, except that in this case I
would like the switch sets to be able to control the ceiling fan and
ceiling
fan light separately from either doorway.

Here is the existing wiring configuration:

The power/feed goes to the first switch setup at doorway "1" with 12/2
wire;
then 12/3 wire goes from there to the switch setup at doorway "2"; then
12/3
wire goes from there up to a ceiling light. In other words, the room is
presently wired as a typical 3-way switch setup to a ceiling light, but
the
wiring going up to the existing ceiling light was prewired with 12/3 wire
instead of 12/2 in case we ever wanted to replace the ceiling light with a
ceiling fan/light. The ceiling box for the existing light was already
installed using a ceiling fan box in case the light was ever changed to a
ceiling fan/light fixture.

So, what I would like to do now is change the existing ceiling light to a
ceiling fan/light, and change the switch setup at each doorway to be able
to
control the ceiling fan and ceiling individually from either doorway.

Is there a way to do this using the existing wiring that is now in place
(without using any wireless/remote devices)?

No.

You don't have enough conductors in the existing wiring. You need 5
conductors
going from doorway 1 to doorway 2 (two travelers for each 3-way switch,
plus
neutral). The 12/3 from doorway 2 to the ceiling box is sufficient (one
hot
from each 3-way switch, plus neutral).

Further, it's likely that the existing switch boxes are not large enough
to
accomodate the additional two conductors.

Thanks. If I did go ahead with that approach, what are now single switch
boxes at each doorway would become double switch boxes at each location.
So, that would solve the problem of the switch boxes not being large enough
to accommodate the additional conductors.

"Jay-T" wrote in message
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"RBM" wrote in message
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"Jay-T" wrote in message
...
I am trying to figure out how to (or if I can) wire a ceiling fan and
light so that the fan and light are controlled separately -- and both are
controlled from two different sets of switches at two different
locations. The room has two doorways and I would like to be able to
control the ceiling fan and light individually from a set of switches
located near each of the doorways. This would be similar to having a
ceiling light controlled by two 3-way switches, with one at each doorway,
except that in this case I would like the switch sets to be able to
control the ceiling fan and ceiling fan light separately from either
doorway.

Here is the existing wiring configuration:

The power/feed goes to the first switch setup at doorway "1" with 12/2
wire; then 12/3 wire goes from there to the switch setup at doorway "2";
then 12/3 wire goes from there up to a ceiling light. In other words,
the room is presently wired as a typical 3-way switch setup to a ceiling
light, but the wiring going up to the existing ceiling light was
prewired with 12/3 wire instead of 12/2 in case we ever wanted to
replace the ceiling light with a ceiling fan/light. The ceiling box for
the existing light was already installed using a ceiling fan box in case
the light was ever changed to a ceiling fan/light fixture.

So, what I would like to do now is change the existing ceiling light to
a ceiling fan/light, and change the switch setup at each doorway to be
able to control the ceiling fan and ceiling individually from either
doorway.

Is there a way to do this using the existing wiring that is now in place
(without using any wireless/remote devices)? If so, how would I wire
that?

Not hard wired without pulling another 3 wire cable between the switch
locations, but Casablanca makes Intellitouch 3 way controls for their
fans, which would control both fan speed and light dimming from both
locations

Thanks. I actually could pull another 3 wire cable between the switch
locations without too much trouble. Both are above an open ceiling
basement and are easily accessible from below.

So, in terms of wiring, would I then be thinking of the setup as being
similar to having two 3-way switches for the fan (one at each doorway) and
two 3-way switches for the light (also one at each doorway)?
Yes, although I don't believe I've ever seen a 3way fan speed control

"RBM" wrote in message
...

"Jay-T" wrote in message
...
"RBM" wrote in message
...

"Jay-T" wrote in message
...
I am trying to figure out how to (or if I can) wire a ceiling fan and
light so that the fan and light are controlled separately -- and both
are controlled from two different sets of switches at two different
locations. The room has two doorways and I would like to be able to
control the ceiling fan and light individually from a set of switches
located near each of the doorways. This would be similar to having a
ceiling light controlled by two 3-way switches, with one at each
doorway, except that in this case I would like the switch sets to be
able to control the ceiling fan and ceiling fan light separately from
either doorway.

Here is the existing wiring configuration:

The power/feed goes to the first switch setup at doorway "1" with 12/2
wire; then 12/3 wire goes from there to the switch setup at doorway
"2"; then 12/3 wire goes from there up to a ceiling light. In other
words, the room is presently wired as a typical 3-way switch setup to a
ceiling light, but the wiring going up to the existing ceiling light
was prewired with 12/3 wire instead of 12/2 in case we ever wanted to
replace the ceiling light with a ceiling fan/light. The ceiling box
for the existing light was already installed using a ceiling fan box in
case the light was ever changed to a ceiling fan/light fixture.

