We're starting to update our kitchen, since it's over 20 years old.
We're going to start with a new electric stove and dishwasher. Lowes is
having a big sale this weekend. I'm going to install the stove, but I'm
not comfortable doing the dishwasher.

The in thing now is stainless steel. Please look in your crystal ball.
How long is SS going to be in style?

More importantly, any recommendations or warnings about which appliances
we should or should not buy?

mcp6453 wrote:

We're starting to update our kitchen, since it's over 20 years old.
We're going to start with a new electric stove and dishwasher. Lowes is
having a big sale this weekend. I'm going to install the stove, but I'm
not comfortable doing the dishwasher.

The in thing now is stainless steel. Please look in your crystal ball.
How long is SS going to be in style?

More importantly, any recommendations or warnings about which appliances
we should or should not buy?

Stainless Steel has always been in style - in commercial kitchens - How
much longer commercial style kitchens will be in style in residences is
a good question, however since SS is prety neutral, and similar to
chrome has been in style in residences for a long time, I'd say that SS
appliances should be fine for another 20 years. Indeed with neutral
appliances like SS you can redo counters and cabinets and completely
change the look of a kitchen while keeping those same appliances.

On Nov 6, 5:58*pm, mcp6453 wrote:
We're starting to update our kitchen, since it's over 20 years old.
We're going to start with a new electric stove and dishwasher. Lowes is
having a big sale this weekend. I'm going to install the stove, but I'm
not comfortable doing the dishwasher.

The in thing now is stainless steel. Please look in your crystal ball.
How long is SS going to be in style?

More importantly, any recommendations or warnings about which appliances
we should or should not buy?

Stainless steel has to be cleaned alot , fingerprints and smuges show,
its not my type of appliance.

On Nov 6, 7:42*pm, "Pete C." wrote:
mcp6453 wrote:

We're starting to update our kitchen, since it's over 20 years old.
We're going to start with a new electric stove and dishwasher. Lowes is
having a big sale this weekend. I'm going to install the stove, but I'm
not comfortable doing the dishwasher.

The in thing now is stainless steel. Please look in your crystal ball.
How long is SS going to be in style?

More importantly, any recommendations or warnings about which appliances
we should or should not buy?

Stainless Steel has always been in style - in commercial kitchens - How
much longer commercial style kitchens will be in style in residences is
a good question, however since SS is prety neutral, and similar to
chrome has been in style in residences for a long time, I'd say that SS
appliances should be fine for another 20 years. Indeed with neutral
appliances like SS you can redo counters and cabinets and completely
change the look of a kitchen while keeping those same appliances.

Installing a stainless steel dishwasher is no different than
installing any dishwasher. Turn off the water and electricity before
removing the old one. It is usually held in pace by two screws on the
top front facing up into the bottom of the counter top. remove these
two screws and the dishwasher should be movable. Undo the electric
and the water supply and drain and slide the old unit out, slide the
new unit in and reconnect the lectric and water and drain, raise/lower
the new unit until it fits up against the countertop with the same
altitude as the ole unit. Put the two screws into the bottom of the
countertop and turn the water and electric on, check for leaks and
enjoy. The front kickplate is the first thing to remove and the last
thing to replace.

I heard rumors that the coming thing in appliances will be a copper
looking color. I think it will be called "coppertone.' Other rumors are
that the next fad will be a yellowish color called "Harvest Gold". Who
knows. Larry

On Nov 6, 7:42*pm, "Pete C." wrote:

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I'd say that SS
appliances should be fine for another 20 years. Indeed with neutral
appliances like SS you can redo counters and cabinets and completely
change the look of a kitchen while keeping those same appliances.

That's what we said about harvest gold just a few years ago...
A decade is about forever in the home fashion world. With unemployment
over 10% now, SS and $60 a square foot countertops will give way to
another more spartan trend. Whirlpool's black appliances may be the
harbinger.

Joe

mcp6453 wrote:
We're starting to update our kitchen, since it's over 20 years old.
We're going to start with a new electric stove and dishwasher. Lowes
is having a big sale this weekend. I'm going to install the stove,
but I'm not comfortable doing the dishwasher.

The in thing now is stainless steel. Please look in your crystal ball.
How long is SS going to be in style?

More importantly, any recommendations or warnings about which
appliances we should or should not buy?

