HeyBub wrote:
"State and local officials are now wrestling over whether to adopt building
codes that would require sprinklers in every new home and townhome starting
in 2011 amid intense lobbying from both sides."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090918/...ome_sprinklers

The most important thing is that fire sprinklers are nothing like we see
on TV and movies.


1) If one sprinkler goes off it does not trigger other sprinklers.

2) The sprinklers emit more of a mist then a "sprinkle" and cause less
then 2% water damage than a fire hose in a similar situation.

On Fri, 18 Sep 2009 09:05:20 -0400, Art Todesco
wrote:

HeyBub wrote:
"State and local officials are now wrestling over whether to adopt building
codes that would require sprinklers in every new home and townhome starting
in 2011 amid intense lobbying from both sides."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090918/...ome_sprinklers


Sounds like my former town in Illinois.
I have seen sprinklers by the furnace
and water heaters in some houses. Maybe
it was only attached townhouses,

Until I read this, I thought Bub was talking about lawn spnklers, and
it was like homeowners associations gone wild and infected the whole
state.

I thought there was going to be a local law that everyone had to have
a green lawn.

mm wrote:
On Fri, 18 Sep 2009 09:05:20 -0400, Art Todesco
wrote:

HeyBub wrote:
"State and local officials are now wrestling over whether to adopt
building codes that would require sprinklers in every new home and
townhome starting in 2011 amid intense lobbying from both sides."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090918/...ome_sprinklers


Sounds like my former town in Illinois.
I have seen sprinklers by the furnace
and water heaters in some houses. Maybe
it was only attached townhouses,

Until I read this, I thought Bub was talking about lawn spnklers, and
it was like homeowners associations gone wild and infected the whole
state.

I thought there was going to be a local law that everyone had to have
a green lawn.

Hmm, now that I think on it...

In some places (California comes to mind) fire suppression systems may be
appropriate for lawns.

It's for the children.

Stormin Mormon wrote:
Thanks, you're exactly correct. Of course, those aren't
often used in residences.


Neither are any kind of sprinklers. Only the stroke of a pen is required to
make them mandatory.

It's for the children.

"The pen is mightier than the brain".

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
..


"HeyBub" wrote in message
...
Stormin Mormon wrote:
Thanks, you're exactly correct. Of course, those aren't
often used in residences.


Neither are any kind of sprinklers. Only the stroke of a pen
is required to
make them mandatory.

It's for the children.

In article ,
"HeyBub" wrote:

Stormin Mormon wrote:
Thanks, you're exactly correct. Of course, those aren't
often used in residences.


Neither are any kind of sprinklers. Only the stroke of a pen is required to
make them mandatory.

YOU have such a vivid imagination at times.

--
"Politics should be limited in its scope to war,
protection of property, and the occasional
precautionary beheading of a member of the ruling class."
-P.J. O'Rourke

On Sun, 20 Sep 2009 00:25:51 -0400, Tony
wrote:

HeyBub wrote:
"State and local officials are now wrestling over whether to adopt building
codes that would require sprinklers in every new home and townhome starting
in 2011 amid intense lobbying from both sides."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090918/...ome_sprinklers

The most important thing is that fire sprinklers are nothing like we see
on TV and movies.


1) If one sprinkler goes off it does not trigger other sprinklers.

2) The sprinklers emit more of a mist then a "sprinkle" and cause less
then 2% water damage than a fire hose in a similar situation.

Here is a short youtube video from the Fresno CA Fire Department.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qqIE5lnsGrw

"Van Chocstraw" wrote in message
...
HeyBub wrote:
"State and local officials are now wrestling over whether to adopt
building codes that would require sprinklers in every new home and
townhome starting in 2011 amid intense lobbying from both sides."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090918/...ome_sprinklers
Another needless expense that the majority will NEVER need.

There are statistics on where the most fires start. Seems that heater rooms
and kitchens would probably be well served, but that is not where the deaths
are caused
84% of all civilian fire deaths resulted from home structure fires.
a.. Cooking is the leading cause of home structure fires and home fire
injuries.
a.. Kitchens are the leading area of origin for home structure fires (40%)
and civilian home fire injuries (36%).
Only 4% of home fires started in the living room, family room, or den; these
fires caused 24% of home fire deaths..

