At the end of September, we repainted our house which was newly
constructed 9 1/2 years ago. We are in Northern California in the Bay
Area. The weather when it was painted was sunny but cool and dry. We
used Benjamin Moore Low Lustre acrylic Paint for the wood siding and
the Benjamin Moore Semi Gloss acrylic for the trim. The painter power
washed the house and waited about 1 day to dry before painting.

A little over a week after the painting was completed, there was a
big storm and the rains came down quite hard for the whole day. The
next morning, we saw thousands of bubbles clustered around the lower
part of the window trims (especially the sills), on the recaulked
seams, bases of our columns and doors. Bubbles also appeared at the
seams of the sidings and edges of windows that were recaulked and
painted over. The next day after the rains dissipated, the bubbles
disappeared except for a few spots.

Here are pictures of some of the problem areas at
http://picasaweb.google.com/sheepgirl888/PaintProblem#
Most of these pictures were taken when the bubbles first appeared.
Pictures of a column with a quarter taped to the column was taken
after we tried to recreate the problem.

I am asking the painter to come back to look at the problem. The
weather has been nice and dry since. We have tried to recreate the
bubbling by running water over the multiple problem areas for at least
15-20 minutes, but can only recreate the bubbles in a smaller size on
the columns. Is there another way to recreate this scenario so that we
can show the painter what happened?

My questions a
1. What would have caused that? Inappropriate preparation before
the painting?
2. Somebody suggested that because it usually takes a few weeks
for the paint to completely dry, that bubbling occurred because the
paint job had only a week to dry? Is this true?
3. Under the bubbles which formed and now have dried out, is there
still moisture trapped in there. Will this keep reoccuring with every
rain? And if it does, will this eventually cause damage to the wood
trim and siding?
4. What should we ask the painter to do to fix the problem
correctly and prevent future problems?

Thanks in advance for all of your suggestions.

K

"Hun-Yue Wong" wrote in message
...

At the end of September, we repainted our house which was newly
constructed 9 1/2 years ago. We are in Northern California in the Bay
Area. The weather when it was painted was sunny but cool and dry. We
used Benjamin Moore Low Lustre acrylic Paint for the wood siding and
the Benjamin Moore Semi Gloss acrylic for the trim. The painter power
washed the house and waited about 1 day to dry before painting.

A little over a week after the painting was completed, there was a
big storm and the rains came down quite hard for the whole day. The
next morning, we saw thousands of bubbles clustered around the lower
part of the window trims (especially the sills), on the recaulked
seams, bases of our columns and doors. Bubbles also appeared at the
seams of the sidings and edges of windows that were recaulked and
painted over. The next day after the rains dissipated, the bubbles
disappeared except for a few spots.

Here are pictures of some of the problem areas at
http://picasaweb.google.com/sheepgirl888/PaintProblem#
Most of these pictures were taken when the bubbles first appeared.
Pictures of a column with a quarter taped to the column was taken
after we tried to recreate the problem.

I am asking the painter to come back to look at the problem. The
weather has been nice and dry since. We have tried to recreate the
bubbling by running water over the multiple problem areas for at least
15-20 minutes, but can only recreate the bubbles in a smaller size on
the columns. Is there another way to recreate this scenario so that we
can show the painter what happened?

My questions a
1. What would have caused that? Inappropriate preparation before
the painting?
2. Somebody suggested that because it usually takes a few weeks
for the paint to completely dry, that bubbling occurred because the
paint job had only a week to dry? Is this true?
3. Under the bubbles which formed and now have dried out, is there
still moisture trapped in there. Will this keep reoccuring with every
rain? And if it does, will this eventually cause damage to the wood
trim and siding?
4. What should we ask the painter to do to fix the problem
correctly and prevent future problems?

Thanks in advance for all of your suggestions.

K



Latex over oil and skipped the primer step???????????????????

Hun-Yue Wong wrote:
At the end of September, we repainted our house which was newly
constructed 9 1/2 years ago. We are in Northern California in the Bay
Area. The weather when it was painted was sunny but cool and dry. We
used Benjamin Moore Low Lustre acrylic Paint for the wood siding and
the Benjamin Moore Semi Gloss acrylic for the trim. The painter power
washed the house and waited about 1 day to dry before painting.

