"[WASHINGTON] If you're planning a garage sale or organizing a church
bazaar, you'd best bewa You could be breaking a new federal law. As part
of a campaign called Resale Roundup, the federal government is cracking down
on the secondhand sales of dangerous and defective products. "

"... a spokesman for the agency, said it wouldn't be dispatching
bureaucratic storm troopers into private homes to see whether people were
selling recalled products from their garages, yards or churches."

Remember, though, it's not against the law for the government to lie to us.

It's for the children.

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/226/story/74102.html

On Aug 21, 10:49*pm, "HeyBub" wrote:
"[WASHINGTON] If you're planning a garage sale or organizing a church
bazaar, you'd best bewa You could be breaking a new federal law. As part
of a campaign called Resale Roundup, the federal government is cracking down
on the secondhand sales of dangerous and defective products. "

"... a spokesman for the agency, said it wouldn't be dispatching
bureaucratic storm troopers into private homes to see whether people were
selling recalled products from their garages, yards or churches."

Remember, though, it's not against the law for the government to lie to us.

It's for the children.

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/226/story/74102.html

Yeah, You cat't do nothing anymore.

wrote:
On Aug 21, 10:49 pm, "HeyBub" wrote:
"[WASHINGTON] If you're planning a garage sale or organizing a church
bazaar, you'd best bewa You could be breaking a new federal law. As part
of a campaign called Resale Roundup, the federal government is cracking down
on the secondhand sales of dangerous and defective products. "

"... a spokesman for the agency, said it wouldn't be dispatching
bureaucratic storm troopers into private homes to see whether people were
selling recalled products from their garages, yards or churches."

Remember, though, it's not against the law for the government to lie to us.

It's for the children.

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/226/story/74102.html

Yeah, You cat't do nothing anymore.

Another example of a government agency without enough to do. They create
problems out of situations where no problem exists in order to justify
their existence.

EJ in NJ

EJ Willson wrote:
wrote:
On Aug 21, 10:49 pm, "HeyBub" wrote:
"[WASHINGTON] If you're planning a garage sale or organizing a church
bazaar, you'd best bewa You could be breaking a new federal law.
As part
of a campaign called Resale Roundup, the federal government is
cracking down
on the secondhand sales of dangerous and defective products. "

"... a spokesman for the agency, said it wouldn't be dispatching
bureaucratic storm troopers into private homes to see whether people
were
selling recalled products from their garages, yards or churches."

Remember, though, it's not against the law for the government to lie
to us.

It's for the children.

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/226/story/74102.html

Yeah, You cat't do nothing anymore.

Another example of a government agency without enough to do. They create
problems out of situations where no problem exists in order to justify
their existence.

EJ in NJ

"The Resale Roundup is being enforced under the Consumer Product Safety
Improvement Act, which Congress passed and President George W. Bush
signed into law last year."

On Aug 21, 9:49*pm, "HeyBub" wrote:
"[WASHINGTON] If you're planning a garage sale or organizing a church
bazaar, you'd best bewa You could be breaking a new federal law. As part
of a campaign called Resale Roundup, the federal government is cracking down
on the secondhand sales of dangerous and defective products. "

"... a spokesman for the agency, said it wouldn't be dispatching
bureaucratic storm troopers into private homes to see whether people were
selling recalled products from their garages, yards or churches."

Remember, though, it's not against the law for the government to lie to us.

It's for the children.

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/226/story/74102.html

Weapons are ok, right. So get fined 1000$ for selling a bad toaster,
but not one off the list that actualy shorts out and burns, freakin
ass hole Lawyers.

"The Resale Roundup is being enforced under the Consumer Product Safety
Improvement Act, which Congress passed and President George W. Bush signed
into law last year."

Signed in by G.W. / Run amuck under Obama.

cm

ransley wrote:
On Aug 21, 9:49 pm, "HeyBub" wrote:
"[WASHINGTON] If you're planning a garage sale or organizing a church
bazaar, you'd best bewa You could be breaking a new federal law.
As part of a campaign called Resale Roundup, the federal government
is cracking down on the secondhand sales of dangerous and defective
products. "

"... a spokesman for the agency, said it wouldn't be dispatching
bureaucratic storm troopers into private homes to see whether people
were selling recalled products from their garages, yards or
churches."

