.... latest being a kitchen ventilator, installed above a range/oven
combo. Secured to cabinets above, correctly wired in but ... not vented.
What were they thinking?


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In article , David Nebenzahl wrote:
.... latest being a kitchen ventilator, installed above a range/oven
combo. Secured to cabinets above, correctly wired in but ... not vented.
What were they thinking?

They were probably thinking, there's no convenient means of venting to the
outdoors, so we'll install one of those ventilators with an internal charcoal
filter, the type that is made specifically for use in places where there's no
convenient means of venting to the outdoors.

On Jan 21, 10:07*am, David Nebenzahl wrote:
... latest being a kitchen ventilator, installed above a range/oven
combo. Secured to cabinets above, correctly wired in but ... not vented.
What were they thinking?

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- a Usenet "apology"

Worse yet; one vented into the attic spewing grease all over
everything & waiting to become an accelerant.

On Jan 21, 11:35*am, Eric in North TX wrote:
On Jan 21, 10:07*am, David Nebenzahl wrote:

... latest being a kitchen ventilator, installed above a range/oven
combo. Secured to cabinets above, correctly wired in but ... not vented..
What were they thinking?

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- a Usenet "apology"

Worse yet; one vented into the attic spewing grease all over
everything & waiting to become an accelerant.

That one I haven't had the misfortune to see yet. But the internal
recirculators are just about useless in my experience. THey just blow
things around and dilute the smells/odors.

On Jan 21, 10:07*am, David Nebenzahl wrote:
... latest being a kitchen ventilator, installed above a range/oven
combo. Secured to cabinets above, correctly wired in but ... not vented.
What were they thinking?

--
You were wrong, and I'm man enough to admit it.

- a Usenet "apology"

You really thought all range hoods were vented outside, old apartment
buildings and places without ductwork are why units have the option to
vent inside. Lighting is the main reason they sell.

On Jan 21, 3:59*pm, ransley wrote:
On Jan 21, 10:07*am, David Nebenzahl wrote:

... latest being a kitchen ventilator, installed above a range/oven
combo. Secured to cabinets above, correctly wired in but ... not vented..
What were they thinking?

--
You were wrong, and I'm man enough to admit it.

- a Usenet "apology"

You really thought all range hoods were vented outside, old apartment
buildings and places without ductwork are why units have the option to
vent inside. Lighting is the main reason they sell.

"Lighting is the main reason they sell"

I thought the main reason was to hold up the microwave. ;-)

(Doug Miller) wrote in
:

In article , David
Nebenzahl wrote:
.... latest being a kitchen ventilator, installed above a range/oven
combo. Secured to cabinets above, correctly wired in but ... not
vented. What were they thinking?

They were probably thinking, there's no convenient means of venting to
the outdoors, so we'll install one of those ventilators with an
internal charcoal filter, the type that is made specifically for use
in places where there's no convenient means of venting to the
outdoors.

Yea I've seen those all over, in houses and apts. Usually caked with grease
pretty bad.

David Nebenzahl wrote:
... latest being a kitchen ventilator, installed above a range/oven
combo. Secured to cabinets above, correctly wired in but ... not vented.
What were they thinking?


a lot of range hoods just filter and vent back into the room.

On Jan 21, 6:27*pm, Steve Barker wrote:
David Nebenzahl wrote:
... latest being a kitchen ventilator, installed above a range/oven
combo. Secured to cabinets above, correctly wired in but ... not vented..
What were they thinking?

a lot of range hoods just filter and vent back into the room.

They may be safer than the ones that vent outside. Seems like no one
ever cleans the ones that vent outside. The flue pipe gets filled with
gunk.

Jimmie

In article ,
kens says...
... latest being a kitchen ventilator, installed above a range/oven
combo. Secured to cabinets above, correctly wired in but ... not vented.
What were they thinking?


I may have run across the same handyman. A friend moved into a house a few
years back. Come winter time, they asked me to look over the furnace as it
only ran a minute or so at a time. It was a new 80% furnace and who ever
installed it never cut out the side panel for the air return! It had no
air flow except for what leaked and the over temp shut it down pretty
quickly each time.

It was an old style open return sytem, no return ductwork. I cut it out
and installed a filter housing and it ran fine.


--
Dennis

On 1/21/2010 8:19 AM Doug Miller spake thus:

In article , David
Nebenzahl wrote:

.... latest being a kitchen ventilator, installed above a
range/oven combo. Secured to cabinets above, correctly wired in but
... not vented. What were they thinking?