A little over a week after the painting was completed, there was a
big storm and the rains came down quite hard for the whole day. The
next morning, we saw thousands of bubbles clustered around the lower
part of the window trims (especially the sills), on the recaulked
seams, bases of our columns and doors. Bubbles also appeared at the
seams of the sidings and edges of windows that were recaulked and
painted over. The next day after the rains dissipated, the bubbles
disappeared except for a few spots.

Here are pictures of some of the problem areas at
http://picasaweb.google.com/sheepgirl888/PaintProblem#
Most of these pictures were taken when the bubbles first appeared.
Pictures of a column with a quarter taped to the column was taken
after we tried to recreate the problem.

I am asking the painter to come back to look at the problem. The
weather has been nice and dry since. We have tried to recreate the
bubbling by running water over the multiple problem areas for at least
15-20 minutes, but can only recreate the bubbles in a smaller size on
the columns. Is there another way to recreate this scenario so that we
can show the painter what happened?

My questions a
1. What would have caused that? Inappropriate preparation before
the painting?
2. Somebody suggested that because it usually takes a few weeks
for the paint to completely dry, that bubbling occurred because the
paint job had only a week to dry? Is this true?
3. Under the bubbles which formed and now have dried out, is there
still moisture trapped in there. Will this keep reoccuring with every
rain? And if it does, will this eventually cause damage to the wood
trim and siding?
4. What should we ask the painter to do to fix the problem
correctly and prevent future problems?

Thanks in advance for all of your suggestions.

K

The issue was just discussed in detail under subject "Bubble on stucco
wall after raining", dated 10/13.

"About one day" is not long enough to wait between pressure washing and
painting. Since you experienced problems immediately after the storm,
it certainly suggests that the bubbles are storm related. Call your
insurance company - don't tell them the painter goofed. Read the other
posts for details of the discussion.

The link below is to the website for your product. You can contact Ben
Moore, too:
http://benjaminmoore.com/bmpsweb/por... _findproducts

Hun-Yue Wong wrote:
At the end of September, we repainted our house which was newly
constructed 9 1/2 years ago. We are in Northern California in the Bay
Area. The weather when it was painted was sunny but cool and dry. We
used Benjamin Moore Low Lustre acrylic Paint for the wood siding and
the Benjamin Moore Semi Gloss acrylic for the trim. The painter power
washed the house and waited about 1 day to dry before painting.

A little over a week after the painting was completed, there was a
big storm and the rains came down quite hard for the whole day. The
next morning, we saw thousands of bubbles clustered around the lower
part of the window trims (especially the sills), on the recaulked
seams, bases of our columns and doors. Bubbles also appeared at the
seams of the sidings and edges of windows that were recaulked and
painted over. The next day after the rains dissipated, the bubbles
disappeared except for a few spots.

Here are pictures of some of the problem areas at
http://picasaweb.google.com/sheepgirl888/PaintProblem#
Most of these pictures were taken when the bubbles first appeared.
Pictures of a column with a quarter taped to the column was taken
after we tried to recreate the problem.

I am asking the painter to come back to look at the problem. The
weather has been nice and dry since. We have tried to recreate the
bubbling by running water over the multiple problem areas for at least
15-20 minutes, but can only recreate the bubbles in a smaller size on
the columns. Is there another way to recreate this scenario so that we
can show the painter what happened?

My questions a
1. What would have caused that? Inappropriate preparation before
the painting?
2. Somebody suggested that because it usually takes a few weeks
for the paint to completely dry, that bubbling occurred because the
paint job had only a week to dry? Is this true?
3. Under the bubbles which formed and now have dried out, is there
still moisture trapped in there. Will this keep reoccuring with every
rain? And if it does, will this eventually cause damage to the wood
trim and siding?
4. What should we ask the painter to do to fix the problem
correctly and prevent future problems?

Thanks in advance for all of your suggestions.