Remember, though, it's not against the law for the government to lie
to us.

It's for the children.

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/226/story/74102.html

Weapons are ok, right. So get fined 1000$ for selling a bad toaster,
but not one off the list that actualy shorts out and burns, freakin
ass hole Lawyers.

Did you miss the part about "It's for the children"?

cm wrote:
"The Resale Roundup is being enforced under the Consumer Product Safety
Improvement Act, which Congress passed and President George W. Bush signed
into law last year."

Signed in by G.W. / Run amuck under Obama.

cm


Staffers for the federal agency are fanning out across the country to
conduct training seminars on the regulations at dozens of thrift shops.

"Even before this law, we had good mechanisms in place for pulling
recalled products," said Jim Gibbons, the chief executive of Goodwill.
"The law just kicks it up a notch, so Goodwills around the country will
continue to improve our process."

*****

Scott Wolfson, a spokesman for the agency, said it wouldn't be
dispatching bureaucratic storm troopers into private homes to see
whether people were selling recalled products from their garages, yards
or churches.

"We're not looking to come across as being heavy-handed," he said. "We
want to make sure that everybody knows what the rules of engagement are
to help spur greater compliance, so that enforcement becomes less of an
issue. But we're still going to enforce."

The agency is working with eBay, Wolfson said, to help the online sales
giant install software filters that will flag auction items subject to
manufacturers' recalls.

The commission's Internet surveillance unit is monitoring Craigslist and
other "top auction and reselling sites" for recalled goods. If the
agency discovers that a recalled product has been sold online, it will
try to find and inform the buyer, Wolfson said.

*****

Adele Meyer is the executive director of the National Association of
Resale and Thrift Shops, which represents more than 1,100 store owners.

"Even before it was criminal to resell recalled goods, our members have
always been diligent because children's safety is always foremost in
their minds," she said. "But having consumers look out for recalled
products that are sold at garage sales and flea markets, that is a
problem, and hopefully this law will help."

On Aug 22, 2:11*pm, E Z Peaces wrote:
cm wrote:
"The Resale Roundup is being enforced under the Consumer Product Safety
Improvement Act, which Congress passed and President George W. Bush signed
into law last year."

Signed in by G.W. / Run amuck under Obama.

cm

Staffers for the federal agency are fanning out across the country to
conduct training seminars on the regulations at dozens of thrift shops.

"Even before this law, we had good mechanisms in place for pulling
recalled products," said Jim Gibbons, the chief executive of Goodwill.
"The law just kicks it up a notch, so Goodwills around the country will
continue to improve our process."

*****

Scott Wolfson, a spokesman for the agency, said it wouldn't be
dispatching bureaucratic storm troopers into private homes to see
whether people were selling recalled products from their garages, yards
or churches.

"We're not looking to come across as being heavy-handed," he said. "We
want to make sure that everybody knows what the rules of engagement are
to help spur greater compliance, so that enforcement becomes less of an
issue. But we're still going to enforce."

The agency is working with eBay, Wolfson said, to help the online sales
giant install software filters that will flag auction items subject to
manufacturers' recalls.

The commission's Internet surveillance unit is monitoring Craigslist and
other "top auction and reselling sites" for recalled goods. If the
agency discovers that a recalled product has been sold online, it will
try to find and inform the buyer, Wolfson said.

*****

Adele Meyer is the executive director of the National Association of
Resale and Thrift Shops, which represents more than 1,100 store owners.

"Even before it was criminal to resell recalled goods, our members have
always been diligent because children's safety is always foremost in
their minds," she said. "But having consumers look out for recalled
products that are sold at garage sales and flea markets, that is a
problem, and hopefully this law will help."

Interesting because when you first buy thing something in some
countries they have 'Fitness for use ' legislation.
This makes sure that if you buy, say, a toaster or any other appliance
or service, but it burns out after too short a time or doesn't work as
it should, regardless of what warranty is offered, the supplier/
manufacturer MUST ether replace or repair.

USA and Canada don't have that legislation; which is designed to
ensure sale of products 'Fit for the use intended' and fit to be used
safely and for a suitable period of time. In other words to ensure
'you get your money's worth'!