They were probably thinking, there's no convenient means of venting
to the outdoors, so we'll install one of those ventilators with an
internal charcoal filter, the type that is made specifically for use
in places where there's no convenient means of venting to the
outdoors.

They may have *thought* that, but I can assure you that thought never
materialized: no charcoal inside the vent, just a small fan.


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- a Usenet "apology"

On 1/21/2010 12:59 PM ransley spake thus:

On Jan 21, 10:07 am, David Nebenzahl wrote:

... latest being a kitchen ventilator, installed above a range/oven
combo. Secured to cabinets above, correctly wired in but ... not vented.
What were they thinking?

You really thought all range hoods were vented outside, old apartment
buildings and places without ductwork are why units have the option to
vent inside.

This one was vented *nowhere*. Whatever little air actually got sucked
inside the thing would just spin around a little bit.

Lighting is the main reason they sell.

No lights in this one: it was between the top oven and some cabinets
just below the ceiling, so no place for a light.

But hey, thanks for playing.


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- a Usenet "apology"

"Steve Barker" wrote in message
...
David Nebenzahl wrote:
... latest being a kitchen ventilator, installed above a range/oven
combo. Secured to cabinets above, correctly wired in but ... not vented.
What were they thinking?


a lot of range hoods just filter and vent back into the room.

Bought a house about a year and a half ago with one of those. Never use the
"vent" but the light over the stove works fine.

By international code, unprotected combustibles can't be less
than 30" above the stove top. So they put the metal hood over
the stove, and as an afterthought they put in a light, and a fan
and filter to make the owner think it's really gonna do something.

On Jan 21, 10:27*pm, "tom" wrote:
"Steve Barker" wrote in message

... David Nebenzahl wrote:
... latest being a kitchen ventilator, installed above a range/oven
combo. Secured to cabinets above, correctly wired in but ... not vented.
What were they thinking?

a lot of range hoods just filter and vent back into the room.

Bought a house about a year and a half ago with one of those. Never use the
"vent" but the light over the stove works fine.

"Michael B" wrote in message
...
By international code, unprotected combustibles can't be less
than 30" above the stove top. So they put the metal hood over
the stove, and as an afterthought they put in a light, and a fan
and filter to make the owner think it's really gonna do something.



International code ? Unprotected combustables ? WTF are you smoking ? Stop
bogarding it and pass it over hear....LOL...

David Nebenzahl wrote:
... latest being a kitchen ventilator, installed above a range/oven
combo. Secured to cabinets above, correctly wired in but ... not vented.
What were they thinking?


Hi,
Nothing wrong with it. They contain a filter(like fresh charcoal filter)
to circulate air thru. Better than nothing. Who said it must be vented
outside?

hr(bob) wrote:
On Jan 21, 11:35 am, Eric in North TX wrote:
On Jan 21, 10:07 am, David Nebenzahl wrote:

... latest being a kitchen ventilator, installed above a range/oven
combo. Secured to cabinets above, correctly wired in but ... not vented.
What were they thinking?
--
You were wrong, and I'm man enough to admit it.
- a Usenet "apology"
Worse yet; one vented into the attic spewing grease all over
everything & waiting to become an accelerant.

That one I haven't had the misfortune to see yet. But the internal
recirculators are just about useless in my experience. THey just blow
things around and dilute the smells/odors.

I agree. Vent it outside or don't bother.

On Jan 21, 10:14*pm, David Nebenzahl wrote:
On 1/21/2010 12:59 PM ransley spake thus:



On Jan 21, 10:07 am, David Nebenzahl wrote:

... latest being a kitchen ventilator, installed above a range/oven
combo. Secured to cabinets above, correctly wired in but ... not vented.
What were they thinking?

You really thought all range hoods were vented outside, old apartment
buildings and places without ductwork are why units have the option to
vent inside.

This one was vented *nowhere*. Whatever little air actually got sucked
inside the thing would just spin around a little bit.

Lighting is the main reason they sell.

No lights in this one: it was between the top oven and some cabinets
just below the ceiling, so no place for a light.

Now I'm really confused. First you said it was a kitchen ventilator
installed above a range/oven combo. That made sense. Those are
common and are a small range hood type device. Some are vented
outside and some use a filter and vent back inside. But, how the
hell can you have a kitchen ventilator installed between the top oven
and cabinets?





But hey, thanks for playing.

--
You were wrong, and I'm man enough to admit it.

- a Usenet "apology"

On 1/23/2010 6:21 AM spake thus:

Now I'm really confused. First you said it was a kitchen ventilator
installed above a range/oven combo. That made sense. Those are
common and are a small range hood type device. Some are vented
outside and some use a filter and vent back inside. But, how the
hell can you have a kitchen ventilator installed between the top oven
and cabinets?