What is of interest is this:
Almost two-thirds (63%) of reported home fire deaths resulted from fires in
homes with no smoke alarms or no working smoke alarms.
Putting smoke detectors in and maintaining them is going to do more to save
lives than sprinklers. The people that won't pay $1 to buy a new battery
are not going to pay $5000 for sprinklers.

http://www.nfpa.org/categoryList.asp...fire%20problem

In 2008, there were 1,451,500 fires reported in the United States (down 7%
from 2007). These fires caused 3,320 civilian deaths, 16,705 civilian
injuries, and $15.5 billion in property damage.



This is probably considered racist, but it is a fact

Characteristics of Home Fire Victims Fact Sheet

In the U.S., based on 2002-2005 experience data,

.. The very old and the very young are at highest risk of death from

home fires.

.. Males are at a higher risk of death and injury from home fires than

females.

.. Black individuals are at a higher risk of death from home fires

than Whites or Hispanics, who are at higher risk than Asian-

Americans.

a.. 515,000 were structure fires (down 3% from 2007), causing 2,900
civilian deaths, 14,960 civilian injuries, and $12.4 billion in property
damage.
b.. 236,000 were vehicle fires (down 9% from 2007), causing 365 civilian
fire deaths, 1,065 civilian fire injuries, and $1.5 billion in property
damage.
c.. 700,500 were outside and other fires (down 9% from 2007), causing 55
civilian fire deaths, 680 civilian fire injuries, and $0.2 billion in
property damage.

On Sep 20, 6:15*pm, Van Chocstraw
wrote:
Ed Pawlowski wrote:
"Van Chocstraw" wrote in message
m...
HeyBub wrote:
"State and local officials are now wrestling over whether to adopt
building codes that would require sprinklers in every new home and
townhome starting in 2011 amid intense lobbying from both sides."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090918/...ome_sprinklers
Another needless expense that the majority will NEVER need.

There are statistics on where the most fires start. *Seems that heater rooms
and kitchens would probably be well served, but that is not where the deaths
are caused
84% of all civilian fire deaths resulted from home structure fires.
a.. Cooking is the leading cause of home structure fires and home fire
injuries.
a.. Kitchens are the leading area of origin for home structure fires (40%)
and civilian home fire injuries (36%).
Only 4% of home fires started in the living room, family room, or den; these
fires caused 24% of home fire deaths..

People are killed by smoke inhalation, not fires. Sprinklers just make
more smoke.

If ignorance is bliss you must be one happy fellow. In actual fires
bedridden patients, in the same room as the fire origin, survive fires
suppressed by automatic fire sprinklers. This is why the Joint
Commission on Accreditation of Hospitals (JCAH) requires sprinklers in
all custodial health care facilities. To have smoke kill you the fire
has to burn long enough to generate the type of smoke that does the
killing. Since sprinklers extinguish the fire while there is still
plenty of Oxygen in the compartment of origin the carbon monoxide and
hydrogen cyanide gasses that would kill you are never produced in
sufficient quantities to kill.

It is a legitimate exercise of the police power of the state to
protect your neighbors from your actions. Requiring residential
automatic sprinklers limits the effect of hostile fires to the
compartment of origin. That eliminates any chance of the fire
spreading to your neighbors home, limits the need for public spending
for fire protection, and minimizes the effects of such fires on the
community as a whole. Automatic Fire sprinklers are the least cost
means of providing a community with effective fire protection. It
also shifts the burden of providing the protection to the owners of
the properties to be protected and off of the taxpayers. Large
buildings which require the most fire protection incur the most fire
protection cost. Tax exempt properties can still be required to
protect themselves even if they are behind the religious shield. Fire
Sprinkler laws are the single most effective way to make those who
build the structure provide the means to prevent that structure from
becoming a fire protection burden on the rest of the community.

--
Tom Horne, speaking only for himself

In article ,
Van Chocstraw wrote:

People are killed by smoke inhalation, not fires. Sprinklers just make
more smoke.

Nope. Smoke comes from incomplete combustion, not stopped combustion.

--
"Politics should be limited in its scope to war,
protection of property, and the occasional
precautionary beheading of a member of the ruling class."
-P.J. O'Rourke

In article ,
Van Chocstraw wrote:

People die from smoke inhalation not lack of oxygen . ,

Nobody dies from smoke inhalation, despite what the papers say. They
die from lack of oxygen related to high levels of carbon monoxide and
its higher affinity for hemoglobin essentially "kicking off" oxygen
molecules. They die from burns to the lungs and other tissues. They
sometimes die from the various nasty gases (such as phosgene and the
ever popular cyanide) that are given off as products of combustion.

--
"Politics should be limited in its scope to war,
protection of property, and the occasional
precautionary beheading of a member of the ruling class."
-P.J. O'Rourke