I am plagued by hordes of rabbits. They eat everything in sight, especially
tender shoots and newly planted stuff. When they get desperate they will
even eat my Red Apple iceplant.

Within the city limits I cannot use a firearm. Would an air rifle be
powerful enough to kill them? Wonder where they go to die. Will I end up
with Rabbit carcasses all over my garden?

Trapping them sounds like a lot of trouble, especially with the high cost of
gasoline.

Any other drastic remedies?

And no, I do not want to cook them. During the depression my wife and I
collected road-kill rabbits and cooked them for supper. During the war (WW
II Germany) we bred them by the hundreds in our backyard and turned them
into sausage. Fortunately we no longer have a need for such desperate
measures.

--
Walter
www.rationality.net
-

Walter R. wrote:
I am plagued by hordes of rabbits. They eat everything in sight, especially
tender shoots and newly planted stuff. When they get desperate they will
even eat my Red Apple iceplant.

Within the city limits I cannot use a firearm. Would an air rifle be
powerful enough to kill them? Wonder where they go to die. Will I end up
with Rabbit carcasses all over my garden?

Trapping them sounds like a lot of trouble, especially with the high cost of
gasoline.

Any other drastic remedies?

And no, I do not want to cook them. During the depression my wife and I
collected road-kill rabbits and cooked them for supper. During the war (WW
II Germany) we bred them by the hundreds in our backyard and turned them
into sausage. Fortunately we no longer have a need for such desperate
measures.

How about a couple of dogs to scare them away?

"LouB" wrote in message
...
Walter R. wrote:
I am plagued by hordes of rabbits. They eat everything in sight,
especially tender shoots and newly planted stuff. When they get desperate
they will even eat my Red Apple iceplant.

Within the city limits I cannot use a firearm. Would an air rifle be
powerful enough to kill them? Wonder where they go to die. Will I end up
with Rabbit carcasses all over my garden?

Trapping them sounds like a lot of trouble, especially with the high cost
of gasoline.

Any other drastic remedies?

And no, I do not want to cook them. During the depression my wife and I
collected road-kill rabbits and cooked them for supper. During the war
(WW II Germany) we bred them by the hundreds in our backyard and turned
them into sausage. Fortunately we no longer have a need for such
desperate measures.

How about a couple of dogs to scare them away?

We have a couple Beagles. No wabbits in our backyard.

"Walter R." wrote:

I am plagued by hordes of rabbits. They eat everything in sight, especially
tender shoots and newly planted stuff. When they get desperate they will
even eat my Red Apple iceplant.

Within the city limits I cannot use a firearm. Would an air rifle be
powerful enough to kill them?

Yes- I've dispatched dozens of rabbits and hundreds of squirrels with
a break action pellet rifle from Walmart. [for that matter- the
*right* air rifle can kill a buffalo] Something that shoots around
750-1000 fps is lethal. The Storm XT that I bought was less than
$100. I tossed the scope and regularly pick squirrels out of
tree-tops with head shots.

Be fore-warned, it is probably considered a firearm in most
jurisdictions.

Wonder where they go to die. Will I end up
with Rabbit carcasses all over my garden?

Shot in the head, they drop in place.

Trapping them sounds like a lot of trouble, especially with the high cost of
gasoline.

No gas- just a 5 gallon bucket of water. Relocating is probably less
legal than killing them out of season.


Any other drastic remedies?

i've actually had some success with 'liquid fence' -
http://www.liquidfence.com/dual-rabbit.html
Worth a try while you're reducing the population.

And no, I do not want to cook them.
-snip-

I eat all my rabbits, squirrels and vermin. But first I compost
them and convert them to tomatoes.

Jim

On Wed, 24 Jun 2009 13:22:19 -0700, Walter R. wrote:
I am plagued by hordes of rabbits. They eat everything in sight, especially
tender shoots and newly planted stuff. When they get desperate they will
even eat my Red Apple iceplant.

Within the city limits I cannot use a firearm. Would an air rifle be
powerful enough to kill them? Wonder where they go to die. Will I end up
with Rabbit carcasses all over my garden?

Trapping them sounds like a lot of trouble, especially with the high cost of
gasoline.

Any other drastic remedies?

WTF don't you have a fence?