If one is an idiot, anything is possible. There it was, wedged
(literally) between the range/oven combo and the cabinets up above. No
hood: just a front door that could be pushed open to turn the fan on. Of
course, even if it had been vented it would have been useless, as the
cooking vapors would have had to curl up around the oven and into the
intake.

Totally useless.


--
You were wrong, and I'm man enough to admit it.

- a Usenet "apology"

On 1/22/2010 7:58 PM Tony Hwang spake thus:

David Nebenzahl wrote:

... latest being a kitchen ventilator, installed above a range/oven
combo. Secured to cabinets above, correctly wired in but ... not vented.
What were they thinking?

Hi,
Nothing wrong with it. They contain a filter(like fresh charcoal filter)
to circulate air thru. Better than nothing. Who said it must be vented
outside?

Hi,
You're not reading, or not comprehending. THERE WAS NO CHARCOAL INSIDE
THIS UNIT! Just a fan. Got it?


--
You were wrong, and I'm man enough to admit it.

- a Usenet "apology"

On Jan 23, 1:54*pm, David Nebenzahl wrote:
On 1/22/2010 7:58 PM Tony Hwang spake thus:



David Nebenzahl wrote:

... latest being a kitchen ventilator, installed above a range/oven
combo. Secured to cabinets above, correctly wired in but ... not vented.
What were they thinking?

Hi,
Nothing wrong with it. They contain a filter(like fresh charcoal filter)
to circulate air thru. Better than nothing. Who said it must be vented
outside?

Hi,
You're not reading, or not comprehending. THERE WAS NO CHARCOAL INSIDE
THIS UNIT! Just a fan. Got it?

--
You were wrong, and I'm man enough to admit it.

- a Usenet "apology"

No, post a photo.

On 1/23/2010 12:46 PM ransley spake thus:

On Jan 23, 1:54 pm, David Nebenzahl wrote:

On 1/22/2010 7:58 PM Tony Hwang spake thus:

David Nebenzahl wrote:

... latest being a kitchen ventilator, installed above a range/oven
combo. Secured to cabinets above, correctly wired in but ... not vented.
What were they thinking?

Hi,
Nothing wrong with it. They contain a filter(like fresh charcoal filter)
to circulate air thru. Better than nothing. Who said it must be vented
outside?

Hi,
You're not reading, or not comprehending. THERE WAS NO CHARCOAL INSIDE
THIS UNIT! Just a fan. Got it?

No, post a photo.

You're joking, right?

Look, the thing is as simple as can be. I have it sitting in the back of
my work truck, waiting to be recycled.

It's a metal box the width and depth of the range and about 3" high. In
the front is a door that swings up lengthwise to open the vent in front,
which pushes the power switch to turn on the fan. Fan is a small plastic
jobbie on a shaded-pole motor. The thing sucks in air in the front, and
discharges it out a back opening into a vent. Got it?

Except that the knock-out hole in the back was never removed, because
there was no vent attached. (It was simply installed against the
unfinished drywall behind the range, with a hole cut out for the power
cable.) From the looks of it the unit was never used much anyway;
there's a little grease on the fan blades, but not much. (There's one of
those metal mesh filters behind the front opening that probably absorbed
the bulk of the grease.) The current homeowner never used it, didn't
even know about it.


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- a Usenet "apology"

I had the same call, but it was the cold air return register
in the living room. Someone didn't like it, so they boarded
it over.

--
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Learn more about Jesus
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"DT" wrote in message
...

I may have run across the same handyman. A friend moved into
a house a few
years back. Come winter time, they asked me to look over the
furnace as it
only ran a minute or so at a time. It was a new 80% furnace
and who ever
installed it never cut out the side panel for the air
return! It had no
air flow except for what leaked and the over temp shut it
down pretty
quickly each time.

It was an old style open return sytem, no return ductwork. I
cut it out
and installed a filter housing and it ran fine.


--
Dennis

David Nebenzahl wrote:
... latest being a kitchen ventilator, installed above a range/oven
combo. Secured to cabinets above, correctly wired in but ... not vented.
What were they thinking?



Did it have or was it designed to hold a multi layered expanded aluminum
screen? The recirculating types have the screen for collecting grease.
And dust, of course, sticks to the grease buildup. If the filter is not
cleaned regularly, the whole purpose of the hood is defeated.

TDD

On 1/24/2010 7:59 PM The Daring Dufas spake thus:

David Nebenzahl wrote:

... latest being a kitchen ventilator, installed above a range/oven
combo. Secured to cabinets above, correctly wired in but ... not vented.
What were they thinking?