So, what I would like to do now is change the existing ceiling light to
a ceiling fan/light, and change the switch setup at each doorway to be
able to control the ceiling fan and ceiling individually from either
doorway.

Is there a way to do this using the existing wiring that is now in
place (without using any wireless/remote devices)? If so, how would I
wire that?

Not hard wired without pulling another 3 wire cable between the switch
locations, but Casablanca makes Intellitouch 3 way controls for their
fans, which would control both fan speed and light dimming from both
locations

Thanks. I actually could pull another 3 wire cable between the switch
locations without too much trouble. Both are above an open ceiling
basement and are easily accessible from below.

So, in terms of wiring, would I then be thinking of the setup as being
similar to having two 3-way switches for the fan (one at each doorway)
and two 3-way switches for the light (also one at each doorway)?
Yes, although I don't believe I've ever seen a 3way fan speed control
Just checked, they do apparently make them

On Feb 8, 10:00*pm, (Doug Miller) wrote:
In article , "Jay-T" wrote:
I am trying to figure out how to (or if I can) wire a ceiling fan and light
so that the fan and light are controlled separately -- and both are
controlled from two different sets of switches at two different locations.
The room has two doorways and I would like to be able to control the ceiling
fan and light individually from a set of switches located near each of the
doorways. *This *would be similar to having a ceiling light controlled by
two 3-way switches, with one at each doorway, except that in this case I
would like the switch sets to be able to control the ceiling fan and ceiling
fan light separately from either doorway.

Here is the existing wiring configuration:

The power/feed goes to the first switch setup at doorway "1" with 12/2 wire;
then 12/3 wire goes from there to the switch setup at doorway "2"; then 12/3
wire goes from there up to a ceiling light. *In other words, the room is
presently wired as a typical 3-way switch setup to a ceiling light, but the
wiring going up to the existing ceiling light was prewired with 12/3 wire
instead of 12/2 in case we ever wanted to replace the ceiling light with a
ceiling fan/light. *The ceiling box for the existing light was already
installed using a ceiling fan box in case the light was ever changed to a
ceiling fan/light fixture.

So, what I would like to do now is change the existing ceiling light to a
ceiling fan/light, and change the switch setup at each doorway to be able to
control the ceiling fan and ceiling individually from either doorway.

Is there a way to do this using the existing wiring that is now in place
(without using any wireless/remote devices)? *

No.

You don't have enough conductors in the existing wiring. You need 5 conductors
going from doorway 1 to doorway 2 (two travelers for each 3-way switch, plus
neutral). The 12/3 from doorway 2 to the ceiling box is sufficient (one hot
from each 3-way switch, plus neutral).

Further, it's likely that the existing switch boxes are not large enough to
accomodate the additional two conductors.

ASSuming that he rewires it so he has switch leg wiring, why would he
need a neutral between the two doorways? e.g. repull the feed so that
it goes to the ceiling box instead of doorway 1, then leave the 12/3
to doorway 1, then you'd need 12/4 to doorway 2 for 3-ways for both
fan and light. 12/3 from doorway 1 to doorway 2 to have control of
lights at both doorways and control of fan only at doorway 1.

I'm not sure that I would bother with a 3-way fan control however. I
think a 3-way for the light is a good idea but once you have the light
on, you could walk over to the other door to turn on/off the fan.

nate

Jay-T wrote:
I am trying to figure out how to (or if I can) wire a ceiling fan and
light so that the fan and light are controlled separately -- and both
are controlled from two different sets of switches at two different
locations. The room has two doorways and I would like to be able to
control the ceiling fan and light individually from a set of switches
located near each of the doorways. This would be similar to having
a ceiling light controlled by two 3-way switches, with one at each
doorway, except that in this case I would like the switch sets to be
able to control the ceiling fan and ceiling fan light separately from
either doorway.
Here is the existing wiring configuration:

The power/feed goes to the first switch setup at doorway "1" with
12/2 wire; then 12/3 wire goes from there to the switch setup at
doorway "2"; then 12/3 wire goes from there up to a ceiling light. In
other words, the room is presently wired as a typical 3-way switch
setup to a ceiling light, but the wiring going up to the existing
ceiling light was prewired with 12/3 wire instead of 12/2 in case we
ever wanted to replace the ceiling light with a ceiling fan/light. The
ceiling box for the existing light was already installed using a
ceiling fan box in case the light was ever changed to a ceiling
fan/light fixture.
So, what I would like to do now is change the existing ceiling light
to a ceiling fan/light, and change the switch setup at each doorway
to be able to control the ceiling fan and ceiling individually from
either doorway.
Is there a way to do this using the existing wiring that is now in
place (without using any wireless/remote devices)? If so, how would
I wire that?

Screw it. Get a remote control fan/light with multiple remotes.