Walter R. wrote:
I am plagued by hordes of rabbits. They eat everything in sight,
especially tender shoots and newly planted stuff. When they get
desperate they will even eat my Red Apple iceplant.

Within the city limits I cannot use a firearm. Would an air rifle be
powerful enough to kill them? Wonder where they go to die. Will I end
up with Rabbit carcasses all over my garden?

Trapping them sounds like a lot of trouble, especially with the high
cost of gasoline.

Any other drastic remedies?

And no, I do not want to cook them. During the depression my wife and
I collected road-kill rabbits and cooked them for supper. During the
war (WW II Germany) we bred them by the hundreds in our backyard and
turned them into sausage. Fortunately we no longer have a need for
such desperate measures.

Might as well build a hot-house. Rabbits can breed faster than you can kill
them.

On Jun 24, 3:22*pm, "Walter R." wrote:
I am plagued by hordes of rabbits. They eat everything in sight, especially
tender shoots and newly planted stuff. When they get desperate they will
even eat my Red Apple iceplant.

Within the city limits I cannot use a firearm. Would an air rifle be
powerful enough to kill them? Wonder where they go to die. Will I end up
with Rabbit carcasses all over my garden?

Trapping them sounds like a lot of trouble, especially with the high cost of
gasoline.

Any other drastic remedies?

And no, I do not want to cook them. During the depression my wife and I
collected road-kill rabbits and cooked them for supper. During the war (WW
II Germany) *we bred them by the hundreds in our backyard and turned them
into sausage. Fortunately we no longer have a need for such desperate
measures.

--
Walterwww.rationality.net
-

Everyone on the eastern side of the US, including me, is seeing more
rabbits this year than in years past. Mother Nature has given them
something special in their lives - probably Al Gore & global warming.

Red wrote:
....
Everyone on the eastern side of the US, including me, is seeing more
rabbits this year than in years past. Mother Nature has given them
something special in their lives - probably Al Gore & global warming.

I suspect "everyone" is perhaps an exaggeration, but...

My supposition would be the breaking of the worst of the moderate to
severe drought conditions across a great portion of the country east of
the Mississippi has had more to do with it than anything--they, like all
wild critters breed to the available conditions. We were across to
Raleigh a month or so ago and it's greenest from Arkansas all the way
east I've seen in many a year -- since a year or so after we moved, in
fact, I'd say...

While not such a major effect back there, out here the amount of
widespread hail during and shortly after nesting season has a major
impact on the yearly quail/pheasant populations and somewhat lesser
effect on rabbits, etc., but certainly not inconsequential.

--

Walter R. wrote:
I am plagued by hordes of rabbits. They eat everything in sight, especially
tender shoots and newly planted stuff. When they get desperate they will
even eat my Red Apple iceplant.

Within the city limits I cannot use a firearm. Would an air rifle be
powerful enough to kill them? Wonder where they go to die. Will I end up
with Rabbit carcasses all over my garden?

Trapping them sounds like a lot of trouble, especially with the high cost of
gasoline.

Any other drastic remedies?

And no, I do not want to cook them. During the depression my wife and I
collected road-kill rabbits and cooked them for supper. During the war (WW
II Germany) we bred them by the hundreds in our backyard and turned them
into sausage. Fortunately we no longer have a need for such desperate
measures.

However many T-section fence posts and rolls of chicken wire you need to
enclose the garden. Rabbits can't climb fences, but they can dig, so cut
a slit in the sod to hold the bottom six inches or so. The shine on the
chicken wire goes away pretty fast, and you can barely see the fence.

--
aem sends...

"Walter R." wrote in
:

I am plagued by hordes of rabbits. They eat everything in sight,
especially tender shoots and newly planted stuff. When they get
desperate they will even eat my Red Apple iceplant.

Within the city limits I cannot use a firearm. Would an air rifle be
powerful enough to kill them?

you can buy 9mm air rifles that definitely kill them.
your ordinary BB gun will not.

Wonder where they go to die. Will I end
up with Rabbit carcasses all over my garden?

carcasses will attract other animals.

Trapping them sounds like a lot of trouble, especially with the high
cost of gasoline.

what's gasoline got to do with rabbit traps???


Any other drastic remedies?

And no, I do not want to cook them.

somebody else might. They taste good fried or in a stew.