Did it have or was it designed to hold a multi layered expanded aluminum
screen? The recirculating types have the screen for collecting grease.
And dust, of course, sticks to the grease buildup. If the filter is not
cleaned regularly, the whole purpose of the hood is defeated.

Yes, there was such a screen when you opened the door that operates it,
but I'm telling you this was *not* a recirculating unit. Was never
intended to be. There was a knockout on the back for the duct opening,
still intact.


--
You were wrong, and I'm man enough to admit it.

- a Usenet "apology"

David Nebenzahl wrote:
On 1/24/2010 7:59 PM The Daring Dufas spake thus:

David Nebenzahl wrote:

... latest being a kitchen ventilator, installed above a range/oven
combo. Secured to cabinets above, correctly wired in but ... not
vented. What were they thinking?

Did it have or was it designed to hold a multi layered expanded aluminum
screen? The recirculating types have the screen for collecting grease.
And dust, of course, sticks to the grease buildup. If the filter is not
cleaned regularly, the whole purpose of the hood is defeated.

Yes, there was such a screen when you opened the door that operates it,
but I'm telling you this was *not* a recirculating unit. Was never
intended to be. There was a knockout on the back for the duct opening,
still intact.



I've seen the same sort of insanity or slacker work.

TDD

On 1/25/2010 11:21 AM The Daring Dufas spake thus:

David Nebenzahl wrote:

On 1/24/2010 7:59 PM The Daring Dufas spake thus:

David Nebenzahl wrote:

... latest being a kitchen ventilator, installed above a range/oven
combo. Secured to cabinets above, correctly wired in but ... not
vented. What were they thinking?

Did it have or was it designed to hold a multi layered expanded aluminum
screen? The recirculating types have the screen for collecting grease.
And dust, of course, sticks to the grease buildup. If the filter is not
cleaned regularly, the whole purpose of the hood is defeated.

Yes, there was such a screen when you opened the door that operates it,
but I'm telling you this was *not* a recirculating unit. Was never
intended to be. There was a knockout on the back for the duct opening,
still intact.

I've seen the same sort of insanity or slacker work.

Check out the links Bill posted in the "Local Building Codes" thread
down yonder. Just some amazing ****.


--
You were wrong, and I'm man enough to admit it.

- a Usenet "apology"

Steve B wrote:
"The Daring Dufas" wrote in message
...
David Nebenzahl wrote:
On 1/24/2010 7:59 PM The Daring Dufas spake thus:

David Nebenzahl wrote:

... latest being a kitchen ventilator, installed above a range/oven
combo. Secured to cabinets above, correctly wired in but ... not
vented. What were they thinking?
Did it have or was it designed to hold a multi layered expanded aluminum
screen? The recirculating types have the screen for collecting grease.
And dust, of course, sticks to the grease buildup. If the filter is not
cleaned regularly, the whole purpose of the hood is defeated.
Yes, there was such a screen when you opened the door that operates it,
but I'm telling you this was *not* a recirculating unit. Was never
intended to be. There was a knockout on the back for the duct opening,
still intact.


I've seen the same sort of insanity or slacker work.

TDD

The microwaves are designed to be that way. One reason I would never own an
above the stove microwave. It takes the air in, collects the grease, then
blows it right back in your face. Eventually, all the grease either catches
fire, or collects to a point that it causes microwave failure. Or the
microwave dies from other reasons, and when you take it down, you see the
filth right beyond your fingertips. A really great design.

Steve


House came with the over-stove micro. I never use the fan. Only use the
stove when company visits. Not even sure where my pots and pans are at
the moment. I either eat salads or stuff I can nuke. (No, nothing in
cardboard boxes- sandwiches, soups, pasta-ish glop made from cans+added
veggies, etc.) Mine is actually vented to outside, though.

--
aem sends...

Steve B wrote:
"The Daring Dufas" wrote in message
...
David Nebenzahl wrote:
On 1/24/2010 7:59 PM The Daring Dufas spake thus:

David Nebenzahl wrote:

... latest being a kitchen ventilator, installed above a range/oven
combo. Secured to cabinets above, correctly wired in but ... not
vented. What were they thinking?
Did it have or was it designed to hold a multi layered expanded aluminum
screen? The recirculating types have the screen for collecting grease.
And dust, of course, sticks to the grease buildup. If the filter is not
cleaned regularly, the whole purpose of the hood is defeated.
Yes, there was such a screen when you opened the door that operates it,
but I'm telling you this was *not* a recirculating unit. Was never
intended to be. There was a knockout on the back for the duct opening,
still intact.