What's idea of this USA check on used goods? To force more goods out
of the market in order to import more stuff
from ....................... ???? Or to try and collect sales tax,
again. on items that were retailed years ago!

One supposes there is always some risk (may not work properly) when
buying at a flea market or fundraising church-basement sale. That's
where judgement comes into play. We bought an electric drill for a few
bucks, once. It failed quite quickly but was happy to take some parts
off it to fix another older and broken one. And old light fixtures and
table lamps can sometimes be rebuilt more artistically and fitted with
modern bulbs.
And gee; a large percentage of our furniture was bought second hand
and or fixed/up.
And a used dartboard or fishing pole, or model train set or old books/
magazines are just 'previously used items'. Whether we bought them at
a yard sale for a buck or two or they were given to us by uncle Joe!

stan wrote:

Staffers for the federal agency are fanning out across the country to
conduct training seminars on the regulations at dozens of thrift shops.

"Even before this law, we had good mechanisms in place for pulling
recalled products," said Jim Gibbons, the chief executive of Goodwill.
"The law just kicks it up a notch, so Goodwills around the country will
continue to improve our process."

Interesting because when you first buy thing something in some
countries they have 'Fitness for use ' legislation.
This makes sure that if you buy, say, a toaster or any other appliance
or service, but it burns out after too short a time or doesn't work as
it should, regardless of what warranty is offered, the supplier/
manufacturer MUST ether replace or repair.

USA and Canada don't have that legislation; which is designed to
ensure sale of products 'Fit for the use intended' and fit to be used
safely and for a suitable period of time. In other words to ensure
'you get your money's worth'!

What's idea of this USA check on used goods? To force more goods out
of the market in order to import more stuff
from ....................... ???? Or to try and collect sales tax,
again. on items that were retailed years ago!

Maybe Canada is different, but in every US State with which I am
familiar, sales tax is payable on used items sold by a business (not at
a garage sale).

One supposes there is always some risk (may not work properly) when
buying at a flea market or fundraising church-basement sale. That's
where judgement comes into play. We bought an electric drill for a few
bucks, once. It failed quite quickly but was happy to take some parts
off it to fix another older and broken one. And old light fixtures and
table lamps can sometimes be rebuilt more artistically and fitted with
modern bulbs.
And gee; a large percentage of our furniture was bought second hand
and or fixed/up.
And a used dartboard or fishing pole, or model train set or old books/
magazines are just 'previously used items'. Whether we bought them at
a yard sale for a buck or two or they were given to us by uncle Joe!

It's not just a question of items being unserviceable. Some are unsafe:
a house in our community burned down when the tenant went to collect
other items after plugging in the used refrigerator she had just bought.
Perhaps the compressor had seized up and the motor overheated and caused
the fire -- I don't know the details. (To further complicate matters,
the house is in the "Historic District," so the Historical Commission
wants it restored to period-appropriate condition, while the owner's
insurance policy covers only normal "replacement cost"; there is a
significant difference.)

I could not give any of my late parents' electrical appliances to their
church in the UK for the thrift shop because they were not allowed to
resell them without having them inspected by an electrician and
certified safe. This would have cost more than they could have sold them
for.

Perce

On 8/22/2009 4:16 AM EJ Willson spake thus:

wrote:

On Aug 21, 10:49 pm, "HeyBub" wrote:
"[WASHINGTON] If you're planning a garage sale or organizing a church
bazaar, you'd best bewa You could be breaking a new federal law. As part
of a campaign called Resale Roundup, the federal government is cracking down
on the secondhand sales of dangerous and defective products. "

"... a spokesman for the agency, said it wouldn't be dispatching
bureaucratic storm troopers into private homes to see whether people were
selling recalled products from their garages, yards or churches."

Remember, though, it's not against the law for the government to lie to us.

It's for the children.

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/226/story/74102.html

Yeah, You cat't do nothing anymore.

Another example of a government agency without enough to do. They create
problems out of situations where no problem exists in order to justify
their existence.

Oh, puleez. Give me a ****ing break.

Leaving aside that this was just more red-meat troll-bait thrown out by
our resident Texas redneck-with-an-education, the whole premise that
this is yet more evidence that the "gubmint" is run amok with
untrammeled, insane raw power is just ludicrous.