During the depression my wife and
I collected road-kill rabbits and cooked them for supper. During the
war (WW II Germany) we bred them by the hundreds in our backyard and
turned them into sausage. Fortunately we no longer have a need for
such desperate measures.


it's not "desperation",it's practicality and not being wasteful.
Think of it as "recycling".

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net

Might sound silly but I just got a 2 foot rubber snake from wal-mart and
was overwhelmed at how it worked for my squirrel problem.

I have a container garden on the deck (about 14 feet up) and had
squirrels eating my tomatoes as soon as they'd ripen. Shot 8 or 10 of
them and figured I'd run out of ammo long before I would run out of
rodents.

Put this snake on the railing of the deck and watched a critter approach
from the other side. He rounded the corner, saw the snake, and
spastically jumped over the side (14 feet up).

Just ate my first few ripe ones... 8^)

Should work for rabbits also.

If I use traps, I have to transport the trapped rabbits several miles, by
car presumable, thus the cost of gasoline

--
Walter
www.rationality.net
-
"Jim Yanik" wrote in message
...
"Walter R." wrote in
:

I am plagued by hordes of rabbits. They eat everything in sight,
especially tender shoots and newly planted stuff. When they get
desperate they will even eat my Red Apple iceplant.

Within the city limits I cannot use a firearm. Would an air rifle be
powerful enough to kill them?

you can buy 9mm air rifles that definitely kill them.
your ordinary BB gun will not.

Wonder where they go to die. Will I end
up with Rabbit carcasses all over my garden?

carcasses will attract other animals.

Trapping them sounds like a lot of trouble, especially with the high
cost of gasoline.

what's gasoline got to do with rabbit traps???


Any other drastic remedies?

And no, I do not want to cook them.

somebody else might. They taste good fried or in a stew.

During the depression my wife and
I collected road-kill rabbits and cooked them for supper. During the
war (WW II Germany) we bred them by the hundreds in our backyard and
turned them into sausage. Fortunately we no longer have a need for
such desperate measures.


it's not "desperation",it's practicality and not being wasteful.
Think of it as "recycling".

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net

Sounds good. All I have to do is find a big rubber snake, like a python.

--
Walter
www.rationality.net
-
"BRUCE" wrote in message
...
Might sound silly but I just got a 2 foot rubber snake from wal-mart and
was overwhelmed at how it worked for my squirrel problem.

I have a container garden on the deck (about 14 feet up) and had
squirrels eating my tomatoes as soon as they'd ripen. Shot 8 or 10 of
them and figured I'd run out of ammo long before I would run out of
rodents.

Put this snake on the railing of the deck and watched a critter approach
from the other side. He rounded the corner, saw the snake, and
spastically jumped over the side (14 feet up).

Just ate my first few ripe ones... 8^)

Should work for rabbits also.

In article , AZ Nomad wrote:
On Wed, 24 Jun 2009 13:22:19 -0700, Walter R. wrote:
I am plagued by hordes of rabbits. They eat everything in sight, especially
tender shoots and newly planted stuff. When they get desperate they will
even eat my Red Apple iceplant.

Within the city limits I cannot use a firearm. Would an air rifle be
powerful enough to kill them? Wonder where they go to die. Will I end up
with Rabbit carcasses all over my garden?

Trapping them sounds like a lot of trouble, especially with the high cost of
gasoline.

Any other drastic remedies?

WTF don't you have a fence?

WTF do you think a fence will stop a burrowing animal for more than, oh, maybe
a minute and a half?

In article , "Walter R." wrote:
I am plagued by hordes of rabbits. They eat everything in sight, especially
tender shoots and newly planted stuff. When they get desperate they will
even eat my Red Apple iceplant.
[...]

And no, I do not want to cook them. During the depression my wife and I
collected road-kill rabbits and cooked them for supper. During the war (WW
II Germany) we bred them by the hundreds in our backyard and turned them
into sausage. Fortunately we no longer have a need for such desperate
measures.

If you're anywhere near Indianapolis, I will be happy to take all the fresh
rabbit carcasses you can give me. I think rabbit is very tasty. We used to
live in a rural area about 15 miles outside Indianapolis, and I hunted our
property regularly. Haven't had a taste of wild rabbit since we moved to the
city ten years ago, and I miss it.