I've seen the same sort of insanity or slacker work.

TDD

The microwaves are designed to be that way. One reason I would never own an
above the stove microwave. It takes the air in, collects the grease, then
blows it right back in your face. Eventually, all the grease either catches
fire, or collects to a point that it causes microwave failure. Or the
microwave dies from other reasons, and when you take it down, you see the
filth right beyond your fingertips. A really great design.

Steve



Our donated over the range microwave with the built in hood we have here
at the crotchety old fart's lair is vented to the outside.

TDD

"The Daring Dufas" wrote in message
...
David Nebenzahl wrote:
On 1/24/2010 7:59 PM The Daring Dufas spake thus:

David Nebenzahl wrote:

... latest being a kitchen ventilator, installed above a range/oven
combo. Secured to cabinets above, correctly wired in but ... not
vented. What were they thinking?

Did it have or was it designed to hold a multi layered expanded aluminum
screen? The recirculating types have the screen for collecting grease.
And dust, of course, sticks to the grease buildup. If the filter is not
cleaned regularly, the whole purpose of the hood is defeated.

Yes, there was such a screen when you opened the door that operates it,
but I'm telling you this was *not* a recirculating unit. Was never
intended to be. There was a knockout on the back for the duct opening,
still intact.



I've seen the same sort of insanity or slacker work.

TDD

The microwaves are designed to be that way. One reason I would never own an
above the stove microwave. It takes the air in, collects the grease, then
blows it right back in your face. Eventually, all the grease either catches
fire, or collects to a point that it causes microwave failure. Or the
microwave dies from other reasons, and when you take it down, you see the
filth right beyond your fingertips. A really great design.

Steve

On Mon, 25 Jan 2010 18:32:40 -0800, Steve B wrote:

"The Daring Dufas" wrote in message
...
David Nebenzahl wrote:
On 1/24/2010 7:59 PM The Daring Dufas spake thus:

David Nebenzahl wrote:

... latest being a kitchen ventilator, installed above a range/oven
combo. Secured to cabinets above, correctly wired in but ... not
vented. What were they thinking?

Did it have or was it designed to hold a multi layered expanded aluminum
screen? The recirculating types have the screen for collecting grease.
And dust, of course, sticks to the grease buildup. If the filter is not
cleaned regularly, the whole purpose of the hood is defeated.

Yes, there was such a screen when you opened the door that operates it,
but I'm telling you this was *not* a recirculating unit. Was never
intended to be. There was a knockout on the back for the duct opening,
still intact.



I've seen the same sort of insanity or slacker work.

TDD

The microwaves are designed to be that way. One reason I would never own an
above the stove microwave. It takes the air in, collects the grease, then
blows it right back in your face. Eventually, all the grease either catches
fire, or collects to a point that it causes microwave failure. Or the
microwave dies from other reasons, and when you take it down, you see the
filth right beyond your fingertips. A really great design.

I would never use such a recirculator fan wether it was a range or
an above stove microwave.

I would keep shopping if the house I was inspecting didn't have a
true exhaust, or the ability to install one.

On 1/25/2010 10:25 PM Steve B spake thus:

Microwaves that are vented to the outside are in existence, but a lot
are not. And even those that are properly vented collect gook just
like an over the range hood. Grease sticks and does not evaporate.
Even commercial kitchens have to have their hoods and stoves cleaned
professionally in lots of locations to comply with health department
standards. Private homes do not, therefore the buildup of filth.

That's something a decent vent hood is supposed to take care of. They
have grease traps or collectors, which actually trap most of the grease
on its way through the hood. So instead of grease going everywhere, it's
mostly contained in this little drawer you can pull out and empty. (Plus
woven metal filters that can be cleaned as well.)


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"The Daring Dufas" wrote in message
...
Steve B wrote:
"The Daring Dufas" wrote in message
...
David Nebenzahl wrote:
On 1/24/2010 7:59 PM The Daring Dufas spake thus:

David Nebenzahl wrote:

... latest being a kitchen ventilator, installed above a range/oven
combo. Secured to cabinets above, correctly wired in but ... not
vented. What were they thinking?
Did it have or was it designed to hold a multi layered expanded
aluminum
screen? The recirculating types have the screen for collecting grease.
And dust, of course, sticks to the grease buildup. If the filter is
not
cleaned regularly, the whole purpose of the hood is defeated.
Yes, there was such a screen when you opened the door that operates it,
but I'm telling you this was *not* a recirculating unit. Was never
intended to be. There was a knockout on the back for the duct opening,
still intact.