Installing a diswasher is not much more complicated than a stove. You've got
to hook up three things instead of just one:

* Water
* Electricity
* Drain

In doing so, it might be prudent to upgrade the connections while you're
under there. That is, install a valve on the hot water inlet instead of a
direct connect and an outlet/plug on the electric supply.

These will make future maintenance easier.

Disclaimer---
The hard part is coordinating the activities of the various specialty
workers (plumbers and licensed electricians), plus obtaining all the
necessary permits, plans, inspections, and architectural drawings. A check
of your homeowner's policy is not out of the question.

And wear eye protection.

On Fri, 6 Nov 2009 21:41:54 -0600, (Lp1331 1p1331)
wrote:

I heard rumors that the coming thing in appliances will be a copper
looking color. I think it will be called "coppertone.' Other rumors are
that the next fad will be a yellowish color called "Harvest Gold". Who
knows. Larry


mmmmmm. . . I love guacamole-- do you think they'll ever come up with
a Guacamole colored appliance?

I remember looking at 1940's Popular Science/Mechanics magazines in
the 60's and thinking that we'd come a long way in the home decor
world in 20 years. Now, looking back, I like the 40's look better.

Jim

Jim Elbrecht wrote:
On Fri, 6 Nov 2009 21:41:54 -0600, (Lp1331 1p1331)
wrote:

I heard rumors that the coming thing in appliances will be a copper
looking color. I think it will be called "coppertone.' Other rumors are
that the next fad will be a yellowish color called "Harvest Gold". Who
knows. Larry


mmmmmm. . . I love guacamole-- do you think they'll ever come up with
a Guacamole colored appliance?

I remember looking at 1940's Popular Science/Mechanics magazines in
the 60's and thinking that we'd come a long way in the home decor
world in 20 years. Now, looking back, I like the 40's look better.

Jim

Magic Chef made a gas range in the thirties that was gorgeous....I'd
love to have one of those. I'm ready for a car with no
electronics...they are just junk that adds cost and complexity. I
replaced the window motors on my Buick once, and they are shot. Can't
go through the drive-through at the bank. My engine light comes on
because my speedometer doesn't work; my internal speedometer works
pretty well, within 1-2 mph )

"Jim Elbrecht" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 6 Nov 2009 21:41:54 -0600, (Lp1331 1p1331)
wrote:

I heard rumors that the coming thing in appliances will be a copper
looking color. I think it will be called "coppertone.' Other rumors are
that the next fad will be a yellowish color called "Harvest Gold". Who
knows. Larry


mmmmmm. . . I love guacamole-- do you think they'll ever come up with
a Guacamole colored appliance?


They do have sour cream colored appliances so hang on, they just may do it
as soon as 1965 comes back.

wrote in message
Magic Chef made a gas range in the thirties that was gorgeous....I'd love
to have one of those. I'm ready for a car with no electronics...they are
just junk that adds cost and complexity. I replaced the window motors on
my Buick once, and they are shot. Can't go through the drive-through at
the bank. My engine light comes on because my speedometer doesn't work;
my internal speedometer works pretty well, within 1-2 mph )

Both my rear window on my LeSabre are held up with a piece of wood bracing.
The rest of the car is just falling apart too. I'll never buy another Buick
given my experience with the last two. The cruise control switch is held
"on" by jamming a toothpick next to the button.. Great car for a year or
so, but I expect more for $33,000.

"mcp6453" wrote in message
...
We're starting to update our kitchen, since it's over 20 years old. We're
going to start with a new electric stove and dishwasher. Lowes is having a
big sale this weekend. I'm going to install the stove, but I'm not
comfortable doing the dishwasher.

The in thing now is stainless steel. Please look in your crystal ball. How
long is SS going to be in style?

More importantly, any recommendations or warnings about which appliances
we should or should not buy?

We had the same question when we did a remodel/room addition a few years
ago. We decided to go with the old 'basic white' for our situation. The
home was built in the 1940s and while we've updated and modernized things,
we've tried to maintain the original style. Stainless seemed to go against
that trend, so we went with white. I've no regrets to this point. SS will
eventually go out of style just like the gold and green of the 1970s, and
the black of the 80s & 90s. But white has lived on throughout!

"hr(bob) " wrote in
:

On Nov 6, 7:42*pm, "Pete C." wrote:
mcp6453 wrote:

We're starting to update our kitchen, since it's over 20 years old.
We're going to start with a new electric stove and dishwasher.
Lowes is having a big sale this weekend. I'm going to install the
stove, but I'm not comfortable doing the dishwasher.