On Jun 24, 10:01*pm, (Doug Miller) wrote:
In article , "Walter R." wrote:
I am plagued by hordes of rabbits. They eat everything in sight, especially
tender shoots and newly planted stuff. When they get desperate they will
even eat my Red Apple iceplant.
[...]

And no, I do not want to cook them. During the depression my wife and I
collected road-kill rabbits and cooked them for supper. During the war (WW
II Germany) *we bred them by the hundreds in our backyard and turned them
into sausage. Fortunately we no longer have a need for such desperate
measures.

If you're anywhere near Indianapolis, I will be happy to take all the fresh
rabbit carcasses you can give me. I think rabbit is very tasty. We used to
live in a rural area about 15 miles outside Indianapolis, and I hunted our
property regularly. Haven't had a taste of wild rabbit since we moved to the
city ten years ago, and I miss it.

My father in law put chicken wire around the bottom of his fence to
keep them out. When this didnt work he cut openings in the chicken
wire with traps behind the openings. I ate rabbit stew at his house
more than a few times.


Jimmie

"Walter R." wrote in message
...
I am plagued by hordes of rabbits. They eat everything in sight, especially
tender shoots and newly planted stuff. When they get desperate they will
even eat my Red Apple iceplant.

Within the city limits I cannot use a firearm. Would an air rifle be
powerful enough to kill them? Wonder where they go to die. Will I end up
with Rabbit carcasses all over my garden?

Trapping them sounds like a lot of trouble, especially with the high cost
of gasoline.

Any other drastic remedies?

And no, I do not want to cook them. During the depression my wife and I
collected road-kill rabbits and cooked them for supper. During the war (WW
II Germany) we bred them by the hundreds in our backyard and turned them
into sausage. Fortunately we no longer have a need for such desperate
measures.

--
Walter
www.rationality.net

We have a lot this year. We put wire around the garden and planted areas,
and we just stand back and watch them. The grandkids get a kick out of
them, too. We go to the local grocers and get boxes of lettuce and stuff
for them to munch. Controlling rabbits is just like trying to control dust.

Steve

"Walter R." wrote in message
...
I am plagued by hordes of rabbits. They eat everything in sight, especially
tender shoots and newly planted stuff. When they get desperate they will
even eat my Red Apple iceplant.

Within the city limits I cannot use a firearm. Would an air rifle be
powerful enough to kill them? Wonder where they go to die. Will I end up
with Rabbit carcasses all over my garden?

Trapping them sounds like a lot of trouble, especially with the high cost
of gasoline.

Any other drastic remedies?

And no, I do not want to cook them. During the depression my wife and I
collected road-kill rabbits and cooked them for supper. During the war (WW
II Germany) we bred them by the hundreds in our backyard and turned them
into sausage. Fortunately we no longer have a need for such desperate
measures.

--
Walter
www.rationality.net

fencing

In article ,
"Walter R." wrote:

If I use traps, I have to transport the trapped rabbits several miles, by
car presumable, thus the cost of gasoline

It's a good thing our forefathers didn't rely on the automobile. My
great grandpa used to herd up the rabbits once a year, and drive them
100 miles across the Plains on horseback.

On Thu, 25 Jun 2009 01:57:27 GMT, Doug Miller wrote:
In article , AZ Nomad wrote:
On Wed, 24 Jun 2009 13:22:19 -0700, Walter R. wrote:
I am plagued by hordes of rabbits. They eat everything in sight, especially
tender shoots and newly planted stuff. When they get desperate they will
even eat my Red Apple iceplant.

Within the city limits I cannot use a firearm. Would an air rifle be
powerful enough to kill them? Wonder where they go to die. Will I end up
with Rabbit carcasses all over my garden?

Trapping them sounds like a lot of trouble, especially with the high cost of
gasoline.

Any other drastic remedies?

WTF don't you have a fence?

WTF do you think a fence will stop a burrowing animal for more than, oh, maybe
a minute and a half?

If the fence isn't installed by a blithering idiot, it'll be sunk far
enough to keep out a rabbit.

"Walter R." wrote in message
...
I am plagued by hordes of rabbits. They eat everything in sight, especially
tender shoots and newly planted stuff. When they get desperate they will
even eat my Red Apple iceplant.

Get a cat.