I've seen the same sort of insanity or slacker work.

TDD

The microwaves are designed to be that way. One reason I would never own
an above the stove microwave. It takes the air in, collects the grease,
then blows it right back in your face. Eventually, all the grease either
catches fire, or collects to a point that it causes microwave failure.
Or the microwave dies from other reasons, and when you take it down, you
see the filth right beyond your fingertips. A really great design.

Steve

Our donated over the range microwave with the built in hood we have here
at the crotchety old fart's lair is vented to the outside.

TDD

Microwaves that are vented to the outside are in existence, but a lot are
not. And even those that are properly vented collect gook just like an over
the range hood. Grease sticks and does not evaporate. Even commercial
kitchens have to have their hoods and stoves cleaned professionally in lots
of locations to comply with health department standards. Private homes do
not, therefore the buildup of filth.

Steve

Steve B wrote:
"The Daring Dufas" wrote in message
...
Steve B wrote:
"The Daring Dufas" wrote in message
...
David Nebenzahl wrote:
On 1/24/2010 7:59 PM The Daring Dufas spake thus:

David Nebenzahl wrote:

... latest being a kitchen ventilator, installed above a range/oven
combo. Secured to cabinets above, correctly wired in but ... not
vented. What were they thinking?
Did it have or was it designed to hold a multi layered expanded
aluminum
screen? The recirculating types have the screen for collecting grease.
And dust, of course, sticks to the grease buildup. If the filter is
not
cleaned regularly, the whole purpose of the hood is defeated.
Yes, there was such a screen when you opened the door that operates it,
but I'm telling you this was *not* a recirculating unit. Was never
intended to be. There was a knockout on the back for the duct opening,
still intact.


I've seen the same sort of insanity or slacker work.

TDD
The microwaves are designed to be that way. One reason I would never own
an above the stove microwave. It takes the air in, collects the grease,
then blows it right back in your face. Eventually, all the grease either
catches fire, or collects to a point that it causes microwave failure.
Or the microwave dies from other reasons, and when you take it down, you
see the filth right beyond your fingertips. A really great design.

Steve
Our donated over the range microwave with the built in hood we have here
at the crotchety old fart's lair is vented to the outside.

TDD

Microwaves that are vented to the outside are in existence, but a lot are
not. And even those that are properly vented collect gook just like an over
the range hood. Grease sticks and does not evaporate. Even commercial
kitchens have to have their hoods and stoves cleaned professionally in lots
of locations to comply with health department standards. Private homes do
not, therefore the buildup of filth.

Steve



I've been on many a roof of a commercial kitchen to fix those damn
things. Seafood places with deep fat fryers and barbecue joints are
the worst. Most pizza places, not so bad.

TDD

On Jan 21, 11:07*am, David Nebenzahl wrote:
... latest being a kitchen ventilator, installed above a range/oven
combo. Secured to cabinets above, correctly wired in but ... not vented.
What were they thinking?

--
You were wrong, and I'm man enough to admit it.

- a Usenet "apology"

In my attic....a fan in a gray metal housing attached to the inside of
the roof, but with no hole to vent to the outside. Perhaps I might
want to circulate the air inside my attic?

Mike

"David Nebenzahl" wrote in message
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On 1/25/2010 10:25 PM Steve B spake thus:

Microwaves that are vented to the outside are in existence, but a lot
are not. And even those that are properly vented collect gook just like
an over the range hood. Grease sticks and does not evaporate.
Even commercial kitchens have to have their hoods and stoves cleaned
professionally in lots of locations to comply with health department
standards. Private homes do not, therefore the buildup of filth.

That's something a decent vent hood is supposed to take care of. They have
grease traps or collectors, which actually trap most of the grease on its
way through the hood. So instead of grease going everywhere, it's mostly
contained in this little drawer you can pull out and empty. (Plus woven
metal filters that can be cleaned as well.)


--
You were wrong, and I'm man enough to admit it.

- a Usenet "apology"

I can see you have never wrecked one out that's been there for a while.

Steve

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Steve B wrote:
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David Nebenzahl wrote:
On 1/24/2010 7:59 PM The Daring Dufas spake thus:

David Nebenzahl wrote:

... latest being a kitchen ventilator, installed above a range/oven
combo. Secured to cabinets above, correctly wired in but ... not
vented. What were they thinking?
Did it have or was it designed to hold a multi layered expanded
aluminum
screen? The recirculating types have the screen for collecting
grease. And dust, of course, sticks to the grease buildup. If the
filter is not
cleaned regularly, the whole purpose of the hood is defeated.
Yes, there was such a screen when you opened the door that operates
it, but I'm telling you this was *not* a recirculating unit. Was
never intended to be. There was a knockout on the back for the duct
opening, still intact.