N8N wrote:
On Feb 8, 10:00 pm, (Doug Miller) wrote:
In article , "Jay-T"
wrote:
I am trying to figure out how to (or if I can) wire a ceiling fan
and light so that the fan and light are controlled separately --
and both are controlled from two different sets of switches at two
different locations. The room has two doorways and I would like to
be able to control the ceiling fan and light individually from a
set of switches located near each of the doorways. This would be
similar to having a ceiling light controlled by
two 3-way switches, with one at each doorway, except that in this
case I would like the switch sets to be able to control the ceiling
fan and ceiling fan light separately from either doorway.

Here is the existing wiring configuration:

The power/feed goes to the first switch setup at doorway "1" with
12/2 wire; then 12/3 wire goes from there to the switch setup at
doorway "2"; then 12/3 wire goes from there up to a ceiling light.
In other words, the room is presently wired as a typical 3-way
switch setup to a ceiling light, but the wiring going up to the
existing ceiling light was prewired with 12/3 wire instead of 12/2
in case we ever wanted to replace the ceiling light with a ceiling
fan/light. The ceiling box for the existing light was already
installed using a ceiling fan box in case the light was ever
changed to a ceiling fan/light fixture.

So, what I would like to do now is change the existing ceiling
light to a ceiling fan/light, and change the switch setup at each
doorway to be able to control the ceiling fan and ceiling
individually from either doorway.

Is there a way to do this using the existing wiring that is now in
place (without using any wireless/remote devices)?

No.

You don't have enough conductors in the existing wiring. You need 5
conductors
going from doorway 1 to doorway 2 (two travelers for each 3-way
switch, plus
neutral). The 12/3 from doorway 2 to the ceiling box is sufficient
(one hot
from each 3-way switch, plus neutral).

Further, it's likely that the existing switch boxes are not large
enough to
accomodate the additional two conductors.

ASSuming that he rewires it so he has switch leg wiring, why would he
need a neutral between the two doorways? e.g. repull the feed so that
it goes to the ceiling box instead of doorway 1, then leave the 12/3
to doorway 1, then you'd need 12/4 to doorway 2 for 3-ways for both
fan and light. 12/3 from doorway 1 to doorway 2 to have control of
lights at both doorways and control of fan only at doorway 1.

I'm not sure that I would bother with a 3-way fan control however. I
think a 3-way for the light is a good idea but once you have the light
on, you could walk over to the other door to turn on/off the fan.

nate

Thanks. It would not be too hard for me to pull a new cable from doorway 1
to doorway 2 if I decided to do that. That's because the room is over an
open ceiling basement. But , running nay new wires from the switch up to
the fixture would be very difficult and would require opening the wall and
ceiling. So I definitely don't want to do that one.

RBM wrote:
"RBM" wrote in message
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"Jay-T" wrote in message
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"RBM" wrote in message
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"Jay-T" wrote in message
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I am trying to figure out how to (or if I can) wire a ceiling fan
and light so that the fan and light are controlled separately --
and both are controlled from two different sets of switches at
two different locations. The room has two doorways and I would
like to be able to control the ceiling fan and light individually
from a set of switches located near each of the doorways. This would
be similar to having a ceiling light controlled by two
3-way switches, with one at each doorway, except that in this
case I would like the switch sets to be able to control the
ceiling fan and ceiling fan light separately from either doorway.

Here is the existing wiring configuration:

The power/feed goes to the first switch setup at doorway "1" with
12/2 wire; then 12/3 wire goes from there to the switch setup at
doorway "2"; then 12/3 wire goes from there up to a ceiling
light. In other words, the room is presently wired as a typical
3-way switch setup to a ceiling light, but the wiring going up to
the existing ceiling light was prewired with 12/3 wire instead of
12/2 in case we ever wanted to replace the ceiling light with a
ceiling fan/light. The ceiling box for the existing light was
already installed using a ceiling fan box in case the light was
ever changed to a ceiling fan/light fixture. So, what I would like to
do now is change the existing ceiling
light to a ceiling fan/light, and change the switch setup at each
doorway to be able to control the ceiling fan and ceiling
individually from either doorway.

Is there a way to do this using the existing wiring that is now in
place (without using any wireless/remote devices)? If so, how
would I wire that?

Not hard wired without pulling another 3 wire cable between the
switch locations, but Casablanca makes Intellitouch 3 way controls
for their fans, which would control both fan speed and light
dimming from both locations

Thanks. I actually could pull another 3 wire cable between the
switch locations without too much trouble. Both are above an open
ceiling basement and are easily accessible from below.

So, in terms of wiring, would I then be thinking of the setup as
being similar to having two 3-way switches for the fan (one at each
doorway) and two 3-way switches for the light (also one at each
doorway)?

Yes, although I don't believe I've ever seen a 3way fan speed control

Just checked, they do apparently make them.

Thanks.