"Walter R." wrote in
:

I am plagued by hordes of rabbits. They eat everything in sight,
especially tender shoots and newly planted stuff. When they get
desperate they will even eat my Red Apple iceplant.

Within the city limits I cannot use a firearm. Would an air rifle be
powerful enough to kill them? Wonder where they go to die. Will I end
up with Rabbit carcasses all over my garden?

Trapping them sounds like a lot of trouble, especially with the high
cost of gasoline.

Any other drastic remedies?

And no, I do not want to cook them. During the depression my wife and
I collected road-kill rabbits and cooked them for supper. During the
war (WW II Germany) we bred them by the hundreds in our backyard and
turned them into sausage. Fortunately we no longer have a need for
such desperate measures.


Fisher Cat.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fisher_(animal)

Hunting and diet

Fishers are solitary hunters. Their primary prey include hares,
rabbits, squirrels, mice, shrews, porcupines and sometimes
domesticated animals.


When I was in Vermont, one moved into our wooded development one year.
All rabbits and squirrels disappeard. Fisher moved on to another area and
reappeared when population started to pick up again. Cleaned up some
other part and came back I guess.

Nope, no idea how to get one into your area but it WOULD solve your
problem 100% guaranteed. Maybe your local Game person can help. And maybe
they will tell you if you touch one in any way your fine will be 10x your
medical bills when that wad of teeth and claws tears into you.

In article ,
Red Green wrote:

"Walter R." wrote in
:

I am plagued by hordes of rabbits. They eat everything in sight,
especially tender shoots and newly planted stuff. When they get
desperate they will even eat my Red Apple iceplant.

Within the city limits I cannot use a firearm. Would an air rifle be
powerful enough to kill them? Wonder where they go to die. Will I end
up with Rabbit carcasses all over my garden?

Trapping them sounds like a lot of trouble, especially with the high
cost of gasoline.

Any other drastic remedies?

And no, I do not want to cook them. During the depression my wife and
I collected road-kill rabbits and cooked them for supper. During the
war (WW II Germany) we bred them by the hundreds in our backyard and
turned them into sausage. Fortunately we no longer have a need for
such desperate measures.


Fisher Cat.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fisher_(animal)

Hunting and diet

Fishers are solitary hunters. Their primary prey include hares,
rabbits, squirrels, mice, shrews, porcupines and sometimes
domesticated animals.


When I was in Vermont, one moved into our wooded development one year.
All rabbits and squirrels disappeard. Fisher moved on to another area and
reappeared when population started to pick up again. Cleaned up some
other part and came back I guess.

Nope, no idea how to get one into your area but it WOULD solve your
problem 100% guaranteed. Maybe your local Game person can help. And maybe
they will tell you if you touch one in any way your fine will be 10x your
medical bills when that wad of teeth and claws tears into you.

You don't have to resort to importing wild animals. A whippet will run
off the rabbits pretty quickly.

Smitty Two wrote in
news
In article ,
Red Green wrote:

"Walter R." wrote in
:

I am plagued by hordes of rabbits. They eat everything in sight,
especially tender shoots and newly planted stuff. When they get
desperate they will even eat my Red Apple iceplant.

Within the city limits I cannot use a firearm. Would an air rifle
be powerful enough to kill them? Wonder where they go to die. Will
I end up with Rabbit carcasses all over my garden?

Trapping them sounds like a lot of trouble, especially with the
high cost of gasoline.

Any other drastic remedies?

And no, I do not want to cook them. During the depression my wife
and I collected road-kill rabbits and cooked them for supper.
During the war (WW II Germany) we bred them by the hundreds in our
backyard and turned them into sausage. Fortunately we no longer
have a need for such desperate measures.


Fisher Cat.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fisher_(animal)

Hunting and diet

Fishers are solitary hunters. Their primary prey include
hares, rabbits, squirrels, mice, shrews, porcupines and
sometimes
domesticated animals.


When I was in Vermont, one moved into our wooded development one
year. All rabbits and squirrels disappeard. Fisher moved on to
another area and reappeared when population started to pick up again.
Cleaned up some other part and came back I guess.

Nope, no idea how to get one into your area but it WOULD solve your
problem 100% guaranteed. Maybe your local Game person can help. And
maybe they will tell you if you touch one in any way your fine will
be 10x your medical bills when that wad of teeth and claws tears into
you.