I've seen the same sort of insanity or slacker work.

TDD
The microwaves are designed to be that way. One reason I would never
own an above the stove microwave. It takes the air in, collects the
grease, then blows it right back in your face. Eventually, all the
grease either catches fire, or collects to a point that it causes
microwave failure. Or the microwave dies from other reasons, and when
you take it down, you see the filth right beyond your fingertips. A
really great design.

Steve
Our donated over the range microwave with the built in hood we have here
at the crotchety old fart's lair is vented to the outside.

TDD

Microwaves that are vented to the outside are in existence, but a lot are
not. And even those that are properly vented collect gook just like an
over the range hood. Grease sticks and does not evaporate. Even
commercial kitchens have to have their hoods and stoves cleaned
professionally in lots of locations to comply with health department
standards. Private homes do not, therefore the buildup of filth.

Steve

I've been on many a roof of a commercial kitchen to fix those damn things.
Seafood places with deep fat fryers and barbecue joints are
the worst. Most pizza places, not so bad.

TDD

A restaurant I worked in had a big crew come in on a closed day the evening
we closed. Then worked through the closed day. Then into the closed night,
sometimes into the early morning hours. Cleaning all the big stoves, ovens,
and hoods. They had a big crew, and always took until early morning of the
opening day. It was because of fire and health regulations.

And like that, but not on that scale, microwaves that are used for venting
catch and hold the same substances. I further do not like microwaves over
the stove because they are a safety hazard. You have to put your privates
close to hot food on the range top, then reach up high to get something out.
Short people have trouble seeing the food, and spillage is easy.

I know and accept that some setups, because of space or other
considerations, have to have the microwave over the stove. But, I really
have not seen a microwave that has been used on the countertop get as gungy
as one over a stove.

Steve

On 1/26/2010 9:13 AM Steve B spake thus:

"David Nebenzahl" wrote in message
s.com...

On 1/25/2010 10:25 PM Steve B spake thus:

Microwaves that are vented to the outside are in existence, but a lot
are not. And even those that are properly vented collect gook just like
an over the range hood. Grease sticks and does not evaporate.
Even commercial kitchens have to have their hoods and stoves cleaned
professionally in lots of locations to comply with health department
standards. Private homes do not, therefore the buildup of filth.

That's something a decent vent hood is supposed to take care of. They have
grease traps or collectors, which actually trap most of the grease on its
way through the hood. So instead of grease going everywhere, it's mostly
contained in this little drawer you can pull out and empty. (Plus woven
metal filters that can be cleaned as well.)

I can see you have never wrecked one out that's been there for a while.

I'm not saying a grease trap leaves pristine surfaces inside a hood. But
it makes it a lot less gunky than it would be *without* the trap. Have
you ever seen the amount of gunk in a filled grease trap?


--
You were wrong, and I'm man enough to admit it.

- a Usenet "apology"

Steve B wrote:
"The Daring Dufas" wrote in message
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Steve B wrote:
"The Daring Dufas" wrote in message
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Steve B wrote:
"The Daring Dufas" wrote in message
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David Nebenzahl wrote:
On 1/24/2010 7:59 PM The Daring Dufas spake thus:

David Nebenzahl wrote:

... latest being a kitchen ventilator, installed above a range/oven
combo. Secured to cabinets above, correctly wired in but ... not
vented. What were they thinking?
Did it have or was it designed to hold a multi layered expanded
aluminum
screen? The recirculating types have the screen for collecting
grease. And dust, of course, sticks to the grease buildup. If the
filter is not
cleaned regularly, the whole purpose of the hood is defeated.
Yes, there was such a screen when you opened the door that operates
it, but I'm telling you this was *not* a recirculating unit. Was
never intended to be. There was a knockout on the back for the duct
opening, still intact.


I've seen the same sort of insanity or slacker work.

TDD
The microwaves are designed to be that way. One reason I would never
own an above the stove microwave. It takes the air in, collects the
grease, then blows it right back in your face. Eventually, all the
grease either catches fire, or collects to a point that it causes
microwave failure. Or the microwave dies from other reasons, and when
you take it down, you see the filth right beyond your fingertips. A
really great design.

Steve
Our donated over the range microwave with the built in hood we have here
at the crotchety old fart's lair is vented to the outside.