K

http://benjaminmoore.com/bmpsweb/por...el=fh_learnhow

Hun-Yue Wong wrote:
At the end of September, we repainted our house which was newly
constructed 9 1/2 years ago. We are in Northern California in the Bay
Area. The weather when it was painted was sunny but cool and dry. We
used Benjamin Moore Low Lustre acrylic Paint for the wood siding and
the Benjamin Moore Semi Gloss acrylic for the trim. The painter power
washed the house and waited about 1 day to dry before painting.

A little over a week after the painting was completed, there was a
big storm and the rains came down quite hard for the whole day. The
next morning, we saw thousands of bubbles clustered around the lower
part of the window trims (especially the sills), on the recaulked
seams, bases of our columns and doors. Bubbles also appeared at the
seams of the sidings and edges of windows that were recaulked and
painted over. The next day after the rains dissipated, the bubbles
disappeared except for a few spots.

Here are pictures of some of the problem areas at
http://picasaweb.google.com/sheepgirl888/PaintProblem#
Most of these pictures were taken when the bubbles first appeared.
Pictures of a column with a quarter taped to the column was taken
after we tried to recreate the problem.

I am asking the painter to come back to look at the problem. The
weather has been nice and dry since. We have tried to recreate the
bubbling by running water over the multiple problem areas for at least
15-20 minutes, but can only recreate the bubbles in a smaller size on
the columns. Is there another way to recreate this scenario so that we
can show the painter what happened?

My questions a
1. What would have caused that? Inappropriate preparation before
the painting?
2. Somebody suggested that because it usually takes a few weeks
for the paint to completely dry, that bubbling occurred because the
paint job had only a week to dry? Is this true?
3. Under the bubbles which formed and now have dried out, is there
still moisture trapped in there. Will this keep reoccuring with every
rain? And if it does, will this eventually cause damage to the wood
trim and siding?
4. What should we ask the painter to do to fix the problem
correctly and prevent future problems?

Thanks in advance for all of your suggestions.

K

Hmmm,
Sounds like hasty paint job. After power washing wall can't dry in a
day. What was original paint?

On Oct 18, 12:23*pm, Hun-Yue Wong wrote:
At the end of September, we repainted our house which was newly
constructed 9 1/2 years ago. We are in Northern California in the Bay
Area. The weather when it was painted was sunny but cool and dry. We
used Benjamin Moore Low Lustre acrylic Paint for the wood siding and
the Benjamin Moore Semi Gloss acrylic for the trim. The painter power
washed the house and waited about 1 day to dry before painting.

* * A little over a week after the painting was completed, there was a
big storm and the rains came down quite hard for the whole day. The
next morning, we saw thousands of bubbles clustered around the lower
part of the window trims (especially the sills), on the recaulked
seams, bases of our columns and doors. Bubbles also appeared at the
seams of the sidings and edges of windows that were recaulked and
painted over. The next day after the rains dissipated, the bubbles
disappeared except for a few spots.

Here are pictures of some of the problem areas athttp://picasaweb.google.com/sheepgirl888/PaintProblem#
Most of these pictures were taken when the bubbles first appeared.
Pictures of a column with a quarter taped to the column was taken
after we tried to recreate the problem.

I am asking the painter to come back to look at the problem. The
weather has been nice and dry since. We have tried to recreate the
bubbling by running water over the multiple problem areas for at least
15-20 minutes, but can only recreate the bubbles in a smaller size on
the columns. Is there another way to recreate this scenario so that we
can show the painter what happened?

* * My questions a
* * 1. What would have caused that? *Inappropriate preparation before
the painting?
* * 2. Somebody suggested that because it usually takes a few weeks
for the paint to completely dry, that bubbling occurred because the
paint job had only a week to dry? Is this true?
* * 3. Under the bubbles which formed and now have dried out, is there
still moisture trapped in there. Will this keep reoccuring with every
rain? And if it does, will this eventually cause damage to the wood
trim and siding?
* * 4. What should we ask the painter to do to fix the problem
correctly and prevent future problems?

* * Thanks in advance for all of your suggestions.

* * K

What kind of response do you expect from the painter, I bet it will be
along the line of, "I dont know it must be defective paint I did
everything right". Some of the areas look like water could now be
entering from behind, cut open bubbles to see if any water is in them
indicating it could be your issue. Did he paint over gloss oil, did he
paint in sun or a sun heated surface. Ben Moore has local reps that
might come over, they do have a lab you can ship a piece of wood with
bubbling paint to, that will be conclusive as to reason of failure. I
painted for years and cant remember that happening, it might be
several things that happened like wet wood and sun, wet as in wet from
old leaks and pressure washing, but bubbled areas never bonded.