You don't have to resort to importing wild animals. A whippet will run
off the rabbits pretty quickly.


Well he did say drastic remedies.

...and no dog **** all over the yard.

On Jun 24, 5:57*pm, "HeyBub" wrote:

Might as well build a hot-house. Rabbits can breed faster than you can kill
them.

I don't know about breeding alone, but combined with walking from
"over there" to "over here", you're pretty much looking at a lost
battle.
-----

- gpsman

Walter R. wrote:
I am plagued by hordes of rabbits. They eat everything in sight, especially
tender shoots and newly planted stuff. When they get desperate they will
even eat my Red Apple iceplant.

Within the city limits I cannot use a firearm. Would an air rifle be
powerful enough to kill them? Wonder where they go to die. Will I end up
with Rabbit carcasses all over my garden?

Trapping them sounds like a lot of trouble, especially with the high cost of
gasoline.

Any other drastic remedies?

And no, I do not want to cook them. During the depression my wife and I
collected road-kill rabbits and cooked them for supper. During the war (WW
II Germany) we bred them by the hundreds in our backyard and turned them
into sausage. Fortunately we no longer have a need for such desperate
measures.

A 22 caliber rifle firing rat shot won't make much noise and it can
kill a rabbit. It makes a little poof sound.

(Doug Miller) wrote in
:

In article ,
AZ Nomad wrote:
On Wed, 24 Jun 2009 13:22:19 -0700, Walter R. wrote:
I am plagued by hordes of rabbits. They eat everything in sight,
especially tender shoots and newly planted stuff. When they get
desperate they will even eat my Red Apple iceplant.

Within the city limits I cannot use a firearm. Would an air rifle be
powerful enough to kill them? Wonder where they go to die. Will I end
up with Rabbit carcasses all over my garden?

Trapping them sounds like a lot of trouble, especially with the high
cost of gasoline.

Any other drastic remedies?

WTF don't you have a fence?

WTF do you think a fence will stop a burrowing animal for more than,
oh, maybe a minute and a half?

you -bury- the bottom foot of the fencing.

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net

On Jun 24, 7:00*pm, Jim Yanik wrote:


you can buy 9mm air rifles that definitely kill them.
your ordinary BB gun will not.


9mm?? That's a standard firearm round. What kind of air supply does
one need to shoot that thru an air rifle?

Red

"Sea Dog" wrote in message
...
Walter R. wrote:
I am plagued by hordes of rabbits. They eat everything in sight,
especially tender shoots and newly planted stuff. When they get desperate
they will even eat my Red Apple iceplant.

Within the city limits I cannot use a firearm. Would an air rifle be
powerful enough to kill them? Wonder where they go to die. Will I end up
with Rabbit carcasses all over my garden?

Trapping them sounds like a lot of trouble, especially with the high cost
of gasoline.

Any other drastic remedies?

And no, I do not want to cook them. During the depression my wife and I
collected road-kill rabbits and cooked them for supper. During the war
(WW II Germany) we bred them by the hundreds in our backyard and turned
them into sausage. Fortunately we no longer have a need for such
desperate measures.

A 22 caliber rifle firing rat shot won't make much noise and it can
kill a rabbit. It makes a little poof sound.


CB subsonic caps are better. 718 fps muzzle velocity.

Steve

"Red" wrote in message
...
On Jun 24, 7:00 pm, Jim Yanik wrote:


you can buy 9mm air rifles that definitely kill them.
your ordinary BB gun will not.


9mm?? That's a standard firearm round. What kind of air supply does
one need to shoot that thru an air rifle?

Red

Yeah, I'd like to see one of those. Does it require an air hose with a
heavy duty compressor?

Steve

Jim Yanik wrote:

WTF do you think a fence will stop a burrowing animal for more than,
oh, maybe a minute and a half?

you -bury- the bottom foot of the fencing.

Won't work - at least according to the Secretary of Homeland Security.

She is on record as saying "Build a 15-foot fence and I'll show you a rabbit
that can dig a 16-foot hole."

Or something like that - she goes on to discuss mayonnaise if I recall
correctly.

On Thu, 25 Jun 2009 08:41:43 -0600, "SteveB"
wrote:


"Red" wrote in message
...
On Jun 24, 7:00 pm, Jim Yanik wrote:


you can buy 9mm air rifles that definitely kill them.
your ordinary BB gun will not.