The subject line of this thread, as well as the insinuation in the
article, that somehow this means that the Feds are actually gonna go
after folks selling stuff at yard sales is just plain wrong. If you go
back and re-read the article, you'll see that the point here is that the
government *does* intend to make an effort to keep recalled and banned
items from being resold *at secondhand stores* and the like. And as the
quote from the Goodwill official indicates, at least some of those
stores seem not to have a problem with this, unlike the AM-talk-radio
get-the-gubmint-off-my-back types here.

And why shouldn't they go after this stuff? What's the point of
recalling and banning toxic and dangerous ****, like Chinese toys
containing lead and other poisons, if the leftover residue is just going
to stay in circulation in resale stores? One wonders what the
"half-life" of such merchandise is, all the while threatening *your
childrens'* health and safety. (If you don't care about your childrens'
health and safety, then that really is your problem, I guess.)

Sheesh.


--
Found--the gene that causes belief in genetic determinism

stan wrote:

Interesting because when you first buy thing something in some
countries they have 'Fitness for use ' legislation.
This makes sure that if you buy, say, a toaster or any other appliance
or service, but it burns out after too short a time or doesn't work as
it should, regardless of what warranty is offered, the supplier/
manufacturer MUST ether replace or repair.

USA and Canada don't have that legislation; which is designed to
ensure sale of products 'Fit for the use intended' and fit to be used
safely and for a suitable period of time. In other words to ensure
'you get your money's worth'!

What's idea of this USA check on used goods? To force more goods out
of the market in order to import more stuff
from ....................... ???? Or to try and collect sales tax,
again. on items that were retailed years ago!

One supposes there is always some risk (may not work properly) when
buying at a flea market or fundraising church-basement sale. That's
where judgement comes into play. We bought an electric drill for a few
bucks, once. It failed quite quickly but was happy to take some parts
off it to fix another older and broken one. And old light fixtures and
table lamps can sometimes be rebuilt more artistically and fitted with
modern bulbs.
And gee; a large percentage of our furniture was bought second hand
and or fixed/up.
And a used dartboard or fishing pole, or model train set or old books/
magazines are just 'previously used items'. Whether we bought them at
a yard sale for a buck or two or they were given to us by uncle Joe!

Consider books.

The new regulations say that a book published before 1986 (or almost
anything else) must be tested for lead content before it can be accessed by
children. Inasmuch as lead testing costs upwards of $100, a HUGE swath of
children's books must be removed from libraries and cannot be resold.

Consider other stuff

This regulation also applies to twenty-year old cribs, toys, strollers, car
seats, little red wagon, roller skates, hand-me-down clothesclothing (no,
you can't use your grandmother's Christening gown), etc.

David Nebenzahl wrote:
On 8/22/2009 4:16 AM EJ Willson spake thus:

wrote:

On Aug 21, 10:49 pm, "HeyBub" wrote:
"[WASHINGTON] If you're planning a garage sale or organizing a
church bazaar, you'd best bewa You could be breaking a new
federal law. As part of a campaign called Resale Roundup, the
federal government is cracking down on the secondhand sales of
dangerous and defective products. " "... a spokesman for the agency,
said it wouldn't be dispatching
bureaucratic storm troopers into private homes to see whether
people were selling recalled products from their garages, yards or
churches." Remember, though, it's not against the law for the
government to
lie to us. It's for the children.

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/226/story/74102.html

Yeah, You cat't do nothing anymore.

Another example of a government agency without enough to do. They
create problems out of situations where no problem exists in order
to justify their existence.

Oh, puleez. Give me a ****ing break.

Leaving aside that this was just more red-meat troll-bait thrown out
by our resident Texas redneck-with-an-education, the whole premise
that this is yet more evidence that the "gubmint" is run amok with
untrammeled, insane raw power is just ludicrous.

The subject line of this thread, as well as the insinuation in the
article, that somehow this means that the Feds are actually gonna go
after folks selling stuff at yard sales is just plain wrong. If you go
back and re-read the article, you'll see that the point here is that
the government *does* intend to make an effort to keep recalled and
banned items from being resold *at secondhand stores* and the like.
And as the quote from the Goodwill official indicates, at least some
of those stores seem not to have a problem with this, unlike the
AM-talk-radio get-the-gubmint-off-my-back types here.