The in thing now is stainless steel. Please look in your crystal
ball. How long is SS going to be in style?

More importantly, any recommendations or warnings about which
appliance
s
we should or should not buy?

Stainless Steel has always been in style - in commercial kitchens -
How much longer commercial style kitchens will be in style in
residences is a good question, however since SS is prety neutral, and
similar to chrome has been in style in residences for a long time,
I'd say that SS appliances should be fine for another 20 years.
Indeed with neutral appliances like SS you can redo counters and
cabinets and completely change the look of a kitchen while keeping
those same appliances.

Installing a stainless steel dishwasher is no different than
installing any dishwasher. Turn off the water and electricity before
removing the old one. It is usually held in pace by two screws on the
top front facing up into the bottom of the counter top. remove these
two screws and the dishwasher should be movable. Undo the electric
and the water supply and drain and slide the old unit out, slide the
new unit in and reconnect the lectric and water and drain, raise/lower
the new unit until it fits up against the countertop with the same
altitude as the ole unit. Put the two screws into the bottom of the
countertop and turn the water and electric on, check for leaks and
enjoy. The front kickplate is the first thing to remove and the last
thing to replace.




The front kickplate is the first thing to remove and the last
thing to replace.


....and don't throw the paper schematic away you find behind it.

On Nov 7, 2:31*pm, Red Green wrote:
"hr(bob) " wrote :





On Nov 6, 7:42*pm, "Pete C." wrote:
mcp6453 wrote:

We're starting to update our kitchen, since it's over 20 years old.
We're going to start with a new electric stove and dishwasher.
Lowes is having a big sale this weekend. I'm going to install the
stove, but I'm not comfortable doing the dishwasher.

The in thing now is stainless steel. Please look in your crystal
ball. How long is SS going to be in style?

More importantly, any recommendations or warnings about which
appliance
s
we should or should not buy?

Stainless Steel has always been in style - in commercial kitchens -
How much longer commercial style kitchens will be in style in
residences is a good question, however since SS is prety neutral, and
similar to chrome has been in style in residences for a long time,
I'd say that SS appliances should be fine for another 20 years.
Indeed with neutral appliances like SS you can redo counters and
cabinets and completely change the look of a kitchen while keeping
those same appliances.

Installing a stainless steel dishwasher is no different than
installing any dishwasher. *Turn off the water and electricity before
removing the old one. *It is usually held in pace by two screws on the
top front facing up into the bottom of the counter top. *remove these
two screws and the dishwasher should be movable. *Undo the electric
and the water supply and drain and slide the old unit out, slide the
new unit in and reconnect the lectric and water and drain, raise/lower
the new unit until it fits up against the countertop with the same
altitude as the ole unit. *Put the two screws into the bottom of the
countertop and turn the water and electric on, check for leaks and
enjoy. *The front kickplate is the first thing to remove and the last
thing to replace.

The front kickplate is the first thing to remove and the last
thing to replace.

...and don't throw the paper schematic away you find behind it.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Stick to white. Always possible to get that colour new or used. Also
easier to shop around for a good price if everything white.

"Mark" wrote in message
...

"mcp6453" wrote in message
...
We're starting to update our kitchen, since it's over 20 years old. We're
going to start with a new electric stove and dishwasher. Lowes is having
a big sale this weekend. I'm going to install the stove, but I'm not
comfortable doing the dishwasher.

The in thing now is stainless steel. Please look in your crystal ball.
How long is SS going to be in style?

More importantly, any recommendations or warnings about which appliances
we should or should not buy?

We had the same question when we did a remodel/room addition a few years
ago. We decided to go with the old 'basic white' for our situation. The
home was built in the 1940s and while we've updated and modernized things,
we've tried to maintain the original style. Stainless seemed to go
against that trend, so we went with white. I've no regrets to this point.
SS will eventually go out of style just like the gold and green of the
1970s, and the black of the 80s & 90s. But white has lived on throughout!

We chose white as well...Timeless and easy to match if something goes down
and needs replacing in a few years....

mcp6453 wrote in :

We're starting to update our kitchen, since it's over 20 years old.
We're going to start with a new electric stove and dishwasher. Lowes is
having a big sale this weekend. I'm going to install the stove, but I'm
not comfortable doing the dishwasher.

OK


The in thing now is stainless steel. Please look in your crystal ball.
How long is SS going to be in style?