BB's- not likely. But hollow point, .17caliber pellets at 750fps are
sufficient up to 150feet or so.



9mm?? That's a standard firearm round. What kind of air supply does
one need to shoot that thru an air rifle?

Red

Yeah, I'd like to see one of those. Does it require an air hose with a
heavy duty compressor?

Here's one that took a hand pump-
http://lewis-clark.org/content/conte...?ChannelID=300

51 caliber, 20 shot magazine, buttstock reservoir and a hand pump.

The pump took 2000pumps to create 1000psi.

Or the modern version-
457caliber- filled from scuba tanks.
http://vodpod.com/sniper99
See the chronograph video for the foot-pounds, velocity, and a look at
the 510gr bullet;
http://vodpod.com/watch/45447-daqsam...v?pod=sniper99

Here's where sniper99 got his DAQ;
http://www.quackenbushairguns.com/

Jim

SteveB wrote:
"Red" wrote in message
...
On Jun 24, 7:00 pm, Jim Yanik wrote:

you can buy 9mm air rifles that definitely kill them.
your ordinary BB gun will not.


9mm?? That's a standard firearm round. What kind of air supply does
one need to shoot that thru an air rifle?

Red

Yeah, I'd like to see one of those. Does it require an air hose with a
heavy duty compressor?

Pre-Charged Pneumatic, or PCP guns.

Fill with a scuba tank, or use the hand pump if you are man enough.
Stop at ~3000 psi.

These large caliber air guns have been around for centuries.
German sharpshooters used them in the unpleasantries in the British
colonies ca. 1776. Lewis & Clark had one with them. They took deer with
it, amazed some India]D]D]D] Native Americans. with it.

"SteveB" wrote in news:8uech6-
:


"Red" wrote in message
...
On Jun 24, 7:00 pm, Jim Yanik wrote:


you can buy 9mm air rifles that definitely kill them.
your ordinary BB gun will not.


9mm?? That's a standard firearm round. What kind of air supply does
one need to shoot that thru an air rifle?

Red

Yeah, I'd like to see one of those. Does it require an air hose with a
heavy duty compressor?

Steve




http://www.airgunsbbguns.com/CAREER_...9mmultra1s.htm
77gr at 900fps. ~138 ft-lbs muzzle energy.
the bullet is lighter than a .380 auto(9x17 or 9mm short) bullet.

moreinfo;
http://air.guns.20megsfree.com/

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jyanik
at
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On 25 Jun 2009 22:40:35 GMT, Jim Yanik wrote:

-snip-

http://www.airgunsbbguns.com/CAREER_...9mmultra1s.htm
77gr at 900fps. ~138 ft-lbs muzzle energy.
the bullet is lighter than a .380 auto(9x17 or 9mm short) bullet.

Sounds more like a deer rifle to me. The noise alone would
eliminate from contention for the OP.

A .177cal springer that shoots over 700fps will take care of rabbits
in a garden. [jackrabbits in the desert might be fun with the above
gun, though] And then the op is looking at $100, rather than $600.


Jim

on 6/24/2009 4:22 PM (ET) Walter R. wrote the following:
I am plagued by hordes of rabbits. They eat everything in sight, especially
tender shoots and newly planted stuff. When they get desperate they will
even eat my Red Apple iceplant.

Within the city limits I cannot use a firearm. Would an air rifle be
powerful enough to kill them? Wonder where they go to die. Will I end up
with Rabbit carcasses all over my garden?

Trapping them sounds like a lot of trouble, especially with the high cost of
gasoline.

Any other drastic remedies?

And no, I do not want to cook them. During the depression my wife and I
collected road-kill rabbits and cooked them for supper. During the war (WW
II Germany) we bred them by the hundreds in our backyard and turned them
into sausage. Fortunately we no longer have a need for such desperate
measures.



Do you live next door to this woman?
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090617/...odd_bunny_lady

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Bill
In Hamptonburgh, NY
In the original Orange County. Est. 1683
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On Jun 24, 9:18*pm, Smitty Two wrote:
In article ,
*Red Green wrote:



"Walter R." wrote in
:

I am plagued by hordes of rabbits. They eat everything in sight,
especially tender shoots and newly planted stuff. When they get
desperate they will even eat my Red Apple iceplant.