TDD
Microwaves that are vented to the outside are in existence, but a lot are
not. And even those that are properly vented collect gook just like an
over the range hood. Grease sticks and does not evaporate. Even
commercial kitchens have to have their hoods and stoves cleaned
professionally in lots of locations to comply with health department
standards. Private homes do not, therefore the buildup of filth.

Steve
I've been on many a roof of a commercial kitchen to fix those damn things.
Seafood places with deep fat fryers and barbecue joints are
the worst. Most pizza places, not so bad.

TDD

A restaurant I worked in had a big crew come in on a closed day the evening
we closed. Then worked through the closed day. Then into the closed night,
sometimes into the early morning hours. Cleaning all the big stoves, ovens,
and hoods. They had a big crew, and always took until early morning of the
opening day. It was because of fire and health regulations.

And like that, but not on that scale, microwaves that are used for venting
catch and hold the same substances. I further do not like microwaves over
the stove because they are a safety hazard. You have to put your privates
close to hot food on the range top, then reach up high to get something out.
Short people have trouble seeing the food, and spillage is easy.

I know and accept that some setups, because of space or other
considerations, have to have the microwave over the stove. But, I really
have not seen a microwave that has been used on the countertop get as gungy
as one over a stove.

Steve



Someone told me that the best way to learn to fry bacon was while
you are naked. It seems that the tactile reinforcement of hot grease
landing on your delicate body parts will help you develop a proper bacon
cooking technique.

TDD

Steve B wrote:
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Steve B wrote:
"The Daring Dufas" wrote in message
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Steve B wrote:
"The Daring Dufas" wrote in message
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Steve B wrote:
"The Daring Dufas" wrote in message
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David Nebenzahl wrote:
On 1/24/2010 7:59 PM The Daring Dufas spake thus:

David Nebenzahl wrote:

... latest being a kitchen ventilator, installed above a
range/oven combo. Secured to cabinets above, correctly wired in
but ... not vented. What were they thinking?
Did it have or was it designed to hold a multi layered expanded
aluminum
screen? The recirculating types have the screen for collecting
grease. And dust, of course, sticks to the grease buildup. If the
filter is not
cleaned regularly, the whole purpose of the hood is defeated.
Yes, there was such a screen when you opened the door that operates
it, but I'm telling you this was *not* a recirculating unit. Was
never intended to be. There was a knockout on the back for the duct
opening, still intact.


I've seen the same sort of insanity or slacker work.

TDD
The microwaves are designed to be that way. One reason I would never
own an above the stove microwave. It takes the air in, collects the
grease, then blows it right back in your face. Eventually, all the
grease either catches fire, or collects to a point that it causes
microwave failure. Or the microwave dies from other reasons, and when
you take it down, you see the filth right beyond your fingertips. A
really great design.

Steve
Our donated over the range microwave with the built in hood we have
here
at the crotchety old fart's lair is vented to the outside.

TDD
Microwaves that are vented to the outside are in existence, but a lot
are not. And even those that are properly vented collect gook just
like an over the range hood. Grease sticks and does not evaporate.
Even commercial kitchens have to have their hoods and stoves cleaned
professionally in lots of locations to comply with health department
standards. Private homes do not, therefore the buildup of filth.

Steve
I've been on many a roof of a commercial kitchen to fix those damn
things. Seafood places with deep fat fryers and barbecue joints are
the worst. Most pizza places, not so bad.

TDD
A restaurant I worked in had a big crew come in on a closed day the
evening we closed. Then worked through the closed day. Then into the
closed night, sometimes into the early morning hours. Cleaning all the
big stoves, ovens, and hoods. They had a big crew, and always took until
early morning of the opening day. It was because of fire and health
regulations.

And like that, but not on that scale, microwaves that are used for
venting catch and hold the same substances. I further do not like
microwaves over the stove because they are a safety hazard. You have to
put your privates close to hot food on the range top, then reach up high
to get something out. Short people have trouble seeing the food, and
spillage is easy.

I know and accept that some setups, because of space or other
considerations, have to have the microwave over the stove. But, I really
have not seen a microwave that has been used on the countertop get as
gungy as one over a stove.

Steve
Someone told me that the best way to learn to fry bacon was while
you are naked. It seems that the tactile reinforcement of hot grease
landing on your delicate body parts will help you develop a proper bacon
cooking technique.

TDD

And people in the Burn Unit say, " .... the next thing I know is .........."

**** happens. And you're saying it doesn't. Or just hasn't yet to you.

Yet.

Just the facts, ma'am. Over the stove microwaves are a safety hazard, and
they get gungy.

Steve



Oh the humanity!

TDD