And why shouldn't they go after this stuff? What's the point of
recalling and banning toxic and dangerous ****, like Chinese toys
containing lead and other poisons, if the leftover residue is just
going to stay in circulation in resale stores? One wonders what the
"half-life" of such merchandise is, all the while threatening *your
childrens'* health and safety. (If you don't care about your
childrens' health and safety, then that really is your problem, I
guess.)

Your "resident troll" took the subject from the headline on the article
"Seller, bewa Feds cracking down on garage sales"

Here's just one example of the Draconian regulations: All books published
before 1986 are PRESUMED to contain lead. This means that ALL children's
books published more than twenty years ago: a) Have to be removed from
library shelves, and b) either destroyed or tested for lead. Inasmuch as
lead testing for a single book is expensive, the only option is the first.

Oh, yeah, the books cannot be sold.

And I'm glad you agree when you said: "If you don't care about your
childrens' health and safety, then that really is your problem, I guess."

I take that to mean it's none of the government's business.

David Nebenzahl wrote:
On 8/22/2009 4:16 AM EJ Willson spake thus:

wrote:

On Aug 21, 10:49 pm, "HeyBub" wrote:
"[WASHINGTON] If you're planning a garage sale or organizing a church
bazaar, you'd best bewa You could be breaking a new federal law.
As part
of a campaign called Resale Roundup, the federal government is
cracking down
on the secondhand sales of dangerous and defective products. "

"... a spokesman for the agency, said it wouldn't be dispatching
bureaucratic storm troopers into private homes to see whether people
were
selling recalled products from their garages, yards or churches."

Remember, though, it's not against the law for the government to lie
to us.

It's for the children.

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/226/story/74102.html

Yeah, You cat't do nothing anymore.

Another example of a government agency without enough to do. They
create problems out of situations where no problem exists in order to
justify their existence.

Oh, puleez. Give me a ****ing break.

Leaving aside that this was just more red-meat troll-bait thrown out by
our resident Texas redneck-with-an-education, the whole premise that
this is yet more evidence that the "gubmint" is run amok with
untrammeled, insane raw power is just ludicrous.

The subject line of this thread, as well as the insinuation in the
article, that somehow this means that the Feds are actually gonna go
after folks selling stuff at yard sales is just plain wrong. If you go
back and re-read the article, you'll see that the point here is that the
government *does* intend to make an effort to keep recalled and banned
items from being resold *at secondhand stores* and the like. And as the
quote from the Goodwill official indicates, at least some of those
stores seem not to have a problem with this, unlike the AM-talk-radio
get-the-gubmint-off-my-back types here.

And why shouldn't they go after this stuff? What's the point of
recalling and banning toxic and dangerous ****, like Chinese toys
containing lead and other poisons, if the leftover residue is just going
to stay in circulation in resale stores? One wonders what the
"half-life" of such merchandise is, all the while threatening *your
childrens'* health and safety. (If you don't care about your childrens'
health and safety, then that really is your problem, I guess.)

Sheesh.


Careful- a reasonable common-sense view like yours could get you booted
off the internet.

They could always put the Really Nasty stuff that is recalled in the
newspapers, with pictures. Oh, I forgot- nobody reads newspapers any
more. Maybe provide video/sound bites to local TV stations to use as
filler on slow days?

--
aem sends...

John wrote:

"The Resale Roundup is being enforced under the Consumer Product
Safety Improvement Act, which Congress passed and President George W.
Bush signed into law last year."

That means nothing to some folks. When Bush crapped on their head they
thanked him for the new hat. But now if it rains on their birthday they'll
know for a fact Obama is behind it. I tell ya, it's tough being a
conservative these days, always having to explain that these mouth-breathers
aren't conservatives at all, they're morons.

DGDevin wrote:
John wrote:

"The Resale Roundup is being enforced under the Consumer Product
Safety Improvement Act, which Congress passed and President George W.
Bush signed into law last year."

That means nothing to some folks. When Bush crapped on their head
they thanked him for the new hat. But now if it rains on their
birthday they'll know for a fact Obama is behind it. I tell ya, it's
tough being a conservative these days, always having to explain that
these mouth-breathers aren't conservatives at all, they're morons.

They may be morons, but they're OUR morons!

Whereas the morons on the other side are morons.

Wait, what?....