At the end of September, we repainted our house which was newly
constructed 9 1/2 years ago. We are in Northern California in the Bay
Area. The weather when it was painted was sunny but cool and dry. We
used Benjamin Moore Low Lustre acrylic Paint for the wood siding and
the Benjamin Moore Semi Gloss acrylic for the trim. The painter power
washed the house and waited about 1 day to dry before painting.

A little over a week after the painting was completed, there was a
big storm and the rains came down quite hard for the whole day. The
next morning, we saw thousands of bubbles clustered around the lower
part of the window trims (especially the sills), on the recaulked
seams, bases of our columns and doors. Bubbles also appeared at the
seams of the sidings and edges of windows that were recaulked and
painted over. The next day after the rains dissipated, the bubbles
disappeared except for a few spots.

Here are pictures of some of the problem areas at
http://picasaweb.google.com/sheepgirl888/PaintProblem#
Most of these pictures were taken when the bubbles first appeared.
Pictures of a column with a quarter taped to the column was taken
after we tried to recreate the problem.

I am asking the painter to come back to look at the problem. The
weather has been nice and dry since. We have tried to recreate the
bubbling by running water over the multiple problem areas for at least
15-20 minutes, but can only recreate the bubbles in a smaller size on
the columns. Is there another way to recreate this scenario so that we
can show the painter what happened?

My questions a
1. What would have caused that? Inappropriate preparation before
the painting?
2. Somebody suggested that because it usually takes a few weeks
for the paint to completely dry, that bubbling occurred because the
paint job had only a week to dry? Is this true?
3. Under the bubbles which formed and now have dried out, is there
still moisture trapped in there. Will this keep reoccuring with every
rain? And if it does, will this eventually cause damage to the wood
trim and siding?
4. What should we ask the painter to do to fix the problem
correctly and prevent future problems?

Thanks in advance for all of your suggestions.


*Take your pictures over to the paint store where you got the paint and see
what they say.

My thoughts are that one day was not enough for the house to dry after
power washing. Also could be a compatibility problem with the old paint.
You didn't say if primer was used or not, but I am wondering if a second
coat of paint was applied before the first coat or primer fully cured.

It remains to be seen if this will continue or not. The problem may
eventually stop, but I wonder if the bubble areas will ever adhere properly
and last as long as the rest of the house.

Hi,

Most of the bubbling is occuring was previously painted with semi-
gloss Moorgard paint- It was an acrylic paint.

Before the painting they were supposed to prime it and do two layers
of new semi gloss Benjamin Moore paint. Sounds to me from all the
feedback that he might have missed the priming step or not allowed the
primer to completely dry before adding the other coats on.

As for the initial powerwash, how long do painters usually wait?

Thanks for your feedback.

Kimberley

On Oct 18, 12:51*pm, Tony Hwang wrote:
Hun-Yue Wong wrote:
At the end of September, we repainted our house which was newly
constructed 9 1/2 years ago. We are in Northern California in the Bay
Area. The weather when it was painted was sunny but cool and dry. We
used Benjamin Moore Low Lustre acrylic Paint for the wood siding and
the Benjamin Moore Semi Gloss acrylic for the trim. The painter power
washed the house and waited about 1 day to dry before painting.

* * A little over a week after the painting was completed, there was a
big storm and the rains came down quite hard for the whole day. The
next morning, we saw thousands of bubbles clustered around the lower
part of the window trims (especially the sills), on the recaulked
seams, bases of our columns and doors. Bubbles also appeared at the
seams of the sidings and edges of windows that were recaulked and
painted over. The next day after the rains dissipated, the bubbles
disappeared except for a few spots.

Here are pictures of some of the problem areas at
http://picasaweb.google.com/sheepgirl888/PaintProblem#
Most of these pictures were taken when the bubbles first appeared.
Pictures of a column with a quarter taped to the column was taken
after we tried to recreate the problem.