Play it safe and go back to basics.

http://www.silive.com/homegarden/int..._to_befor.html


More importantly, any recommendations or warnings about which appliances
we should or should not buy?


I'd stay away from Norges and wringer washers.

On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 18:58:21 -0500, mcp6453 wrote:

We're starting to update our kitchen, since it's over 20 years old.
We're going to start with a new electric stove and dishwasher. Lowes is
having a big sale this weekend. I'm going to install the stove, but I'm
not comfortable doing the dishwasher.

The in thing now is stainless steel. Please look in your crystal ball.
How long is SS going to be in style?

More importantly, any recommendations or warnings about which appliances
we should or should not buy?


I was just at Lowes looking for a new dishwasher. There is a rebate
when you buy more than one, but one is all I need. Nobody knows how
long SS will be in vogue (I never knew it was). Try to keep your
applicances the same color, a neutral color such as black or white
works well.

The "hot" feature on dishwashers is hidden controls and a large handle
in front. Hard to believe a few are priced over $800 and, really, you
get vary little value paying that much. You can get a quieter washer
for cheap by lining the surrounding with thick cotton/poly batting.

I like Bosch for the quality. KitchenAid or Whirlpool are perhaps
better than average. GE and Kenmore are OK. Probably avoid
Korean/China stuff, though.

I have heard (in here, from among others, hallerb) that Bosch
dishwashers do a great job of cleaning, and are so quiet you can barely
tell if they are running with your ear almost against them, but they are
exteremely unreliable. I don't remember exactly what problems they had,
but they were numerous. Larry

"Lp1331 1p1331" wrote in message
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I have heard (in here, from among others, hallerb) that Bosch
dishwashers do a great job of cleaning, and are so quiet you can barely
tell if they are running with your ear almost against them, but they are
exteremely unreliable. I don't remember exactly what problems they had,
but they were numerous. Larry


My local dealer no longer has them on the floor. Too many service calls.
When they run, the performance is very good, they just break too often he
says.

On Tue, 10 Nov 2009 22:10:22 -0500, "Ed Pawlowski"
wrote:


"Lp1331 1p1331" wrote in message
...
I have heard (in here, from among others, hallerb) that Bosch
dishwashers do a great job of cleaning, and are so quiet you can barely
tell if they are running with your ear almost against them, but they are
exteremely unreliable. I don't remember exactly what problems they had,
but they were numerous. Larry


My local dealer no longer has them on the floor. Too many service calls.
When they run, the performance is very good, they just break too often he
says.



I guess Consumer Reports got it wrong then? Bosch has the best repair
record in dishwashers. Recently I compared many brands, and Bosch
looks and feels like better construction than the other brands.
Top-rated energy effeciency too.

Phisherman wrote:
On Tue, 10 Nov 2009 22:10:22 -0500, "Ed Pawlowski"
wrote:

"Lp1331 1p1331" wrote in message
...
I have heard (in here, from among others, hallerb) that Bosch
dishwashers do a great job of cleaning, and are so quiet you can barely
tell if they are running with your ear almost against them, but they are
exteremely unreliable. I don't remember exactly what problems they had,
but they were numerous. Larry

My local dealer no longer has them on the floor. Too many service calls.
When they run, the performance is very good, they just break too often he
says.



I guess Consumer Reports got it wrong then? Bosch has the best repair
record in dishwashers. Recently I compared many brands, and Bosch
looks and feels like better construction than the other brands.
Top-rated energy effeciency too.

Consumer reports being wrong? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA....

sorry...

as a car guy, I can say that Consumer Reports and I NEVER agree on what
makes a good car. In fact, my favorite cars always have tons of
negatives in CR reports.

That said, my local appliance dealer told me the exact same thing about
Bosch and pushed me towards a Kitchenaid. I have not yet bought a new
dishwasher but I just might soon.

nate

--
replace "roosters" with "cox" to reply.
http://members.cox.net/njnagel

"Phisherman" wrote in message

My local dealer no longer has them on the floor. Too many service calls.
When they run, the performance is very good, they just break too often he
says.



I guess Consumer Reports got it wrong then? Bosch has the best repair
record in dishwashers. Recently I compared many brands, and Bosch
looks and feels like better construction than the other brands.
Top-rated energy effeciency too.

CR gets a lot of stuff wrong IMO. I gave up on them years ago after seeing
far different ratings on the same product with different labels.