DGDevin wrote:
John wrote:

"The Resale Roundup is being enforced under the Consumer Product
Safety Improvement Act, which Congress passed and President George W.
Bush signed into law last year."

That means nothing to some folks. When Bush crapped on their head they
thanked him for the new hat. But now if it rains on their birthday they'll
know for a fact Obama is behind it. I tell ya, it's tough being a
conservative these days, always having to explain that these mouth-breathers
aren't conservatives at all, they're morons.


What would Barry Goldwater say?

HeyBub wrote:

Consider books.

The new regulations say that a book published before 1986 (or almost
anything else) must be tested for lead content before it can be accessed by
children. Inasmuch as lead testing costs upwards of $100, a HUGE swath of
children's books must be removed from libraries and cannot be resold.

They don't say that at all. Only newly manufactured goods must be
certified. Old goods shouldn't be sold for use by children if there is
reason to believe they exceed the limits, but there is no penalty. Lead
was phased out of ink about 1980, so Congress decided books printed
before 1985 were presumed dangerous.

It doesn't affect lending, but librarians are afraid they might be
affected someday. Nancy Davenport, interim director of library services
at the District of Columbia Public Library, claimed that if the law were
changed to prohibit lending, 110,000 of the system's 650,000 children's
books would have to be discarded.

I think she's stretching it. I used to work in the children's
department of a municipal library that was 100 years old. There were
lots of books with heavy-duty bindings and lots of mended books, but if
you wanted anything over ten years old, you had to go around the corner
to the young adults section. Kids are rough on library books.

If someday the law prohibits libraries from lending children's books
printed before 1985, they will be more than 25 years old.

HeyBub wrote:


Here's just one example of the Draconian regulations: All books published
before 1986 are PRESUMED to contain lead. This means that ALL children's
books published more than twenty years ago: a) Have to be removed from
library shelves, and b) either destroyed or tested for lead. Inasmuch as
lead testing for a single book is expensive, the only option is the first.

Oh, yeah, the books cannot be sold.


No second-hand stuff must be tested. It's not supposed to be sold if
there's reason to believe it exceeds limits, but there are no penalties.

It has nothing to do with libraries unless libraries are selling books.
If the law is changed to prohibit lending, it will be about books
more than 25 years old. I used to work in the children's department of
an old municipal library. We had nothing 25 years old. I don't
remember anything even 10 years old. Children are rough on library books.

E Z Peaces wrote:
HeyBub wrote:


Here's just one example of the Draconian regulations: All books
published before 1986 are PRESUMED to contain lead. This means that
ALL children's books published more than twenty years ago: a) Have
to be removed from library shelves, and b) either destroyed or
tested for lead. Inasmuch as lead testing for a single book is
expensive, the only option is the first. Oh, yeah, the books cannot be
sold.


No second-hand stuff must be tested. It's not supposed to be sold if
there's reason to believe it exceeds limits, but there are no
penalties.

The ban is not on "selling" it is on "distributing" which includes selling,
donating, loaning, trading, or any other transfer. As for penalties:

--- begin quote
SEC. 214. PROHIBITION ON SALE OF RECALLED PRODUCTS.
Section 19(a) (as amended by section 210) (15 U.S.C. 2068(a)) is further
amended--
(1) by striking paragraph (1) and inserting the following:
`(1) sell, offer for sale, manufacture for sale, distribute in commerce, or
import into the United States any consumer product, or other product or
substance that is regulated under any other Act enforced by the Commission,
that is--
`(A) not in conformity with an applicable consumer product safety standard
under this Act, or any similar rule under any such other Act;
`(B) subject to voluntary corrective action taken by the manufacturer, in
consultation with the Commission, of which action the Commission has
notified the public;
`(C) subject to an order issued under section 12 or 15 of this Act; or
`(D) designated a banned hazardous substance under the Federal Hazardous
Substances Act (15 U.S.C. 1261 et seq.);';
(2) by striking `or' after the semicolon in paragraph (7);
(3) by striking `and' after the semicolon in paragraph (8); and
(4) by striking `insulation).' in paragraph (9) and inserting
`insulation);'.
--- end quote

If you chase all the statutes and amendments, you'll find the maximum civil
penalty to be $1,250,000.00 or imprisonment up to one year.