Within the city limits I cannot use a firearm. Would an air rifle be
powerful enough to kill them? Wonder where they go to die. Will I end
up with Rabbit carcasses all over my garden?

Trapping them sounds like a lot of trouble, especially with the high
cost of gasoline.

Any other drastic remedies?

And no, I do not want to cook them. During the depression my wife and
I collected road-kill rabbits and cooked them for supper. During the
war (WW II Germany) *we bred them by the hundreds in our backyard and
turned them into sausage. Fortunately we no longer have a need for
such desperate measures.

Fisher Cat.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fisher_(animal)

* * * * * *Hunting and diet

* * * * * *Fishers are solitary hunters. Their primary prey include hares,
* * * * * *rabbits, squirrels, mice, shrews, porcupines and sometimes * *
* *domesticated animals.

When I was in Vermont, one moved into our wooded development one year.
All rabbits and squirrels disappeard. Fisher moved on to another area and
reappeared when population started to pick up again. Cleaned up some
other part and came back I guess.

Nope, no idea how to get one into your area but it WOULD solve your
problem 100% guaranteed. Maybe your local Game person can help. And maybe
they will tell you if you touch one in any way your fine will be 10x your
medical bills when that wad of teeth and claws tears into you.

You don't have to resort to importing wild animals. A whippet will run
off the rabbits pretty quickly.

Read all the replies and suggest a combination of:

1. "birth control" food placed stragetically. Stops them
from reproducing.

2. Electronic fence; ultra-sonic repellant signals.

HTH

"HeyBub" wrote in message
m...
Jim Yanik wrote:

WTF do you think a fence will stop a burrowing animal for more than,
oh, maybe a minute and a half?

you -bury- the bottom foot of the fencing.

Won't work - at least according to the Secretary of Homeland Security.

She is on record as saying "Build a 15-foot fence and I'll show you a
rabbit
that can dig a 16-foot hole."

Or something like that - she goes on to discuss mayonnaise if I recall
correctly.



I'm trying to grow tomatoes in pots. The pots are tall enough so that a
rabbit can't reach the plants standing on it's hind legs. The pots are
tightly surrounded by chicken wire that is closed at the top. There are no
openings bigger than the chicken wire openings. It is electrified by an
electric fence gizmo. Something is still eating my new plants. I didn't
even suspect the squirrels. Now I'm suspecting mice.

I was trying to grow some grass for my dog to roll around in. The rabbits
kept eating the new sprouts all the way to the ground. I shot one from
about 50' in the rear thigh with a BB gun pumped only three times. It died.
I was just trying to scare it away. I suspect a pellet gun would be more
than adequate. Last year the rabbits ate my tomato plants. Instead of
eating the leaves or tomatoes they chew off the main stalk at ground level,
thus destroying their food supply. I think the tomato plants are smarter
than the rabbits.

"SteveB" wrote in message
...

"Red" wrote in message
...
On Jun 24, 7:00 pm, Jim Yanik wrote:


you can buy 9mm air rifles that definitely kill them.
your ordinary BB gun will not.


9mm?? That's a standard firearm round. What kind of air supply does
one need to shoot that thru an air rifle?

Red

Yeah, I'd like to see one of those. Does it require an air hose with a
heavy duty compressor?

Steve



They seem to be popular in countries such as Australia where everyone can't
just go buy a regular gun.

"Jim Elbrecht" wrote in message
...
On 25 Jun 2009 22:40:35 GMT, Jim Yanik wrote:

-snip-

http://www.airgunsbbguns.com/CAREER_...9mmultra1s.htm
77gr at 900fps. ~138 ft-lbs muzzle energy.
the bullet is lighter than a .380 auto(9x17 or 9mm short) bullet.

Sounds more like a deer rifle to me. The noise alone would
eliminate from contention for the OP.

A .177cal springer that shoots over 700fps will take care of rabbits
in a garden. [jackrabbits in the desert might be fun with the above
gun, though] And then the op is looking at $100, rather than $600.


Jim

I have a $20 Chinese .177 break-barrel air rifle that's accurate enough to
shoot rabbits. The sights fell apart but other than that it's OK. I just
put a cheap scope on it. They *said* it's 1000 fps but personally I think
it's probably closer to 700.