I am asking the painter to come back to look at the problem. The
weather has been nice and dry since. We have tried to recreate the
bubbling by running water over the multiple problem areas for at least
15-20 minutes, but can only recreate the bubbles in a smaller size on
the columns. Is there another way to recreate this scenario so that we
can show the painter what happened?

* * My questions a
* * 1. What would have caused that? *Inappropriate preparation before
the painting?
* * 2. Somebody suggested that because it usually takes a few weeks
for the paint to completely dry, that bubbling occurred because the
paint job had only a week to dry? Is this true?
* * 3. Under the bubbles which formed and now have dried out, is there
still moisture trapped in there. Will this keep reoccuring with every
rain? And if it does, will this eventually cause damage to the wood
trim and siding?
* * 4. What should we ask the painter to do to fix the problem
correctly and prevent future problems?

* * Thanks in advance for all of your suggestions.

* * K

Hmmm,
Sounds like hasty paint job. After power washing wall can't dry in a
day. What was original paint?

On Oct 18, 8:36*pm, "John Grabowski" wrote:
At the end of September, we repainted our house which was newly
constructed 9 1/2 years ago. We are in Northern California in the Bay
Area. The weather when it was painted was sunny but cool and dry. We
used Benjamin Moore Low Lustre acrylic Paint for the wood siding and
the Benjamin Moore Semi Gloss acrylic for the trim. The painter power
washed the house and waited about 1 day to dry before painting.

* *A little over a week after the painting was completed, there was a
big storm and the rains came down quite hard for the whole day. The
next morning, we saw thousands of bubbles clustered around the lower
part of the window trims (especially the sills), on the recaulked
seams, bases of our columns and doors. Bubbles also appeared at the
seams of the sidings and edges of windows that were recaulked and
painted over. The next day after the rains dissipated, the bubbles
disappeared except for a few spots.

Here are pictures of some of the problem areas at
http://picasaweb.google.com/sheepgirl888/PaintProblem#
Most of these pictures were taken when the bubbles first appeared.
Pictures of a column with a quarter taped to the column was taken
after we tried to recreate the problem.

I am asking the painter to come back to look at the problem. The
weather has been nice and dry since. We have tried to recreate the
bubbling by running water over the multiple problem areas for at least
15-20 minutes, but can only recreate the bubbles in a smaller size on
the columns. Is there another way to recreate this scenario so that we
can show the painter what happened?

* *My questions a
* *1. What would have caused that? *Inappropriate preparation before
the painting?
* *2. Somebody suggested that because it usually takes a few weeks
for the paint to completely dry, that bubbling occurred because the
paint job had only a week to dry? Is this true?
* *3. Under the bubbles which formed and now have dried out, is there
still moisture trapped in there. Will this keep reoccuring with every
rain? And if it does, will this eventually cause damage to the wood
trim and siding?
* *4. What should we ask the painter to do to fix the problem
correctly and prevent future problems?

* *Thanks in advance for all of your suggestions.

*Take your pictures over to the paint store where you got the paint and see
what they say.

My thoughts are that one day was not enough for the *house to dry after
power washing. *Also could be a compatibility problem with the old paint.

"Hun-Yue Wong" wrote in message
...

At the end of September, we repainted our house which was newly
constructed 9 1/2 years ago. We are in Northern California in the Bay
Area. The weather when it was painted was sunny but cool and dry. We
used Benjamin Moore Low Lustre acrylic Paint for the wood siding and
the Benjamin Moore Semi Gloss acrylic for the trim. The painter power
washed the house and waited about 1 day to dry before painting.

A little over a week after the painting was completed, there was a
big storm and the rains came down quite hard for the whole day. The
next morning, we saw thousands of bubbles clustered around the lower
part of the window trims (especially the sills), on the recaulked
seams, bases of our columns and doors. Bubbles also appeared at the
seams of the sidings and edges of windows that were recaulked and
painted over. The next day after the rains dissipated, the bubbles
disappeared except for a few spots.

Here are pictures of some of the problem areas at
http://picasaweb.google.com/sheepgirl888/PaintProblem#
Most of these pictures were taken when the bubbles first appeared.
Pictures of a column with a quarter taped to the column was taken
after we tried to recreate the problem.