It has nothing to do with libraries unless libraries are selling
books. If the law is changed to prohibit lending, it will be about
books more than 25 years old. I used to work in the children's department
of an old municipal library. We had nothing 25 years old. I don't
remember anything even 10 years old. Children are rough on library
books.

Nope:

"In the District [of Columbia], the law means that more than a sixth --
110,000 of 650,000 -- of the children's books on the shelves might have to
be removed. And in these tight financial times, replacing those books could
be a serious problem."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...T2009032302266

HeyBub wrote:
E Z Peaces wrote:
HeyBub wrote:

Here's just one example of the Draconian regulations: All books
published before 1986 are PRESUMED to contain lead. This means that
ALL children's books published more than twenty years ago: a) Have
to be removed from library shelves, and b) either destroyed or
tested for lead. Inasmuch as lead testing for a single book is
expensive, the only option is the first. Oh, yeah, the books cannot be
sold.

No second-hand stuff must be tested. It's not supposed to be sold if
there's reason to believe it exceeds limits, but there are no
penalties.

The ban is not on "selling" it is on "distributing" which includes selling,
donating, loaning, trading, or any other transfer. As for penalties:

--- begin quote
SEC. 214. PROHIBITION ON SALE OF RECALLED PRODUCTS.
Section 19(a) (as amended by section 210) (15 U.S.C. 2068(a)) is further
amended--
(1) by striking paragraph (1) and inserting the following:
`(1) sell, offer for sale, manufacture for sale, distribute in commerce, or
import into the United States any consumer product, or other product or
substance that is regulated under any other Act enforced by the Commission,
that is--
`(A) not in conformity with an applicable consumer product safety standard
under this Act, or any similar rule under any such other Act;
`(B) subject to voluntary corrective action taken by the manufacturer, in
consultation with the Commission, of which action the Commission has
notified the public;
`(C) subject to an order issued under section 12 or 15 of this Act; or
`(D) designated a banned hazardous substance under the Federal Hazardous
Substances Act (15 U.S.C. 1261 et seq.);';
(2) by striking `or' after the semicolon in paragraph (7);
(3) by striking `and' after the semicolon in paragraph (8); and
(4) by striking `insulation).' in paragraph (9) and inserting
`insulation);'.
--- end quote

If you chase all the statutes and amendments, you'll find the maximum civil
penalty to be $1,250,000.00 or imprisonment up to one year.

It has nothing to do with libraries unless libraries are selling
books. If the law is changed to prohibit lending, it will be about
books more than 25 years old. I used to work in the children's department
of an old municipal library. We had nothing 25 years old. I don't
remember anything even 10 years old. Children are rough on library
books.

Nope:

"In the District [of Columbia], the law means that more than a sixth --
110,000 of 650,000 -- of the children's books on the shelves might have to
be removed. And in these tight financial times, replacing those books could
be a serious problem."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...T2009032302266


It's always amazed me that congress will pass laws without
regard for the cost or financial impact of such laws. it's
probably because most of them don't live in the real world
and it only gets worse the longer the elected official stays
in Washington D.C. There are always calls for term limits
but there have always been term limits, voters don't have to
send the scoundrels back to D.C. More of them need to get
fired.

TDD

In article , (HeyBub) writes:

| --- begin quote
| SEC. 214. PROHIBITION ON SALE OF RECALLED PRODUCTS.
| Section 19(a) (as amended by section 210) (15 U.S.C. 2068(a)) is further
| amended--
| (1) by striking paragraph (1) and inserting the following:
| `(1) sell, offer for sale, manufacture for sale, distribute in commerce, or
| import into the United States any consumer product, or other product or
| substance that is regulated under any other Act enforced by the Commission,
| that is--
| `(A) not in conformity with an applicable consumer product safety standard
| under this Act, or any similar rule under any such other Act;

Does this apply all current consumer product safety standards to all
existing products or does the reference to "RECALLED" in the section
name limit "any such other Act" to those dealing specifically with
recalls? For example, does this prohibit selling an old lamp with
a non-polarized plug?

Dan Lanciani
ddl@danlan.*com

HeyBub wrote:
E Z Peaces wrote:
HeyBub wrote:

Here's just one example of the Draconian regulations: All books
published before 1986 are PRESUMED to contain lead. This means that
ALL children's books published more than twenty years ago: a) Have
to be removed from library shelves, and b) either destroyed or
tested for lead. Inasmuch as lead testing for a single book is
expensive, the only option is the first. Oh, yeah, the books cannot be
sold.

No second-hand stuff must be tested. It's not supposed to be sold if
there's reason to believe it exceeds limits, but there are no
penalties.

The ban is not on "selling" it is on "distributing" which includes selling,
donating, loaning, trading, or any other transfer.


According to the OED, to distribute is to supply a retailer.

If you chase all the statutes and amendments, you'll find the maximum civil
penalty to be $1,250,000.00 or imprisonment up to one year.

It has nothing to do with libraries unless libraries are selling
books. If the law is changed to prohibit lending, it will be about
books more than 25 years old. I used to work in the children's department
of an old municipal library. We had nothing 25 years old. I don't
remember anything even 10 years old. Children are rough on library
books.

Nope:

"In the District [of Columbia], the law means that more than a sixth --
110,000 of 650,000 -- of the children's books on the shelves might have to
be removed. And in these tight financial times, replacing those books could
be a serious problem."

Might. You said distributing includes loaning.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...T2009032302266


I guess you didn't notice I referred to Davenport in answering you
earlier. 'Children's books stay on the shelf longer because they remain
popular, she said. "You could walk into almost any children's library
and you'd see the same books that you just adored when you were a kid."'

Accurate but not true. "Cat in the Hat" has been on library shelves 50
years, but the copy you see was probably purchased in the last 3 years.
Books remain popular because kids tend to check out what adults
recommend. A book like "Cat in the Hat" may go out more than 30 times a
year, getting dropped, sat on, handled with dirty hands, etc, etc. In
25 years that would be 750 cycles. Do you really think libraries have
many children's book that old?

E Z Peaces wrote:

Accurate but not true. "Cat in the Hat" has been on library shelves
50 years, but the copy you see was probably purchased in the last 3
years. Books remain popular because kids tend to check out what
adults recommend. A book like "Cat in the Hat" may go out more than
30 times a year, getting dropped, sat on, handled with dirty hands,
etc, etc. In 25 years that would be 750 cycles. Do you really think
libraries have many children's book that old?

I heard that The University of Texas was warned it must not only keep its
copy of the Gutenburg Bible under glass, but it should not even think about
giving the thing away!

It's for the children.

On 8/23/2009 1:44 PM Dan Lanciani spake thus:

In article ,
(HeyBub) writes:

| --- begin quote
| SEC. 214. PROHIBITION ON SALE OF RECALLED PRODUCTS.
| Section 19(a) (as amended by section 210) (15 U.S.C. 2068(a)) is further
| amended--
| (1) by striking paragraph (1) and inserting the following:
| `(1) sell, offer for sale, manufacture for sale, distribute in commerce, or
| import into the United States any consumer product, or other product or
| substance that is regulated under any other Act enforced by the Commission,
| that is--
| `(A) not in conformity with an applicable consumer product safety standard
| under this Act, or any similar rule under any such other Act;

Does this apply all current consumer product safety standards to all
existing products or does the reference to "RECALLED" in the section
name limit "any such other Act" to those dealing specifically with
recalls? For example, does this prohibit selling an old lamp with
a non-polarized plug?

Your premise is false because items with non-polarized plugs have not
been recalled. Non-polarized plugs have been *replaced by* polarized
ones; not the same thing, so no ban on continued distribution of these
items would be called for.


--
Found--the gene that causes belief in genetic determinism

On Aug 21, 11:11*pm, " wrote:
On Aug 21, 10:49*pm, "HeyBub" wrote:

"[WASHINGTON] If you're planning a garage sale or organizing a church
bazaar, you'd best bewa You could be breaking a new federal law. As part
of a campaign called Resale Roundup, the federal government is cracking down
on the secondhand sales of dangerous and defective products. "

"... a spokesman for the agency, said it wouldn't be dispatching
bureaucratic storm troopers into private homes to see whether people were
selling recalled products from their garages, yards or churches."

Remember, though, it's not against the law for the government to lie to us.

It's for the children.

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/226/story/74102.html

Yeah, You cat't do nothing anymore.

You mean like spell?