I am asking the painter to come back to look at the problem. The
weather has been nice and dry since. We have tried to recreate the
bubbling by running water over the multiple problem areas for at least
15-20 minutes, but can only recreate the bubbles in a smaller size on
the columns. Is there another way to recreate this scenario so that we
can show the painter what happened?

My questions a
1. What would have caused that? Inappropriate preparation before
the painting?
2. Somebody suggested that because it usually takes a few weeks
for the paint to completely dry, that bubbling occurred because the
paint job had only a week to dry? Is this true?
3. Under the bubbles which formed and now have dried out, is there
still moisture trapped in there. Will this keep reoccuring with every
rain? And if it does, will this eventually cause damage to the wood
trim and siding?
4. What should we ask the painter to do to fix the problem
correctly and prevent future problems?

Thanks in advance for all of your suggestions.

K

I've had a similar problem without having power-washed the house. It is
generally simply the hard rain so soon after painting. In my case, left
alone the bubbles shrank (shrunk?) back and adhered fine. There were a few
areas where they were particularly bad that there were some that left 'sags'
that you only saw when looking really close.

Hun-Yue Wong wrote:
At the end of September, we repainted our house which was newly
constructed 9 1/2 years ago. We are in Northern California in the Bay
Area. The weather when it was painted was sunny but cool and dry. We
used Benjamin Moore Low Lustre acrylic Paint for the wood siding and
the Benjamin Moore Semi Gloss acrylic for the trim. The painter power
washed the house and waited about 1 day to dry before painting.

A little over a week after the painting was completed, there was a
big storm and the rains came down quite hard for the whole day. The
next morning, we saw thousands of bubbles clustered around the lower
part of the window trims (especially the sills), on the recaulked
seams, bases of our columns and doors. Bubbles also appeared at the
seams of the sidings and edges of windows that were recaulked and
painted over. The next day after the rains dissipated, the bubbles
disappeared except for a few spots.

Here are pictures of some of the problem areas at
http://picasaweb.google.com/sheepgirl888/PaintProblem#
Most of these pictures were taken when the bubbles first appeared.
Pictures of a column with a quarter taped to the column was taken
after we tried to recreate the problem.

I am asking the painter to come back to look at the problem. The
weather has been nice and dry since. We have tried to recreate the
bubbling by running water over the multiple problem areas for at least
15-20 minutes, but can only recreate the bubbles in a smaller size on
the columns. Is there another way to recreate this scenario so that we
can show the painter what happened?

My questions a
1. What would have caused that? Inappropriate preparation before
the painting?
2. Somebody suggested that because it usually takes a few weeks
for the paint to completely dry, that bubbling occurred because the
paint job had only a week to dry? Is this true?
3. Under the bubbles which formed and now have dried out, is there
still moisture trapped in there. Will this keep reoccuring with every
rain? And if it does, will this eventually cause damage to the wood
trim and siding?
4. What should we ask the painter to do to fix the problem
correctly and prevent future problems?

Thanks in advance for all of your suggestions.

K

I had not looked at your photos prior to posting last time. The
captions of your photos give inportant clues....leads me to believe more
that the main issue is that the wood did not dry sufficiently after
being pressure washed. Most important clue leading to that conclusion
is that blisters appear to occur more at seams and end grain....water or
solvent absorbs more quickly into the end grain than into rest of
surface. One day between pressure washing and painting is not enough,
whether wood or masonry surface. Needs at least two days of dry
weather, preferably longer. Given that important error, I would expect
that the painter took other shortcuts. Painting too soon over caulking
may also be an issue. Do you have a written contract? Painter is
licensed? Painting in hot sun may also be a factor, as the paint skin
forms too quickly and traps solvent/water (depends on type of paint)
before it escapes via normal curing.

It's my belief that any contracted work that is unsatisfactory should be
addressed in writing to the contractor...write a nice business letter,
clearly list your concerns and the date on which the problem became
evident, and send letter certified mail to the contractor.

With so much blistering, and blisters so close together, I would expect
the paint to peel in those areas.

PS: How did you "recreate" bubbling two weeks later? Wet surface and
paint over? Wet with forceful stream water?